On 12/16/20 4:54 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> weary flake <weary...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A basic need for a newsreader is a What You See Is What
>> You Get editor. MT-Newswatcher has it, Unison has it,
>> Thunderbird apparently doesn't. Those newsreaders are
>> no longer usable in MacOS, while Thunderbird is.
>> Thunderbirds practice of mixing fake linefeeds with
>> real linefeeds is not WYSIWYG. However good a message looks
>> on screen before posting it, it gets ruined by Thunderbird's
>> formatting errors. It artificially puts fake line feeds
>> which interrupt my typing and then deletes them when
>> posting. I don't like to type without the linefeeds I type
>> myself, and Thunderbird doesn't like it. I'm posting in narrow
>> columns because I like to and also to try to avoid the fake
>> linefeeds in Thunderbird.
>> Is there an adjustment to Thunderbird that I'm overlooking?
>> Can Thunderbird be made to use another text editor, like the
>> simple editor that comes with Mac, or vi?
> Don't confuse line-wrapping with soft or hard newlines. You cannot
> guarantee the size of the viewing window or pane in the recipient's
> e-mail client will be the same as for your compose window.
I was only talking about my own newsgroup posts being formatted
different to what it appeared was going to be posted. I want to
see exactly what I'm going to post before I post it. The default
setup makes a mess by making no visual distinction between
newlines I type and newlines that are automatically inserted
while typing and editing and later silently deleted by the editor
after I hit "Send".
This seems to work, changing Preferences / Config Editor to:
The Mozilla support pages and the rest of Thunderbird was
no help at all. I don't like Googling and playing guessing
games just to try to turn the editor into the normal way I've
used in every other editor, but the default is such a mess.
> If you want physical soft or hard linefeeds, use Shift+Enter instead of
> just Enter. Typically Shift+Enter inserts a hard newline in many
> WYSIWYG programs, but not always. You could try it in Thunderbird in a
> test message you send yourself. Of course, that still won't change the
> viewing size in the recipient's e-mail client, so line-wrapping gets
> disturbed and the recipient sees a message afflicted with jaggies
> (uneven lines). I don't know about Thunderbird (dropped it a couple
> years ago after a 6-month trial), but some e-mail clients have an
> override on their logical (soft) newlines. They can flag a line as not
> getting line-wrapped on send. It's a flag recognized only by the
> sending e-mail client. No code is added into the message. It just
> makes sure the sending client doesn't line-wrap at a whitespace before
> you want, like making sure long URLs don't get line-wrapped.
> If you want to ensure the recipient will see lines as long as you
> entered them without any line-wrapping, put the lines into a table, and
> disable line-wrapping in the cells of the table. To hide that the lines
> are in a table, don't show the borders or gridlines in the table. I can
> do that in some e-mail clients. Don't know how much tabling support
> that Thunderbird has, but hiding borders and cell gridlines is part of
> HTML, and supposedly when you're asking about WYSIWYG editing then you
> are composing in HTML format, not plain text.
HTML doesn't belong in news posts.
> By the way, the Thunderbird newsgroup is over at ---.
> '---> mozilla.support.thunderbird (on news.mozilla.org on port 119)
> You should find a community there that is more focused on that
> particular e-mail client.
I don't have mozilla.support.thunderbird on my newsserver
Searching is much better on Thunderbird than Unison, Unison
allowed searches on subject lines only, and missed when thread
titles are changed.
Missing from Thunderbird is Unison's listing the number of new
posts on all subscribed newsgroups since I last entered the
particular newsgroup. Thunderbird doesn't, so new posts can
be easily missed.