Xnews-like Free Open Xplatform Newsreader (FO-Xnews?) - About that~
MBB
multiplatform
version of Xnews.
http://groups.google.com/group/news.software.readers/browse_frm/thread/f4
253165f11e
1fcd/b1363d1f1cccc0a2?tvc=1&q=xnews+open+source#b1363d1f1cccc0a2
As Xnews user this peeked my interest, and I've been thinking of options
that might be interesting to include, and how.
(I've only ever used X-news, perhaps these opties already exist in other
readers.)
I'm not a programmer, but I'm willing to beta-test and translate for the
Dutch version.
Ideas for the Xnews-like Free Open Xplatform Newsreader (FO-Xnews?)
-support gif picturess ;-)
-Mail article with default email client
-GoogleGroups block button :-P
- skinnable
- Widescreen layout:
-Vertical tabs
-opened-groups list on the side in stead of at the bottom
-RegEx editor (plugin):
VIM/Cream has a SLRN Regex editor template, either port to Xnews or
choose SLRN
regex
Xnews or SLRN? are they very different in quality?
-allow a virus scan to be set for binaries
-Nzb maybe native support, but I think it would be easier and user-
friendlier to
make it compatible with existing NZB-programs, so addons for HellanNZB,
SABnzb
(java) and NNTPGrab
-Spelling control: integration with FFplugin/OpenOffice plugin. (they do
updates,
only 1 custom dictionary)
Or allow addons for favorite spell-check with existing custom
dictionaries
(OpenOffice, Aspell, MSoffice, Firefox)
other ideas
Killfile updater:
- update from extern groups
- upload to site so common blocks can be shared
Google groups in window?
Support for RSS feed?
Text-To-Speech plugin?
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chuckcar
news:Xns9CEF7DEF8CB...@213.75.85.100:
> A while ago there was some talk here about starting a free open
> multiplatform
>
> version of Xnews.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/news.software.readers/browse_frm/thread/
> f4 253165f11e
Bash (with the appropriate packages) does all that already <g>.
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(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Mike Yetto
> A while ago there was some talk here about starting a free open
> multiplatform
>
> version of Xnews.
>
But never by the owner of the code.
> http://groups.google.com/group/news.software.readers/browse_frm/thread/f4
> 253165f11e
>
> 1fcd/b1363d1f1cccc0a2?tvc=1&q=xnews+open+source#b1363d1f1cccc0a2
>
>
> As Xnews user this peeked my interest, and I've been thinking of options
> that might be interesting to include, and how.
> (I've only ever used X-news, perhaps these opties already exist in other
> readers.)
>
> I'm not a programmer, but I'm willing to beta-test and translate for the
> Dutch version.
>
>
>
> Ideas for the Xnews-like Free Open Xplatform Newsreader (FO-Xnews?)
>
>
> -support gif picturess ;-)
>
The support of jpegs was a concession on the part of Luu Tran and
is not likely to be expanded, even if Xnews is picked-up again.
> -Mail article with default email client
>
This is one of two ideas I could get behind.
> -GoogleGroups block button :-P
>
The score file system already takes care of that.
> - skinnable
Eye-candy never enhanced any program designed for utility rather
than graphic appeal.
> - Widescreen layout:
> -Vertical tabs
> -opened-groups list on the side in stead of at the bottom
>
>
> -RegEx editor (plugin):
> VIM/Cream has a SLRN Regex editor template, either port to Xnews or
> choose SLRN
>
> regex
> Xnews or SLRN? are they very different in quality?
>
> -allow a virus scan to be set for binaries
>
Use the system scans and keep the mission creep out of the
applications.
>
> -Nzb maybe native support, but I think it would be easier and user-
> friendlier to
>
> make it compatible with existing NZB-programs, so addons for HellanNZB,
> SABnzb
>
> (java) and NNTPGrab
>
There is no addon/plugin system so you will need to writer your
own back or front-end
> -Spelling control: integration with FFplugin/OpenOffice plugin. (they do
> updates,
>
> only 1 custom dictionary)
> Or allow addons for favorite spell-check with existing custom
> dictionaries
>
> (OpenOffice, Aspell, MSoffice, Firefox)
>
A spell check hook is the other idea I like.
>
> other ideas
>
> Killfile updater:
> - update from extern groups
> - upload to site so common blocks can be shared
>
> Google groups in window?
>
Use a browser if you want to play with google groups.
> Support for RSS feed?
>
Use a news aggregator.
> Text-To-Speech plugin?
>
Use a system tool to avoid mission creep at the application
level.
Mike "not that any of this will ever happen" Yetto
--
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they are not.
Mike Dee
> Mike Yetto wrote:
>> Bada bing MBB <A@B_nd.com> bada bang:
>
> <chop>
>>> (OpenOffice, Aspell, MSoffice, Firefox)
>>>
>>
>> A spell check hook is the other idea I like.
>
> tinySpell is an excellent second place idea if you don't mind glancing to
> the tray if you're not sure if you spelled something correctly.
tinyspell is probably OK on one platform. The OP (you <chop>ped out the
reference to him) was referring to a "universal" multi-platform
"Xnews-like" reader. - Aspell is possibly a more suited candidate in this
case.
Xnews already runs on and is native to the same platform tinyspell
operates under. Both are restricted to that one platform, unless like
Xnews, tinyspell can run under WINE, too? ... but then, how many platforms
does it take to constitute a multi-platform app?
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dee
Mike Dee
> A while ago there was some talk here about starting a free open
> multiplatform version of Xnews.
On and off, I've come across such heresies ;-)
[...]
> -RegEx editor (plugin):
> VIM/Cream has a SLRN Regex editor template, either port to Xnews or
> choose SLRN
Xnews just calls the OS's (Windows) plain text editor.
> regex
> Xnews or SLRN? are they very different in quality?
A question amongst proposals?
No difference. with these exceptions:
Xnews [.]
SLRN [*]
Xnews doesn't understand nested regex syntax: Score: -9999 % free ipods
Subject: \Cipod {:: Subject: \Cfree Subject: \Cdeal }
% would not work in Xnews
%% with thanks to Troy Piggins for the above example %%
SLRN doesn't understand piped "|" regex syntax:
Score:: -9999
Subject: this|something else|even more Subject:
nike|rolex|casio|adidas|macdonalds From: joe blow|freddy frog|elmer fudd
References: money lenders|vagrant scammers|etc|etc
Otherwise no other differences (unless there's something I've missed).
[...]
> other ideas
[...]
>
> Google groups in window?
Gotta laff at that one :-D
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dee
Mike Dee
> No difference. with these exceptions:
>
> Xnews [.]
> SLRN [*]
>
> Xnews doesn't understand nested regex syntax: Score: -9999 % free
> ipods Subject: \Cipod {:: Subject: \Cfree Subject: \Cdeal }
>
> % would not work in Xnews
> %% with thanks to Troy Piggins for the above example %%
>
> SLRN doesn't understand piped "|" regex syntax:
>
> Score:: -9999
> Subject: this|something else|even more Subject:
> nike|rolex|casio|adidas|macdonalds From: joe blow|freddy
> frog|elmer fudd References: money lenders|vagrant
> scammers|etc|etc
>
> Otherwise no other differences (unless there's something I've
> missed).
Boy, I gotta hand it to Pan for screwing up that post. Should have
been:
Xnews doesn't understand nested regex syntax:
Score: -9999 % free ipods
Subject: \Cipod
{::
Subject: \Cfree
Subject: \Cdeal
}
% would not work in Xnews
%% with thanks to Troy Piggins for the above example %%
SLRN doesn't understand piped "|" regex syntax:
Score:: -9999
Subject: this|something else|even more
Subject: nike|rolex|casio|adidas|macdonalds
From: joe blow|freddy frog|elmer fudd
References: money lenders|vagrant scammers|etc|etc
%Hoping this one comes through a little cleaner ;-)
--
dee
Mike Yetto
> Mike Yetto wrote:
>> Bada bing MBB <A@B_nd.com> bada bang:
>
>
>>> -Spelling control: integration with FFplugin/OpenOffice plugin. (they do
>>> updates,
>>>
>>> only 1 custom dictionary)
>>> Or allow addons for favorite spell-check with existing custom
>>> dictionaries
>>>
>>> (OpenOffice, Aspell, MSoffice, Firefox)
>>>
>>
>> A spell check hook is the other idea I like.
>
Don't bother telling me, I solved the problem over a decade ago
and stopped using Xnews shortly after switching to Linux.
Mike "tell the OP if he returns" Yetto
Mike Yetto
> Mike Yetto wrote:
>> Don't bother telling me, I solved the problem over a decade ago
>> and stopped using Xnews shortly after switching to Linux.
>>
>
> fangled version of Linux a test run.
Why would I want to try Pan? The newest version is crap and the
stable version would have to be very appealing for me to drop
slrn. When I tried it, it wasn't.
Mike "I can always screw up slrn and fix it again for fun" Yetto
Mike Dee
> Mike Yetto wrote:
>
>> Why would I want to try Pan? The newest version is crap and the
>> stable version would have to be very appealing for me to drop
>> slrn. When I tried it, it wasn't.
>
> I tried Pan once, it was no fun. About as boring and as lame as Agent.
Hey! Its not *that* bad ;-)
Not if you use an earlier (better) version - the one with built-in
spellcheck as you type and direct access to an external plain text editor
to 'roll-your-own' regex, it can be _almost_ as good as Xnews.
Its been downhill for Pan after vers. 0.14.2.9x tho' sad to say.
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dee
»Q«
Guy <Use-Reply-To-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
> Mike Yetto wrote:
>
> > I solved the problem over a decade ago
> > and stopped using Xnews shortly after switching to Linux.
>
> Why do you state "over a decade ago" which is an untruth?
As I read the context for that, "the problem" solved over a decade
ago was spellchecking, though ICBW. IIRC, a lot of people solved it
with APSC.
Mike Yetto
>> chance. I'll remember your advice in case I ever switch to linux for a
>> desktop machine. :)
>
> I found the later version to be perfectly fine and very configurable. I
> believe there was one issue I had trouble with and never got ironed out. I
> think it had something to do with scoring. Don't remember.
>
> Try them both, decide for yourself, go with what works for you.
I did try them both.
Mike "and stayed with slrn" Yetto
Mike Yetto
You are not wrong. Spell checking was "the problem" being
discussed. And while I did switch to Linux in early 2007 and
shortly thereafter switched to slrn, I do occasionally go back to
Xnews to check out possible solutions to Xnews problems.
I can't seem to do the same for reading comprehension problems.
Mike "slrn is primary, not sole" Yetto
Mike Dee
> I'm VERY happy with Xnews, thank you very much!
> The only reason I could see to use anything else would be to avoid
> having to run it in Wine, or some other funky workaround if I
> didn't use windows.
Its not too funky (running Xnews under Wine). If, once you copy the
fonts over that you like to use in Xnews (and a few DLLs it can't do
without), setting up and running Xnews under Wine is about the same
as setting it up and running it on Windows.
The cross-over isn't entirely without problem but if you're aware of
the pit-falls (only two that I know of) it pretty much looks, acts
and feels just like the "real thing".
--
dee
Ted S.
> I'm VERY happy with Xnews, thank you very much! The only reason I
> could see to use anything else would be to avoid having to run it in
> Wine, or some other funky workaround if I didn't use windows.
Written by somebody who аррarently doesn't need ISO-8859-15, which Xnews
chokes on in the headers оf German-language groups. And then there are
the people who post in UTF-8.... :-(
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
ěšč
»Q«
Ted S. <fe...@hughes.spam> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:43:18 -0800, sittingduck wrote:
>
> > I'm VERY happy with Xnews, thank you very much! The only reason I
> > could see to use anything else would be to avoid having to run it in
> > Wine, or some other funky workaround if I didn't use windows.
>
> Written by somebody who аррarently doesn't need ISO-8859-15, which
> Xnews chokes on in the headers оf German-language groups. And then
> there are the people who post in UTF-8.... :-(
IMO, "chokes" is a bit strong. As long as those charsets are properly
encoded, Xnews only fails to decode them. Leaving them encoded as
7-bit characters doesn't hurt anything (except maybe someone's eyes ;) .
Ted S.
> And luckily I don't give a flying fuck about the UTF clowns, or the
> german language groups either!
If you're naï¿œve and refuse to coï¿œperate, will Xnews still have trouble
with the messages? :-)
Doug Freyburger
>
> ... or the german language groups either!
>
> --
> A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for
> what he knows. � Samuel Clemens
Samuel Clemens was Mark Twain. One of his best works was "The Aweful
German Language". Given the combination in the message and the
.signature I deliberately quoted the .sig because of that.
Mike Yetto
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:37:33 -0800, sittingduck wrote:
>
>> And luckily I don't give a flying fuck about the UTF clowns, or the
>> german language groups either!
>
> with the messages? :-)
>
Pardon me, I just want to interject a question here. What is the
proper code-page for l33t d00dz?
Mike "simple linguistic curiosity" Yetto
Mike Yetto
I have long thought that Dave Barry would like to be Mark Twain
when he grows up.
Mike "excuse me: if" Yetto
Gene E. Bloch
> Bada bing Ted S. <fe...@hughes.spam> bada bang:
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:37:33 -0800, sittingduck wrote:
>>
>>> And luckily I don't give a flying fuck about the UTF clowns, or the
>>> german language groups either!
>>
>> with the messages? :-)
>>
> Pardon me, I just want to interject a question here. What is the
> proper code-page for l33t d00dz?
> Mike "simple linguistic curiosity" Yetto
You're too didactic. I googled for your phrase in that foreign language
and stumbled across a very interesting write-up about l33t.
It's at http://heptadecagram.net/parchments/l33t/
Gene "still young enough to learn" Bloch
--
Gene Bloch 650.366.4267 lettersatblochg.com
Mike Yetto
> On 12/31/09, Mike Yetto posted:
>> Bada bing Ted S. <fe...@hughes.spam> bada bang:
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:37:33 -0800, sittingduck wrote:
>>>
>>>> And luckily I don't give a flying fuck about the UTF clowns, or the
>>>> german language groups either!
>>>
>>> with the messages? :-)
>>>
>
>> Pardon me, I just want to interject a question here. What is the
>> proper code-page for l33t d00dz?
>
>> Mike "simple linguistic curiosity" Yetto
>
> You're too didactic. I googled for your phrase in that foreign language
> and stumbled across a very interesting write-up about l33t.
>
> It's at http://heptadecagram.net/parchments/l33t/
>
> Gene "still young enough to learn" Bloch
>
Good on ya, and thanks for the link.
A few years ago it was relatively simple to find a leet-speak
application (transleeter?). Now it requires more effort than it
is worth.
Mike "fashizzle" Yetto
Gene E. Bloch
> Bada bing Gene E Bloch <let...@someplace.invalid> bada bang:
>> On 12/31/09, Mike Yetto posted:
>>> Bada bing Ted S. <fe...@hughes.spam> bada bang:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:37:33 -0800, sittingduck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And luckily I don't give a flying fuck about the UTF clowns, or the
>>>>> german language groups either!
>>>>
>>>> with the messages? :-)
>>>>
>>
>>> Pardon me, I just want to interject a question here. What is the
>>> proper code-page for l33t d00dz?
>>
>>> Mike "simple linguistic curiosity" Yetto
>>
>> You're too didactic. I googled for your phrase in that foreign language
>> and stumbled across a very interesting write-up about l33t.
>>
>> It's at http://heptadecagram.net/parchments/l33t/
>>
>> Gene "still young enough to learn" Bloch
>>
> Good on ya, and thanks for the link.
> A few years ago it was relatively simple to find a leet-speak
> application (transleeter?). Now it requires more effort than it
> is worth.
> Mike "fashizzle" Yetto
There was one string in the article I couldn't figure out, but I
applied your last criterion above :-)
At this point I'm happy merely to recognized l33t and to have an idea
what it's about.
Speaking of happy: Happy New Year, Mike (and of course the rest of
y'all).
»Q«
Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Awful", not "aweful". And it is awfully good.
<http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/jod/texts/twain.german.html>
Mike Dee
> Samuel Clemens was Mark Twain. One of his best works was "The Aweful
> German Language". Given the combination in the message and the
> .signature I deliberately quoted the .sig because of that.
's funny. I always thought that Mark Twain was Samuel Clemens ;-)
This thread has inspired me to read some more M.T. tho', just DL'd some of
his works from Project Gutenberg, "The Awful German Language".
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dee
Mike Dee
My written English appears to be *worse* than my spoken German. I meant
"The Awful German Language" (From Part 7 of "A Tramp Abroad", Appendix
D) was amongst the works, I'd DL'd.
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dee