Re: Small slrn issue
Mike Yetto
> I use slrn and I am new to this (IMHO) very powerful newsreader. I currently
> use it from a terminal (in GNOME) but if I do it fullscreen it cuts off the
> equivelent of the bottom row in text from the screen. I cannot see if I am in
> insert mode or how many lines/rows of text I have entered. I thought about
> having slrn run from a TTY, maybe then I can get full screen correctly. However
> I entered the below two lines into my .bashrc file
>
Since you mentioned "insert mode" and "text I have entered" I
will assume you are having issues with the editor that slrn is
calling. Can you let us know what that is?
I am cross posting this to news.software.readers where you will
receive more help, and possibly some amusement from The
Heironymous and Dave Show currently playing there.
Mike "I'll let you set the follow-up as desired" Yetto
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In practice they are not.
MCR
> Bada bing MCR <m...@mcronline.doesnotexist.com> bada bang:
>> I use slrn and I am new to this (IMHO) very powerful newsreader. I currently
>> use it from a terminal (in GNOME) but if I do it fullscreen it cuts off the
>> equivelent of the bottom row in text from the screen. I cannot see if I am in
>> insert mode or how many lines/rows of text I have entered. I thought about
>> having slrn run from a TTY, maybe then I can get full screen correctly. However
>> I entered the below two lines into my .bashrc file
>>
>
> Since you mentioned "insert mode" and "text I have entered" I
> will assume you are having issues with the editor that slrn is
> calling. Can you let us know what that is?
Damn! Look i've been drinking ok!? I am using VIM.
> I am cross posting this to news.software.readers where you will
> receive more help, and possibly some amusement from The
> Heironymous and Dave Show currently playing there.
>
> Mike "I'll let you set the follow-up as desired" Yetto
I had a peek in there and that stupid ass troll that goes on about conspiracies
and GDE's is there.. god help me.
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Whiskers
On 2009-11-01, MCR <m...@mcronline.doesnotexist.com> wrote:
> On 2009-11-01, Mike Yetto <mye...@nycap.invalid> wrote:
>> Bada bing MCR <m...@mcronline.doesnotexist.com> bada bang:
>>> I use slrn and I am new to this (IMHO) very powerful newsreader. I
>>> currently use it from a terminal
Which one? There is one called "Terminal" (associated with XFce4). Xterm
is 'the famous one', then there's rxvt and a whole load or others. "Gnome
Terminal" might be a good guess in your case
<http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-terminal/stable/>
>>> (in GNOME) but if I do it fullscreen
>>> it cuts off the equivelent of the bottom row in text from the screen.
What is the "it" doing the cutting? Do you mean that the 'maximised'
window for the terminal emulator is below the edge of your visible
'desktop', or do you mean that the editor is behaving as though there are
more lines available than is actually true?
Has Gnome got a command or shortcut to set the 'height' of the current
window to match the height of the graphical display?
Have you actually got the graphical display software settings to match the
actual size of the hardware? (It is possible to have a 'virtual desktop'
that is bigger than your visible display, or the dimensions of the display
may be incorrectly set in the 'driver').
>>> I cannot see if I am in insert mode or how many lines/rows of text I
>>> have entered.
[...]
> Damn! Look i've been drinking ok!? I am using VIM.
[...]
Perhaps you have disabled Vim's 'interactive' line?
If you don't like Vim, there are many other text editors to try. I use
mcedit which comes as part of the mc ("Midnight Commander") text-mode file
manager; it isn't 'modal' like Vim, and may feel more normal. Use the
editor_command line in your ~/.slrnrc file to set which editor to use (the
slrn documentation tells you more <http://www.jedsoft.org/>).
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MCR
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> Which one? There is one called "Terminal" (associated with XFce4). Xterm
> is 'the famous one', then there's rxvt and a whole load or others. "Gnome
> Terminal" might be a good guess in your case
><http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-terminal/stable/>
Sorry, I should have been clear, I was posting to a Ubuntu group, so was
referring to the default GNOME terminal.
>>>> (in GNOME) but if I do it fullscreen
>>>> it cuts off the equivelent of the bottom row in text from the screen.
>
> What is the "it" doing the cutting? Do you mean that the 'maximised'
> window for the terminal emulator is below the edge of your visible
> 'desktop', or do you mean that the editor is behaving as though there are
> more lines available than is actually true?
I mean when I press F11 (Fullscreen) the lowest part of the terminal is below
the bottom of the physical screen. So I cannot see --Insert-- or an of the
info at the bottom.
> Has Gnome got a command or shortcut to set the 'height' of the current
> window to match the height of the graphical display?
F11 does this automatically with GNOME terminal I believe, the issue is probably
with that. This is my first go at slrn and the first time I have tried to make
a Terminal full screen (I use tty CTRL ALT + F1).
> Have you actually got the graphical display software settings to match the
> actual size of the hardware? (It is possible to have a 'virtual desktop'
> that is bigger than your visible display, or the dimensions of the display
> may be incorrectly set in the 'driver').
Yes I have. Dan C kindly gave me an solution to the problem I was having
anyway. Setting the environment variable for my newsserver in bash profile
enabled me to use slrn in tty1, so issue resolved. :-)
> Perhaps you have disabled Vim's 'interactive' line?
It works fine ty
> If you don't like Vim, there are many other text editors to try. I use
> mcedit which comes as part of the mc ("Midnight Commander") text-mode file
> manager; it isn't 'modal' like Vim, and may feel more normal. Use the
> editor_command line in your ~/.slrnrc file to set which editor to use (the
> slrn documentation tells you more <http://www.jedsoft.org/>).
>
I did look through and decided to use VIM instead of Jed (IIRC). I figured if I
am going to learn how to use something, I might as well learn how to do it
/properly/ and only once.
andrew
> slrn documentation tells you more <http://www.jedsoft.org/>.
Or perhaps: http://slrn.sourceforge.net/documentation.html :).
Andrew
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Whiskers
> On 2009-11-02, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>
>> slrn documentation tells you more <http://www.jedsoft.org/>.
>
> Or perhaps: http://slrn.sourceforge.net/documentation.html :).
>
> Andrew
I thought the link I gave might be interesting - and you can get to the
docs from there ;))
Whiskers
> On 2009-11-02, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
[...]
> I mean when I press F11 (Fullscreen) the lowest part of the terminal is below
> the bottom of the physical screen. So I cannot see --Insert-- or an of the
> info at the bottom.
>
>> Has Gnome got a command or shortcut to set the 'height' of the current
>> window to match the height of the graphical display?
>
> F11 does this automatically with GNOME terminal I believe, the issue is
> probably with that. This is my first go at slrn and the first time I
> have tried to make a Terminal full screen (I use tty CTRL ALT + F1).
[...]
Not a newsreader or editor problem as such, then; does F11 make other
windows fall off the bottom of the visible area? If so that suggests a
problem with Gnome, or a mismatch between the actual hardware dimensions
and the settings in your video driver or X. If only Gnome-terminal
windows are affected, it's a 'feature' of Gnome-terminal.
The benefit of using slrn in a terminal emulator is that you can use a
graphical browser to follow up web links; if you're in a TTY session
you're stuck with text-only web browsers etc (which is fine if you don't
want the clutter of 'graphics' in web pages, of course - I'm a fan of
Lynx).
Anyway, welcome to the slrn mafia; have fun :))
Indi
>
> Not a newsreader or editor problem as such, then; does F11 make other
> windows fall off the bottom of the visible area? If so that suggests a
> problem with Gnome, or a mismatch between the actual hardware dimensions
> and the settings in your video driver or X. If only Gnome-terminal
> windows are affected, it's a 'feature' of Gnome-terminal.
>
It's a gnome/gtk complaint I see often.
(Perhaps) unfortunately there is no "perfect" DE yet for X11 at this time.
Not that I care much, days go by without my opening any GUI apps
except opera -- ion3 with xfce4-terminal and Esetroot plus a
graphical browser gives me all the eyecandy I want and all the control
I need. But it's a common excuse for people to stick with windows.
> The benefit of using slrn in a terminal emulator is that you can use a
> graphical browser to follow up web links; if you're in a TTY session
> you're stuck with text-only web browsers etc (which is fine if you don't
> want the clutter of 'graphics' in web pages, of course - I'm a fan of
> Lynx).
>
You can always Fn between ttys and X11.
> Anyway, welcome to the slrn mafia; have fun :))
>
Ditto.
:)
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indi
Whiskers
> On 2009-11-02, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not a newsreader or editor problem as such, then; does F11 make other
>> windows fall off the bottom of the visible area? If so that suggests a
>> problem with Gnome, or a mismatch between the actual hardware dimensions
>> and the settings in your video driver or X. If only Gnome-terminal
>> windows are affected, it's a 'feature' of Gnome-terminal.
>>
>
> It's a gnome/gtk complaint I see often.
> (Perhaps) unfortunately there is no "perfect" DE yet for X11 at this time.
> Not that I care much, days go by without my opening any GUI apps
> except opera -- ion3 with xfce4-terminal and Esetroot plus a
> graphical browser gives me all the eyecandy I want and all the control
> I need. But it's a common excuse for people to stick with windows.
[...]
I'm not that radical - I use XFce4 as WM and DE and have several graphical
programs I like - not least 'KPatience' :))
Indi
I'm not radical, just impatient -- over the years there've been a
number of short-lived "migrations" to various DEs (kde, xfce, gnome,
E17, etc) but there's always some naggy little problem I just don't
have the patience for and inevitable I ending thinking "screw this
automagic crap" and go back to what I use now. It isn't perfect, but
it's simple enough to modify to my needs, mostly stays out of my way,
and allows me to work as fast my mind and fingers can move. And it
doesn't hurt that ion3 doesn't have a thousand developers pulling it
in 20 different directions and breaking essential things twice a year.
Lately I've been considering forking it actually, as the original
developer has become difficult to the point that ion3 is no longer in
FreeBSD ports and maybe my few humble mods would be appreciated by the
other two or so people that actually use it (if they still do).
Kpatience sounds to me like the game they make you play in hell, but
to each his own. :)
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Hieronymus S. Freely
> Bada bing MCR <m...@mcronline.doesnotexist.com> bada bang:
>> I use slrn and I am new to this (IMHO) very powerful newsreader. I currently
>> use it from a terminal (in GNOME) but if I do it fullscreen it cuts off the
>> equivelent of the bottom row in text from the screen. I cannot see if I am in
>> insert mode or how many lines/rows of text I have entered. I thought about
>> having slrn run from a TTY, maybe then I can get full screen correctly. However
>> I entered the below two lines into my .bashrc file
>
> Since you mentioned "insert mode" and "text I have entered" I
> will assume you are having issues with the editor that slrn is
> calling. Can you let us know what that is?
>
Error: wrong target.
Hieronymus S. Freely
> On 2009-11-01, Mike Yetto <mye...@nycap.invalid> wrote:
>
> I had a peek in there and [insult]
Error: wrong target.
Mike Yetto
>> receive more help, and possibly some amusement from The
>> Heironymous and Dave Show currently playing there.
>
Not only are you an ignorant troll you're also a grepping loon.
Mike "probably some kind of greb as well" Yetto
Hieronymus S. Freely
> [misquote]
Error: dishonest quoting.
>> Error: wrong target.
>
> Not only are you an [insult] you're also a [insult]
>
> Mike "[insult]" Yetto
Error: wrong target.
Mike Yetto
Dave, Dave, Dave, why is it that only you can change quotes and
call them honest, while everyone else leaves them as is only to
be labeled dishonest?
Mike "is there a dictionary in that library?" Yetto
Hieronymus S. Freely
> Bada bing Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfr...@xavier.uwsc.edu> bada bang:
>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>> [misquote]
>> Error: dishonest quoting.
>>
>>>> Error: wrong target.
>>> Not only are you an [insult] you're also a [insult]
>>>
>>> Mike "[insult]" Yetto
>> Error: wrong target.
>
Why are you talking to Dave in a followup to one of my posts, and after
Dave has apparently abandoned this newsgroup?
Mike Yetto
But you haven't abandoned this newsgroup. You abandoned civility
quite a while ago, however.
You really shouldn't edit other poster's replies. Snipping them
altogether is acceptable if you are not responding to that
part of the thread. What you are doing is dishonest and
extremely childish. You have shown yourself to be a
self-deluding fool.
Let me save you the trouble.
Mike "Error: use of facts ignored" Yetto
Hieronymus S. Freely
> Bada bing Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfr...@xavier.uwsc.edu> bada bang:
>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>> Bada bing Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfr...@xavier.uwsc.edu> bada bang:
>>>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>>>> Not only are you an [insult] you're also a [insult]
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike "[insult]" Yetto
>>>> Error: wrong target.
>>> Dave, Dave, Dave, why is it that only you [rest deleted]
>> Why are you talking to Dave in a followup to one of my posts, and after
>> Dave has apparently abandoned this newsgroup?
>
> But you haven't abandoned this newsgroup.
I don't see how that's relevant. I may not have, but Dave apparently
has, and Dave is the one to whom you addressed your previous message.
> You [insult].
Error: wrong target.
> You really shouldn't [accusation].
Error: wrong target.
> [Noise]. What you are doing is [insult] and [insult].
Error: wrong target.
> You have shown yourself to be a [insult]ing [insult].
Error: wrong target.
> [Insult].
Error: wrong target.
Mike Yetto
bang:
> Mike Yetto wrote:
>> Bada bing Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfr...@xavier.uwsc.edu> bada
>> bang:
>>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>>> Bada bing Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfr...@xavier.uwsc.edu>
>>>> bada bang:
>>>>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>>>>> Not only are you an [insult] you're also a [insult]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike "[insult]" Yetto
>>>>> Error: wrong target.
>>>> Dave, Dave, Dave, why is it that only you [rest deleted]
>>> Why are you talking to Dave in a followup to one of my posts,
>>> and after Dave has apparently abandoned this newsgroup?
>>
>> civility quite a while ago, however.
>>
>> You really shouldn't edit other poster's replies. Snipping
>> them altogether is acceptable if you are not responding to
>> extremely childish. You have shown yourself to be a
>> self-deluding fool.
You really didn't need to edit all of that just to say it was the
wrong target. I already took care of that for you.
Mike "and you are childish, dishonest Dave" Yetto
Hieronymus S. Freely
> Bada bing Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfr...@xavier.uwsc.edu> bada
> bang:
>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>> Bada bing Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfr...@xavier.uwsc.edu> bada
>>> bang:
>>>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>>>> Bada bing Hieronymus S. Freely <hsfr...@xavier.uwsc.edu>
>>>>> bada bang:
>>>>>> Mike Yetto wrote:
>>>>>>> Not only are you an [insult] you're also a [insult]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike "[insult]" Yetto
>>>>>> Error: wrong target.
>>>>> Dave, Dave, Dave, why is it that only you [rest deleted]
>>>> Why are you talking to Dave in a followup to one of my posts,
>>>> and after Dave has apparently abandoned this newsgroup?
>>> But you haven't abandoned this newsgroup.
I don't see how that's relevant. I may not have, but Dave apparently
has, and Dave is the one to whom you addressed your previous message.
> [misquote]
Error: dishonest quoting.
Robert Larted
Nice troll, *and* you haven't accidentally appended your signature and
blown it yet.
Hieronymus S. Freely
>> Error: wrong target.
>
> [insult]
Error: wrong target.
Hieronymus S. Freely
> Robert Larted <fr...@spamexpire-200911.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
> wrote:
>>> Error: wrong target.
>> [insult]
Error: wrong target.