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Mike
this? Downloads, settings, ...or what? Why does this even exist?
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Dennis Calhoun
>So far, this sucks, because it looks like code. What is needed to change
>this? Downloads, settings, ...or what? Why does this even exist?
Exactly what "this" are you referring to?
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Mike
instance when sending email I am given the choice to send in "plain text" or
"html". And sometimes when downloading messages or pictures all I see is a
bunch of jiberesh that looks like some sort of code, is that the html I was
referring too? If so, how do you set up your cp to decode this? Thanks, Mike
"Dennis Calhoun" <dcal...@blomand.net> wrote in message
news:nnq.ggii1vsboj55ool...@4ax.com...
Elector
"Mike" <car...@motion.net> wrote in message news:nnq.v1k2a...@corp.supernews.com...
> I think I'm referring to html, even though I don't know any thing about. For
> instance when sending email I am given the choice to send in "plain text" or
> "html". And sometimes when downloading messages or pictures all I see is a
> bunch of jiberesh that looks like some sort of code, is that the html I was
> referring too? If so, how do you set up your cp to decode this? Thanks, Mike
> "Dennis Calhoun" <dcal...@blomand.net> wrote in message
Your talking about viewing and sending mail and news messages as HTML (Hyper Text Markup
Language) in Outlook Express which you are using do this:
Tools-Options-Send
At the bottom of the screen you will see the radio buttons for Mail & News and you need
only check the buttons as to "Plain text" or "html" you may also want to go to:
Tools-Options-Read
And make sure the "read all mail as plain text is unchecked"
Please note that having HTML on can and has been known to send "form get" commands to
spammers who send their drek in HTML reading the mail and news totally in plain text
defeats this as well as a good anti-virus program that doesn't allow this sort of mail
from being sent or viewed.
I hope that helped?
Elector
Brian Bay
Mike wrote:
>
> I think I'm referring to html, even though I don't know any thing about. For
> instance when sending email I am given the choice to send in "plain text" or
> "html".
Use PLAIN TEXT. HTML (hyper text markup language) is heavily
frowned in usenet and emails. HTML is for the web only. Why
Microsoft and AOL/Netscape (AOL owns Netscape Communications)
included it in their email/news clients is beyond me. I beat up
anyone who sends me emails with html in them because of the
potential for virus infections and rogue Visual Basic Scripting
files. (*.VBS) I tend to overlook AOL since they really can't
help it. Especially when I have told them in the past what they
are doing. I also tell everyone to not to top post but I still
get emails with top posts. :( (posting reply above previous
email/usenet posting) Outlook Express also has the reputation of
being used by newbies.
> And sometimes when downloading messages or pictures all I see is a
> bunch of jiberesh that looks like some sort of code, is that the html I was
> referring too? If so, how do you set up your cp to decode this? Thanks, Mike
I'd have to see an example of what your refering to in order to
comment. If its a picture, you could be seeing a uuencoded file
attachment. You could search the internet for a program
uu__code.zip Its a dos program for uudecoding uuencoded files. It
also has a uuencoding part. There may be a Windows equivelent
now. Copy and paste me a copy this "code" your refering too and
send it to me by email.
While I await your reply to the above, I'd strongly recommend you
get away from Outlook Express because of Microsoft's Visual Basic
Scripting Host as its a virus magnet. It has some nice anti-spam
features in it but I keep hearing of people getting bitten by
viruses more with OE than with other programs. I'd recommend
Eudora, Pegasus, Forte/Free Agent. I use Netscape but it tends to
be a bit of a memory hog but does things the way I'd want. I
haven't gotten bitten once in the ten years I've been on the
internet. Netscape hides stuff like Klez and Bugbear and the only
way you know you got it is when you get an empty email body and
htmlized headers and I read the "view source" and see gibberish
that looks like a uuencoded file and usually it has an executible
file attachment name displayed.
--Cheers,
Brian
Mike
Timo Salmi
> "Mike" <car...@motion.net> wrote in message news:nnq.v1k2a...@corp.supernews.com...
> > I think I'm referring to html, even though I don't know any thing about. For
> Your talking about viewing and sending mail and news messages as HTML (Hyper Text Markup
> Language) in Outlook Express which you are using do this:
> Tools-Options-Send
That was very sound and informative advice. Some more similar
words at http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/nobin.html#html
Now, additionally, one might also consider one's right margins in
posting to the news. Here is more on that aspect:
Of suitable right margins
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/margin.html
All the best, Timo
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Timo's FAQ materials at http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/tsfaq.html
Rodger Whitlock
wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> >
> > I think I'm referring to html, even though I don't know any thing about. For
> > instance when sending email I am given the choice to send in "plain text" or
> > "html".
>
> Use PLAIN TEXT. HTML (hyper text markup language) is heavily
> frowned in usenet and emails. HTML is for the web only.
Uhhmmmmmm, I don't quite agree with that last remark. IOW, you're
right, but not entirely. HTML was, afaik, invented as part of the
World Wide Web (to give its full name). The key element in it is
that one document (file) can have embedded links to other
documents. These documents need not be on the web; I've often set
up small groups of HTML files on my local hard drive, but
admittedly with the idea of eventually migrating them to the web.
(The world has so far been spared this catastrophe.)
You can think of HTML as simply another way of representing
textual information. Others include, of course, plain text, RTF
(rich text format), PDF (Portable Document Format), and the
mostly-undocumented file formats used by various word processing
programs such as WordPerfect and Wurd.
Several things distinguish HTML from all these other formats:
1. The embedded links.
2. HTML is defined by a published standard.
3. HTML describes document *structure*.
The many bells and whistles that have been added to HTML since
its earliest forms are largely (but not entirely) attempts to
turn it into a "page layout" language, akin to word processing
file formats.
The <font> tag is a particularly egregious example of this kind
of extension; if you remove all the <font> tags from an HTML
document, esp. those created by various HTML editors, the file
size drops a surprising amount. This makes me laugh because you
can never be sure what fonts are on any given computer. On my own
computer, I am partial to using Lucida Sans and Lucida Sans
Typewriter, and rarely use Arial or Times New Roman. I'm not even
sure if Arial and TNR are installed right now!
Brian's right about HTML being frowned upon in usenet and emails,
but it's really important to understand that there are good
reasons for this. The frowning is not a bunch of old codgers in
an ivory tower getting their knickers in knot because someone has
dared to enhance their invention. It is not the reaction of
people who resist change.
Usenet and email were invented to handle *short* *text* messages.
Email has the further capability of handling attached files, but
usenet knoweth not the concept of an attachment. (Microsoft made
a mistake when they thought it did. Bellevue arrogance strikes
again.)
Using HTML in usenet and email has several negative consequences.
Brian has mentioned some of these, but the one that I think is
important is that HTML-ized messages are several times bigger
than they would be in plain text format. In my experience this
ballooning is badly aggravated by the use of HTML features aimed
toward page layout. Some of the stuff generated by MS software is
riddled with unnecessary <div> tags to divide lines. Why they
don't use <p> or, even better, <pre> to preserve line breaks is a
mystery.
> Why
> Microsoft and AOL/Netscape (AOL owns Netscape Communications)
> included it in their email/news clients is beyond me.
Not to me. I have superior powers of intuitive insight. It's a
simple combination of arrogance and the idea that a superficial
acquaintance with a body of knowledge makes you an expert
practitioner.
> I beat up
> anyone who sends me emails with html in them because of the
> potential for virus infections and rogue Visual Basic Scripting
> files. (*.VBS)
I just use an old version of Pegasus that knoweth not HTML except
to invoke a web browser for display -- and the invocation is at
my option. I also use an old 16-bit OS (Windows for Workgroups)
that is immune to the current crop of scripting viruses.
Going back to HTML being for the web only, I can't agree. It's a
very handy tool for organizing files that you want to hop around
among, even if (as in my case) they are only on your hard drive.
As a way of structuring a document, it works fairly well, and
even the primitive layout features that I have dissed above can
come in handy. Because it is standardized, it provides a
cross-platform medium for information exchange. Just try sending
a Wurd file to someone using Linux!
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Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada