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George Kamenz

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Nov 19, 2009, 11:24:35 PM11/19/09
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I'm trying to find a couple of newsreaders that have good help or docs.
Soon I will be moving to a new comptuer, and it might be time for a
change.

The things I found easily available have pretty [excreable] docs and
help.

Good docs mean fewer questions, fewer misadventures. Any suggestions?

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Jon Solberg

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Nov 20, 2009, 5:10:00 AM11/20/09
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Slrn or Gnus both has good documentation and are very competent news
readers. When it comes to Pan, the documentation is more or less
non-existent, but the need for documentation is less important in that
case, IMO.

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chuckcar

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:25:56 PM11/20/09
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"George Kamenz" <g...@foo.bar.baz.INVALID> wrote in
news:xn0ghuio...@news.x-privat.org:

Three Questions: 1. Do you mean complete documentation or easy to read? 2.
Have you ever read the Microsoft manuals that they included before Windows
95? Or alternatively an O'Reilly Unix book (the animal books).

I'm not going to recommend something you're not going to read the manuals
for is what I'm saying.


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GJKamenz

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Nov 21, 2009, 3:20:15 PM11/21/09
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>==in news.software.readers did chuckcar write:

>"George Kamenz" <g...@foo.bar.baz.INVALID> wrote in
>news:xn0ghuio...@news.x-privat.org:
>
>> I'm trying to find a couple of newsreaders that have good help or
>>docs. Soon I will be moving to a new comptuer, and it might be
>>time for a change.
>>

>Three Questions: 1. Do you mean complete documentation or easy to
>read?

easy to read, or easy to follow examples and preferably complete

2. Have you ever read the Microsoft manuals that they included
>before Windows 95? Or alternatively an O'Reilly Unix book (the animal
>books).

I used after market texts for windows 3 and earlier, I didn't buy any
o'Reilly *nix books because I haven't used *nix in forever. Only the
sendmail o'Reilly way back when.

>I'm not going to recommend something you're not going to read the
>manuals for is what I'm saying.

==> around 2009-11-20 08:25:56 PM

Indi

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Nov 21, 2009, 4:20:48 PM11/21/09
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On 2009-11-20, George Kamenz <g...@foo.bar.baz.INVALID> wrote:

http://www.slrn.org/

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XS11E

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Nov 21, 2009, 4:51:17 PM11/21/09
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"George Kamenz" <g...@foo.bar.baz.INVALID> wrote:

> I'm trying to find a couple of newsreaders that have good help or
> docs.

The best docs for any newsreader seem to be right here.


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Pieter Zijlstra

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:04:23 PM11/21/09
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George Kamenz wrote:

What kind of stuff are you looking for which should be documented,
besides the general help about the functionality of the newsreaders
itself?

Do you feel that it also should contain help on specific NNTP thingies
like what is pipe-lining (do other newsreaders go this far in their
documentation?)

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Pieter

"It is lamentable, that to be a good patriot one must become
the enemy of the rest of mankind."
-- Voltaire

GJKamenz

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:54:44 PM11/21/09
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>==in news.software.readers did Pieter Zijlstra write:

>George Kamenz wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to find a couple of newsreaders that have good help or
>> docs. Soon I will be moving to a new comptuer, and it might be
>>time for a change.

>What kind of stuff are you looking for which should be documented,


>besides the general help about the functionality of the newsreaders
>itself?

==> around 2009-11-21 06:04:23 PM

Mostly I'ld like good examples on how to use filters, descriptions of
how to use any aliasing items. But, basically, if it can be
configured, an example or two illustrating why one might change away
from the default value.

Even the reader I use, and you know who you are, has items I couldn't
guess at. (It teases by having menues, and check boxes, and
clickity-click for everything.)

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chuckcar

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:50:35 PM11/22/09
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"GJKamenz" <g...@foo.bar.invalid> wrote in
news:xn0ghwz2...@news.solani.org:

>>==in news.software.readers did chuckcar write:
>
>>"George Kamenz" <g...@foo.bar.baz.INVALID> wrote in
>>news:xn0ghuio...@news.x-privat.org:
>>
>>> I'm trying to find a couple of newsreaders that have good help or
>>>docs. Soon I will be moving to a new comptuer, and it might be
>>>time for a change.
>>>
>
>>Three Questions: 1. Do you mean complete documentation or easy to
>>read?
>
> easy to read, or easy to follow examples and preferably complete
>
> 2. Have you ever read the Microsoft manuals that they included
>>before Windows 95? Or alternatively an O'Reilly Unix book (the animal
>>books).
>
> I used after market texts for windows 3 and earlier, I didn't buy any
> o'Reilly *nix books because I haven't used *nix in forever. Only the
> sendmail o'Reilly way back when.
>

Ok, xnews is complete. If you know regex, so much the better. I'd even be
tempted to mention hamster as an add-on for your servers, but I have
problems with the manual. *Way* too terse. Like reading the Pascal User
Manual and report but worse.

MartinS

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:43:53 PM11/22/09
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chuckcar <ch...@nil.car> wrote:

> "GJKamenz" <g...@foo.bar.invalid> wrote:
>>> chuckcar write:
>>>"George Kamenz" <g...@foo.bar.baz.INVALID> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm trying to find a couple of newsreaders that have good help or
>>>>docs. Soon I will be moving to a new comptuer, and it might be
>>>>time for a change.
>>
>>>Three Questions: 1. Do you mean complete documentation or easy to
>>>read?
>>
>> easy to read, or easy to follow examples and preferably complete
>>
>> 2. Have you ever read the Microsoft manuals that they included
>>>before Windows 95? Or alternatively an O'Reilly Unix book (the animal
>>>books).
>>
>> I used after market texts for windows 3 and earlier, I didn't buy any
>> o'Reilly *nix books because I haven't used *nix in forever. Only the
>> sendmail o'Reilly way back when.
>>
> Ok, xnews is complete. If you know regex, so much the better. I'd even
> be tempted to mention hamster as an add-on for your servers, but I
> have problems with the manual. *Way* too terse. Like reading the
> Pascal User Manual and report but worse.

Xnews docs are terse enough! But it's still my newsreader of choice.

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Martin S.

GJKamenz

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Nov 25, 2009, 1:07:34 PM11/25/09
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>==in news.software.readers did XS11E write:

>"George Kamenz" <g...@foo.bar.baz.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to find a couple of newsreaders that have good help or
>> docs.
>
>The best docs for any newsreader seem to be right here.

==> around 2009-11-21 02:51:17 PM

Well, ok then: when does xananews use two (2) sigs? How do I get it to
use exactly one sig every time I post?

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Pieter Zijlstra

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Nov 25, 2009, 4:29:29 PM11/25/09
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GJKamenz wrote:

The first one is the signature separator it is put there by XanaNews so
that the users don't have to.

Signature separators are always dash, dash, space. It is there so that
other readers can determine what part belongs to your signature. It is
used in XanaNews for instance to give it a different color and it is
automatically stripped when you reply to a message.

The --g-- is your signature.

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Pieter

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

George Kamenz

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Nov 25, 2009, 6:16:33 PM11/25/09
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>=-in news.software.readers did Pieter Zijlstra write:

>The first one is the signature separator it is put there by XanaNews
>so that the users don't have to.

>=- at around 2009-11-25 02:29:29 PM

Usually, but in <xn0gi1js...@news.eternal-september.org> two
sigs, from two ids, with two separators. In an attempt to recreate
with postings in fj.test everything went ok.

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Pieter Zijlstra

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Nov 25, 2009, 7:50:51 PM11/25/09
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George Kamenz wrote:

> > =-in news.software.readers did Pieter Zijlstra write:
>
> > The first one is the signature separator it is put there by XanaNews
> > so that the users don't have to.
> > =- at around 2009-11-25 02:29:29 PM
>
> Usually, but in <xn0gi1js...@news.eternal-september.org> two
> sigs, from two ids, with two separators.

For whatever reason I can't get that post :(

> In an attempt to recreate with postings in fj.test everything went ok.

I'm still curious why it doesn't work always for you (?)

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Pieter

"How the teacher reacts when something goes wrong tells the class
what's important." -- Bruce Hamilton

Pieter Zijlstra

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Nov 26, 2009, 3:57:14 PM11/26/09
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George Kamenz wrote:

Answered in ... xananews.support.

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Pieter

"Spiritual maturity is a lifelong process of replacing lies
with truth."
-- Kurt Bruner

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