Mr. Koobee Wublee, who's Mr. Metcalfe ?
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Mr. Koobee Wublee, who's Mr. Metcalfe ?
···················
Re:
www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_%40Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
To post hand·crafted <img> tags (HTML), as I do (above),
you need a news·client that can post HTML·Only
and a news·server that allows it.
My server ( newsRead.Glorb.COM:80 ) is un·filtered;
it allows HTML·Only posts.
As far as I know, my hand·crafted news·client (X.ZIP)
is the only one that can produce HTML·Only posts.
By “HTML·Only”, I mean: “ Content-Type: Text/HTML ”
not: “ Content-Type: multipart/alternative ”.
Indi
>
> Does having a short-term memory loss hurt??
>
I hear he has a little pain from that sometimes, but quickly
forgets about it. :P
--
indi
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Re:
www.Google.COM/groups?selm=4c859lBA$45447F.38ZNNNE%40relfsabonehead.za
news:4c859lBA$45447F....@relfsabonehead.za
telnet isn't an NNTP client, copy&paste isn't hand·crafted HTML.
The post (above) was just you (Robb)
using telnet to copy&paste your e·Bay ad:
Motors --> Parts & Accessories --> Car & Truck Parts -->
Air Conditioning and Heat --> Blower Motors -->
92 ISUZU RODEO V6 ECU COMPUTER # 1228838 OEM
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
This is Usenet, zombie·land, every night is Halloween.
X.EXE was built by·and·for me, no one else.
You can't post HTML·Only via Google·Groups nor Windows Live Mail.
As far as I know, ThunderBird won't do it either.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Re:
www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_%40Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
You (Moroney) think I'd have to pay someone to make such a post;
if true, that tells me something right there... no one will do it.
Mr. Koobee Wublee (and others) have asked me how I do it.
I know of no mainstream client (and no cost·free server) that can do it;
so I asked (and re·asked) the “experts” at:
Alt.Free.Newsservers, News.Software.Readers
Robb (Shared·Secret's admin) was the only one who could do it;
however the client he used ("telnet", copy&paste) isn't mainstream and
his server isn't cost·free (worse, he won't let you post HTML·Only).
Frank Slootweg
[...]
> I know of no mainstream client (and no cost�free server) that can do it;
>
> Alt.Free.Newsservers, News.Software.Readers
>
> Robb (Shared�Secret's admin) was the only one who could do it;
> however the client he used ("telnet", copy&paste) isn't mainstream and
> his server isn't cost�free (worse, he won't let you post HTML�Only).
Misrepresenting the facts will not bring you anything. I *repeatedly*
*said* I can do it, but I said I want to know *why* you want this test.
You have failed to answer.
Now you come up with all kind of new stuff like "mainstream" (*Why*
does it need to be "mainstream"?) and "cost-free" (*Why* does it have to
be "cost-free"?).
So put up or shut up.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Re:
www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_%40Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
Put on your reading glasses Frank, I said
people are asking me how to make a post like that (above).
I'd like to answer, but I can't give them an easy solution.
Pay servers with proud (non·anonyomus) admin/owners can do it.
X.EXE and “telnet” will do it.
Google Groups and Windows Live Mail will ·NOT· do it.
As far as I know, ThunderBird won't do it.
You claim tin will do it, but I don't believe you;
besides, tin isn't a main·stream client.
Gregory Hall
news:mn6pe5t7lpbes3koi...@shared-secrets.com...
<snip>
>
> Explain please, what more needs to be given in order for the account to be
> "cost
> free", Jeff.
<snip>
Perhaps a little less lip from a know-it-all admin? Reading your crap costs
his valuable time.
--
Gregory Hall
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Like any pathological liar, Robb is ashamed/anonymous/un·trustworthy.
Gregory Hall
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct31.1.57pm.jM...
>
> Like any pathological liar, Robb is ashamed/anonymous/un�trustworthy.
He sounds like a Ray Banana clone.
--
Gregory Hall
One should view free news servers as one would view
a carnival sideshow. Like a carnival sideshow, free
servers arrive in town every so often and there's
always some grifter hawking suspect wares and swindling
gullible people, if not out of their money then their
time. The carnival geek represents the free news server
administrator. The fat lady represents the size of his
ego. The clown represents the usual, laughable TOS.
The sword swallower is tantamount to what happens to a
subscriber at the other end of the alimentary canal.
Like the toss the ring at the Coke bottle game, free
news servers are rigged against the user and are
a cheat and a swindle.
Frank Slootweg
>
> Re:
> www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_%40Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
> news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
>
> Put on your reading glasses Frank, I said
> people are asking me how to make a post like that (above).
Yes, *now* *you* said that. You never said it before and I have yet to
see a request from a user. (And no, I'm not going to chase your
references. Get the user here, (fully) quote hir, <whatever>, but cut
the crap.)
> I'd like to answer, but I can't give them an easy solution.
> Pay servers with proud (non�anonyomus) admin/owners can do it.
Then *why* did you ask for a test from News.Individual.NET?
> X.EXE and ?telnet? will do it.
>
> Google Groups and Windows Live Mail will �NOT� do it.
Correct and probably correct.
> As far as I know, ThunderBird won't do it.
I think it can. As I said, tin *can* do it. Think about what tin is
*not* and what tin does *not* include, then you might figure out how to
do it in other clients.
> You claim tin will do it, but I don't believe you;
I'm crushed! Jeff doesn't believe me! How will I *ever* recover!?
But never mind all that. You may (not) want to check my headers and
may (not) want to check my footnote and start eating that egg off your
face. (And before you start to whine about it: Yes, the "X-" additions
are *intentional*, and the (non) HTML is *intentionally* at the bottom.)
> besides, tin isn't a main�stream client.
Again, *why* does it have to be a "mainstream" client and *why* does
it have to be a "cost-free" server?
Enjoy your meal!
[1]
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2>I hope you like egg,=20
Jeff!</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> gave it no where near enough thought and
then wrote:
>
> Re:
> www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_%40Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
> news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
>
> You (Moroney) think I'd have to pay someone to make such a post;
> if true, that tells me something right there... no one will do it.
Sadly, what remains of your brain has jumped to the *wrong* conclusion
here.
That tells the rest of the world a lot more than you think.
> Mr. Koobee Wublee (and others) have asked me how I do it.
>
> I know of no mainstream client (and no cost·free server) that can do it;
> so I asked (and re·asked) the “experts” at:
>
> Alt.Free.Newsservers, News.Software.Readers
>
> Robb (Shared·Secret's admin) was the only one who could do it;
> however the client he used ("telnet", copy&paste) isn't mainstream and
> his server isn't cost·free (worse, he won't let you post HTML·Only).
Telnet is a lot more mainstream than your thing of a usenet client.
--
Aleph
This message was posted to usenet so please reply that way. Emails to
this account are very likely to be ignored.
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> gave it no where near enough thought and
then wrote:
>
> Like any pathological liar, Robb is ashamed/anonymous/un·trustworthy.
You know, on reading this I laughed so hard, I think I pee'd a little.
Whiskers
On 2009-10-31, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> wrote:
>
Why don't you install Tin and Thunderbird for yourself and find out?
They're both 'free'.
('Mainstream' is not synonymous with 'popular' or 'widespread').
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid> gave it no where near enough thought and
then wrote:
>
> Re:
> www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_%40Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
> news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
>
> Put on your reading glasses Frank, I said
> people are asking me how to make a post like that (above).
The voices in your head are not people.
If they are asking, then consider replying in the medium they ask rather
than polluting various newsgroups with your drivell.
> I'd like to answer, but I can't give them an easy solution.
Wonder why.....
> Pay servers with proud (non·anonyomus) admin/owners can do it.
ROTFLMAO (again)
> X.EXE and “telnet” will do it.
>
> Google Groups and Windows Live Mail will ·NOT· do it.
> As far as I know, ThunderBird won't do it.
>
> You claim tin will do it, but I don't believe you;
> besides, tin isn't a main·stream client.
And your garbage X.EXE is?
eric gisse
[...]
Small wonder Relf is still saying stupid shit.
Peter Huebner
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inKansas says...
Now seriously, if I see a thread incoming with a subject header starting
like this:
Re:  Pay servers with proud (non .......
Do I want to read that? Nothing against i with two dots or A with a
caret, but they don't belong into an English sentence. Nor does randomly
generated punctuation.
Does it look like gabble-dee-kook? (yes, I can spell 'gobbledegook').
Does it make me wonder if the author wears a pyramid shaped aluminium
foil head to bed?
(or else: is he Korean? (insert Sokwoo Lee reference:
http://everything2.com/title/You%2527re+all+fuckin+big+mouse for the un-
initiated)).
Well, it annoys me at least, purely visually, and most likely I won't
bother to read the thread. In fact, I may even add a rule to suppress
every thread started by same author in future if I see too much of it.
Just saying ....
-P.
Michael Moroney
>if true, that tells me something right there... no one will do it.
It should tell you that nobody is willing to be a bad "netizen", at least
for free.
>Mr. Koobee Wublee (and others) have asked me how I do it.
So just tell him.
>I know of no mainstream client (and no costfree server) that can do it;
>so I asked (and reasked) the experts at:
Why ask anyone? Obviously you already know how.
>Robb (SharedSecret's admin) was the only one who could do it;
Once again, you confuse "could" with "would". I "can" do it (and without
resorting to telnet), but I think enough of Usenet that I "will" not.
The Peeler
LOL! Really well put!
I admit I wasn't fully aware that I got the perfect sig for some of the
notoriously bigmouthed "admins" here.
--
Too full of themselves, no room for a brain
Frank Slootweg
> _@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid wrote:
> >
> > Re:
> > www.Google.COM/groups?selm=_%40Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
> > news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct30.0.46am.Dy
> >
> > Put on your reading glasses Frank, I said
> > people are asking me how to make a post like that (above).
>
> Yes, *now* *you* said that. You never said it before and I have yet to
> see a request from a user. (And no, I'm not going to chase your
> references. Get the user here, (fully) quote hir, <whatever>, but cut
> the crap.)
>
> > I'd like to answer, but I can't give them an easy solution.
> > Pay servers with proud (non�anonyomus) admin/owners can do it.
>
> Then *why* did you ask for a test from News.Individual.NET?
<deafening silence>
> > X.EXE and ?telnet? will do it.
> >
> > Google Groups and Windows Live Mail will �NOT� do it.
>
> Correct and probably correct.
>
> > As far as I know, ThunderBird won't do it.
>
> I think it can. As I said, tin *can* do it. Think about what tin is
> *not* and what tin does *not* include, then you might figure out how to
> do it in other clients.
<deafening silence>
> > You claim tin will do it, but I don't believe you;
>
> I'm crushed! Jeff doesn't believe me! How will I *ever* recover!?
>
> But never mind all that. You may (not) want to check my headers and
> may (not) want to check my footnote and start eating that egg off your
> face. (And before you start to whine about it: Yes, the "X-" additions
> are *intentional*, and the (non) HTML is *intentionally* at the bottom.)
<deafening silence>
> > besides, tin isn't a main�stream client.
>
> Again, *why* does it have to be a "mainstream" client and *why* does
> it have to be a "cost-free" server?
<deafening silence>
> Enjoy your meal!
<burp!>
kristlebawl
> Yesterday, I wrote:
>> _@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid wrote:
>>> I'd like to answer, but I can't give them an easy solution.
>>> Pay servers with proud (non�anonyomus) admin/owners can do it.
>> Then *why* did you ask for a test from News.Individual.NET?
>
> <deafening silence>
>
>> I think it can. As I said, tin *can* do it. Think about what tin is
>> *not* and what tin does *not* include, then you might figure out how to
>> do it in other clients.
>
> <deafening silence>
>
>>> You claim tin will do it, but I don't believe you;
>> I'm crushed! Jeff doesn't believe me! How will I *ever* recover!?
>>
>> But never mind all that. You may (not) want to check my headers and
>> may (not) want to check my footnote and start eating that egg off your
>> face. (And before you start to whine about it: Yes, the "X-" additions
>> are *intentional*, and the (non) HTML is *intentionally* at the bottom.)
>
> <deafening silence>
>
>>> besides, tin isn't a main�stream client.
>> Again, *why* does it have to be a "mainstream" client and *why* does
>> it have to be a "cost-free" server?
>
> <deafening silence>
What? I can't hear you over this deafening silence! :-D
whosbest54
--ro...@shared-secrets.com says...
>This newserver has many, many, totally free accounts, including YOURS.
>We require no CC's, place no tag-ad's, nothing is required of the users.
>Nada.
>
Thanks so much for this Robb.
>>(worse, he won't let you post HTML�Only).
>
>That's true. HTML, fed to other servers could adversely impact them, so, in
>the spirit of a Usenet interoperability principal known as, "running code,
>by consensus", HTML posts are disallowed. The person who configured the post
>via User-Agent: CRAP.ZIP, has suffered a fitting admonishment..along the
lines
>of; "don't do that".
>
I concur 100% with this practice. If someone wants a usenet reader to see
html, they can post their content to a web site and provide a link to it in
an article.
whosbest54 (another satisfied customer)
--
The flamewars are over...if you want it.
Unofficial rec.audio.opinion Usenet Group Brief User Guide:
http://whosbest54.netau.net/rao.htm
Unofficial rec.music.beatles Usenet Group Brief User Guide:
http://whosbest54.netau.net/rmb.html
Gregory Hall
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Oct31.0.48pm.ng...
I tried but I can't do it. My buggy software has the option to override
stock header settings (even has a check box that states "Override Default
Settings" but when I override them in the settings it just seems to ignore
the override and it continues to use the stock settings. Pictures do display
in Windows Mails in spite of this but they will NOT display in Google
Groups. It just shows the HTML and link to the picture. This is because no
matter what I do to try to override the stock settings they just won't be
overridden no matter what I add in the headers options fields.
--
Gregory Hall
Frank Slootweg
--<space>
Gregory Hall
Frank Slootweg
<DIV>Well, as this post shows, it IS possible, WITH Windows Mail, but =
NOT with=20
News.Individual.NET!</DIV>
FWIW, this is the rejection error from News.Individual.NET;
> rejected article (sci.physics,alt.free.newsservers,new s.software.readers)
> Result: 441 437 HTML post
So News.Individual.NET does not allow one to post HTML articles, at
least not HTML-only ones.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Thank you ( Frank ) for posting:
“ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" ”.
And thanks for letting me know that
News.Individual.NET wouldn't allow it.
However, your HTML was auto·generated, not hand·crafted.
Can Windows (Live) Mail post hand·crafted HTML ?
i.e. just an <img> tag, nothing more.
Frank Slootweg
>
> Thank you ( Frank ) for posting:
You're 'welcome'.
> However, your HTML was auto�generated, not hand�crafted.
>
> Can Windows (Live) Mail post hand�crafted HTML ?
> i.e. just an <img> tag, nothing more.
I think it can. In a HTML composition window, you have Edit, Source
and Preview buttons. If I reply to your post and hit Source, I can edit
the HTML source.
But as I said before, you should describe in more detail *what* you
*exactly* want, and *why* you want it. Without that kind of information,
people can't or/and won't help you.
For example, you ask "Can Windows Mail post handcrafted HTML?" and the
answer to *that* question is "yes".
But if the question would (also) be "Can Windows *Mail* *compose*
HTML-*only* articles?" (emphasis mine), then my answer would be, "I
don't know.", because *I* don't know how to *compose* HTML-*only*
articles with Windows *Mail*. (I *composed* my article
mixedpart/alternative with Windows *Mail*, I *made* it HTML-*only* with
*Windows* (not Windows *Mail*), and I *posted* it with Windows *Mail*.)
See how important the *exact* what and why are?
So no more beating around the bush.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Will Windows Live Mail post just an <img> tag, nothing more ?
( I mean a working <img> tag, HTML, of course )
What, exactly, did you ( Frank ) do to make your post HTML-Only
( “ Content-Type: Text/HTML ” ) and
how did you get Windows Mail to accept it ?
Frank Slootweg
>
> Will Windows Live Mail post just an <img> tag, nothing more ?
> ( I mean a working <img> tag, HTML, of course )
Just post the (*exact*) source of the HTML code you want me to post,
and I'll try.
I'm not an HTML-type and don't know and don't want to know how to
create "just a working <img> tag, nothing more".
And BTW, I'm using Windows Mail, not Windows Live Mail.
> What, exactly, did you ( Frank ) do to make your post HTML-Only
> ( ? Content-Type: Text/HTML ? ) and
> how did you get Windows Mail to accept it ?
I edited the (multipart/alternative) message in the Outbox, put it
back in the Outbox and did a Tools -> Send and Receive -> Send All.
Elementary, dear Watson! :-)
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Frank, the body of the HTML message should have just 2 lines, no more;
you can use these 2 lines ( hand-crafted ):
<img src="http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Eric Gisse 2009 in FairBanks Alaska.jpg"
alt="Eric Gisse 2009 in FairBanks Alaska">
It can't be done with Windows Live Mail because
“ Content-Type: Text/HTML ” becomes
“ Content-Type: multipart/alternative ”.
I haven't checked ThunderBird·3, xNews can do it.
Anonymous
http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us:80/offender/flyer.do?personId=35467
Gregory Hall aka Wilbur Hubbard aka Neal Warren is Cecil Warren, a convicted rapist:
He's a RAPIST AND A COWARD!
How to make the grief stop??
I'll tell you how... drop dead! Or, if you're unwilling to do that, never post to Usenet again.
I can't stop you from trolling for rape victims, but I can make your life miserable here by reminding everyone in EVERY newsgroup you frequent EXACTLY who you are.
And, if you think that law enforcement isn't looking for you, since you've violating the terms of your release, keep thinking that!!
RAPIST NOTICE:
Gregory Hall aka Cecil Warren aka Neal Warren (Capt. Neal)
Designation: Sexual Offender
Name: CECIL WARREN
Status: Released - Required to Register
Department of Corrections #: Not Available
Date of Birth: 03/24/1943
Race : White
Sex: Male
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 147 lbs
Binghamton, NY 13905-1829
Broome COUNTY
Frank Slootweg
Frank Slootweg
> <img src=3D"http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Eric Gisse 2009 in FairBanks Alaska.jpg"
> alt=3D"Eric Gisse 2009 in FairBanks Alaska">
Sorry about that, wrong edit (probably out of habit). I'll try again.
Frank Slootweg
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
I see you ( Frank ) did it ( via Windows Mail and Home.NL ):
http://google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/msg/2e038794fb789e99
Very interesting but I have only Windows Live Mail,
and it can't do it. The thing is...
earlier versions of Outlook Express ( before Windows Live Mail )
can't “>quote” lines from a Google Groups post... so they're crap.
Amazingly, most·everyone REFUSES to upgrade ! !
and no one will paraphrase or use “”quote-marks (as I do), of course.
Frank Slootweg
>
> Frank, the body of the HTML message should have just 2 lines, no more;
> you can use these 2 lines ( hand-crafted ):
>
> <img src="http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Eric Gisse 2009 in FairBanks Alaska.jpg"
> alt="Eric Gisse 2009 in FairBanks Alaska">
Done (see second attempt). Looks OK to me, both in Windows Mail and in
tin (which just says it's there, but doesn't display it, because I
haven't told it to do so).
> It can't be done with Windows Live Mail because
> ? Content-Type: Text/HTML ? becomes
> ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative ?.
That also happens in Windows Mail. That's why you have to edit the
copy of the message in the *Outbox*, not in the Drafts folder. Also you
have to do the edit with something *other* than Windows (Live) Mail,
because if W(L)M sees a HTML-only message, it will try to convert it to
multipart/alternative (with a text/plain and text/html part). Why?
Because that's the sane/decent thing to do.
> I haven't checked ThunderBird�3, xNews can do it.
I'm sure ThunderBird can do things in a similar manner. If it can use
an (external?) editor, which can edit (i.e. add/delete/change)
*headers*, then the process becomes a little simpler.
BTW, apparently News.Individual.NET does *propagate* HTML-only
articles. NIN is my main feed and I can see/display my HTML-only article
just fine.
So NIN does not allow to *post* an HTML-only article *to* NIN, but
HTML-only articles propagate *to*/*through* NIN and hence can be *read*
*from* NIN (and other servers).
BTW2, you owe me 30 Euro cents from the mobile (GPRS/HSDPA) modem
traffic used for my test! :-)
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
I don't recall if I used Live·Mail's out·box or not,
perhaps I'll try it again ( not today ).
I saw your ( Frank's ) HTML post:
http://google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/msg/2e038794fb789e99
Individual.NET has your HTML post but won't let you post it, got it.
Instead of spending 30 Euro cents to post via your cell·phone,
you could signup with “ www.Glorb.COM/usenet.php ” ( 10 dollars/YEAR ).
The un·filtered server is “ newsRead.Glorb.COM:80 ”. Glorb rocks !
No cost·free server can do it ( thank you very much Junior @TIOAT.NET ).
Junior is untra·worried about how <img> tags reveal IP·Addresses.
He's all about anonymity.
Frank Slootweg
> Jeff Relf wrote:
>
> >Individual.NET has your HTML post but won't let you post it, got it.
>
> the post was filtered ON their server, but it was not removed from the
> newsfeed.
I don't know who you mean with "He", but I assume you mean me. If so,
I said that NIN *does* have my (HTML-only) post on their server. These
are the (relevant) headers of my copy:
> Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!multikabel.net!newsfeed20.multikabel.net!post1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl!cache4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl!not-for-mail
> From: "Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid>
> Newsgroups: alt.free.newsservers,news.software.readers
> References: <39bq4f....@news.alt.net> <1ec9d$4afb27f8$5351cc6c$13...@cache4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl> <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov11.1.37pm.8G> <7m0tgvF...@mid.individual.net> <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov11.3.18pm.zo> <7m22p5F...@mid.individual.net> <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov12.2.28am.3P>
> Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_=EF=BB=BF_hand-crafted_HTML?=
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:31:48 +0100
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/html;
> charset="UTF-8"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049
> Message-ID: <8c589$4afd4466$4d3e8fb4$22...@cache4.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>
> X-Complaints-To: abuse.h...@prolocation.net
I.e. I *posted* the article to (actually via) ...nb.home.nl, but it's
(also) *available* on NIN ('uni-berlin.de') [1].
[1] I actually use News.Individual.DE, not .NET, but that should make no
difference.
Frank Slootweg
[...]
$DRIFT ON
> Instead of spending 30 Euro cents to post via your cell�phone,
> you could signup with ? www.Glorb.COM/usenet.php ? ( 10 dollars/YEAR ).
> The un�filtered server is ? newsRead.Glorb.COM:80 ?. Glorb rocks !
The mobile connection was my *ISP* at that (and this moment), not my
*NSP*. My NSPs are Ziggo (which is also my regular (stationary) broadband
ISP) and NIN. I posted my HTML-only test to news.ziggo.nl.
The mobile network operators in our country are rather peculiar, they
actually want *money* for their services! Figure that!?
But don't worry, 'your' data cost still fitted in my monthly data
bundle, so it was 'free of charge'.
$DRIFT OFF
[...]
Frank Slootweg
> Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > <img src="http://jeffrelf.f-m.fm/Eric Gisse 2009 in FairBanks Alaska.jpg"
>
> Is that meant to be clickable? It does nothing at all in MacSOUP.
What the *real* purpose is, is only known to our friend Jeff, who
ignores any questions as to why. (And, until now, most of the how
questions.)
But what it should 'do' is: Your newsreader should render the HTML
*if* you have (explicitly or implicitly) told it to do so, and it should
show the picture *if* you have told it (explicitly or implicitly) to do
so.
The test was a test with Windows Mail (Vista's Outlook Express
replacement. WM will render the html by default, but is smart enough to
NOT load/display the *external* content (i.e. in this case the .jpg) by
default. (Outlook Express has the same behaviour and I assume that
(Vista/Windows 7) Windows Live Mail has the same behaviour as well.
I.e. this particular piece of HTML-only code is rather innocent.
FWIW, my (normal) newsreader, tin, just displays this single
information line:
> [-- text/html, encoding quoted-printable, charset: UTF-8, 3 lines --]
I.e. tin says *what* there is, but does not render or display it. It
can display (not render) the HTML with a keypress (^H).
Aleph
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov11.1.37pm.8G, _ wrote:
>
A Relf-goalpost move.
Basically, you are trying to start a pissing competition - not only about
the pointless drive to post HTML crap to USENET, but you want it to be
invalid HTML.
You really are quite strange.
--
Aleph
This message was posted to usenet so please reply that way. Emails to
this account are very likely to be ignored.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Speaking hand-crafted HTML, you ( Frank ) told Snipe:
“ What the *real* purpose is, is only known to our friend Jeff,
who ignores any questions as to why. ”.
Google·Groups is a web·site, why auto·load images on a web·page ?
I like images, at times, so I add them to my posts, e.g.:
http://google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/msg/27811c3f8d6a6c79
People Googling their handles find this post ( URL, above ) and,
because of the <img> tag, I have a recorded of it... good times.
About 4 weeks from now, a Google·Images search for TIOAT.NET
will show the image. ( Yes, Google·Images often lags by weeks )
kristlebawl
Either you have a hidden agenda or ulterior motive, or you're really
just a punk with way too much free time on your hands. Get a dog.
--
KristleBawl :-D
Frank Slootweg
>
> Speaking hand-crafted HTML, you ( Frank ) told Snipe:
> who ignores any questions as to why. ?.
>
> Google�Groups is a web�site, why auto�load images on a web�page ?
> I like images, at times, so I add them to my posts, e.g.:
> http://google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/msg/27811c3f8d6a6c79
>
> People Googling their handles find this post ( URL, above ) and,
> because of the <img> tag, I have a recorded of it... good times.
>
> About 4 weeks from now, a Google�Images search for TIOAT.NET
> will show the image. ( Yes, Google�Images often lags by weeks )
All of which does not explain the 'need' for HTML-*only*, other than
the 'need' to be a jerk, that is.
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov14.6.42am.Q8>, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid sat
down and wrote:
>
> People Googling their handles find this post ( URL, above ) and,
> because of the <img> tag, I have a recorded of it... good times.
>
Relf's usenet stalking continues....
Aleph
<_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov13.4.41am.Bw>, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid sat
down and wrote:
> No cost·free server can do it ( thank you very much Junior @TIOAT.NET ).
> Junior is untra·worried about how <img> tags reveal IP·Addresses.
> He's all about anonymity.
So would you be if you had anything resembling a life to care about.
Frank Slootweg
> On Saturday 14 November 2009 14:40, in
> <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov14.6.42am.Q8>, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid sat
> down and wrote:
>
> >
> > People Googling their handles find this post ( URL, above ) and,
> > because of the <img> tag, I have a recorded of it... good times.
>
> Relf's usenet stalking continues....
Don't worry! His stalking only works for Google Groupers which *also*
Google their "handles" [1]. Google Group[er]s is not "Usenet".
[1] They don't actually Google their 'handles', but let's not make Jeff
any less misinformed than he is.
Gregory Hall
news:7mdr8sF...@mid.individual.net...
I think you lack understanding concerning this, Frank.
The discussion alludes to the fact that when Jeff includes a link to a photo
of his which is hosted on Fast Mail he is able to examine the logs to see IP
numbers from those who accessed the photo.
And, Robb, who seems to often identify with the Usenet dolts, seems to think
this is unethical behavior. Duh! I don't get it. Anybody using a decent
Usenet client can set it to not display pictures unless approved by the
client master if they are intimidated by Jeff.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
news:3rk3g5p22314ionmf...@shared-secrets.com...
> Gregory Hall wrote:
>
>>"Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:7mdr8sF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> Aleph <Usene...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday 14 November 2009 14:40, in
>>>> <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov14.6.42am.Q8>, _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
>>>> sat
>>>> down and wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > People Googling their handles find this post ( URL, above ) and,
>>>> > because of the <img> tag, I have a recorded of it... good times.
>>>>
>>>> Relf's usenet stalking continues....
>>>
>>> Don't worry! His stalking only works for Google Groupers which *also*
>>> Google their "handles" [1]. Google Group[er]s is not "Usenet".
>>>
>>> [1] They don't actually Google their 'handles', but let's not make Jeff
>>> any less misinformed than he is.
>>
>>
>>
>>I think you lack understanding concerning this, Frank.
>>
>>The discussion alludes to the fact that when Jeff includes a link to a
>>photo
>>of his which is hosted on Fast Mail he is able to examine the logs to see
>>IP
>>numbers from those who accessed the photo.
>>
>>And, Robb, who seems to often identify with the Usenet dolts, seems to
>>think
>>this is unethical behavior.
>
> that
> its almost isolated to google, he can't post his crap through *most*
> newservers.
>
>>Duh! I don't get it. Anybody using a decent
>>Usenet client can set it to not display pictures unless approved by the
>>client master if they are intimidated by Jeff.
>
> interface,
> someone opening an article on google lets in a string of *other* articles,
> as
> it happens, they don't have any foreknowledge they may be getting a
> Jeff-server
> supplied object in their browser.
>
> It's just another google shortcoming - by allowing the src= tag from
> posters
> their interface presents a security vulnerability, and Jeff takes
> advantage of
> it.
>
>
> --
> Robb | Shared Secrets Usenet
Let the buyer beware. If people are stupid enough to use Google Groups to
post to and read newsgroups then they deserve to have their stupidity used
against them.
That's the way of the world . . .
What Jeff really needs to do is get an alt.net account where html can be
propagated independent of Google Groups. Not all NSP admins continue to live
in the Usenet Dark Ages, Robb. Not all of them think baby sitting is a noble
occupation.
--
Gregory Hall
Frank Slootweg
[...]
> What Jeff really needs to do is get an alt.net account where html can
> be propagated independent of Google Groups. Not all NSP admins
> continue to live in the Usenet Dark Ages
And exactly *why* can't *Jeff* use Google Groups if he 'needs' to post
HTML?
> Not all NSP admins continue to live in the Usenet Dark Ages
Non sequitur. It has *nothing* to do with News *admins*, but
everything with accepted *policy/practice/<whatever>*, which *includes*
hierarchies/groups were HTML *is* accepted.
Face it, nobody has a *real* problem, including Jeff (other than being
Jeff of course).
Bummer heh, when reality spoils a nice rant?
Gregory Hall
> Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> What Jeff really needs to do is get an alt.net account where html can
>> be propagated independent of Google Groups. Not all NSP admins
>> continue to live in the Usenet Dark Ages
>
> And exactly *why* can't *Jeff* use Google Groups if he 'needs' to post
> HTML?
Because there is no way in the Google Groups, web-based software to include
the, Content-Type: Text/HTML header.
Now run along, newb!
--
Gregory Hall
Frank Slootweg
Oh, the famous "It can't be done! 'argument'! You mean like "It can't
be done!" in OE/WM/WLM/TB/<whatever>?
['Convenient' silent snip noted.]
> Now run along, newb!
Well, I don't want to choke you, do I? So I *can't* *run*, and you
first have to get off my lap.
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Speaking of this bit of evilness:
Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset=UTF-8
Glorb propagates it just fine, even Individual.NET users can read it.
Most everyone can see it ( I know, I have the records ).
From you ( Gregory Hall ) to me ( Relf ) the path is:
newsread.glorb.com!news-spur1.glorb.com!news.glorb.com!news.alt.net
It's ·ALWAYS· a direct route: Alt.NET to Glorb.COM .
Glorb is flawless, the admin ( Geoff Brozny ) is flawless; and
it's just 10 dollars per year, no in·line binaries ( thank God ).
Franklin
> "Frank Slootweg" <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7mdr8sF...@mid.individual.net...
>> Aleph <Usene...@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday 14 November 2009 14:40, in
>>> <_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2009_Nov14.6.42am.Q8>,
>>> _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid sat down and wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > People Googling their handles find this post ( URL, above ) and,
>>> > because of the <img> tag, I have a recorded of it... good times.
>>>
>>> Relf's usenet stalking continues....
>>
>> Don't worry! His stalking only works for Google Groupers which
>> *also* Google their "handles" [1]. Google Group[er]s is not
>> "Usenet".
>>
>> [1] They don't actually Google their 'handles', but let's not make
>> Jeff any less misinformed than he is.
>
> I think you lack understanding concerning this, Frank.
>
> The discussion alludes to the fact that when Jeff includes a link to a
> photo of his which is hosted on Fast Mail he is able to examine the
> logs to see IP numbers from those who accessed the photo.
At the moment there's a similar poster in alt.comp.freeware. He's
interested in IPs of people he has long-running arguments with. I think
it's not quite the same situation as n.s.r. because Robb mentions the
use of a src= tag which would fool Google but not a lot of other
servers.
The a.c.f. guy simply posts a link to a photo which goes to a shortlink
service and then goes to a dns redirection service and then to his own
server to get the photo.
news:Xns9CBA489...@news-3.octanews.net