XNews highlighting lost for new headers after I changed access server
Rahul
my Xnews setup and now messages loas but all headers appear uniformly
"red". In the past it used to have these nice tiny icons (exclaimation mark
etc.) that allowed me to at a glance see new unread replies etc.
What did I do wrong? How can I re-enable that functionality? I tried
"refreash headers" and also "filter messages with scores>0" but no help.
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Rahul
Gene E. Bloch
Other threads in this newsgroup point out that the new server almost
certainly has different message numbers from the old server, which destroys
Xnews's ability to guess what is and isn't read (or loaded).
The way to make the change would have been to temporarily keep the old
server and start over with the new server name. Then you could have caught
up group by group: in each group, download and read all the messages in
both servers (at the same time!), and then abandon the old server.
Unfortunately, I understand that news.motzarella.org is already turned off.
(Seems to be true: I can't connect at this moment.)
BTW, the above is true of any newsreader.
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Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
Mike Dee
What I did (and it worked for me) was to "clone" motzarella.org in Xnews's
setup, changed the server-name of the clone to the new
"news.eternal-september.org" and downloaded the entire groups list for it.
Some have suggested "easier" routes but I didn't get any issues this way.
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dee
Tim Weaver
I changed the info in Setup, renamed the newsrc and Xnewsrc files, edited
the servers.ini and xnews.ini files and edited the registry entries for the
window metrics. Probably not easier or faster, but it worked.
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Mike Yetto
Copying the Xnewsrc file is a good idea. That will duplicate
your subscribed group list. However, you need to have a newsrc
file that does not contain the article numbers from motzarella as
they are much higher than the new numbers that e-s uses. This
will cause all of the articles to appear to Xnews as older than
what you've already seen and most will not even exist. This is
the OP's problem.
Mike "or you can read the e-mail Ray sent" Yetto
--
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitas.
- William of Ockham
Mike Dee
> Mike "or you can read the e-mail Ray sent" Yetto
I'm still waiting for mine, Mike ;-)
Thankfully the details got posted up in here and elsewhere (otherwise, I'd
likely be wondering WTH has happened to motzarella.org by now) :-)
Probably got hit by my over-zealous T'bird spam-trap.
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dee
Gene E. Bloch
I don't see a "Ray" in this thread. However, years ago, when bandleader Ray
Bloch was still well-known, people tended to call me Ray.
Are you older than I thought, or am I just being egotistical again?
Gene "also known as Gino, but willing to provide a Ray of hope too" Bloch
(I'm having fun, so be charitable!)
Mike Yetto
> On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:08:34 -0400, Mike Yetto wrote:
>> Mike "or you can read the e-mail Ray sent" Yetto
>
> I don't see a "Ray" in this thread. However, years ago, when bandleader Ray
> Bloch was still well-known, people tended to call me Ray.
>
I was refering to Ray Banana who has posted the answer to this
problem many times in motzarella.support as well as an e-mail
sent to motzarella users.
Can I call you Ray? Or can I call you Jay? Or can I call you R.J.
Johnson, Jr.?
> Are you older than I thought, or am I just being egotistical again?
>
> Gene "also known as Gino, but willing to provide a Ray of hope too" Bloch
>
> (I'm having fun, so be charitable!)
>
Mike "I doesn't has to call you Johnson" Yetto
Rahul
news:pan.2009.07.02....@emteedee.invalid:
> What I did (and it worked for me) was to "clone" motzarella.org in
> Xnews's setup, changed the server-name of the clone to the new
> "news.eternal-september.org" and downloaded the entire groups list for
> it.
>
Thanks Mike! I tried exactly that. All the subscribed groups etc. came
through but it still marks all messages as "read". Somenhow Xnews seems to
get confused into thinking all these messages have already been read by me.
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Rahul
Rahul
news:slrn200907020802...@may.eternal-september.org:
> However, you need to have a newsrc
> file that does not contain the article numbers from motzarella as
> they are much higher than the new numbers that e-s uses. This
> will cause all of the articles to appear to Xnews as older than
> what you've already seen and most will not even exist.
I think that is it. I suppose the numbering mismatch is why those messages
come up as "read" and in red. I wish someone invented a hack!
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Rahul
Mike Yetto
There was no hack involved. You could have used sed or grep to
remove the run list of articles from each group, but downloading
a group list for the new server is easier and the standard
procedure. It isn't even a fix, just the final step to
connecting to a new server. There was no mismatch as there was
never any intention to match the article numbers.
In essence you were trying to call your wife by using your
girlfriend's phone number.
Mike "if you're lucky it won't work at all" Yetto
Gene E. Bloch
After that post, you can call me confused :-)
...also amused...
I wouldn't be surprised if Ray B (Banana) is one of the sources for my info
posted above - I don't recall all the posters that have informed me.
Gene "don't shirk your duty to plagiarize" Bloch
Gene E. Bloch
> In essence you were trying to call your wife by using your
> girlfriend's phone number.
The other way 'round might be worse.
> Mike "if you're lucky it won't work at all" Yetto
Once (only) I did sort of the same. This was during the time the city was
transitioning from using letters for exchanges to using numbers. My female
friend X's number was UN4 something and my girlfriend Y's number was
864-something else. I went to call X, but was thinking 864 instead of UN4,
so I dialed the wrong address (the last four digits). When I asked for X, Y
recognized my voice and was a bit annoyed. And never believed (a) that it
was an accident, and (b) that X and I were not and had never been an item.
It was a bit complicated because Y and I were newly ex (pun only slightly
intended).
»Q«
Gene E. Bloch <not...@other.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:41:57 -0400, Mike Yetto wrote:
>
> > Bada bing Gene E. Bloch <not...@other.invalid> bada bang:
> >> On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:08:34 -0400, Mike Yetto wrote:
> >>> Mike "or you can read the e-mail Ray sent" Yetto
> >>
> >> I don't see a "Ray" in this thread. However, years ago, when
> >> bandleader Ray Bloch was still well-known, people tended to call
> >> me Ray.
> >>
> >
> > I was refering to Ray Banana who has posted the answer to this
> > problem many times in motzarella.support as well as an e-mail
> > sent to motzarella users.
> >
> > Can I call you Ray? Or can I call you Jay? Or can I call you R.J.
> > Johnson, Jr.?
> >
> >> Are you older than I thought, or am I just being egotistical again?
> >>
> >> Gene "also known as Gino, but willing to provide a Ray of hope
> >> too" Bloch
> >>
> >> (I'm having fun, so be charitable!)
> >>
> >
> > Mike "I doesn't has to call you Johnson" Yetto
>
> After that post, you can call me confused :-)
>
> ...also amused...
<http://www.digitalsalon.com/ray_johnson.html>
Ray Johnson has been called (Bloch, 1995) “the most famous unknown
artist in the world”
Wait, that's not it, even if you did call him that in 1995.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Jay_Johnson>
<http://www.retroist.com/2009/02/18/you-can-call-him-ray-ray-j-johnson-commercial-and-disco-song/>
I dare you to listen to all of "DANCIN' JOHNSON". I couldn't.
Mike Yetto
And *I* confused *you*? All I did was pull out an old Ray Jay
Johnson beer commercial from <mumble> years ago.
Mike "I think it was beer" Yetto
Eggs Zachtly
Anheuser-Busch Natural Light =)
Eggs "what an awful beer" Zachtly
Mike Yetto
My bad. It was Bud Lite.
Mike "I regret any harm this error may have caused" Yetto
chuckcar
news:Xns9C3D72712D1D166...@188.40.43.213:
Ok, remove the server from xnews, exit xnews, delete the .newsrc file with
the server name in the main xnews directory, delete *any* .hdr and .mbx
files in the data directory with the server name as the "name" part.
Then start xnews and create the eternal september server from scratch. You
won't have *any* marked read because it will be completely new.
--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Indi
>
> Anheuser-Busch Natural Light =)
>
> Eggs "what an awful beer" Zachtly
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Ya doesn't hasta call it "Anheuser-Busch Natcherl Light" -- Yooo can call it
[***sound of stylus abruptly dragged across vinyl***]
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indi "please excuse my lapse" sharpe
The Old Sourdough
snip
> Anheuser-Busch Natural Light =)
> Eggs "what an awful beer" Zachtly
Calling that stuff "beer" is really stretching it....
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Mike Dee
> Mike Dee wrote:
>
>> What I did (and it worked for me) was to "clone" motzarella.org in
>> Xnews's setup, changed the server-name of the clone to the new
>> "news.eternal-september.org" and downloaded the entire groups list for
>> it.
>>
> Thanks Mike! I tried exactly that. All the subscribed groups etc. came
> through but it still marks all messages as "read". Somenhow Xnews seems to
> get confused into thinking all these messages have already been read by
> me.
But by the sounds of things, you didn't try _exactly_ that ;-)
Because if you had, your old subscribed groups *would not have* came
through, as you would have had to DL all of the erternal-september
newsgroups and subscribe fresh to the groups you read/post regularly to.
The steps you should have undertaken in Xnews (if you go through Xnews
setup dialog route) are:
Open your server settings in the setup dialog.
Click the name of your *old* motzarella.org server to select it.
Click the "Clone" button below in the list of server names.
Give the *clone* a new name for the server, e.g. "eternal-september"
Change the server-address-name in the *clone* from news.motzarella.org to
news.eternal-september.org. [OK] this, no other changes such as user name
and password are needed here.
Back in Xnews main window, click "Server" menu and choose your newly
cloned server-name. DL the *full* groups list when requested. Once that is
done re-subscribe to your usual groups, read some to make sure all is
well. If your old motzarella.org is still available (its old server name
is still visible as a button in the bottom row of server buttons in the
main Xnews window, click the button to bring its window frontmost then
Alt+F4 to close it, then delete the old server via the Xnews setup dialog.
From a recent Ray Banana post to eternal-september.support and may be
relevant in your case:
-----------<RB>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:31:27 +0200
Followup-To: eternal-september.support
From: Ray Banana <ray...@banana.shacknet.nu>
Message-ID: <8063e9d...@banana.shacknet.nu>
Newsgroups: eternal-september.grouprequests,eternal-september.support
Thus spake "SoundChaser" <tmat...@nospam.org>
> please pick up alt.social-security-disability or fix it or whatever. it
> is currently non-functional THANKS!!!
The group is fully functional and the latest posting is just a few minutes
old. I assume you just changed the server name in your existing account to
news.eternal-september.org. This will cause such problems, as was
explicitely stated in the notification mail.
-----------<\RB>
HTH
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dee
Gene E. Bloch
> In <news:v3n70716nswk.j...@40tude.net>,
> Gene E. Bloch <not...@other.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:41:57 -0400, Mike Yetto wrote:
>>
>>> Bada bing Gene E. Bloch <not...@other.invalid> bada bang:
>>>> On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:08:34 -0400, Mike Yetto wrote:
>>>>> Mike "or you can read the e-mail Ray sent" Yetto
>>>>
>>>> I don't see a "Ray" in this thread. However, years ago, when
>>>> bandleader Ray Bloch was still well-known, people tended to call
>>>> me Ray.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was refering to Ray Banana who has posted the answer to this
>>> problem many times in motzarella.support as well as an e-mail
>>> sent to motzarella users.
>>>
>>> Can I call you Ray? Or can I call you Jay? Or can I call you R.J.
>>> Johnson, Jr.?
>>>
>>>> Are you older than I thought, or am I just being egotistical again?
>>>>
>>>> Gene "also known as Gino, but willing to provide a Ray of hope
>>>> too" Bloch
>>>>
>>>> (I'm having fun, so be charitable!)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mike "I doesn't has to call you Johnson" Yetto
>>
>> After that post, you can call me confused :-)
>>
>> ...also amused...
>
> <http://www.digitalsalon.com/ray_johnson.html>
>
> Ray Johnson has been called (Bloch, 1995) ļæ½the most famous unknown
> artist in the worldļæ½
>
> Wait, that's not it, even if you did call him that in 1995.
The Bloch in question is cited as Mark Bloch. He is completely unknown to
me, but the coincidence is bizarre anyway. But that is the nature of
coincidences.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Jay_Johnson>
>
> <http://www.retroist.com/2009/02/18/you-can-call-him-ray-ray-j-johnson-commercial-and-disco-song/>
>
> I dare you to listen to all of "DANCIN' JOHNSON". I couldn't.
Meantime, I'll do my homework now (that is, look at the other 2 links).
I just *hate* you teachers who keep assigning me homework ;-)
OK, first is the ad. That was a bit annoying to me, but now I know a bit
more. As for the disco song, I think I could have listened to it all if I
really *had* to, but 2:12 of 6:00 minutes was quite enough, thank you so
much...
OTOH, as an idea at least, the other Johnson, the fictitious Ray Jay
Johnson, reminds me a little of Josiah T. Carberry, the chairman of Brown
University's Department of Psychoceramics when I was there and for a number
of years after. The Alumni Monthly would report his adventures (as
documented by various alumni in various ports of call), usually as a
photograph of a portly gentlemen with a couple of large suitcases, and
always viewed from behind. The joke grew old, I guess, because Josiah faded
from the magazine two or three decades ago.
Gene E. Bloch
Sorry about the confusion.
No, actually not :-)
In truth, I'm too old to drink mediocre beer. With my memory, though, I
need to keep a list of some brands I like and some that I don't, so that I
get the right stuff at the store.
When I was an undergraduate, we used to buy Yankee Premium Beer at 99
cents/quart. We call it "Yankee Pischke Wasser", which was either fake or
real Yiddish for what we thought the beer tasted like.
It was the cheapest brew around and we hardly cared about the quality...
I'm curious now: is this subthread OT? Just askin'.
»Q«
That's interesting. Now I feel guilty for subjecting you to Ray
Jay Johnson, but only a little. It seems that even if Prof. Carberry
is no longer being covered by the press, his legacy lives on in books
and magazines purchased for the library using funds deposited in cracked
pots.
<http://dl.lib.brown.edu/bookplates/fund.php?account=054082>
Chasing links from there, I found at least one book I'll buy (having no
easy access to the Brown library).
Gene E. Bloch
YOU feel guilty! How about ME!
I am an alumnus of Brown, and I didn't have the initiative to Google for
Professor Carberry.
For which I thank you (seriously!); I'll follow the link to the
Encyclopedia Brunoniana :-)
Mike Yetto
Should we add [Ruppert Knickerbocker] to the Subject: line?
Mike "3 quarts for a dollar? that can't be right" Yetto
Gene E. Bloch
I should have done this before posting the above.
The slogan on the page you cited, "Dulce et decorum est desipere in loco",
seems to mean "It is sweet and proper to be silly in place", although my
dictionary gives too many meanings for 'locus' for me to be sure.
OK, here we go:
"It is delightful [and proper] to play the fool occasionally",
from
http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/brewers/dulce-est-desipere-loco.html
As an alumnus, I happen to know this: that slogan is a play on a slogan on
the cornerstone of University Hall at Brown, "Dulce et decorum est pro
patria mori", "It is sweet and proper to die for (your) country".
It's been very popular ever since Horace said it a few years ago. There are
a lot of references to it in the Wikipedia article.
Here's a page with a picture of UH and some history:
http://tinyurl.com/mm5ttm
I'm feeling a bit nostalgic now.
Gene E. Bloch
>>> And *I* confused *you*? All I did was pull out an old Ray Jay
>>> Johnson beer commercial from <mumble> years ago.
>>>
>>> Mike "I think it was beer" Yetto
>>
>> Sorry about the confusion.
>>
>> No, actually not :-)
>>
>> In truth, I'm too old to drink mediocre beer. With my memory, though, I
>> need to keep a list of some brands I like and some that I don't, so that I
>> get the right stuff at the store.
>>
>> When I was an undergraduate, we used to buy Yankee Premium Beer at 99
>> cents/quart. We call it "Yankee Pischke Wasser", which was either fake or
>> real Yiddish for what we thought the beer tasted like.
>>
>> It was the cheapest brew around and we hardly cared about the quality...
>>
>> I'm curious now: is this subthread OT? Just askin'.
>>
>
> Should we add [Ruppert Knickerbocker] to the Subject: line?
>
> Mike "3 quarts for a dollar? that can't be right" Yetto
Or: Three quarts for Muster Mart!
I'll see you and raise you one Coors Lite.
(Full disclosure: I had to Google for Ruppert Knickerbocker. And I'm going
back to St Pauli Girl or something. Enough already.)