Anyone tried narkive.com ever?!

[Evgenii Sputnik]

It's newsreader in cloud.
Just on their website.

Probably like Google Groups.
But better!

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[Adam H. Kerman]

Evgenii Sputnik <elspu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>It's newsreader in cloud.
>Just on their website.

>Probably like Google Groups.
>But better!

I'm confused as to what a newsreader has to do with a Web site.

[Ralph Fox]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:30:09 +0700, Evgenii Sputnik wrote:

> Subject: Anyone tried narkive.com ever?!

> It's newsreader in cloud.
> Just on their website.

http://comp.internet.services.google.narkive.com/BYVXQRhv/alternatives-to-google-groups

> Probably like Google Groups.
> But better!

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.


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[VanguardLH]

"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:

> Evgenii Sputnik wrote:
>
>> It's newsreader in cloud. Just on their website. Probably like Google
>> Groups. But better!
>
> I'm confused as to what a newsreader has to do with a Web site.

They're pretending a leeching HTTP-to-NNTP gateway is a newsreader.
Forums have been doing this for a long time to either pretend they have
a larger audience by latching onto Usenet or as a webnews-for-boobs
interface (i.e., users who can barely use a web browser and will never
figure out how to configure or use an NNTP client). There are some NSPs
(newsgroups service providers), even commercial ones, who also provide a
webnews-for-boobs interface. Lots of users who first learned the
Internet via a web browser figure that's the only means to access the
sources out there. They don't know the difference between Net and Web.

[Bert]

In news:ammno2...@mid.individual.net Evgenii Sputnik

<elspu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably like Google Groups.
> But better!

They'd have to work very hard to be worse, but I reserve judgement.
Maybe they're very industrious.

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[VanguardLH]

"Evgenii Sputnik" wrote:

> It's newsreader in cloud.
> Just on their website.
>
> Probably like Google Groups.
> But better!

Even if you permit on-domain scripts to execute, narkive.com is useless
unless you also permit off-domain scripts to execute (from nkve.net).
narkive.com's registrant is in Italy. nkve.net's registrant is in
France. narkive.com = 85.17.190.156 whose geolocation is Haarlem,
Netherlands (and looks to be webhosted at LeaseWeb, Amsterdam).
nkve.net has no DNS record (IP lookup fails). That server can't be
found; however, s.nkve.net host can be found which has 8 IP addresses
for hosting at cloudfront.net (Seattle, WA USA). If you don't permit
OFF-domain scripts to execute (that is, you allows scripts from the
domain that delivered the web page but not elsewhere) then narkive.com
won't function.

When I search on "news.software.readers", I get a list of articles that
are 8-9 years old. Only 1 page's worth of listings (the oldest 50
articles) are shown. Then I notice in light gray (low contrast):

Searching for "news.software.readers" on every newsgroup in English

So it didn't take me to that newsgroup. It's looking for articles that
contain that string within them while listing the oldest first from 9
years ago. There is no Sort Order button so I can see the latest
(newest) ones first. If I change the search criteria to show articles
within the last 1 year, there are no results found.

The down-arrow only shows what it deems are the most popular newsgroups
(by what criteria is unknown). So there is no means of selecting a
particular newsgroup to read just the articles there.

So far, this archive sucks.

Maybe I have to login to get more usability features. Obviously I'm not
trusting this site with my real e-mail address so I use an alias. You
have to divulge a valid e-mail address to login because you have to get
their verification e-mail. No e-mail after 15 minutes. Resent their
verification e-mail. No e-mail after another 15 minutes. Nope, not an
issue with spam filter (the alias logs its usage and it didn't get
used). Despite claiming they would send a verification e-mail in which
I had to click a link to validate my account to login, they already
logged me in. Nope, no additional functionality.

The only way to pick a newsgroup is if it happened to be one of the
"popular" ones in the drop-down list. A thread is flat viewed. There
is no indentation to see who said what to whom as with Google Groups,
especially in the old view format for Google Groups. This is typical of
what you see in forums that leech from Usenet using an HTTP-to-NNTP
gateway: no thread hierarchy to see subthreading.

So far, this archive still sucks.

So, just what is so great about narkive over Google Groups? Qualify
your declaration.

<snipped the overly long [and spam] signature>

[Nil]

On 28 Jan 2013, Evgenii Sputnik <elspu...@gmail.com> wrote in
news.software.readers:

> It's newsreader in cloud.
> Just on their website.
>
> Probably like Google Groups.
> But better!

I've been using it a little bit to read some groups on my Kindle Fire,
as there's no decent newsreader for that device.

I'd say it's just slightly better than Google Groups in some ways,
worse in others. There's no tree view, it's loaded to the gills with
ads, and searching is limited and clumsy.

OTOH, Google has a tree view, but it doesn't work right if the thread
gets too big. Its search is unreliable and inaccurate.

The only reason I use Narkive is that it carries a couple of groups
that Google doesn't.

[Adam H. Kerman]

VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" wrote:
>>Evgenii Sputnik wrote:

>>>It's newsreader in cloud. Just on their website. Probably like Google
>>>Groups. But better!

>>I'm confused as to what a newsreader has to do with a Web site.

>They're pretending a leeching HTTP-to-NNTP gateway is a newsreader. . . .

I wanted Our Dear Sockpuppet to explain why he posted this off topic article.

[Ralph Fox]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:43:40 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

> nkve.net has no DNS record (IP lookup fails). That server can't be
> found;

"nkve.net" does have an DNS "SOA" record �<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types>.
"nkve.net" itself does not need an IP address because it
is not a server. It is a domain name.


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[VanguardLH]

"Ralph Fox" wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> nkve.net has no DNS record (IP lookup fails). That server can't be
>> found;
>
> "nkve.net" does have an DNS "SOA" record  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DNS_record_types>.
> "nkve.net" itself does not need an IP address because it
> is not a server. It is a domain name.

Um, what do you call a host that delivers files, like scripts? The "s"
hostname there has a CNAME record to d2k2y7yrqmw9wy.cloudfront.net. So
they're using an alias to a *different* domain & host over there.

[Ralph Fox]

Subdomains and parent domains are not always the same host/server.
In this case, they are not the same.

The scripts are delivered by a host/server on the subdomain "s.nkve.net".
There is no host/server on the parent domain "nkve.net".


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Ralph

[cipher]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:39:33 -0600, VanguardLH Inscribed upon the Golden
Tablets of Usenet thusly:

Same folks who never heard of Gopher, wouldn't know what to do with a
shell account, can't do FTP without a browser and think telnet is an old
song by the Ventures...

What we have here is an advertisement.. Garden variety...



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[VanguardLH]

"cipher" wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:39:33 -0600, VanguardLH Inscribed upon the Golden
> Tablets of Usenet thusly:
>
>> "Adam H. Kerman" wrote:
>>
>>> Evgenii Sputnik wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's newsreader in cloud. Just on their website. Probably like Google
>>>> Groups. But better!
>>>
>>> I'm confused as to what a newsreader has to do with a Web site.
>>
>> They're pretending a leeching HTTP-to-NNTP gateway is a newsreader.
>> Forums have been doing this for a long time to either pretend they have
>> a larger audience by latching onto Usenet or as a webnews-for-boobs
>> interface (i.e., users who can barely use a web browser and will never
>> figure out how to configure or use an NNTP client). There are some NSPs
>> (newsgroups service providers), even commercial ones, who also provide a
>> webnews-for-boobs interface. Lots of users who first learned the
>> Internet via a web browser figure that's the only means to access the
>> sources out there. They don't know the difference between Net and Web.
>
> Same folks who never heard of Gopher, wouldn't know what to do with a
> shell account, can't do FTP without a browser and think telnet is an old
> song by the Ventures...

When I first got cable Internet from a company named CableOne, they gave
me a shell account. I could then fix problems with my mailbox rather
than having to call in to get a "tech" to reset my account. If it were
just a problem with a corrupted e-mail their server couldn't handle, I
could telnet in and use the 'mail' command to delete that item. Now
you're stuck hoping you can use their webmail client for when their POP
server won't deliver to your local POP client. I could so some of my
own maintenance using the shell. After Comcast bought out CableOne, the
shell disappeared.

> What we have here is an advertisement.. Garden variety...

That's what I figured was the real intention of the bogus "info" post.
Tis similar to the spammer that posts "Can't get onto this site" just to
drive traffic to the site.

[Mike Yetto]

In a world where cipher <cip...@nospamforme.org> posts to Usenet.

>telnet is an old song by the Ventures...

Points awarded.

Mike "walk, don't run, to redeem them" Yetto
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In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.

[cipher]

On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:53:11 -0600, VanguardLH Inscribed upon the Golden
Tablets of Usenet thusly:

> When I first got cable Internet from a company named CableOne, they gave
> me a shell account. I could then fix problems with my mailbox rather
> than having to call in to get a "tech" to reset my account. If it were
> just a problem with a corrupted e-mail their server couldn't handle, I
> could telnet in and use the 'mail' command to delete that item. Now
> you're stuck hoping you can use their webmail client for when their POP
> server won't deliver to your local POP client. I could so some of my
> own maintenance using the shell. After Comcast bought out CableOne, the
> shell disappeared.

Yeah, and Usenet all but gone from the big ISPs and many universities.
Sad...

I have a shell account with sdf.org, you may want to check them out, free
for limited access, $32/year gets you the keys to to the car :-)


Speaking of old times, I recall fondly writing JCL by day for the
University, but could not compile while the user access front end was
active. At home, on a Mac OS9, I would telnet in (tn3270) and compile
after 7:00PM. If it abended, it was all night looking for my error,
usually a typo. We used CICS to manages administrative access before we
switched everything over to Novell/Windows servers. We used Pegasus mail
then, but switched over to the abomination known as Lotus Notes...

[MartinS]

cipher <cip...@nospamforme.org> wrote:
> VanguardLH Inscribed upon the Golden Tablets of Usenet thusly:
>
>> When I first got cable Internet from a company named CableOne, they
>> gave me a shell account. I could then fix problems with my mailbox
>> rather than having to call in to get a "tech" to reset my account.
>> If it were just a problem with a corrupted e-mail their server
>> couldn't handle, I could telnet in and use the 'mail' command to
>> delete that item. Now you're stuck hoping you can use their webmail
>> client for when their POP server won't deliver to your local POP
>> client. I could so some of my own maintenance using the shell.
>> After Comcast bought out CableOne, the shell disappeared.
>
> Yeah, and Usenet all but gone from the big ISPs and many universities.
> Sad...
>
> I have a shell account with sdf.org, you may want to check them out,
> free for limited access, $32/year gets you the keys to to the car :-)
>
> Speaking of old times, I recall fondly writing JCL by day for the
> University, but could not compile while the user access front end was
> active. At home, on a Mac OS9, I would telnet in (tn3270) and compile
> after 7:00PM. If it abended, it was all night looking for my error,
> usually a typo. We used CICS to manages administrative access before
> we switched everything over to Novell/Windows servers. We used
> Pegasus mail then, but switched over to the abomination known as Lotus
> Notes...

Whatever happened to Lotus?

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Martin S

[VanguardLH]

"MartinS" wrote:

> Whatever happened to Lotus?

Sun acquired OpenOffice (OO). Sun got acquired by Oracle. Oracle
decided OO wasn't what they wanted to support as a free product so they
dumped, er, donated OO onto the Apache Software Foundation (ASF). There
OO sat for a year awaiting removal from Incubation status (determines if
ASF is going to expend any resources on supporting a product in
incubation status). That Oracle got OpenOffice was reason enough to
fork off the LibreOffice product.

IBM is a platinum sponsor of ASF. They are influencing development of
OO so it meets their requirements as a replacement to their discontinued
Lotus Symphony product.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7wperx3

Uh huh, despite that IBM previously dumped, er, donated Lotus Symphony
onto ASF and is committed to going forward with an IBM-oriented Apache
OO derivative.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/248849/coming_soon_an_ibm_edition_of_apache_openoffice.html

[cipher]

On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 13:05:33 -0500, MartinS Inscribed upon the Golden
Tablets of Usenet thusly:

> Whatever happened to Lotus?

Looks like they're still around...

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/lsndad/?S_CMP=rnav

[MartinS]

Thanks. I think.

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[MartinS]

cipher <cip...@nospamforme.org> wrote:
> MartinS Inscribed upon the Golden Tablets of Usenet thusly:
>
>> Whatever happened to Lotus?
>
> Looks like they're still around...
>
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/lsndad/?S_CMP=rnav

IBM always did go its own way.

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[greymausg]

On 2013-01-28, Evgenii Sputnik <elspu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's newsreader in cloud.
> Just on their website.
>
> Probably like Google Groups.
> But better!
>

This seems to be an advertisement for this site.

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[will.d...@gmail.com]

On Monday, January 28, 2013 at 2:30:09 AM UTC-5, Evgenii Sputnik wrote:
> It's newsreader in cloud.
> Just on their website.
>
> Probably like Google Groups.
> But better!

I just tried Narkive tonight... so far I don't see much promise, posts I made do not show up on Google Groups and may not show up anywhere on Usenet, not sure if they do or not yet.

[dunno]

I see posts from Narkive on mixmin server. It seems that it's mostly used
to post to some certain groups.

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