[Xnews] newsguy website issues

[Mike Dee]

Is anyone else having problems getting to the Xnews home pages at the
newsguy hosted site?

For the last couple of days I've been getting a 403 error from the
server: <http://xnews.newsguy.com/>
--------------------
"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Apache/1.3.41 Server at xnews.newsguy.com Port 80"
--------------------

I don't have a problem accessing <http://newsguy.com/>

--
dee

[»Q«]

GET / HTTP/1.1
xnews.newsguy.com
...
HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
Sun, 19 May 2013 01:34:17 GMT
Apache/1.3.41 (Unix) mod_throttle/3.1.2 mod_perl/1.27 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 mod_ssl/2.8.31 OpenSSL/0.9.7l-p1
timeout=15, max=99
Keep-Alive
chunked
text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

I guess it's gone. Also <http://www.isup.me/xnews.newsguy.com>.

[Mike Dee]

=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= wrote:

> I guess it's gone. Also <http://www.isup.me/xnews.newsguy.com>.

Eek. Thanks Q

--
dee

[Ted S.]

On 19 May 2013 13:18:17 GMT, Mike Dee wrote:

> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= wrote:

Who's "=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?="? :-)

--
Ted S.
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Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com

[Shmuel Metz]

In <1lcr2w9izd5w8$.d...@justacineast.motzarella.org>, on 05/19/2013

at 02:15 PM, "Ted S." <fe...@hughes.spam> said:

>Who's "=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?="? :-)

See RFC 2047; the B means BASE64 encoding.

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[Mike Dee]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> at 02:15 PM, "Ted S." <fe...@hughes.spam> said:
>
>>Who's "=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?="? :-)
>
> See RFC 2047; the B means BASE64 encoding.

And what's the RFC for the trailing smiley? :-)

... one of us "got it".

--
dee

[Mike Dee]

RobertPatrick wrote:

> Google Chrome gives me "forbidden". Same on Opera.

Thanks Robert, looks like (unless Luu is about to do something
miraculous) Xnews is about to become officially abandonware :-(

--
dee

[Bert]

In news:O4KdnXwSw81p2QfM...@giganews.com Pepi
<pe...@egg.nog> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:12:53 +0000, Mike Dee wrote:
>
>> officially abandonware
>
> And of course no source. Ain't windoze fun? ;)

In the period since Xnews was last updated, no one has come forward with
a free Windows news client that attained anything near its acceptance.

And certainly no one has released the source of a news client that even
comes close.

--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN

[MartinS]

Bert <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> Pepi <pe...@egg.nog> wrote:
>> Mike Dee wrote:
>>
>>> officially abandonware
>>
>> And of course no source. Ain't windoze fun? ;)
>
> In the period since Xnews was last updated, no one has come forward with
> a free Windows news client that attained anything near its acceptance.
>
> And certainly no one has released the source of a news client that even
> comes close.

XNews still does what I want it to.

--
Martin S

[Bert]

In news:XnsA1C6D883...@emteedee.invalid Mike Dee

I dropped a note to newsguy support and while the support guy wasn't
sure (?), he thinks that it was removed at the request of the author.

[Ted S.]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:00:20 -0400, MartinS wrote:

> XNews still does what I want it to.

It doesn't do Unicode. :-(

[Frank Slootweg]

Ted S. <fe...@hughes.spam> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:00:20 -0400, MartinS wrote:
>
> > XNews still does what I want it to.
>
> It doesn't do Unicode. :-(

It *does*, as this guy Ted S. pointed out in this very thread! :-)

[MartinS]

"Ted S." <fe...@hughes.spam> wrote:
> MartinS wrote:
>
>> XNews still does what I want it to.
>
> It doesn't do Unicode. :-(

I don't want Unicode.

--
Martin S

[Ted S.]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:38:37 -0400, MartinS wrote:

> I don't want Unicode.

Scheiße! Пиздеть! :-p

[Mike Dee]

Ted S. wrote:

> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:38:37 -0400, MartinS wrote:
>
>> I don't want Unicode.
>

> Schei�e! ???????! :-p

Any Xnews user can read/post Unicode if they want to. Its not that big
a deal, really.

--
dee

[Mike Dee]

Ted S. wrote:

> On 19 May 2013 13:18:17 GMT, Mike Dee wrote:
>
>> =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= wrote:
>
> Who's "=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?="? :-)

"=?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?="?
I'm sure I'd meant to say �Q�

--
dee

[Mike Dee]

Bert wrote:

> I dropped a note to newsguy support and while the support guy
> wasn't sure (?), he thinks that it was removed at the request of
> the author.

Thanks Bert, however a support person being unsure isn't quite
authoritive enough. Getting a 403 error isn't as polite as one would
like either. A "closed for business" sign or some kind of warning
would've been preferable. I'm hoping that something other than that 403
page surfaces soon.

--
dee

[Mike Dee]

Ted S. wrote:

> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:38:37 -0400, MartinS wrote:
>
>> I don't want Unicode.
>

> Scheisse! О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫! :-p

Hmmm... das ist nich ser gut.

--
dee

[Thomas Krickstadt]

Mike Dee:
> Ted S.:
>> MartinS:

>>> I don't want Unicode.

>> Scheiße! Пиздеть! :-p

> Any Xnews user can read/post Unicode if they want to.

I would agree, except that I can only read characters
found in my mother tongue (which is why I can't read
the second word).

> Its not that big a deal, really.

Also I can read articles written in utf-8 and write
answers in the preferred encoding (no problem).

Kind regards, Thomas

PS: As I told Blinky (RIP) seven years ago, I have a
little archive of all Xnews versions. If someone
have a need to get those ... just drop a note ...
--
Thomas Krickstadt, Berlin, Germany, <mailto:use...@krickstadt.de>

[Mike Dee]

Thomas Krickstadt wrote:

> Mike Dee:
>> Ted S.:
>>> MartinS:
>
>>>> I don't want Unicode.
>

>>> Scheisse! О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫! :-p

>
>> Any Xnews user can read/post Unicode if they want to.
>
> I would agree, except that I can only read characters
> found in my mother tongue (which is why I can't read
> the second word).

Hi Thomas. Sometimes I don't even like to read words written in my own
mother tongue. ;-)

I'm able to view that 2nd word - its in Russian, so can't decipher it
(but if the 1st word was anything to go by...) but now the German for
sh*t now has a double ss.

>> Its not that big a deal, really.
>
> Also I can read articles written in utf-8 and write
> answers in the preferred encoding (no problem).

Thanks will explore that area now.

> Kind regards, Thomas
>
> PS: As I told Blinky (RIP) seven years ago, I have a
> little archive of all Xnews versions. If someone
> have a need to get those ... just drop a note ...

Blimm'n 'eck! Where did those seven years go?! R.I.P. Blinky.

--
dee

[Thomas Krickstadt]

Hi Mike.

> (but if the 1st word was anything to go by...)
> but now the German for sh*t now has a double ss.

Cool, how did you do that? Is "koi8-r" the answer?
(In my version of my first answer the antique German
character "�" was shown.)

Best regards, Thomas

[Mike Dee]

Thomas Krickstadt wrote:

> Hi Mike.
>
>> (but if the 1st word was anything to go by...)
>> but now the German for sh*t now has a double ss.
>
> Cool, how did you do that? Is "koi8-r" the answer?
> (In my version of my first answer the antique German

> character "ss" was shown.)
>
> Best regards, Thomas

I'm reading/posting from Xnews via "Mime Proxy", I was trying to get
Russian characters, but along the way lost the ability to view/post
the antique German character for "ss"... I'm still working on it :-)

The mproxy settings I was using for character encoding at the time
were

; available charsets for encoding
charsets = us-ascii, koi8-r, windows-1251, utf-8

; charset for encoding header if raw 8 bits headers are used
header_charset = windows-1251

; client charset for outgoing articles
client_charset = windows-1251

; client charset for incoming articles
client_decoding_charset = windows-1251//TRANSLIT

I briefly used a Koi8-r font for viewing posts, but I'm thinking
this is too limited in character set (the font I used was anyway)
and switched to "ER Kurier 1251" a free font with a richer character
set. I'm looking for something a bit better than this also,
hopefully encompassing several Western/Eastern European character
types.

--
dee

[Ted S.]

On 21 May 2013 10:41:42 GMT, Thomas Krickstadt wrote:

> Cool, how did you do that? Is "koi8-r" the answer?
> (In my version of my first answer the antique German
> character "�" was shown.)

You must be Swiss if you think the � is antique. It's too bad I can't
post in Fraktur. :-)

[Thomas Krickstadt]

Ted S.:
> Thomas Krickstadt:

>> (In my version of my first answer the antique German
>> character "�" was shown.)

> You must be Swiss if you think the � is antique.

No, I'm not (see signature). But from an international
perspective German umlauts are a negligible quantity.

> It's too bad I can't post in Fraktur. :-)

Good that fonts didn't make it into the MIME specification
(and that HTML articles are not so welcome in UseNet).

Kind regards, Thomas

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Mike Dee" <mik...@emteedee.invalid>

> Is anyone else having problems getting to the Xnews home pages at the
> newsguy hosted site?
>
> For the last couple of days I've been getting a 403 error from the
> server: <http://xnews.newsguy.com/>
> --------------------
> "Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
>
> Apache/1.3.41 Server at xnews.newsguy.com Port 80"
> --------------------
>
> I don't have a problem accessing <http://newsguy.com/>

Looks like NewsGuy has dropped support of Luu Trans XNews NNTP client.



--
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http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Shmuel Metz]

In <XnsA1C6D7F4...@emteedee.invalid>, on 05/20/2013

at 11:09 AM, Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> said:

>And what's the RFC for the trailing smiley? :-)

1149. Don't forget the coated peanuts.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <XnsA1C78122...@krickstadt.de>, on 05/21/2013

at 10:41 AM, Thomas Krickstadt <use...@krickstadt.de> said:

>Cool, how did you do that?

Is ￜ (ss) a valid character in 8859-15? I get it as Alt-S, and it's
definitely in Unicode.

[Thomas Krickstadt]

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz:

> Is � (ss) a valid character in 8859-15?

Yes, decimal 223 or hexadecimal DF. Also in
8859-1, -2, -3, -4, -9, -10, -13, -14 and -16
(see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859>).

HTH, Thomas

[tlvp]

On 21 May 2013 16:13:37 GMT, Thomas Krickstadt wrote:

>> It's too bad I can't post in Fraktur. :-)
>
> Good that fonts didn't make it into the MIME specification
> (and that HTML articles are not so welcome in UseNet).

Still and all, the old tales of StrubelPeter, Hans GuckInDieLuft, et al.,
just aren't the same when not read in Fraktur :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> writes:

[...]

> I briefly used a Koi8-r font for viewing posts, but I'm thinking this
> is too limited in character set (the font I used was anyway) and
> switched to "ER Kurier 1251" a free font with a richer character set.
> I'm looking for something a bit better than this also, hopefully
> encompassing several Western/Eastern European character types.

Have you already tried Terminus [1]? It has a decent set of
characters (including that for a variety of European languages,
and what looks like a complete coverage for the Cyrillic-based
ones), and comes in the Unicode variety, too.

I've never tried to install it on anything other than a
GNU/Linux system, though.

[1] http://terminus-font.sourceforge.net/

--
FSF associate member #7257

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> writes:

[Cross-posting to news:soc.culture.russian. Just in case.]

[...]

> I'm able to view that 2nd word - it's in Russian, so can't decipher

> it (but if the 1st word was anything to go by...)

Well, it's a well-known obscenity, roughly meaning "to speak" in
Russian. (Which makes the pair given somewhat "unwarranted" in
a way. It's possible that yet another obscene word was actually
intended there, which is a noun, not a verb, and indeed couples
well with the German word given, /and/ differs by nothing more
than two letters from the second word.)

[...]

[Jeff-Relf.Me]

"DejaVu Sans Mono" is a true⋅type, fixed⋅width font
with thousands of glyphs, including graphics, math, Russian and Greek.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/DejaVuSansMono.TTF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts

"MS Mincho" is another true⋅type, fixed⋅width font
with BETTER graphics and "Japanese" (CJK) glyphs.
http://Jeff-Relf.Me/msMincho.TTC

Given 22 pixels tall ( per glyph ) or more, Mincho looks MUCH better.

xNews is much too BACKWATER to support multiple fonts, UTF⋅8 or HTML;
for that, Mozilla Thunderbird, Google Groups, gMail, HotMail, Yahoo
and Outlook Express ( a.k.a. Windows Live Mail ) are best.

[Mike Dee]

Ivan Shmakov wrote:

> Have you already tried Terminus [1]? It has a decent set of
> characters (including that for a variety of European languages,
> and what looks like a complete coverage for the Cyrillic-based
> ones), and comes in the Unicode variety, too.
>
> I've never tried to install it on anything other than a
> GNU/Linux system, though.
>
> [1] http://terminus-font.sourceforge.net/

Thanks, I will look into them.

I've only just installed the free Bitsream Vera fonts:
<http://www-old.gnome.org/fonts/>

These seem to be rather nice, too, in Sans, Sans Mono, and Serif

--
dee

[Ted S.]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:44:25 +0000, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

> Well, it's a well-known obscenity, roughly meaning "to speak" in
> Russian.

My Russian swearing is a bit rusty. :-) I know a lot of things come
from яПНяПНяПН (the male member for those who don't speak Russian), яПНяПНяПНяПНяПН (the
female member), and of course the verb яПНяПНяПНяПНяПН. The more precise forms
I'd have a tendency to mix up. I was really just using Russian to force
the post to go out in Unicode, since the previous poster was using
Xnews.

[»Q«]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 06:42:50 +0000 (UTC)
Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote:

> I've only just installed the free Bitsream Vera fonts:
> <http://www-old.gnome.org/fonts/>
>
> These seem to be rather nice, too, in Sans, Sans Mono, and Seri

The DejaVu fonts are based on those, but provide more glyphs. I use
these fonts for pretty much everything except terminals, where I use
a terminus font.

<http://dejavu-fonts.org/>

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> "JM" == Jeff-Relf Me <@.> writes:

[...]

JM> is much too BACKWATER to support multiple fonts, UTF-8 or HTML; for
JM> that, Mozilla Thunderbird, Google Groups, gMail, HotMail, Yahoo and
JM> Outlook Express (a. k. a. Windows Live Mail) are best.

So, they've finally got UTF-8, HTML and fonts working in these?
That's excellent news! By a chance, do you know if they're
planning to add any newsreading capabilities to either of them?

[Mike Dee]

Hey thanks Q, I actually have them installed (but had forgotten their
significance). Very nice and you're right they are almost identical to
the Bitstream Vera fonts.

--
dee

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Ted S <fe...@hughes.spam> writes:

[Cross-posting to news:soc.culture.russian again, as the
subject being discussed arguably fits there much better.]

[…]

FWIW, it looks like a decent knowledge of, well, indecent
Russian.

> The more precise forms I'd have a tendency to mix up.

Well, my point is that the words ending in -ть are (generally?)
verbs, while the word (I believe) you intended to use is a noun,
and is a “portmanteau” of one another word you mention, and
конец — which means “[the] end” in Russian.

Also to note is that the words ending in -ец are (generally?)
nouns. Check, for instance:

http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ец
http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ть

(Though I guess that I may have to translate these into the
respective http://en.wiktionary.org/ pages.)

> I was really just using Russian to force the post to go out in
> Unicode, since the previous poster was using Xnews.

It isn't that I've missed the point; I'm not that dense.
(Hopefully.)

[tlvp]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 19:25:37 +0000, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

> ... words ending in -ть are (generally?)
> verbs, ...

Certainly *at best* "generally", rather than "always", if the word for
"mother" ends as I think I remember it does. Мать, нет :-) ?

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> tlvp <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> writes:
>>>>> On Fri, 24 May 2013 19:25:37 +0000, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

>> ... words ending in -ть are (generally?) verbs, ...

> Certainly *at best* “generally”, rather than “always”, if the word
> for “mother” ends as I think I remember it does. Мать, нет :-) ?

That's correct. Consider, however, [1], which lists some 5801
words ending in -ть, — all being verbs.

[1] https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/Категория:Глаголы,_спряжение_1a

[Ted S.]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 19:25:37 +0000, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

> Well, my point is that the words ending in -яПНяПН are (generally?) verbs,

> while the word (I believe) you intended to use is a noun, and is a

> "portmanteau" of one another word you mention, and яПНяПНяПНяПНяПН -- which

> means "[the] end" in Russian.

яПН яПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН, яПНяПНяПНяПНяПН яПН яПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН
яПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПН-яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН. яПНяПНяПНяПН яПН яПНяПНяПН, яПНяПНяПН яПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПН яПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПНяПН *яПНяПНяПН*.

[vg4cysss7001]

In article <87d2sg9o...@violet.siamics.net>, Ivan Shmakov
<onei...@gmail.com> writes

>>>>>> Ted S <fe...@hughes.spam> writes:
>
> [Cross-posting to news:soc.culture.russian again, as the
> subject being discussed arguably fits there much better.]
>
>[…]
>
> FWIW, it looks like a decent knowledge of, well, indecent
> Russian.
>
> > The more precise forms I'd have a tendency to mix up.
>

> Well, my point is that the words ending in -?? are (generally?)

> verbs, while the word (I believe) you intended to use is a noun,
> and is a “portmanteau” of one another word you mention, and

> ????? — which means “[the] end” in Russian.
>
> Also to note is that the words ending in -?? are (generally?)
> nouns. Check, for instance:
>
>http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/-??
>http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/-??

[I cannot do Cyrillic in this client :-(]

... and, for example, the word for 'father'.

>
> (Though I guess that I may have to translate these into the
> respective http://en.wiktionary.org/ pages.)
>
> > I was really just using Russian to force the post to go out in
> > Unicode, since the previous poster was using Xnews.

Your (Ivan's) post came through in UTF-8, so I had to launch a
browser in order to see the "special" characters.

>
> It isn't that I've missed the point; I'm not that dense.
> (Hopefully.)
>

--

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<https://mozy.com/?ref=UK45Y5>

[John Doe]

Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote in
news:XnsA1C57507...@emteedee.invalid:

> Is anyone else having problems getting to the Xnews home pages at the
> newsguy hosted site?
>

I am sure it is because Luu is ready to release the new 64bit SMP aware
version of Xnews. I will keep telling myself that...

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Ted S <fe...@hughes.spam> writes:
>>>>> On Fri, 24 May 2013 19:25:37 +0000, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

[I've kept the cross-post.]

>> Well, my point is that the words ending in -ть are (generally?)

>> verbs, while the word (I believe) you intended to use is a noun, and

>> is a “portmanteau” of one another word you mention, and конец —

>> which means “[the] end” in Russian.

> Я знаю русский язук достаточно хорошо, чтобы я мог совсем неплохо
> читать и писать по-русски.

Nice to see that! Please note, however, that совсем doesn't
seem to quite fit this context (was совсем неплохо intended to
mean “quite well,” or?) OTOH, without it, я мог becomes a tad
superfluous, and seems to make one sound like foreigner.
Hence, I'd omit both of those. (But perhaps I'm oversensitive
on the subject.)

(And, well, it's язык, not язук.)

> Дело в том, что я плохо знаю русский *мат*.

My point is that the словообразование is the same for either.

Consider, e. g.: читать, писать, and also говорить, стоять,
летать, etc., — don't you see the pattern? And, OTOH, — конец,
молодец, отец, etc.

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> vg4cysss7001 <127@[127.0.0.1]> writes:
>>>>> Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> writes

>> Also to note is that the words ending in -ец are (generally?)
>> nouns.

[...]

> [I cannot do Cyrillic in this client :-(]

I don't want to sound like Jeff, but I'd still suggest you to
try another newsreader. (Or at least to file a bug report
against the one you use currently.)

You see, in Russia, one has to use non-ASCII characters all the
time (and so in Greece, Japan, etc.) And developing a
newsreader effectively suitable only for the "American" Usenet
doesn't seem like a particularly good idea to me.

> ... and, for example, the word for 'father'.

... Which is a noun, and thus fits the rule above.

[...]

[Ted S.]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:08:55 +0000, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

> (And, well, it's язык, not язук.)

I've got the Ы and У right next to each other on the keyboard, which is
Qwerty with the Cyrillic letters mapped mostly to their Latin phonetic
equivalents. Remembering where I've put the uncommon letters that don't
have equivalents, like the Ю, is a pain, but nowhere near as bad as
trying to remember the Soviet keyboard layout. :-) So that was
definitely a typo. I'll admit to never quite grasping the nuances of
how much better or worse неплохо is compared to хорошо.

On the bright side, I always had difficulty remembering when to use тоже
and when to use также. But since you didn't correct me I must have used
the correct one. :-)

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Ted S <fe...@hughes.spam> writes:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:08:55 +0000, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

[Still keeping the cross-post.]

>> (And, well, it's язык, not язук.)

> I've got the Ы and У right next to each other on the keyboard, which
> is Qwerty with the Cyrillic letters mapped mostly to their Latin
> phonetic equivalents. Remembering where I've put the uncommon
> letters that don't have equivalents, like the Ю, is a pain, but
> nowhere near as bad as trying to remember the Soviet keyboard layout.

Well, as Artemy Lebedev explains in his ководство.ру [1], the
“Soviet” keyboard layout was actually invented in late XIX in
USA. Surely, as the early Soviet orthography reform discarded a
bunch of letters from the alphabet, so was changed the layout.
Yet to this day it looks similar to the original (USA) one.

[1] http://kovodstvo.ru/sections/105/

> :-) So that was definitely a typo. I'll admit to never quite
> grasping the nuances of how much better or worse неплохо is compared
> to хорошо.

I believe that the difference is quite the same as between
“not bad” and “good” (thus the latter is generally better.)

> On the bright side, I always had difficulty remembering when to use
> тоже and when to use также.

FWIW, [2] mentions that также can be used to form composite
(compound?) conjunctions (as in: а также, и также, но также =
and also, but also), while тоже has no such use.

Also, [3] mentions that тоже may be used in derogatory sentences
(as in: Тоже мне знаток! — Yeah, another know-it-all! — note
that знаток has no pejorative connotations per se), etc.

And the English wiktionary gives one more rule to consider [4].

[2] http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/также
[3] http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/тоже
[4] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5#Usage_notes

> But since you didn't correct me I must have used the correct one.
> :-)

Huh? news:tzl0aey...@justacineast.motzarella.org doesn't
seem to mention either?

[MartinS]

John Doe <jd@localhost> wrote:
> Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>

>> Is anyone else having problems getting to the Xnews home pages at the
>> newsguy hosted site?
>
> I am sure it is because Luu is ready to release the new 64bit SMP aware
> version of Xnews. I will keep telling myself that...

I hope you're not holding your breath... ;-)

Luu wrote XNews in his spare time when he was a student.
Now he's got important things to occupy him, like work and family.

It's a tribute to Luu's programming abilities that so many people,
myself included, continue to use Xnews as their primary newsreader.
If you want the latest bells and whistles, there are other options.

--
Martin S

[Frank Slootweg]

I'm running the Gold Edition [1] of Xnews for Android! Knocks the socks
off Newstap!

[1] The box serves as a splendid mantle piece, but I had to install a
burglar alarm to keep the thugs out!

[John Doe]

MartinS <m...@my.place.invalid> wrote:
> John Doe <jd@localhost> wrote:
>> Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone else having problems getting to the Xnews home pages at the
>>> newsguy hosted site?
>>
>> I am sure it is because Luu is ready to release the new 64bit SMP aware
>> version of Xnews. I will keep telling myself that...
>
> I hope you're not holding your breath... ;-)

I can't have nothing can I? Not even my little fantasy world.... :(

> If you want the latest bells and whistles, there are other options.

Lies I say! *Gives MartinS a "Steve Dallas" dismissal wave*

[Nun the Wizer]

Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> writes

>>>>>> vg4cysss7001 <127@[127.0.0.1]> writes:
>>>>>> Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> writes
>

> >> Also to note is that the words ending in -0 > >> nouns.

>
>[...]
>
> > [I cannot do Cyrillic in this client :-(]
>
> I don't want to sound like Jeff, but I'd still suggest you to
> try another newsreader.

I use Pan when on Linux and, sometimes, Dialog on Windoze.

> (Or at least to file a bug report
> against the one you use currently.)
>

Development stopped some years ago :-(
Oh, the evils of Kapitalism! :-)

> You see, in Russia, one has to use non-ASCII characters all the
> time (and so in Greece, Japan, etc.)

Sure. I use KOI8-R and UTF-8 in browsers.
(I'll be connecting in Domodedovo about this time tomorrow.)

> And developing a
> newsreader effectively suitable only for the "American" Usenet
> doesn't seem like a particularly good idea to me.

Turnpike was/is a British product.

>
> > ... and, for example, the word for 'father'.
>
> ... Which is a noun, and thus fits the rule above.
>
>[...]
>

--

Nun the Wizer

[Mike Dee]

Bert wrote:

> Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>

>> RobertPatrick wrote:
>>
>>> Google Chrome gives me "forbidden". Same on Opera.
>>
>> Thanks Robert, looks like (unless Luu is about to do something
>> miraculous) Xnews is about to become officially abandonware :-(
>
> I dropped a note to newsguy support and while the support guy
> wasn't sure (?), he thinks that it was removed at the request of
> the author.

Getting an informed answer from Newsguy isn't straightforward. I
inquired, also.

<Response>
The Xnew software wasn't designed by our service, we were just
hosting the site for the author of the program. Not sure if the
program is still being developed.
<End Response>

Well Jeeze, I would never have guessed. My question was why the 403 and
why has the page disappeared?

Anyone else care to enquire? You may hit the jackpot.
<http://www.newsguy.com/contact.htm>

--
dee

[Shmuel Metz]

In <87k3mk7...@violet.siamics.net>, on 05/27/2013
at 11:26 AM, Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> said:

>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Good.

> I don't want to sound like Jeff,

You don't; see above.

> You see, in Russia, one has to use non-ASCII characters all the
> time (and so in Greece, Japan, etc.) And developing a
> newsreader effectively suitable only for the "American" Usenet
> doesn't seem like a particularly good idea to me.

That's a rather naïve perception of the American Usenet; RFC 5536
mandates MIME support.

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[John Doe]

Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote in

news:XnsA1CF6925...@emteedee.invalid:

I sent a query to them today and though I did not get a response the site
is back up.

http://xnews.newsguy.com/

[John Doe]

> I sent a query to them today and though I did not get a response the
> site is back up.
>
> http://xnews.newsguy.com/
>

Now that that is taken care of I have a security system to defeat.
Going to go get me a Gold Edition of Xnews.

[Mike Dee]

Hooray!!!!

Many Thanks for the good news, JD. I'm off to get my Gold Edition now,
too :-D

--
dee

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Shmuel (Seymour J ) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>>>>> Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> said:

[...]

>> You see, in Russia, one has to use non-ASCII characters all the time
>> (and so in Greece, Japan, etc.) And developing a newsreader
>> effectively suitable only for the “American” Usenet doesn't seem
>> like a particularly good idea to me.

> That's a rather naïve perception of the American Usenet;

... They say that in US, one may drive three thousand miles and
never leave English. Indeed, I can understand such an attitude:
from where I live, I can travel three thousand miles without
leaving Russian — in either direction. But it makes me think
that those living in Europe would be somewhat more inclined to
learn — and use — languages other than their native one. Which,
if applied to Usenet, means proper MIME and Unicode support.

Thus, say, Turnpike in effect doesn't seem “British enough” (by
which I mean the market being targeted, and not the origins) for
me, as that would imply the ability to handle articles in
different languages and encodings (including UTF-8), which it
seems to lack.

> RFC 5536 mandates MIME support.

Unfortunately, an RFC isn't a magic spell scroll to prevent
subscribers from using any of the non-compliant software, ever.

[XS11E]

John Doe <jd@localhost> wrote:

> I sent a query to them today and though I did not get a response
> the site is back up.
>
> http://xnews.newsguy.com/

Very good news! Thanks.



--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

[Nun the Wizer]

Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> writes

>>>>>> Shmuel (Seymour J ) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>>>>>> Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> said:
>
>[...]
>
> >> You see, in Russia, one has to use non-ASCII characters all the time
> >> (and so in Greece, Japan, etc.) And developing a newsreader
> >> effectively suitable only for the “American” Usenet doesn't seem
> >> like a particularly good idea to me.
>
> > That's a rather naïve perception of the American Usenet;
>
> ... They say that in US, one may drive three thousand miles and
> never leave English.

I travelled from Philadelphia to San Diego on the Greyhound bus
in 1980 and encountered the Spanish language on frequent occasions.

> Indeed, I can understand such an attitude:
> from where I live, I can travel three thousand miles without
> leaving Russian — in either direction.

But, to be fair, there are many other languages, besides
Russian, in Russia, such as Tatarski and Bashkiri.
(BTW, "privet" from Rostov-na-Dony.)

> But it makes me think
> that those living in Europe would be somewhat more inclined to
> learn — and use — languages other than their native one.

The British ISTM are the least inclined, but, again, they have
to cross the "English" (sic) Channel to meet "foreigners" in their own
countries. Whereas said "foreigners" merely have to drive across each
others' borders.

> Which,
> if applied to Usenet, means proper MIME and Unicode support.
>
> Thus, say, Turnpike in effect doesn't seem “British enough” (by
> which I mean the market being targeted, and not the origins) for
> me, as that would imply the ability to handle articles in
> different languages and encodings (including UTF-8), which it
> seems to lack.

Point taken, but:
a) it was developed in the 1990's and
b) is the most RFC-compliant client I have encountered. (Hence, maybe
the standards had not sufficiently evolved at the time?)

>
> > RFC 5536 mandates MIME support.
>
> Unfortunately, an RFC isn't a magic spell scroll to prevent
> subscribers from using any of the non-compliant software, ever.
>

Reminds me of Sony Betamax :-)
--
Nun the Wizer

[John Doe]

I got it but I didn't get Franks box as well.

I couldn't tell if it was playdough or if it was real C4
wired to the fireplace mantle and decided the box
wasn't that important.

[Shmuel Metz]

In <87li6w1...@violet.siamics.net>, on 05/30/2013

at 08:28 PM, Ivan Shmakov <onei...@gmail.com> said:

> ... They say that in US, one may drive three thousand miles and
> never leave English.

I can walk to restaurants where the waiters don't understand English
well. Unfortunately, I don't speak either Korean or Spanish.

> Unfortunately, an RFC isn't a magic spell scroll to prevent
> subscribers from using any of the non-compliant software, ever.

That doesn't mean that the "American Usenet" (whatever that is) isn't
affected by the standards, or that there are a higher percentage of
nyekulturniy users in the USA than in Russia. Both counties have
people who follow the rules and people who don't.