Bogus newsgroups created?
Christopher Stone
Has somebody sent out a whole slew of newgroup messages for bogus
newsgroups over the past day or two? Today at Princeton I logged on and
found myself being asked whether I wanted to add a number of bogus
newsgroups to my .newsrc, including soc.culture.azeri, soc.culture.basque,
soc.culture.armenia, soc.culture.kashmir, sci.scientology, soc.sex, and a
*long* list of others.
Princeton hasn't made a policy of carrying such unofficial newsgroups in
the past; they usually follow Tale's commands. Furthermore, it seems more
than coincidental that the newsgroups that appeared are all the subject
of controversies currently raging in news.groups.
Might someone have forged a newgroup command in Tale's name?
Tim Skirvin
>Might someone have forged a newgroup command in Tale's name?
Lots of them, yes.
Tale has also said that rmgroups will be issued. Of course, he
also noted that many will be recreated later, after they've gone through
the proper RFD/CFV process...
- Tim Skirvin (tski...@uiuc.edu)
--
<a href="http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin">Skirv's Homepage</a>
<a href="http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/daemons/">The Daemons</a>
Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq
On Thu, 4 Apr 1996, Christopher Stone wrote:
> Might someone have forged a newgroup command in Tale's name?
should've been a dead giveaway if nothing else); I don't think tale's
genuine posts go thru in1 (although the last two allegedly from him on NAN
did, but that may have been forge-injected as well).
--
Zoli fek...@bc.edu, keeper of <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>
<'finger hungarian-...@hix.mit.edu'>
NOTE: spamsters and bulk emailers see 'X-Policy*:' in the
header for the charges to be imposed for net abuse!
KC2: Dudley+ (Grubor+)*2 (Fomin+++)/3 (cjames++)*3
Iatskovski- (Petersen--)/2
SELLERS BEWARE: I will never buy anything from companies associated
with inappropriate online advertising (unsolicited commercial email,
excessive multiposting etc), and discourage others from doing so too!
Christopher B. Stone
that someone did indeed forge a message from Tale creating dozens of
bogus newsgroups.
It seems that virtually every RFD currently on the table was created,
including soc.culture.kashmir and soc.culture.belarus. I've no idea how
the forger got wind of soc.culture.belarus, since I am still mentoring
that group.
Can we get a definitive list of the bogus newsgroups created -- the
Princeton newsadmin at least will delete them.
--
Chris Stone
cbs...@phoenix.princeton.edu * http://www.princeton.edu/~cbstone
"Isolationism must become a thing of the past." -- Harry S. Truman
firebug
Christopher B. Stone <cbs...@tucson.princeton.edu> wrote:
>It seems that virtually every RFD currently on the table was created,
>including soc.culture.kashmir and soc.culture.belarus. I've no idea how
>the forger got wind of soc.culture.belarus, since I am still mentoring
>that group.
Worth noting also are talk.politics.natl-socialism, while an RFD has not yet
come out under that name, and the newsgroups line for
news.admin.net-abuse.forged-cancels, "All forged cancels are net-abuse".
I disagree with the idea I've seen that this was done by nazis (or neo-nazis
or anything of the sort). It doesn't seem like their style (and rmw-p wasn't
created), and the "I have a right to forge newgroups from tale" and "All
forged cancels are net-abuse" attitude seems more like one of the anti-cabal
warriors. But then, I think the anti-cabal warriors lack the (minimal)
amount of skill required to pull this off.
rec.fag-bashing, soc.org.kkk, and sci.eugenics are probably just meant to be
funny (and maybe even satirical). Other funny groups include
rec.autos.makers.yugo, sci.alchemy, talk.religion.satanism, and my personal
favorite, soc.support.abuse.internet.
This seems to be a prank by someone with no real agenda.
>Can we get a definitive list of the bogus newsgroups created -- the
>Princeton newsadmin at least will delete them.
Don't you guys get the control pseudo-group there? The bogus newgroup
messages are easy to identify. Tale has sent out a slew of rmgroups but I
don't know if he got them all or not (I didn't check). Here's the list of
the 157 bogus groups:
biz.mlm
comp.archives.ms-windows
comp.bbs.powerbbs
comp.data.administration
comp.databases.rbase
comp.dcom.net-analysis
comp.doc.management
comp.graphics.apps.ghostscript
comp.hackers
comp.infosystems.www.marketplace
comp.lang.algol
comp.lang.clarion
comp.lang.clu
comp.lang.pascal.delphi.advocacy
comp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.misc
comp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.usage
comp.lang.pascal.delphi.components.writing
comp.lang.plb
comp.lang.simula
comp.lang.snobol
comp.lang.vrml
comp.os.os2.admin
comp.security.pgp
comp.soft-sys.stat.systat
comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.gus
comp.sys.psion.misc
comp.unix.cde
humanities.lit.authors.lewis-carrol
humanities.lit.authors.mencken
humanities.philosophy.objectivism
misc.activism.cannabis
misc.consumers.house.homeowner-assn
misc.forsale.wanted
misc.invest.asset-management
misc.invest.commodities
misc.invest.emerging
misc.invest.fixed-income
misc.invest.forex
misc.invest.index-futures
misc.invest.options
misc.invest.precious-metals
misc.invest.stocks.penny
misc.jobs.discuss.job-search
misc.jobs.discuss.workplace
news.admin.net-abuse.blacklists
news.admin.net-abuse.forged-cancels
news.admin.net-abuse.mailbombing
rec.arts.architecture
rec.arts.sf.dune
rec.arts.sf.written.m-lackey
rec.autos.makers.jaguar
rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
rec.autos.makers.mazda.miata
rec.autos.makers.mg
rec.autos.makers.triumph
rec.autos.makers.yugo
rec.aviation.aerobatics
rec.aviation.seaplane
rec.collecting.absolut
rec.collecting.books
rec.collecting.ornaments
rec.crafts.carving
rec.crafts.rubberstamps
rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace
rec.fag-bashing
rec.food.baking
rec.food.equipment
rec.food.marketplace
rec.games.computer.quake.playing
rec.games.programmer
rec.music.artists.kiss
rec.music.artists.neil-young
rec.music.artists.rage-machine
rec.music.artists.trish-yearwood
rec.music.classical.contemporary
rec.music.phish.tickets
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying
rec.pets.alligators
rec.pets.pigs.potbellied
rec.radio.amateur.dx
rec.scouting.girl
rec.scouting.guide
rec.scouting.issues
rec.scouting.misc
rec.sex
rec.sport.hovercraft
rec.sport.jetski
rec.sport.lawnbowling
rec.sport.pigeons
rec.sport.shooting.coaching
sci.alchemy
sci.astrology.hindu
sci.astrology.misc
sci.engr.dredging
sci.engr.electrical.compliance
sci.eugenics
sci.med.diseases.mental
sci.med.diseases.musc-dystrophy
sci.med.diseases.osteoporosis
sci.med.diseases.rabies
sci.med.diseases.viral
sci.med.ob-gyn
sci.med.radiology.interventional
sci.military.vehicles
sci.numerology
sci.sociology
soc.culture.armenian
soc.culture.azeri
soc.culture.basque
soc.culture.bavarian
soc.culture.belarus
soc.culture.corsican
soc.culture.czech
soc.culture.eritrean
soc.culture.ethiopia
soc.culture.galician
soc.culture.honduras
soc.culture.indian.bihar
soc.culture.indian.orissa
soc.culture.indian.rajasthan
soc.culture.indian.telugu
soc.culture.indian.uttar-pradesh
soc.culture.jamaican
soc.culture.kashmir
soc.culture.kazakh
soc.culture.kyrgyz
soc.culture.multicultural
soc.culture.provence
soc.culture.prussian
soc.culture.sardinian
soc.culture.sicilian
soc.culture.slovak
soc.culture.somali
soc.culture.sri-lankan
soc.culture.tajik
soc.culture.tatar
soc.culture.tibet
soc.culture.uighur
soc.genealogy.african
soc.genealogy.west-indies
soc.org.al-anon
soc.org.freemasons
soc.org.guardian-angels
soc.org.kkk
soc.support.abuse.domestic
soc.support.abuse.internet
soc.support.abuse.rape
soc.support.abuse.sexual
talk.bizarre.funny
talk.forgery
talk.politics.assassination
talk.politics.internet
talk.politics.marxism
talk.politics.natl-socialism
talk.politics.rent-control
talk.religion.satanism
talk.religion.scientology
Bill Aten
In article <4k0pql$n...@cnn.Princeton.EDU>,
Christopher B. Stone <cbs...@tucson.princeton.edu> wrote:
>I just received an e-mail message from the postmaster at Princeton saying
>that someone did indeed forge a message from Tale creating dozens of
>bogus newsgroups.
[ ... ]
>Can we get a definitive list of the bogus newsgroups created -- the
>Princeton newsadmin at least will delete them.
There were actually 158 newgroup messages sent out, but 4 were for groups
that officially exist and should not be removed. For the record, Tale has
already issued rmgroup messages for all of these bogus groups.
Many of the newsgroups in the following list are currently either in the
RFD or CFV phase of creation, so there is a very real possibility that
some of these proposed newsgroups will be officially created in the coming
weeks. Until such time, however, they do not officially belong in the
Big 8 hierarchy and should be removed.
Here's the list of 154 newsgroups that are bogus and should be removed:
biz.mlm
comp.archives.ms-windows
comp.bbs.powerbbs
comp.data.administration
comp.databases.rbase
comp.dcom.net-analysis
comp.doc.management
comp.graphics.apps.ghostscript
comp.hackers
comp.infosystems.www.marketplace
comp.lang.algol
comp.lang.clarion
rec.music.artists.journey
soc.culture.indian.uttar-pradesh
soc.culture.jamaican
soc.culture.kashmir
soc.culture.kazakh
soc.culture.kyrgyz
soc.culture.multicultural
soc.culture.provence
soc.culture.prussian
soc.culture.sardinian
soc.culture.sicilian
soc.culture.slovak
soc.culture.somali
soc.culture.sri-lankan
soc.culture.tajik
soc.culture.tatar
soc.culture.tibet
soc.culture.uighur
soc.genealogy.west-indies
soc.org.al-anon
soc.org.freemasons
soc.org.guardian-angels
soc.org.kkk
soc.support.abuse.domestic
soc.support.abuse.internet
soc.support.abuse.rape
soc.support.abuse.sexual
talk.bizarre.funny
talk.forgery
talk.politics.assassination
talk.politics.internet
talk.politics.marxism
talk.politics.natl-socialism
talk.politics.rent-control
talk.religion.satanism
talk.religion.scientology
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.2
iQCVAwUBMWXmgtehwysgjrp9AQFsvAQAopgqrxb0YVPlgADrnUrMDblvXF5Ls5aE
erPRtAJbKE+tc+3GVFLgqrDSmsCC7hyF//S4zTf2+ZAOzmyidPB06KLKReciE2eP
deGXXjR9VKOJ9orrTS+m2e0k+46Gd9p2Lz+biwi6/jbztFTInEJw4zgOaZ32cC8t
VWzzWcGfxZQ=
=B827
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
--
Bill Aten <bi...@netagw.com> Member of UVV
Bill Aten
In article <DpF8n...@netagw.com>, Bill Aten <bi...@netagw.com> wrote:
>
>There were actually 158 newgroup messages sent out, but 4 were for groups
>that officially exist and should not be removed. For the record, Tale has
>already issued rmgroup messages for all of these bogus groups.
I left one forged newgroup message out of the previous listing. This one
showed up this morning (April 5th). It also carried a Date: header of
April 1st, but the posting time differed from the previous 158 messages
(ie. 18:37:43 EST vs 11:11:11 GMT).
The following newsgroup is also bogus and should be removed:
news.admin.policy
Tale posted a rmgroup message this morning with the following comment:
# news.admin.policy has been superseded by news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
# an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 442:91
# as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 4 Apr 1995.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.2
iQCVAwUBMWXvQdehwysgjrp9AQHZnAQAp7ooC/gnrZPstubqZZkpw0qlutm7YbyL
AcfsbfLCcue0ETIbWc75/g6gfKbNz6LHVvIZAMnxf54OMXHydZf1T1yOL//UAdvm
+eDl3L9EEU/gncfId/Au9ud/nK6vQiGFPDFxVl3m08JF5OsUU2/hWx5+C45OEDQS
yhq2EmTIUUI=
=0VYq
Ron Newman
>There were actually 158 newgroup messages sent out, but 4 were for groups
>that officially exist and should not be removed. For the record, Tale has
>already issued rmgroup messages for all of these bogus groups.
Which four are these?
--
Ron Newman rne...@cybercom.net
Web: http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/home.html
Stephen Boursy
>that officially exist and should not be removed. For the record, Tale has
>already issued rmgroup messages for all of these bogus groups.
Oh really! Many more of them exist--you Cabal boys just don't
like that. 'Tale' is David Lawrence of UUnet which is a publically
traided US Corporation trying to control what they are obligated
to compete on--newsgroups--the primary product of the usenet. ISP's
may not conspire concerning product availablity.
Anyone who is enjoying any of the groups below should be aware
that UUnet is trying to take away your right to enjoy them in violation
of US Anti-Trust law. Please contact the US Justice Department and
request from your ISP that they not work in cooperation with their
competition--that is very illegal.
Steve
Ken Sallenger
Ron Newman <rne...@kalypso.cybercom.net> wrote:
=> In article <DpF8n...@netagw.com>, Bill Aten <bi...@netagw.com> wrote:
=> >There were actually 158 newgroup messages sent out, but 4 were for groups
=> >that officially exist and should not be removed.
=> Which four are these?
In short:
rec.games.programmer Discussion of adventure game programming.
soc.culture.indian.telugu The culture of the Telugu people of India.
soc.genealogy.african Genealogy of Africa and the African Diaspora.
comp.lang.clu The CLU language & related topics.
comp.lang.clu is an inet-distribution group. See tale's "Alternative
newsgroup hierarchies" postings for info.
See the related thread "Re: April Fool's Joke (bogus newgroups)" which
began elsewhere (news.admin.misc, I think). I had put up the list
of newgroups I received, but failed to identify the valid groups.
That has been corrected as of this morning.
ftp://bigbird.csd.sc.edu/pub/usenet/Bogus_Newgroups
...also the files Bogus_Newgroups.README and Bogus_Newgroups.Valid
--
Ken Sallenger / k...@sc.edu / 803 777-9335
Computer Services Division / Univ. of South Carolina, Columbia SC
sy...@manus.org
> In article <DpF8n...@netagw.com>, Bill Aten <bi...@netagw.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >There were actually 158 newgroup messages sent out, but 4 were for groups
> >that officially exist and should not be removed. For the record, Tale has
> >already issued rmgroup messages for all of these bogus groups.
> Oh really! Many more of them exist--you Cabal boys just don't
> like that. 'Tale' is David Lawrence of UUnet which is a publically
> traided US Corporation trying to control what they are obligated
> to compete on--newsgroups--the primary product of the usenet. ISP's
> may not conspire concerning product availablity.
Yes, ALL of those ISPs who follow tale are in a LOT of trouble.
UUnet must be KILLED right now as the controlling entity of
Usenet! The PEOPLE are creating a Socialist Revolution on
Usenet at this very moment!
> Anyone who is enjoying any of the groups below should be aware
> that UUnet is trying to take away your right to enjoy them in violation
> of US Anti-Trust law. Please contact the US Justice Department and
> request from your ISP that they not work in cooperation with their
> competition--that is very illegal.
Very illegal. No ISP should take the chance of being charged
in collusion with tale/Cavid C. Lawrence/UUnet.
> Steve
--
Brett Hawn [NOL Staff]
:
: Anyone who is enjoying any of the groups below should be aware
: that UUnet is trying to take away your right to enjoy them in violation
: of US Anti-Trust law. Please contact the US Justice Department and
: request from your ISP that they not work in cooperation with their
: competition--that is very illegal.
:
: Steve
Anyone who's actually paying attention to this moron.. I congratulate you on
being even more pathetic than Boursey.
--
Brett L. Hawn
Masochist in an Admin's clothing
Stephen Boursy
Repost of an article that was cancelled by uunet/David Lawrence
via forgery.
Steve
In article <DpG6u...@world.std.com>,
David E. Fox
>In article <DpF8n...@netagw.com>, Bill Aten <bi...@netagw.com> wrote:
> Anyone who is enjoying any of the groups below should be aware
>that UUnet is trying to take away your right to enjoy them in violation
>of US Anti-Trust law. Please contact the US Justice Department and
Silly. Those groups were voted to be removed because of newsgroup
reorganization by due process. There is no reason to bring them back.
It does not look good for any ISP to keep around groups that no
longer exist.
> Steve
Since this is a news.admin issue, and news.admin.policy doesn't
exist, I've set followups to news.admin.misc.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
David E. Fox Tax Thanks for lettimg me
df...@belvdere.vip.best.com the change magnetic patterns
ro...@belvedere.sbay.org churches on your hard disk.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen Boursy
David E. Fox <df...@belvdere.vip.best.com> wrote:
>In article <DpG6u...@world.std.com>, Stephen Boursy wrote:
>
>
>> Anyone who is enjoying any of the groups below should be aware
>>that UUnet is trying to take away your right to enjoy them in violation
>>of US Anti-Trust law. Please contact the US Justice Department and
>
>
>reorganization by due process. There is no reason to bring them back.
>
Nonsense. news.admin.policy has been a very active group
highly critical of uunet.
>It does not look good for any ISP to keep around groups that no
>longer exist.
Odd. UUnet felt so threatened by news.admin.policy that
they made it moderated two days ago and are now forging cancels of
all critical posts to that group. For the time being we're using
news.admin.censorship instead.
>
>Since this is a news.admin issue, and news.admin.policy doesn't
>exist, I've set followups to news.admin.misc.
>
You're full of shit Mr. Fox.
Steve
Christopher B. Stone
Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>In article <slrn4mfqu...@belvdere.vip.best.com>,
>David E. Fox <df...@belvdere.vip.best.com> wrote:
>>Silly. Those groups were voted to be removed because of newsgroup
>>reorganization by due process. There is no reason to bring them back.
> Nonsense. news.admin.policy has been a very active group
>highly critical of uunet.
You know, there is absolutely *nothing* to prevent you from submitting an
RFD to re-establish news.admin.policy, if you want.
George Herbert
> Repost of an article that was cancelled by uunet/David Lawrence
>via forgery.
This is either an intentional lie or the most clueless poster in the world.
The article has not been cancelled.
-george william herbert
George Herbert
>George Herbert <gher...@crl.com> wrote:
>>Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>>> Repost of an article that was cancelled by uunet/David Lawrence
>>>via forgery.
>>
>>The article has not been cancelled.
>
>articles posted since Thursday to news.admin.policy have in some cases
>been cancelled--in others delivery intentionally delayed for 3 days.
>UUnet is doing this because news.admin.policy has been highly critical
>of them and their stock is rapidly declining.
Steve, apparently you aren't reading what I'm actually posting here.
The one which was 'reposted' was not cancelled. It was not delayed.
It was in chronological sequence for articles posted that day,
and still active, on CRL and Netcom's servers. It is not technically
possible for UUNet to arrange to delay some articles; innd tends to
propogate articles around secondary and tertiary paths so fast these
days that lots of articles are spread worldwide within minutes, and
have tens to hundreds of alternate paths to major servers.
Unless your server arranged for news.admin.policy to be a moderated
newsgroup (which you can check... grep news.admin.policy /usr/lib/news/active)
then the message would only touch uunet in normal propogation, and even
if they sat on it would be distributed by other servers normally and
with no delays. *IF* your site has created it as moderated, then the
postings would be sent to the moderators.uu.net approval address which
is the default alias for all moderated groups... except that it's actually
20 sites mx-aliased, not an actual machine at UUNet anymore. And that
would be the World's news managers fault, not Tales.
What you are claiming is going on is not supported by the evidence
reaching the west coast out here; some of what you are claiming is
simply not possible. Please do your homework and have some evidence
next time.
-george
Stephen Boursy
>Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>>via forgery.
>
>The article has not been cancelled.
>
>
>
Well it is you that I suspect that is being dishonest. The
articles posted since Thursday to news.admin.policy have in some cases
been cancelled--in others delivery intentionally delayed for 3 days.
UUnet is doing this because news.admin.policy has been highly critical
of them and their stock is rapidly declining.
UUnet is a publically traded corporation in the internet access
business and may not control news groups which is the primary product
of the internet. They and all other US providers have an obligation to
compete on such things.
Until this matter is corrected all posts are now being made
to news.admin.censorship and fowarded separately to news.admin.policy.
Steve
Daniel B. Holzman
Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>
> UUnet is a publically traded corporation in the internet access
>business and may not control news groups which is the primary product
>of the internet. They and all other US providers have an obligation to
>compete on such things.
Quick -- someone clue Stevey in about the Web.
--
Daniel B. Holzman -- Love does not subtract, it multiplies. -- All acts of love
and pleasure are Her rituals. -- An it Harm none, do what you Will. -- They
took my name and stole my heritage, but they didn't get my goat. -- The
word is all of us. -- Remember the Twelth Commandment and keep it Wholly.
Mark Phaedrus
>Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>> Repost of an article that was cancelled by uunet/David Lawrence
>>via forgery.
>
>This is either an intentional lie or the most clueless poster in the world.
What makes you think it can't be both?
--
\o\ If you're interested in books/stories with transformation themes,\o\
\o\please try <URL:http://www.halcyon.com/phaedrus/Menu.html>, or \o\
/o/anonymous-ftp to ftp.halcyon.com in /local/phaedrus/translist. /o/
/o/ Comments and submissions to this list are always welcome. /o/
Dave Ratcliffe
wrote:
- Odd. UUnet felt so threatened by news.admin.policy that
-they made it moderated two days ago and are now forging cancels of
-all critical posts to that group. For the time being we're using
-news.admin.censorship instead.
Prove it Steve. Show us the control meessage from Uunet that made a
non-existant group moderated.
What's truly amazing is that fresh out of the complaints from you and John
that tale "canceled" n.a.p. and the crowing that the honorable sites ignored
it, you now claim that those same honorable sites somehow lost all that
honor and accepted the control message changing the (non-existant) groups
status to moderated.
->Since this is a news.admin issue, and news.admin.policy doesn't
->exist, I've set followups to news.admin.misc.
-
- You're full of shit Mr. Fox.
Awww, you didn't used to be this way Steve. What happened?
--
Dave Ratcliffe da...@frackit.com
Cabal #Za35CFK Level 2 There IS no Cabal [tm]
Email to this account may be posted to the net
Aga
: On Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:34:13 GMT, bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy)
: wrote:
: - Odd. UUnet felt so threatened by news.admin.policy that
: -they made it moderated two days ago and are now forging cancels of
: -all critical posts to that group. For the time being we're using
: -news.admin.censorship instead.
: Prove it Steve. Show us the control meessage from Uunet that made a
: non-existant group moderated.
The control message coming from this site is that news.admin.policy
is a "moderated" group, and that my messages qwere being rejected.
: What's truly amazing is that fresh out of the complaints from you and John
: that tale "canceled" n.a.p. and the crowing that the honorable sites ignored
: it, you now claim that those same honorable sites somehow lost all that
: honor and accepted the control message changing the (non-existant) groups
: status to moderated.
: ->Since this is a news.admin issue, and news.admin.policy doesn't
: ->exist, I've set followups to news.admin.misc.
: -
: - You're full of shit Mr. Fox.
: Awww, you didn't used to be this way Steve. What happened?
Dou Do NOT censor Stephen Boursy and get away with it, Rat.
He now has a twelve-person Inetrnet Freedom Council doing
the monitoring of all UUnet sensorship.
Things will be changing real soon.
-aga
Alan Harder
> Things will be changing real soon.
> -aga
What? I cannot believe my eyes! "Things will be changing soon."
Does that mean you're going to stop spamming? Does it mean you're
going to stop acting like a parnoid delusional psychotic? This I
*have* to see.
-Alan Harder
a...@math.ams.org
I think, therefore you are.
The above commentary, which does not *even* represent the opinion of
the American Mathematical Society, is sold by weight, not by volume.
Some settling of the contents may have occurred during shipping.
Stephen Boursy
>Dave Ratcliffe (da...@frackit.microserve.com) wrote:
>: On Sun, 7 Apr 1996 16:34:13 GMT, bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy)
>: wrote:
>:
>: - Odd. UUnet felt so threatened by news.admin.policy that
>: -they made it moderated two days ago and are now forging cancels of
>: -all critical posts to that group. For the time being we're using
>: -news.admin.censorship instead.
>
>
>: Prove it Steve. Show us the control meessage from Uunet that made a
>: non-existant group moderated.
>
It's been proven Dave. Now admit you were wrong, apolgize, etc.
In the same message UUNet is saying news.admin.policy does not exist
yet is claiming that it is now moderated. That's illogical Dave--even
stupid.
>
>The control message coming from this site is that news.admin.policy
>is a "moderated" group, and that my messages qwere being rejected.
>
Yes--would you like a copy Dave--UUnet and David Lawerence
bombed the shit out of my mailbox after I starting pointing out their
anti-trust activity. The only way I got them to stop was by returning
the stuff to their chief exec. Next time its going directly to major
UUNet customers and partners in anti-trust crime--like Bass Ale.
>
>: Awww, you didn't used to be this way Steve. What happened?
>
>Dou Do NOT censor Stephen Boursy and get away with it, Rat.
>
>He now has a twelve-person Inetrnet Freedom Council doing
>the monitoring of all UUnet sensorship.
>
>Things will be changing real soon.
>
>-aga
Oh--very soon. UUnets stock is falling through the floor
anyway and quite a few sys admins have emailed me telling me the
Lawrence/UUnet influence is very much on the decline--this will help
put them over the edge--we saw how desparate they became with
news.admin.policy and Lawrence revealed publically exactly what type
of a slime he is (he's a chief stock holder and high level exec.
at UUnet).
Please observe the boycott of UUnet customers including Bass
Ale and Computerworld.
Steve
news.admin.censorship
CyberZando
writes:
UUnet's recreational.drugs.chemistry (HARD DRugs) that UUnet just put
on Usenet. That means that really, Compuworld is pushing hard drugs on
the Internet, too.
> Steve
> news.admin.censorship
>
cyber
> So who appointed the "Internet Freedom Council"? If you took a vote,
> I sure didn't see it. You wouldn't get mine, anyways.
>
"Appointed" people do not get voted on.
> Why should anyone trust the self-appointed IFC more than the current system?
>
Because we are the PEOPLE (users) and they are the newsadministrators.
It is us against them, till the death.
-aga
Eric G. Myers
<snip>
> >
> Well, since Computerworld is a customer of UUnet, then they support
> UUnet's recreational.drugs.chemistry (HARD DRugs) that UUnet just put
> on Usenet. That means that really, Compuworld is pushing hard drugs on
> the Internet, too.
>
<snip>
And, just to clarify, this is OK with you because to *not* carry this group (or any
other by your rationale) would be censorship, right?
I guess this has little to do with the group itself, but the above quote *could* be
interpreted as being against the rec.drugs group and I guess I had been reading the
particular slant that you were against *any* censorship. Right?
Just making sure.
EGM
--
1:1
Feeling litigious? Ask me about my disclaimer first.
The R.aving T.oy M.aniac Page
- http://utmdacc.mda.uth.tmc.edu:5014/eric/rtm/rtm.html
Includes: The FAQ, The Cool Toy Site of the Week, Toy Assortments,
The Custom Corner, The Largest Collection of Toy Links and more!
Eric G. Myers Internet: emy...@utmdacc.mda.uth.tmc.edu
David Veal
In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.9604...@dhp.com>,
cyber <a...@dhp.com> wrote:
>Because we are the PEOPLE (users) and they are the newsadministrators.
>It is us against them, till the death.
All things being equal, I think I'd wager on the people with the
admin passwords...
--
David Veal lve...@utk.edu / ve...@web.ce.utk.edu
"Any smoothly functioning technology will be
indistinguishable from a rigged demo." - Isaac Asimov
M.Buchenrieder
>On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Chris Camfield wrote:
>> So who appointed the "Internet Freedom Council"? If you took a vote,
>> I sure didn't see it. You wouldn't get mine, anyways.
>>
>"Appointed" people do not get voted on.
>> Why should anyone trust the self-appointed IFC more than the current system?
>>
>Because we are the PEOPLE (users) and they are the newsadministrators.
>It is us against them, till the death.
>-aga
What - another Grubor morph ?
*plonk*
Michael
--
* Michael Buchenrieder * mi...@scrum.muc.de / mi...@scrum.greenie.muc.de *
**************************************************************************
* "Real computer scientists don't program in assembler. They don't write *
* in anything less portable than a number two pencil." *
Gardner S Trask
>Well, since Computerworld is a customer of UUnet, then they support
>UUnet's recreational.drugs.chemistry (HARD DRugs) that UUnet just put
>on Usenet. That means that really, Compuworld is pushing hard drugs on
>the Internet, too.
Then by this same exact logic, because world.std.com carries the
rec.drug.* and alt.drug.* hierarchy, if say, Steve Boursey was a
customer of world.std.com, then:
That means that really, Compuworld^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Steve Boursey is
pushing hard drugs on the Internet, too.
Is this logic somehow flawed?
--
Gardner S. Trask III tr...@world.std.com
"First .cultured man on the Internet" alt.culture.gard-trask
rah...@sonic.net - Elf of the redwoods, sez "I don't crosspost.
I post Followups to other people's Crossposted posts on occasion."
Tim Skirvin
>>-aga
>What - another Grubor morph ?
I'm still keeping up a list of them, in most standard killfile
formats. http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/global/ has them all to
date (plus Boursy-morphs).
- Tim Skirvin (tski...@uiuc.edu)
--
<a href="http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin">Skirv's Homepage</a>
<a href="http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/tskirvin/daemons/">The Daemons</a>
David Wright
#Yes, ALL of those ISPs who follow tale are in a LOT of trouble.
# ... The PEOPLE are creating a Socialist Revolution on
#Usenet at this very moment!
Oh good - does that mean you're putting your money where your mouth is
and creating a new news net to compete with Usenet? That's what true
competition would mean. No doubt Dr. G would help too.
Usenet started in 1979 with just two sites; a new news net could do the
same. Then users could choose to subscribe to one net or the other, or
even both. Just like TV channels. If the users like it, it will grow.
UUNET grew because it provided good links to other sites at fair prices.
Set up your own equivalent to serve your own net and see if it does as well.
Regards,
David Wright
Bryan Ayers
CyberZando <za...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
:In <DpMtF...@world.std.com> bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy)
:writes:
:UUnet's recreational.drugs.chemistry (HARD DRugs) that UUnet just put
It is rec.drugs.chemistry and rec.drugs.smart are the new news
groups. Since these news groups have already passed by a ballot vote
it is time to stop the fraud. Rec.drugs.smart is for smart drugs that
are in nearly everyway the opposite of the street drugs of the WOSD.
The chemistry newsgroup is not for "hard drugs" whatever that means
everything from ephedrine to prozac, is discussed and it is more of
a techy newsgroup than the "hey cool lets shoot some heroine and smoke
some crack" newsgroup it has been represented as. At this point it
is idiotic to complain since these groups have passed. If usenet wants
a group to discuss hard drugs for example a rec.drugs.hard, thats fine
with me, but it doesn't have one so stop misrepresenting newsgroups to
advance a censorship agenda, that has no basis in reality.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
"O senseless man, who cannot possibly make a worm and yet will make
Gods by the dozen!" -- Michel de Montaigne (1533-92).
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
cyber
> So who appointed the "Internet Freedom Council"? If you took a vote,
> I sure didn't see it. You wouldn't get mine, anyways.
>
> Why should anyone trust the self-appointed IFC more than the current system?
>
Because the IFC is all USERS and NOT newsadministrators!
j...@levin.mv.com
Logic flies out the window when grouboursy walks in the door.
Stephen Boursy
David Wright <d...@bnr.co.uk> wrote:
>#Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) wrote:
>#
>#Yes, ALL of those ISPs who follow tale are in a LOT of trouble.
># ... The PEOPLE are creating a Socialist Revolution on
>#Usenet at this very moment!
>
Careful with the quotes Mr. Wright--those are not my words.
Steve
cyber
> So who appointed the "Internet Freedom Council"? If you took a vote,
> I sure didn't see it. You wouldn't get mine, anyways.
>
Now, no one would "vote" on any "appointment."
> Why should anyone trust the self-appointed IFC more than the current system?
>
Because WE are the users, and NOT the newsadministrators.
-aga
Andrea Chen
>Then by this same exact logic, because world.std.com carries the
>rec.drug.* and alt.drug.* hierarchy, if say, Steve Boursey was a
>customer of world.std.com, then:
> That means that really, Compuworld^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Steve Boursey is
>pushing hard drugs on the Internet, too.
>Is this logic somehow flawed?
Not in the least. I suggest we all report Mr. Boursy to Janet Reno.
We must protect our children!
-ac-
p.s. On the other hand if he would keep saying nice things about
Doctress Neutopia and agree to try out for the position of
Gaia Messiah, I say we should drop the charges.
Grantland
>p.s. On the other hand if he would keep saying nice things about
>Doctress Neutopia and agree to try out for the position of
>Gaia Messiah, I say we should drop the charges.
That position is taken.
Grantland
"Unbending intent and impeccability of spirit."
Defeat is just one -an- other obstacle in the tedious path to Victory.
FORGET about Socialism - it's Dead!
FUCK the CDA!
John E. and Joan M. Lavin
>
>>Well, since Computerworld is a customer of UUnet, then they support
>>the Internet, too.
>
>
>Then by this same exact logic, because world.std.com carries the
>rec.drug.* and alt.drug.* hierarchy, if say, Steve Boursey was a
>customer of world.std.com, then:
>
> That means that really, Compuworld^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Steve Boursey is
>pushing hard drugs on the Internet, too.
>
>
>
>Is this logic somehow flawed?
>
But then again, I started seeing these rainbows in 1967 in Height
Ashbury, and I see them every day since. I just wonder why no one else
sees them when I tell them to look. I just can't figure that out.
Andrea Chen
>>p.s. On the other hand if he would keep saying nice things about
>>Doctress Neutopia and agree to try out for the position of
>>Gaia Messiah, I say we should drop the charges.
> That position is taken.
Are you implying that you would make a better Gaia Messiah than
Boursy? And if the position is taken how come we havn't been
told about it? Is your name really Gertjan?
-ac-
Grantland
>mit...@iafrica.com (Grantland) writes:
Chen:
>> That position is taken.
> -ac-
"Implying"? "*Would* make"?
Come on now Andrea you professional naysayer you!
Who, pray, is Geertjan? He gets mentioned quite often.
Andrea Chen
> Who, pray, is Geertjan? He gets mentioned quite often.
Another South African like you and Schwann. I am beginning to
suspect a conspiracy.
This might explain why Boursy is dealing drugs on Usenet.
-ac-
Doctress Neutopia
: p.s. On the other hand if he would keep saying nice things about
: Doctress Neutopia and agree to try out for the position of
: Gaia Messiah, I say we should drop the charges.
I tried to reply to this three times on the machine at Genesis,
but it failed to post it. So I moved to this machine at GNU!
Anyway, Friday night it looks as if I might meet Steve Boursy
in Cambridge. I am going to a Show N Tell party if all works out.
Will let you know how it goes. Boursy does have a nice Internet
spirit? Do you think it will be embodied in his flesh?
yours,
neutopia
Doctress Neutopia
: Are you implying that you would make a better Gaia Messiah than
: Boursy? And if the position is taken how come we havn't been
: told about it? Is your name really Gertjan?
: -ac-
Grantland and Geertjan both seem to be in Africa.
But Grantland is not as empathic as Geertjan was
in his email. No, I don't think they are the same person.
Besides, I think Geertjan moved to Holland. I haven't seen
him on the Net in six months.
neutopia
Stephen Boursy
I am very much looking forward to Friday night Doctress.
Steve
Andrew S. Gurk Damick
: I am very much looking forward to Friday night Doctress.
:
:
: Steve
ALL RIGHT!! YEAH!! WHHOOOO!!!
--Gurk
--
Andrew S. "Gurk" Damick - Prophet of Smerp
Smerpology will make your teeth clean and white.
"I don't believe it...I'm MULTIDIMENSIONAL!!!"
-Smerp
Andrea Chen
>>>Anyway, Friday night it looks as if I might meet Steve Boursy
>>>in Cambridge. I am going to a Show N Tell party if all works out.
>>
>>>Will let you know how it goes. Boursy does have a nice Internet
>>>spirit? Do you think it will be embodied in his flesh?
>>>
>>>yours,
>>>neutopia
>>
>> I am very much looking forward to Friday night Doctress.
>If you fail to fully disclose where and when this event will take
>place, thus depriving the Internet from having this documented
>for posterity, you will be engaging in censorship of the worst kind.
>No self-respecting person would consider a meeting like this a private
>event.
I agree. If Steve turns out to be the Gaia Messiah the result will
be a team that Usenet will never forget. It will be a synergy that
will move them both to a new level of effectiveness in cyberspace.
Even if our hope for an earth saving cosmic meeting is dissapointed,
the increased cooperation should be interesting. As for details of
the meeting, we can be confident that the good Doctress will
enlighten us. Her posts can be found on alt.society.neutopia
or of that is not availible on your server in alt.cyberspace.
One hopes that some information on this historic meeting will
start to trickle in by Sunday.
-ac-
Deboursif1
>From: bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy)
>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:08:46 GMT
>Message-ID: <Dq24E...@world.std.com>
lesa...@worldnet.net
Dr. Jai Maharaj
In the article <4l4g8l$6...@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>,
of 18 Apr 1996 04:25:57 UTC,
neut...@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Doctress Neutopia) wrote:
> Andrea Chen (dben...@crl.com) wrote:
>> p.s. On the other hand if he would keep saying nice
>> things about Doctress Neutopia and agree to try out for
>> the position of Gaia Messiah, I say we should drop the
>> charges.
>
> I tried to reply to this three times on the machine at
> Genesis, but it failed to post it. So I moved to this
> machine at GNU! Anyway, Friday night it looks as if I might
> meet Steve Boursy in Cambridge. I am going to a Show N Tell
> party if all works out.
>
> Will let you know how it goes. Boursy does have a nice
> Internet spirit? Do you think it will be embodied in his
> flesh? yours, neutopia
He appears to be hard at work fighting oppression by a few.
He must have a benevolent Internet spirit.
"The victors called the revolution a triumph of liberty;
but now and then liberty, in the slogans of the strong,
means freedom from restraint in the exploitation of the
weak." - Will Durant
(Posted and E-Mailed because Jan Isley may forge-cancel it.)
Jai Maharaj <j...@mantra.com>
%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:%:% Om Shanti %:%:%
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.2
Comment: ftp://ftp.prairienet.org/pub/providers/pgp/pgpfaq.txt
iQCVAwUBMXfk3ulp/UA/8L65AQGzNAQArlswrWmGygyOsHt5aAJygPbqPCDnKHwO
+YzckVY9yv35jYPPGmBavv4miYMjw+8wzgFkMnJOHgCclI1MR7H1NY+xmZyaOMAI
IHUpjpxAAQ+aE903lJXfnla4GUmMs/SxnDGEPsW3UuJPALlAM1nwFdl2VCXPQdOK
Ahe8Zl86tHA=
=eTvd
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----