Chris Lewis and his sexual perversions
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
In article <Pine.GSO.3.94.960811170014.10615A-100000@haleakala>,
Sharon Westfall <wes...@aloha.net> writes:
>On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Dr. G -- CEO wrote:
>> wes...@aloha.net (Sharon Westfall) wrote:
>> well, the games that must stop are the cancellation games,
>> and this silly UVV/group advice system. I want to turn the whole
>> system over to a big Edu -- all the UVV shit.
>
>The UVV "shit" was started as a good thing. It needs refining, no doubt,
>but throwing out the whole system the way your cabal is doing it is more
>destructive than leaving it in place.
Sharon, I don't know where you got the idea that we're against the UVV, but
you're totally wrong. This simply isn't true. You should stop repeating the
lies that Chris Lewis (spit) posts, or you'll lose all your credibility.
We object to the UVV monopoly on running newsgroup creation votes. We believe
that the proponents should run the votes whenever they can. When they can't,
then UVV's help is greatly appreciated.
If the vote passes, only group proponents should post newgroup control article.
Ron Dipplod said about Jan Isley (spit) and Dan Hartung (spit): "Run one
crooked vote and you're out". These two crooks have run many rigged votes, and
engaged in forgery, homophobic spam, and other net-abuse, which was called
"reprehensible" by Emory University when they pulled Jan's plug in June.
Many other UVV members (like Jani Patokallio or Dave Cornejo or Warren
Lavallee) are very decent and honest people who donate their time to help
others and whose hard work is very much appreciated by the Freedom Knights.
>I'm not an ISP either. I'm just concerned about maintaining a usenet
>system that people can use. It's not the heat here that I'm so much, it's
>the consequences of them. Condoning actions that will cripple the systems
>and that people use to access the usenet just for the show will only serve
>to kill it.
Have you pledged to boycott NorTel to protest Chris Lewis's (spit) Usenet
forgeries, lies being broadcast to postmasters, and other net-abuse?
>John, I'm not stupid, and I'm not bullshitting you. The usenet may be a
>game to you, it may be a game to alot of others in this newsgroup. But
>it's not a soap-opera game to everyone using it.
Usenet used to be a good tool to discuss technical subjects. I used to be
able to discuss Sybase in comp.databases.sybase and oracle on c.d.oracle
and math on sci.math. Now all discussions are being stifled by censorous
assholes like Chris Lewis (spit), who are determined to destroy Usenet.
please boycott NorTel.
> *********************** PIYO __ PIYO *************************
> * Sharon Westfall / \ soc.culture.hawaii !!! *
> * wes...@aloha.net < ^ \ *
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Death to the Usenet Cabal!
Peter da Silva
In article <gRRksD1...@bwalk.dm.com>,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
> We object to the UVV monopoly on running newsgroup creation votes. We believe
> that the proponents should run the votes whenever they can. When they can't,
> then UVV's help is greatly appreciated.
You know, I happen to agree with you on this. And if you didn't go around
acting like a rabid camel spitting on everything you might actually get some
support for your position. But you and your kook cabal has so tainted the
very idea of reform that I've pretty much given up hope of anything happening
and I've gone off to try again with a whole new network.
> Usenet used to be a good tool to discuss technical subjects. I used to be
> able to discuss Sybase in comp.databases.sybase and oracle on c.d.oracle
> and math on sci.math. Now all discussions are being stifled by censorous
> assholes like Chris Lewis (spit), who are determined to destroy Usenet.
Chris Lewis is stifling discussion on comp.databases.sybase? How?
--
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Bailey Network Management 'U` Sugar Land, TX 77487-5013
+1 713 274 5180 "Har du kramat din varg idag?" USA
Bailey pays for my technical expertise. My opinions probably scare them
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
In article <4uprqu$s...@nuhou.aloha.net>,
wes...@aloha.net (Sharon Westfall) writes:
>[news.groups, news.admin.misc, soc.culture.russian,
>misc.news.internet.discuss, alt.culture.hawaii trimmed]
"Snecking" newsgroups is rude.
>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM (d...@bwalk.dm.com) wrote:
>: Sharon Westfall <wes...@aloha.net> writes:
>: >The UVV "shit" was started as a good thing. It needs refining, no doubt,
>: >but throwing out the whole system the way your cabal is doing it is more
>: >destructive than leaving it in place.
>:
>: Sharon, I don't know where you got the idea that we're against the UVV, but
>: you're totally wrong. This simply isn't true. You should stop repeating the
>: lies that Chris Lewis (spit) posts, or you'll lose all your credibility.
>
>I'm not repeating Chris Lewis' posts, Dimitri. These are my own
>observations. I'm sorry if I lost credibility to you because of it, but I
>think you lost credibility to me a long time ago when you called me
>one of those "ugly cabal women" for no reason.
Your rude behavior ("snecking" newsgroups et al) indicates that you have
an ugly mind. I can't tell over the Internet whether you've got the
looks to match, or even that you're really a woman and not a female
impersonator like the male prostitute Albert Vanderberg. "On the
Internet no one knows that you're a dog."
>: We object to the UVV monopoly on running newsgroup creation votes. We believe
>: that the proponents should run the votes whenever they can. When they can't,
>: then UVV's help is greatly appreciated.
>
>I guess when they can and can't would be very hard to define. It takes so
>little effort to accuse a proponent of stacking the votes, and thus
So what? Remember the misc.business.marketing vote? Even though it was
conducted by the UVV, the proponent used a variety of dirty tricks, like
collecting addresses from old vote mass-acks and e-mailing each one, and
solicitng votes and posting a pre-filled ballot on his WWW page. If he
tried this on his own, the vote would have been thrown out. Now his
fraud carries UVV's fraudulent stamp of approval.
>invalidating everything (I remember running a straw poll and getting
>accused of being too secretive because I didn't publish the voter
>names...)
The present mass-ack procedure is no longer adequate. The entire
ballots, including the Received: headers, must be made available for
public scrutiny on UUNET's FTP server.
> I appreciated the UVV's efforts when I was a proponent. He
>handled the voting very professionally. I'm sure if I had done it, I
>would have been accused of all sorts of treachery.
Given your propensity for repeating other people's lies, I'm not
surprised by your lack of credibility in others' eyes.
However the rigged votes conducted by Jan Isley (spit) have been more
fraudulent than anything a newsgroup proponent could come up with,
including even Kent Paul Dolan (the previous paradigm of vote fraud).
>: If the vote passes, only group proponents should post newgroup control article.
>
>I wouldn't know how...
It's no harder than posting an article with an "Approved:" header. Say,
you want to create a newsgroup called soc.culture.australian.aborigine.
Just post an article in news.groups and add these special headers:
Approved: yes
Newsgroups: newgroup soc.culture.australian.aborigine
The subject can be anything. The body should contain something like:
For your newsgroups file:
soc.culture.australian.aborigine(tab)Native Australians.
where (tab) is the tab character (^I).
That's how J.D.Falk newgrouped misc.activism.cannibals a few months ago.
>: Ron Dipplod said about Jan Isley (spit) and Dan Hartung (spit): "Run one
>: crooked vote and you're out". These two crooks have run many rigged votes, and
>: engaged in forgery, homophobic spam, and other net-abuse, which was called
>: "reprehensible" by Emory University when they pulled Jan's plug in June.
>
>I don't know Dan Hartung, Jani Patokallio, Dave Cornejo or Warren
>Lavallee. I have a different opinion of Jan Isley than you. Jan was an
>occasional participant in the SCH RFD. He really frustrated me with his
>unbending opinions that ended up stretching us out to a 3rd RFD + a couple
>more agonizing months of discussions. In the end, though, he strengthened
>our charter. He was right. And he didn't have to care about our charter,
>but he did. And when reports of email and off-topic newsgroups NO vote
>campaigning started surfacing and I started complaining to the UVV that
>the system sucked, because as a proponent, I couldn't counter-campaign, he
>held his guns, and told me no. He's very, very principled.
You dare call the forger and mailbomber who was caught red-handed
forging cancels and rejecting ballots from the people he doesn't like
"principled"? If you had any credibility in my eyes, you would have lost
it all, but you don't.
>From what I've seen of the Emory University incident, the reprehensible
>part was the actions of the forger that involved innocent Emory personnel
>who had no connection to Jan and the usenet other than being there and
>possessing an email address. I've noticed you keep changing the story
>Dimitri. Are you the forger?
I'm not changing the story - you're lying. If you're referring to the
numerous forgeries similar to this one (only the subject changed):
]Path: ...!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!newshost.comco.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news
]From: dwi...@mathcs.emory.edu (Dwight A. Duffus, 404 727 7957)
]Newsgroups: misc.test,sci.math,soc.motss,k12.ed.math,alt.sci.physics.plutonium,alt.personals.bi,soc.culture.pakistan,sci.crypt
]Subject: I'm the queer Chairman who takes it up the ass from Jan Isley
]Followup-To: misc.test,sci.math,soc.motss,k12.ed.math,alt.sci.physics.plutonium,alt.personals.bi,soc.culture.pakistan,sci.crypt
]Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 05:11:25 GMT
]Organization: Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, Emory University, GA
]Lines: 35
]Sender: dwi...@mathcs.emory.edu (Dwight A. Duffus, 404 727 7957)
]Message-ID: <31ce206a....@news.concentric.net>
]Reply-To: dwi...@mathcs.emory.edu (Dwight A. Duffus, 404 727 7957)
]NNTP-Posting-Host: cnc016096.concentric.net
]Keywords: Jan Isley, blow jobs, plate jobs, golden showers, brown showers, cum factories, inquisitive tongue, Emory Univerisity,Department of Mathematics and Computer Science,misc.test,sci.math,soc.motss,k12.ed.math,alt.sci.physics.plutonium,alt.personals.bi,soc.culture.pakistan,sci.crypt
]X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227
]Xref: panix misc.test:147380 sci.math:138854 soc.motss:355610 k12.ed.math:16000 alt.sci.physics.plutonium:8413 alt.personals.bi:49742 soc.culture.pakistan:153423 sci.crypt:50155
]
]I'm the faggot Chair of the Math and Computer Science Department at Emory
]University. My favorite pasttime is to take it long and hard from behind
]by Jan Isley. He also has great up and down rhythm when I lie flat on an
]exercise pad in the boy's gym at Emory and his back moves up and down above
]me in short jerky strokes while he tenses his buttocks to excite me more
]just before I squirt creamed corn into his love canal. Even though his
]penis is small (less than 4 inches long and less than an inch thick), I
]like the way his cleanly shaved cum factories gently swish against my chin.
]
]
]For a delicious blow job, give me a call! I always swallow it to prove how
]much the attention means to me, and I can make you cum again in about ten
]minutes by poking my inquisitive tongue in your (hopefully) unshaved shit
]hole and licking your balls. My favorite place to do it is in my car at
]K-MART, parked next to the handicap spots. Let's make white tinkle in the
]back seat of your car!
]
]I'm into golden showers, brown showers, and plate jobs (on a glass
]plate to save it for later). I also like glass quart Coke bottles up the
]ass (give and receive), and gerbils. Pakistanis and Arabs need not apply.
]
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then the answer is: no, I did not forge this, I did not write this, I
did not post this, and I don't even have an account on concentric.net.
FYI, Chris Lewis has been e-mailing various postmasters and upstream
sites claiming that I had forged the above. He's lying.
Chris Lewis (spit) has also been contacting various online services and
warning them not to give me net-access (even though I haven't asked any
such service for an account and have no plans to). Chris's "warnings"
are accompanied by a pile of quotes from Usenet posts by himself and his
friends, cited as "evidence". All of his allegations are lies of course.
>: >I'm not an ISP either. I'm just concerned about maintaining a usenet
>: >system that people can use. It's not the heat here that I'm so much, it's
>: >the consequences of them. Condoning actions that will cripple the systems
>: >and that people use to access the usenet just for the show will only serve
>: >to kill it.
>:
>: Have you pledged to boycott NorTel to protest Chris Lewis's (spit) Usenet
>: forgeries, lies being broadcast to postmasters, and other net-abuse?
>
>Why? Is it crippling systems? Is it making the usenet unusable, like the
>poetry festival did? Dimitri, did you send out the poetry festival flood?
If you're referring to the approximately 30,000 articles posted to
nan-am and containing random sequences of words, then again the answer
is, no, I did not send it out, did not post them, did not write the
program that did it, etc. Please note that Chris Lewis, John Milburn,
Dave Delaney, and other proven liars have again been e-mailing various
postmasters and upstream sites and accusing me of posting these 30,000
articles. They are lying again.
>: >John, I'm not stupid, and I'm not bullshitting you. The usenet may be a
>: >game to you, it may be a game to alot of others in this newsgroup. But
>: >it's not a soap-opera game to everyone using it.
>:
>: Usenet used to be a good tool to discuss technical subjects. I used to be
>: able to discuss Sybase in comp.databases.sybase and oracle on c.d.oracle
>: and math on sci.math. Now all discussions are being stifled by censorous
>: assholes like Chris Lewis (spit), who are determined to destroy Usenet.
>
>How is your ability to discuss things on these newsgroups stifled by Chris
>Lewis? Doesn't he only cancel spams and crossposts above a very high
>number? Do you spam and crosspost above this number?
I don't "spam" (where "spam" means posting multiple copies of the same
material). You know perfectly well that Chris Lewis (spit), Jan Isley
(spit), and their ilk forge cancels for singly-posted article when they
don't like their contents. For example, Jan Isley (spit) forged cancels
for six of my articles exposing his vote fraud before Emory University
pulled his plug.
>: please boycott NorTel.
>
>I don't use NorTel anyway.
It's good if you don't. Remember, Northern Telecom sells a lot of
products - from business phones to routers to various services. They pay
Chris Lewis's salary. They also pay for the equipment and the connection
he uses to forge cancels and to send slanderous complaints to sysadmins.
Every time you buy something from Northern Telecom, you support Chris
Lewis's net-abuse, so please don't do it. Call 1-800-NORSTAR to protest.
>I'm sorry if my opinions here don't agree with yours, Dimitri.
I'd be somewhat alarmed if my opinions agreed with the Cabal's.
> My only
>reason for speaking out to John Grubor in the first place was his
>condoning of a larger poetry flood. Opinions and games in this newsgroup,
>whether you view it as fun, reprehensible or stupid, shouldn't affect
>other newsgroups that are meant for other subjects, and it especially
>shouldn't crash or cripple other systems, because then innocent usenet
>users suffer.
Chris Lewis is a psychopath, harrassing the sysadmins of hundreds of his
"enemies", trying to get their plugs pulled. He boasts of the thousands
of people who lost their Internet accounts because of his false
complaints. Some of his victims lose their jobs as the result of his
slanderous complaints, or get in trouble with their schools.
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
In article <4uqi6a$7...@web.nmti.com>, pe...@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <gRRksD1...@bwalk.dm.com>,
>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
>> that the proponents should run the votes whenever they can. When they can't,
>> then UVV's help is greatly appreciated.
>
>acting like a rabid camel spitting on everything you might actually get some
>support for your position.
I get all the support I want from people I like, and you're not one of them.
> But you and your kook cabal has so tainted the
>very idea of reform that I've pretty much given up hope of anything happening
>and I've gone off to try again with a whole new network.
I suppose Stephanie's spouse would know more than anyone about rabid camels and
their mating rituals... But why do you keep posting so much to Usenet if you're
trying to switch to Fidonet or some lame clone thereof? Just go away already...
>> Usenet used to be a good tool to discuss technical subjects. I used to be
>> able to discuss Sybase in comp.databases.sybase and oracle on c.d.oracle
>> and math on sci.math. Now all discussions are being stifled by censorous
>> assholes like Chris Lewis (spit), who are determined to destroy Usenet.
>
>Chris Lewis is stifling discussion on comp.databases.sybase? How?
Do you remember the thread "Harrassing e-mail from Kent Paul Dolan"? There's a
legion of lewises on the 'net indictrinated by their fuehrer Chris Lewis to
believe that it's "good netizenship" to harrass postmasters with complaints
about the contents of other people's Usenet articles. If you try to hold a
technical discussion on comp.* and happen to post twice in one thread, a crazy
woman will probably send an e-mail to your webmaster (!), complaining that
posting more than one article in the same thread constitutes spam. There are
many others like her, and the liar Chris Lewis is the worst of them.
In most jurisdictions it's a criminal offense to call the police and to falsely
report a crime in progress. It's also a criminal offense to set off a fire
alarm when there's no fire. Chris Lewis and his friends bombard busy sysadmins
with false reports of "spam", knowing that their complaints are lies. Their
actions waste everyone's time and constitute net-abuse.
Boycott NorTel!
StukaFox
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM (d...@bwalk.dm.com) wrote:
: >You know, I happen to agree with you on this. And if you didn't go around
: >acting like a rabid camel spitting on everything you might actually get some
: >support for your position.
: I get all the support I want from people I like, and you're not one of them.
Since no one likes you, does that mean you have no support what-so-ever?
Mike "Amoung the human race, anyway" Beebe
--
A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45
"We are not liars, we are telling the 100% truth (with some xceptions)"
-- Sean Jorden on the validity of racist
claims made on alt.politics.white-power
Lorrie Wood
[Newsgroups snipped. What does soc.culture.russian care about Northern
Telecom equipment?]
Ahhhh, Viewless. I was flipping through this thread and came upon
this particular object of wonderment, even though I killfiled you
long ago. Every once in awhile, regardless, I peek at one of your
gems of delight.
And I'm very VERY happy that my job requires the use of a Nortal
PBX. I used to regret the phone system we had at our old location, but
JUST BECAUSE you think boycotting NorTel is a good idea, I suddely
find myself a whole lot happier with the concept...
-- Lorrie
--
soc.religion.paganism PASSED 429:61, with extra help from Dmitri Vulis:
he proved himself such a fool people voted YES to spite him.
#include <stdCDA_inspired_indecency.h>
? the platypus {aka David Formosa}
d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) writes:
>In article <4uqi6a$7...@web.nmti.com>, pe...@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>>In article <gRRksD1...@bwalk.dm.com>,
>>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
>>> We object to the UVV monopoly on running newsgroup creation votes. We believe
>>> that the proponents should run the votes whenever they can. When they can't,
>>> then UVV's help is greatly appreciated.
I wish to also object to the Australian electoral commition's monopoly on
vote takeing in Australian elections. I have now taken out an anty-trust
lawsuit on this orginastion and will post a case number as soon as peaple
stop larfing at me.
--
Please excuse my spelling as I am agraphic. dfor...@st.nepean.uws.edu.au
Never trust a country with more peaple then sheep. /\ /\ /\
Save the ABC Is $0.08 per day too much to pay? ( X X )
Its lucky to be ducky. Honk if you love geese. \/ \/ \/
Peter da Silva
In article <7qNmsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,> "Snecking" newsgroups is rude.
Adding huge lists of bogus groups is rude. Removing them is only polite.
> So what? Remember the misc.business.marketing vote? Even though it was
> conducted by the UVV, the proponent used a variety of dirty tricks, like
> collecting addresses from old vote mass-acks and e-mailing each one, and
> solicitng votes and posting a pre-filled ballot on his WWW page. If he
> tried this on his own, the vote would have been thrown out. Now his
> fraud carries UVV's fraudulent stamp of approval.
You obviously don't remember the way certain proponents were able to 'tip'
groups over the edge with subtle and almost undetectable targeted advertising
based on their inside information about the vote. That's why the UVV was
created in the first place... I ran quite a few votes before that as a
neutral third party while the more formal (I would say overly so) UVV mechanism
was being developed.
Trusted third parties running votes, even if they're not UVV, is a good
thing. Proponents, however, aren't.
> However the rigged votes conducted by Jan Isley (spit) have been more
> fraudulent than anything a newsgroup proponent could come up with,
> including even Kent Paul Dolan (the previous paradigm of vote fraud).
You misspelled "Richard Sexton".
Peter da Silva
In article <X2LmsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,[personal abuse snipped]
> >Chris Lewis is stifling discussion on comp.databases.sybase? How?
> Do you remember the thread "Harrassing e-mail from Kent Paul Dolan"?
Yes. Dolan sent you *one* message by mistake, and admitted it was a mistake
albeit in a roundabout way. Given his history of mental illness I was quite
pleasantly surprised. That doesn't seem to me to be "stifling discussion".
Has he complained about any other messages you've posted?
And in any case, Chris Lewis isn't K*nt. They're not even in cahoots... K*nt
is one of *your* mob, even if you won't admit it.
Dave Ratcliffe
On Tue, 13 Aug 96 21:01:56 EDT, d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
wrote:
-In article <4uqi6a$7...@web.nmti.com>, pe...@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
->In article <gRRksD1...@bwalk.dm.com>,
->Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
->> We object to the UVV monopoly on running newsgroup creation votes. We believe
->> that the proponents should run the votes whenever they can. When they can't,
->> then UVV's help is greatly appreciated.
->
->You know, I happen to agree with you on this. And if you didn't go around
->acting like a rabid camel spitting on everything you might actually get some
->support for your position.
-
-I get all the support I want from people I like,
Both of them?
- Boycott NorTel!
Boycott Vulis!
--
Dave Ratcliffe da...@frackit.com
Harrisburg, Pa.
Email to this account may be posted to the net
Unsolicited email advertisments will be returned to sender x 10 or better.
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
In article <4usjon$m...@nuhou.aloha.net>,>misc.news.internet.discuss, alt.culture.hawaii,
>(+) alt.journalism, alt.wired trimmed]
Re-restored. You're very rude to "sneck" newsgroups like this. Also you
said you were going away on vacation and wouldn't be able to follow up.
>: >: We object to the UVV monopoly on running newsgroup creation votes. We believe
>: >: that the proponents should run the votes whenever they can. When they can't,
>: >: then UVV's help is greatly appreciated.
>: >
>: >I guess when they can and can't would be very hard to define. It takes so
>: >little effort to accuse a proponent of stacking the votes, and thus
>:
>: So what? Remember the misc.business.marketing vote? Even though it was
>: conducted by the UVV, the proponent used a variety of dirty tricks, like
>: collecting addresses from old vote mass-acks and e-mailing each one, and
>: solicitng votes and posting a pre-filled ballot on his WWW page. If he
>: tried this on his own, the vote would have been thrown out. Now his
>: fraud carries UVV's fraudulent stamp of approval.
>
>I'm sorry, I didn't follow that vote, Dimitri. You wouldn't happen to
>have any bonafide proof of these accusations, would you?
I posted them to news.groups during the vote. Use DejaNews or AltaVista. The
proponent/moderator admitted his fraud. In article <4slit6$h...@lava.ivg.com>,
j...@bart.nl (John Gerits) wrote:
]d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) wrote:
...
]> the proponent/moderator campaigned improperly (posted a pre-filled ballot on his
]>WWW home page,
]
]The complete CFV was up for one day until I heard from the votetaker that this
]was against the guidelines. If I truly violated guidelines, the vote would have
]been cancelled, as you yourself stated in one of your articles.
...
]>collected hundreds of e-mail addresses from other votes' mass-acks and
]>spammed them with solicitations to vote for his newsgroup, etc.
]
]Yes, I collected 80 e-mails from the records of the
]misc.business.marketing.research vote. Not knowing at the time that this was
]looked down upon. Further, I mailed these people a notice of the proposal and
]stated that anyone not wanting to receive further notices to please let me know.
]I received 2 replies wishing to be removed from the mailing list. You were not
]one of them.
...
and lots of other stuff. Do dig up the entire article if you're interested.
The proponent/moderator also had to apologize for lying. First he was junking
all submissions from Robert Harmon, irrespective of content, then claimed that
Robert Harmon never submitted any articles, then retracted this false claim.
In article <4tcqgj$s...@lava.ivg.com>, j...@bart.nl (John Gerits) wrote:
]On Fri, 26 Jul 96, Robert...@halcyon.com (Robert Harmon) wrote:
]
]>I've submitted one article to the newsgroup & have followed up two or three
]>others.
]
]I apologize to you publicly for saying you never submitted an article, when in
]fact you did. ...
So - why wasn't this vote thrown out because of the proponent's vote fraud?
>: >invalidating everything (I remember running a straw poll and getting
>: >accused of being too secretive because I didn't publish the voter
>: >names...)
>:
>: The present mass-ack procedure is no longer adequate. The entire
>: ballots, including the Received: headers, must be made available for
>: public scrutiny on UUNET's FTP server.
>
>It seems though, that even full headers aren't the answer. Didn't the
>poetry festival have unique headers (with the exception of the consistent
>NNTP bagend site to unfairly implicate Jan Isley) some 30,000 times?
You're trying to confuse the issues once again. If these 30,000 forgeries
were newsgroup creation ballots, they'd definitely be rejected by any honest
votetaker. How much did David C [not dot] Lawrence (spit) and Russ Allberry
(spit) get paid for newgrouping soc.culture.indian.jammu-kashmir?
The UVV refuses to post the _entire ballots in order to cover up their fraud.
Also, what proof do you have that the proven forger Jan Isley (spit) is
implicated "unfairly"?
>: > I appreciated the UVV's efforts when I was a proponent. He
>: >handled the voting very professionally. I'm sure if I had done it, I
>: >would have been accused of all sorts of treachery.
>:
>: Given your propensity for repeating other people's lies, I'm not
>: surprised by your lack of credibility in others' eyes.
>
>And what about you? You don't know Albert Vanderburg except for what
>Jai's told you, either. And it's pretty obvious where you picked up
>the name Lava(tory)Net from, too.
I know that the male prostitute Albert Vanderburg has been posting lies
about me on nan-am and other newsgroups, falsely accusing me of "spamming"
and other misdeeds. The liar attacked me with no provocation. I also know
that lava(tory).net is the source of many spams, forgeries, and net-abuse.
(That's not surprising, considering that Krazy Karen is its secretary.)
>: However the rigged votes conducted by Jan Isley (spit) have been more
>: fraudulent than anything a newsgroup proponent could come up with,
>: including even Kent Paul Dolan (the previous paradigm of vote fraud).
>
>I've never spoken to Kent Paul Dolan, and again I still have a different
>opinion of Jan than you.
You're lucky. Kent Paul Dolan epitomizes vote fraud. His sf-lovers reorg
used to be cited as the most crooked vote in the history of Usenet, until
Jan Isley (spit) came along and provided us with even better examples.
>: >: If the vote passes, only group proponents should post newgroup control article.
>: >
>: >I wouldn't know how...
>:
>: It's no harder than posting an article with an "Approved:" header. Say,
>: you want to create a newsgroup called soc.culture.australian.aborigine.
>: Just post an article in news.groups and add these special headers:
>:
>: Approved: yes
>: Newsgroups: newgroup soc.culture.australian.aborigine
Oops! I meant:
Control: newgroup soc.culture.australian.aborigine
Newsgroups: news.groups
My apologies for the typo.
>I'd be uncomfortable doing this myself. To me, adding an Approved: yes
>line in my headers implies a willingness to forge-approve a post in a
>moderated newsgroup. (shrug...) Well, that's just my feeling, anyway...
You're trying to confuse the issues again. First you said you wouldn't know
how to issue a newgroup control article (even though it's easier than posting
an approved article in a moderated newsgroup, which you, as a s.c.h moderator,
know how to do). Now you're suggesting that news.groups is moderated (not true)
>: That's how J.D.Falk newgrouped misc.activism.cannibals a few months ago.
>
>Oh, ok... I don't actually read m.a.cannibals anyway so I wouldn't know...
J.D.Falk is the net-abuser at cais.com who also sabotages other people's
domains by submitting false information to NIC and sends false and slanderous
complaints to sysadmins (in the style of the NorTel forger Chris Lewis).
>: You dare call the forger and mailbomber who was caught red-handed
>: forging cancels and rejecting ballots from the people he doesn't like
>: "principled"? If you had any credibility in my eyes, you would have lost
>: it all, but you don't.
>
>Well, I guess I can see that, because we view things so different and all,
>why you'd be offended. And if Jan had cancelled my posts, I might feel
>offended too. I remember in the soc.religion.vaishnava newsgroup vote,
>that he started by first warning Jai about his No ballot posts, but Jai
>ignored him and kept on posting. So as the UVV responsible for running a
>ballot-stuffing-free vote, he cancelled the ballots. The mailbombing was
>the notices of cancelled ballots sent to Jai, wasn't it? Or was it Jai
>mailbombing Jan, and Jan auto-bouncing the messages back to Jai?
Jan Isley (spit) publicly threatened to mailbomb me for encouraging people
to vote YES on soc.culture.kashmir, a few days before Emory University pulled
his plug for forgery and net-abuse.
>Then later he warned your friends to not post his email which were not
>suppose to be posted publicly but were posted/crossposted anyway? Then it
>became heavily crossposted attacks of him in the local Atlanta hierarchy?
>PLUS, he took all the potentially controversial-hot potato votes, that
>prolifferated his exposure to harrassment. I don't know how Jan could
>stand it for so long.
First, none of the reasons you list give Jan Isley (spit) any right to
forge cancels. Second, none of them even apply to my articles for which he
forged cancels. You may recall how Russ Allberry (spit) also claimed
that Jan Isley (spit) only forges cancels for articles that quote his
"private" e-mail, and how Peter da Silva (spit) claimed that Jan Isley
(spit) only forges cancels for articles cross-posted in his "private"
atl.* hierarchy. Both of them are pathological liars, as are you. One can
examine my articles that Jan Isley tried to suppress in Dr. Jai Maharaj's
FTP site and see that none of them contained any pre-filled ballots,
none of them were cross-posted to atl.*, et cetera. You're lying, Sharon.
Jan Isley (spit) forged cancels for my articles solely because he didn't
like their contents. In them, I exposed his forgery and vote fraud.
>: FYI, Chris Lewis has been e-mailing various postmasters and upstream
>: sites claiming that I had forged the above. He's lying.
>:
>: Chris Lewis (spit) has also been contacting various online services and
>: warning them not to give me net-access (even though I haven't asked any
>: such service for an account and have no plans to). Chris's "warnings"
>: are accompanied by a pile of quotes from Usenet posts by himself and his
>: friends, cited as "evidence". All of his allegations are lies of course.
>
>I didn't know that. But then, you could be lying too.
I'm attaching a typical Chris Lewis letter (sent to a dozen postmasters)
at the end of this article. As you see, Chris Lewis bombards the sysadmins
and upstream sites of yours truly, Steve Boursy, Dr. John Grubor, Dave
Hayes, et al with false accusations, blaming us all for the same "misdeeds".
He must be lying, since he accuses many different people of the same "crimes".
But of course he claims that Sven and Ric are one and the same "net-abuser"...
Talk about paranoid delusions...
>: If you're referring to the approximately 30,000 articles posted to
>: nan-am and containing random sequences of words, then again the answer
>: is, no, I did not send it out, did not post them, did not write the
>: program that did it, etc. Please note that Chris Lewis, John Milburn,
>: Dave Delaney, and other proven liars have again been e-mailing various
>: postmasters and upstream sites and accusing me of posting these 30,000
>: articles. They are lying again.
>
>Ditto again, my answer above.
Are you asking me to prove a negative? Why don't you start by posting the proof
that David C [no dot] Lawrence didn't rape a 13-year-old girl (or boy).
I should note that I see nothing wrong with the "poetry festival" and urge
whoever did it to do it again. (Run the KJV Bible through the B1FF filter?)
>: >: >John, I'm not stupid, and I'm not bullshitting you. The usenet may be a
>: >: >game to you, it may be a game to alot of others in this newsgroup. But
>: >: >it's not a soap-opera game to everyone using it.
>: >:
>: >: Usenet used to be a good tool to discuss technical subjects. I used to be
>: >: able to discuss Sybase in comp.databases.sybase and oracle on c.d.oracle
>: >: and math on sci.math. Now all discussions are being stifled by censorous
>: >: assholes like Chris Lewis (spit), who are determined to destroy Usenet.
>: >
>: >How is your ability to discuss things on these newsgroups stifled by Chris
>: >Lewis? Doesn't he only cancel spams and crossposts above a very high
>: >number? Do you spam and crosspost above this number?
>:
>: I don't "spam" (where "spam" means posting multiple copies of the same
>: material). You know perfectly well that Chris Lewis (spit), Jan Isley
>: (spit), and their ilk forge cancels for singly-posted article when they
>: don't like their contents. For example, Jan Isley (spit) forged cancels
>: for six of my articles exposing his vote fraud before Emory University
>: pulled his plug.
>
>What posts of yours has Chris Lewis cancelled? I know you like to
>crosspost stuff. Did it reach the threshold? And you've been accused of
>vote fraud yourself, haven't you?
My article that were forge-cancelled are available on Dr. Jai Maharaj's
FTP site, together with the forged cancels. See for yourself that the
cancels were 100% based on content and had nothing to do with crossposting.
As for the false accusations of vote fraud, such as the following:
]The UVV can refuse to accept votes from a site that routinely generates scads
]of forged votes. Like yours.
(said by pe...@nmti.com (Peter da Silva) in article <4t3k05$3...@web.nmti.com>
in response to my complaint about Dan Hartung's (spit) vote fraud), he's simply
lying again. This site never generated any forged votes in any newsgroup
creation votes. Nor "routinely", not once. Not "scads", not a single one. Can
Peter da Silva cite any such votes? Of course not - he knows that he's lying.
Yet such lies get quoted as "evidence" by the NorTel forger Chris Lewis in his
slanderous e-mails to his "enemies'" sysadmins and upstream sites.
>: >: please boycott NorTel.
>: >
>: >I don't use NorTel anyway.
>:
>: It's good if you don't. Remember, Northern Telecom sells a lot of
>: products - from business phones to routers to various services. They pay
>: Chris Lewis's salary. They also pay for the equipment and the connection
>: he uses to forge cancels and to send slanderous complaints to sysadmins.
>: Every time you buy something from Northern Telecom, you support Chris
>: Lewis's net-abuse, so please don't do it. Call 1-800-NORSTAR to protest.
>
>But then, wouldn't I become a slanderous complainer, too?
Not if you tell the truth - that Chris Lewis is a Usenet forger and net-abuser,
and that he does it on NorTel's time using NorTel's equipment and connection.
>: Chris Lewis is a psychopath, harrassing the sysadmins of hundreds of his
>: "enemies", trying to get their plugs pulled. He boasts of the thousands
>: of people who lost their Internet accounts because of his false
>: complaints. Some of his victims lose their jobs as the result of his
>: slanderous complaints, or get in trouble with their schools.
>
>Now that Jan's been dealt with, your cabal turns to Chris Lewis?
You forgot to mention that we convinced Postech not to renew John E. Mulbirn's
contract because of his Usenet forgeries and other net-abuse. He used to work
on the construction of the Pohang Light Source, but not anymore. :-)
Chris Lewis must stop bombarding his "enemies'" sysadmins and upstream sites
with false complaints in an effort to get their plugs pulled. For example:
]Message-Id: <m0ulpgF...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca>
]From: cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
]Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 00:48:15 -0400
]X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92)
]To: gr...@loop.com, postm...@loop.com, he...@uunet.uu.net, spec...@midusa.net
] postm...@midusa.net, s.b...@ix.netcom.com, secu...@netcom.com,
] ab...@netcom.com, Grimo...@aol.com, ab...@aol.com, l...@l-e-n.com,
] postm...@l-e-n.com, max...@aol.com, atr...@aol.net,
] ask...@microsoft.com, postm...@microsoft.com, postm...@msn.com,
] in...@vatican.va, postm...@vatican.va
]Subject: ATTENTION: forgeing email bomber identified.
]Cc: freedom...@jetcafe.org, ric...@paranoia.com, jdf...@cybernothing.org,
] sv...@loop.com
]
]To whom it may concern,
]
]This is in regards to a user on loop.com who is forging Usenet posts in
]such a way to cause the victim of the forgery to be mailbombed. In
]essence, this user forges the victim's name to a posting which is
]posted to various Usenet "test" newsgroups. A number of systems on
]Usenet will respond to messages in test groups by emailing a copy
]back to the person who sent it - in this case, the victim of the
]forgery. The results of this can be quite catastrophic in some
]situations, could easily be deemed a "denial of service" attack,
]and be covered under various US statutes on computer crime, vandalism
]etcetera.
]
]It is virtually certain that these forgeries were perpetrated by
]Chris Blanc (sv...@loop.com amongst other aliases). The administrator
]of loop.com can easily fill in any possible doubt by examining his
]log files.
]
]I am including the following recipients in this email:
]
] - gr...@loop.com/postm...@loop.com to deal with Blanc as
] appropriate.
] - UUNET to investigate their options vis-a-vis loop.com
] taking appropriate and satisfactory action.
] - the victims and their postmasters for them to decide what
] action they wish to take regarding Mr. Blanc.
] - Mr. Blanc so that he can respond to these statements if he
] wishes.
] - other interested parties.
] - a copy is being posted to news.admin.net-abuse.misc.
]
]The rest of this email provides background and evidence for these
]statements.
]
]Victims of these forgeries include:
]
] spec...@midusa.net
] s.b...@ix.netcom.com
] Grimo...@aol.com
] l...@l-e-n.com
] max...@aol.com
] ask...@microsoft.com
] in...@vatican.va
]
]I first noticed this when I discovered several dozen large postings
](over 600 lines) of a file called "whorez.zip". If the subject line
]was to be believed, there were a total of 41 of these messages, each
]around 50,000 bytes.
]
]Each of these postings was forged in the name "ask...@microsoft.com"
]and "in...@vatican.va".
]
]Each of these postings would have resulted in from one to ten copies
]being mailed back to the two victims by various test group
]autoresponders. Effectively, ask...@microsoft.com and in...@vatican.va
]would have received between 41 and 410 pieces of mail, totalling
]anywhere from 2 to 20 megabytes.
]
]Furthermore, given the wide cross-posting of each of the articles, the
]victims would have also received a fair amount of irate email from
]people who read those groups.
]
]I forwarded a copy of a report I wrote on this incident to:
]
] postm...@loop.net he...@uunet.uu.net
]
]This is because each of the postings originated at loop.net, and went
]to uunet.uu.net next before propagating to the rest of the network.
]
]At loop.com, there is a user by the name of Chris Blanc, who posts with
]name "goat" (usually anti-christian diatribes or profane personal
]attacks of one sort or another) "chewing the foetus of christ",
]"sv...@loop.com", "go...@anus.com", "the-...@the-anus.com" etc. Mr.
]Blanc has on a number of occasions advocated mail bombing. There is
]some question whether he's the same person as Ricardo Gonsalez, which
]led to my suggesting his name rather than Blanc's in the report I
]mailed to postm...@loop.net and he...@uunet.uu.net.
]
]Over the past few days I've seen a few more of this type of forged
]mailbombing, plus postings where "goat" admits to being
]ask...@microsoft.com. When I analyzed the headers on these postings,
]it becomes clearer:
]
]Posting Date From: line dialin connection name
]
]July 28 04:06:03 spec...@midusa.net pma3_100.loop.com
]July 28 20:19:02 s.b...@ix.netcom.com pma3_102.loop.com
]July 28 23:54:08 Grimo...@aol.com pma3_144.loop.com
]July 28 23:54:09 Grimo...@aol.com pma3_144.loop.com
]July 29 18:02:32 l...@l-e-n.com pma1_177.loop.com
]July 29 20:18:12 the-...@the-anus.com pma1_177.loop.com
]July 30 00:21:42 max...@aol.com pma3_165.loop.com
]July 30 00:22:07 the-...@the-anus.com pma3_165.loop.com
]July 30 00:41:34 ask...@microsoft.com pma3_165.loop.com
]July 30 00:50:47 the-...@the-anus.com pma3_165.loop.com
]July 30 01:05:27 s.b...@ix.netcom.com pma3_165.loop.com
]July 30 18:36:16 the-...@the-anus.com pma101.loop.com
]July 30 22:30:06 ask...@microsoft.com pma3_170.loop.com
]July 30 22:53:07 go...@anus.com pma3_170.loop.com
]
]There have been a fair number of other goat/askbill postings
]that haven't been included in the above analysis. I hope to
]finish that soon.
]
]Each of the postings with "goat", are clearly from Mr. Blanc.
]Each of the postings with "ask...@microsoft.com" are signed by
]"goat". Each of the other postings are test responder bombs
]ranging up to a considerable size.
]
]Notice the string of postings on July 30:
]
] - test responder bomb of max...@aol.com at 00:21:42
] - about 20 seconds later, a posting from goat which
] obviously took very little time to compose...
] (only three words)
] - 19 minutes later, a posting from ask...@microsoft.com,
] signed with "goat".
] - 9 minutes later "goat"
] - 15 minutes later another test responder bomb of
] s.b...@ix.netcom.com
]
]All with the same dialin connection. The spec...@midusa.net
]also had a Sender line that included ask...@microsoft.com.
]
]When you examine the headers of these postings there are several
]other important similarities:
]
] - Every posting has the same X-Newsreader header:
] X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
] - On the net, "Summary" headers are relatively rare,
] every posting here has a summary header. Usually
] profane.
] - Every posting started at dobie.loop.com, and then
] went through UUNET.
]
]As to intent, these are of interest:
]
] - ask...@microsoft.com: I believe Blanc has a professed
] hatred for Bill Gates and Microsoft
] - in...@vatican.va: Blanc is a fanatic anti-Christian
] and has been plaguing christian discussion groups with profane
] insults, personal attacks, disruption and other carryings-on
] for at least 4 months.
] - l...@l-e-n.com: recent email spammer - probably emailed Mr.
] Blanc his advertisement, and Mr. Blanc retaliated.
] - the other targets appear to be posters from warez or heavy
] metal music groups. These are likely to be groups Mr. Blanc
] reads, but I have not investigated this further.
]
]I include below:
]
] - Each of the dated postings listed above. Many of the bodies
] have been clipped out due to length.
] - A copy of the report on the ask...@microsoft.com/in...@vatican.va
] responder bomb.
]
]Other postings from goat, plus full copies of each of these postings will
]probably be findable on Dejanews or Altavista.
]
]I apologize for the length.
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]Path: netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: spec...@midusa.net
]Newsgroups: alt.music.black-metal,misc.test,alt.test,va.test
]Subject: Re: RECORDING CONTRACT IS AWARDED TO WINNER
]Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:06:03 GMT
]Organization: spec...@midusa.net
]Lines: 96
]Sender: spec...@midusa.net,ask...@microsoft.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4teoss$p...@jerry.loop.net>
]References: <31FACB...@midusa.net>
]Reply-To: spec...@midusa.net,ask...@microsoft.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_100.loop.com
]Summary: spec...@midusa.net
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]
]This is pretty clearly off-topic for a black metal newsgroup!
]
]
]Correspondence <spec...@midusa.net> took a fat hit off a pipe and
]wrote:
]
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]Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: s.b...@ix.netcom.com
]Newsgroups: alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc,misc.test,alt.test,va.test,fl.forsale,alt.flame,alt.mindcontrol,alt.dear-whitehouse
]Subject: I'M A FLAMING FOOOL! BOMB MY ASS!11!! - agent99e.zip (1/1)
]Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:19:02 GMT
]Organization: The Loop
]Lines: 19
]Sender: s.b...@ix.netcom.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tght3$2...@jerry.loop.net>
]Reply-To: s.b...@ix.netcom.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_102.loop.com
]Summary: U LOSE
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]begin 644 agent99e.zip
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]
]
]
]====================== 0728235408 =====================
]Path: netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.thenet.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: Grimo...@aol.com
]Newsgroups: alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc,misc.test,alt.test,alt.binaries.warez.mac
]Subject: *** FUCK ME FOR BEING STUPID - asshole.jpg (0/1)
]Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:54:08 GMT
]Organization: Disorganization
]Lines: 8
]Sender: Grimo...@aol.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tguga$3...@jerry.loop.net>
]Reply-To: Grimo...@aol.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_144.loop.com
]Summary: METAL RULZ D3WD!!1!
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]
]I was dumb,
]And I posted,
]And now,
]I'LL FUCKEN SUFFER!
]
]
]
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]Path: netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.thenet.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: Grimo...@aol.com
]Newsgroups: alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc,misc.test,alt.test,alt.binaries.warez.mac
]Subject: *** FUCK ME FOR BEING STUPID - asshole.jpg (1/1)
]Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:54:09 GMT
]Organization: Disorganization
]Lines: 448
]Sender: Grimo...@aol.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tgugr$3...@jerry.loop.net>
]Reply-To: Grimo...@aol.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_144.loop.com
]Summary: METAL RULZ D3WD!!1!
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
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]Path: netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: l...@l-e-n.com
]Newsgroups: alt.test,misc.test
]Subject: BOMB MY ASS, I'M A STUPID SPAMMER - md1-6.zip (0/1)
]Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.test,misc.test
]Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:02:32 GMT
]Organization: TOTAL DESTRUCTION
]Lines: 60
]Sender: l...@l-e-n.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tiu8q$a...@jerry.loop.net>
]Reply-To: l...@l-e-n.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma1_177.loop.com
]Keywords: TOTAL DESTRUCTION
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]
]And so we're going to BOMB YOUR ASS.
]
][50 lines cut - copy of email spam.]
]====================== 0729201812 =====================
]Path: netcom.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!news4.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!ix.netcom.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: the-...@the-anus.com (FUCK THE POLICE - Address corrupted to avoid SPAM)
]Newsgroups: alt.christnet,alt.parents-teens,rec.drugs.cannabis,rec.nude,alt.religion.scientology,alt.magick,alt.satanism,alt.skinheads,alt.pagan,alt.music.black-metal,alt.geek,alt.flame,alt.evil,alt.blasphemy,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.rave,alt.psychoactives,alt.magick.tantra,alt.christnet,rec.music.christian,fl.forsale,alt.dear-whitehouse,alt.stupidity,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african-american,alt.flame,misc.test
]Subject: Re: Can anyone understand my situation and help?
]Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:18:12 GMT
]Organization: WARNING: Address corrupted to avoid SPAM
]Lines: 22
]Sender: mother...@anus.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tj675$b...@jerry.loop.net>
]References: <4s6fem$l...@oker.escape.de> <4s7djf$e...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <4s7pv4$b...@fizban.solace.mh.se> <4t0gkg$u...@beldin.it.com.au> <31FC29...@someplace.com>
]Reply-To: postm...@wiesenthal.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma1_177.loop.com
]Summary: FUCK YOU
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]I HATE SPAM <som...@someplace.com> took a fat hit off a pipe and
]wrote:
]
]>another asshole from .au
]
]>sounds like a real aboriginal like everyone in au
]====================== 0730002142 =====================
]Path: netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: max...@aol.com
]Newsgroups: misc.test,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet,fl.forsale,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll,soc.culture.israel
]Subject: Re: Amon Goeth
]Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:21:42 GMT
]Organization: A plastic disk in every mailbox.
]Lines: 35
]Sender: ro...@aol.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tjkfl$c...@jerry.loop.net>
]References: <4t1bk2$6...@server3.mich.com> <4t5bdu$9...@excelsior.flash.net> <31FBF6...@hexagon.se> <4tj611$b...@jerry.loop.net>
]Reply-To: max...@aol.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_165.loop.com
]Summary: this guy is an idiot
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]the-...@the-anus.com (FUCK THE POLICE - Address corrupted to avoid
]SPAM) wrote:
]
]
]> right on hexagon. so many people here are whining like christians.
]>if you're going to bitch like the carping weak, stay in the newsgroups
]>of the weak:
]
]> rec.music.christian
]> alt.christnet
]> fl.forsale
]
]>GOAT
]
] Look you stupid satan motherfucker I don't want to here any of this
]crap in these newsgroups God loves you but I sure fucking don't I
]don't want to hear any of this crap or have my fucking Children read
]it!
] Fuck off and go where you came from you stupid ass, no one gives a
]fucking damn and you're just making all you stupid satan fuckers look
]stupid and make all you people seem to be what you are which is
]preachers for the devil who doesn't give a fuck about your soul
]anyway.
] I dontwant to hear it and you dont want to fuck with me. I am 6'4"
]and 220 pounds of muscle that can slam your skinny atheist/satanist
]ass into the wall. I got God on my side and I say !!!!FUCK YOU!!!!
]because it's sick basterds like you who make this world seem really
]bad when it's great.
] Go get a job. Get a girlfriend unless your a faggot and go get
]yourself a life. Once you are working you wont think like a
]masturbator again and you will stop sinning you stupid kid.
]
]
]
]
]====================== 0730002207 =====================
]Path: netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: the-...@the-anus.com (FUCK THE POLICE - Address corrupted to avoid SPAM)
]Newsgroups: va.test
]Subject: Re: test message
]Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:22:07 GMT
]Organization: WARNING: Address corrupted to avoid SPAM
]Lines: 14
]Sender: mother...@anus.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tjkge$c...@jerry.loop.net>
]References: <31F8EC...@nrc.gov>
]Reply-To: the-...@the-anus.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_165.loop.com
]Summary: FUCK YOU
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]Rei-Mei Shieh <r...@nrc.gov> took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:
]
]>This is a test message. Please reply if you receive it.
]
]HELLOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BABY!
]
]====================== 0730004134 =====================
]Path: ...news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: ask...@microsoft.com
]Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
]Subject: bincancel:31 large binaries:AR515:@@NCM
]Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:41:34 GMT
]Organization: Microscopic Enslavers
]Sender: ask...@microsoft.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tjlkt$c...@jerry.loop.net>
]References: <ARMM-Re...@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us>
]Reply-To: ask...@microsoft.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_165.loop.com
]Summary: FUCK YOU
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]r...@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew) took a fat hit off a pipe
]and wrote:
]
]>A pointer to this report will be cross-posted to each affected newsgroup.
]
] I'm not necessarily criticizing -- but -- this is helping the
]bandwidth problem HOW? Any place where this is applicable has already
]been bombed, and you're just bombing them again, albeit with smaller
]text.
]
]GOAT
]
]
]====================== 0730005047 =====================
]Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: the-...@the-anus.com (FUCK THE POLICE - Address corrupted to avoid SPAM)
]Newsgroups: vmsnet.test
]Subject: TEXT
]Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:50:47 GMT
]Organization: WARNING: Address corrupted to avoid SPAM
]Lines: 5
]Sender: mother...@anus.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tjm65$c...@jerry.loop.net>
]Reply-To: the-...@the-anus.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_165.loop.com
]Summary: FUCK YOU
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]====================== 0730010527 =====================
]Path: netcom.com!csus.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: s.b...@ix.netcom.com
]Newsgroups: alt.binaries.warez.mac,alt.test,misc.test,va.test,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.young
]Subject: I am an asshole. - crap.zip (0/1)
]Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:05:27 GMT
]Organization: None
]Lines: 18
]Sender: s.b...@ix.netcom.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tjn1l$d...@jerry.loop.net>
]Reply-To: s.b...@ix.netcom.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_165.loop.com
]Summary: I am an asshole.
]Keywords: None
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
][15 lines deleted]
]====================== 0730183616 =====================
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]From: the-...@the-anus.com (FUCK THE POLICE - Address corrupted to avoid SPAM)
]Newsgroups: rec.music.rem,rec.music.christian,alt.skinheads,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.religion.scientology,alt.rave,alt.psychoactives,alt.parents-teens,alt.music.black-metal,alt.magick,alt.geek,alt.flame,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.christnet,alt.bible.prophecy,fl.forsale,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african-american,alt.christnet,alt.destroy.the.earth,alt.stupidity,alt.flame,alt.slack,misc.test
]Subject: Re: The bible: Deceptive Pap for the Easily Fooled! [CHRISTIANS ARE MORONS]
]Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:36:16 GMT
]Organization: WARNING: Address corrupted to avoid SPAM
]Lines: 23
]Sender: mother...@anus.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tlkjq$k...@jerry.loop.net>
]References: <6107cc$7227...@news.rockbridge.net> <4t0j1n$s...@jerry.loop.net> <4tcsku$n...@lanshark.lanminds.com> <4teiar$o...@jerry.loop.net> <4thqbl$9...@server4.softdisk.com> <4tj5kb$b...@jerry.loop.net> <4tjrm0$c...@server4.softdisk.com>
]Reply-To: the-...@the-anus.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma101.loop.com
]Summary: FUCK YOU
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]wil...@softdisk.com (Bobo MacFreak) took a fat hit off a pipe and
]wrote:
]
]>> Seems like you have some allegiances here that are making you post
]>>such defensive material. Is this your own problem, or is it that you
]
]GOAT
]
]
]====================== 0730223006 =====================
]Path: ...!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: ask...@microsoft.com
]Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,alt.censorship,fl.forsale
]Subject: Re: Internet Users Fight Back at Censors To Protest USENET Deletions
]Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:30:06 GMT
]Organization: Microscopic Enslavers
]Lines: 27
]Sender: ask...@microsoft.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tm2a6$m...@jerry.loop.net>
]References: <4tgg6s$2...@jerry.loop.net> <31fd33cb....@news2.microserve.net>
]Reply-To: ask...@microsoft.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_170.loop.com
]Summary: FUCK YOU
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]da...@frackit.com (Dave Ratcliffe) took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote:
]
]>[fl.forsale, comp.os.ms-windows.nt, alt.flame removed from Newsgroups: list]
]
]>Hey Ric....
]
]>Just thought you'd like to know there wasn't a Frequently Asked Question in
]>that whole mess.
]
] Ah, it's the FAQ of dropping SCHEIDELL's packets. Don't worry, it'll
]get a good edit soon.
]
]>Perhaps you made another mistrake?
]
] Don't worry, Dave. It's me, Ric. I am everywhere. You cannot stop
]me! Not only am I more than one person, but they're real people too!
] Yep, I'm the world's first personality to be encoded in a distributed
]order. You may think you're the Internet, but I am an Internet in
]myself!
] Gimme a break, stupid. Do you really think this is Ric(ardo)? Are
]you all this paranoid/blind that anyone who criticizes you must be
]someone you already know?
] Hmm...seems yer a mite defensive.
]
]GOAT
]
]
]====================== 0730225307 =====================
]Path: netcom.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.net.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!news.clues.com!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uniol!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news
]From: go...@anus.com (FUCK THE POLICE)
]Newsgroups: rec.music.rem,rec.music.christian,alt.skinheads,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.religion.scientology,alt.rave,alt.psychoactives,alt.parents-teens,alt.music.black-metal,alt.magick,alt.geek,alt.flame,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.christnet,alt.bible.prophecy,fl.forsale,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african-american,alt.christnet,alt.destroy.the.earth,alt.stupidity,alt.flame,alt.slack,misc.test
]Subject: Re: The bible: Deceptive Pap for the Easily Fooled! [STUPID, STUPID CHRIST THE WEAKLING KING OF THE JUICE]
]Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:53:07 GMT
]Organization: None
]Lines: 29
]Sender: mother...@anus.com
]Distribution: world
]Message-ID: <4tm3lb$m...@jerry.loop.net>
]References: <6107cc$7227...@news.rockbridge.net> <4t0j1n$s...@jerry.loop.net> <4tcsku$n...@lanshark.lanminds.com> <4teiar$o...@jerry.loop.net> <4thqbl$9...@server4.softdisk.com> <4tj5kb$b...@jerry.loop.net> <DvDAI...@mv.mv.com>
]Reply-To: go...@anus.com
]NNTP-Posting-Host: pma3_170.loop.com
]Summary: FUCK YOU
]X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82
]
]"William G. Parke IV" <wi...@westerdale.mv.com> took a fat hit off a
]pipe and wrote:
]
] We are spreading the virus, and spreading the order, of chaos.
]
]GOAT
]============================================================================
]Path: ferret.ocunix.on.ca!not-for-mail
]Message-ID: <96071711254...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca>
]Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.announce,alt.nocem.misc
]Date: 16 Jul 1996 11:25:41 EST
]Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
]>From: cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
]Subject: EMP/ECP cancelled (*** LAST DAY WITH JESUS *** BOMB MY ASS!!!!!! - whorez.zip : ask...@microsoft.com,in...@vatican.va) @@NCM
]Organization: Despams 'R Us
]Approved: net-abus...@math.psu.edu
]Cc: postm...@loop.net he...@uunet.uu.net
]
]Binary bomb cross-posted between alt.test, misc.test and many other groups
]in an attempt to get "ask...@microsoft.com" and "in...@vatican.va"
]mailbombed by autoresponders.
]
]You know something? I'll bet it was really r...@paranoia.com. This is just
]his style - and his targets. And he does post as "sv...@loop.com" occasionally.
]
]UUNET? Check your logs and terminate access from this twit.
]
]22 articles were cancelled in 308 groups. The Breidbart Index is 82.32 (BI2: 195.16)
]
]Regards,
]Chris Lewis
]cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
]
]@@BEGIN NCM HEADERS
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Peter da Silva
[sneck]
In article <2yBPsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
> So - why wasn't this vote thrown out because of the proponent's vote fraud?
I assume because of the identity of the messenger.
Human nature being what it is, most of the people in a position to throw
out the vote most likely were kill-filing you.
It's called crying wolf.
Nobody is happy when the poor shepherd-boy gets eaten, but it's going to
keep on happening. If you want to change the responses you get from your
messages, change your messages. If you want to change the world, change
yourself.
If, on the other hand, you just want to provoke flame wars and degrade the
net further, keep doing just what you've been doing. But quit whining when
people don't listen to you, and quit expecting any of the people capable of
really reforming the net to do so.
Rich Tietjens
In article <X2LmsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) wrote:
>>You know, I happen to agree with you on this. And if you didn't go around
>>acting like a rabid camel spitting on everything you might actually get
>>some support for your position.
>
>I get all the support I want from people I like, and you're not one of
>them.
Chances are pretty good that the two people whom you like aren't going to
be enough to get anything through the CFV process. I'm not exactly Mother
Teresa myself, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone else (with the
exception of an undergrad at University of Northern Iowa) waste so much
vitriol making ad hominem attacks on people who expressed politely that
they agreed with my aims, but disagreed with my tactics.
Of course, I'm only paranoid, not totally anti-social.
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bill davidsen
In article <X2LmsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
| I get all the support I want from people I like, and you're not one of them.
As long as you don't have to count on support from people who like you...
--
-bill davidsen (davi...@tmr.com)
"As a software development model, Anarchy does not scale well."
-Dave Welch
bill davidsen
In article <7qNmsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
| So what? Remember the misc.business.marketing vote? Even though it was
| conducted by the UVV, the proponent used a variety of dirty tricks, like
| collecting addresses from old vote mass-acks and e-mailing each one, and
| solicitng votes and posting a pre-filled ballot on his WWW page. If he
| tried this on his own, the vote would have been thrown out. Now his
| fraud carries UVV's fraudulent stamp of approval.
Um, are you saying that people shouldn't be allowed to try to
influence the vote? As long as the votes are really cast by the
people who vote them, not forged, why is this wrong?
| The present mass-ack procedure is no longer adequate. The entire
| ballots, including the Received: headers, must be made available for
| public scrutiny on UUNET's FTP server.
Again, why? People get a vote ack, if they didn't vote, or voted
some other way, they will presumable respond. Is my vote less valid
if it goes through a few mailers to reach the vote taker?
Having run honest votes, I'm not unhappy about having someone else
take them, since someone will *always* question your credibility if
you have an interest in the vote.
And I haven't seen any substantiated claims of the vote taker not
reporting the vote fairly and accurately. Much better that the vote
taker doesn't care.
|
| > I appreciated the UVV's efforts when I was a proponent. He
| >handled the voting very professionally. I'm sure if I had done it, I
| >would have been accused of all sorts of treachery.
See my point above.
| Given your propensity for repeating other people's lies, I'm not
| surprised by your lack of credibility in others' eyes.
Given your propensity for making personal attacks on anyone who
doesn't agree with you, how can you hope to maintain any credibility
yourself?
J.D. Falk
In case you haven't guessed, this thread is off-topic in
misc.news.internet.discuss, and probably many of the other groups listed.
For some reason (he's scared to tell me what it is) Dimitri Vulis
crossposts many of his inflammatory messages here. He is one of the main
reasons that misc.news.internet.discuss is unable to fulfill its chartered
purpose -- his drivel scares people away.
Please adjust your followups accordingly. Thank you.
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Dr. Dimitri Vulis
In article <4v22bs$1b...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>,
davi...@tmr.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>In article <7qNmsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
>
>| conducted by the UVV, the proponent used a variety of dirty tricks, like
>| collecting addresses from old vote mass-acks and e-mailing each one, and
>| solicitng votes and posting a pre-filled ballot on his WWW page. If he
>| tried this on his own, the vote would have been thrown out. Now his
>| fraud carries UVV's fraudulent stamp of approval.
>
>influence the vote? As long as the votes are really cast by the
>people who vote them, not forged, why is this wrong?
Because the people voted without seeing the entire CFV and had no idea what
they voted on. This campaigning by the proponent would have been perfectly
appropriate if numbered ballots were used. Right now, any proponent can e-mail
10,000 people and say: "Please e-mail vot...@foo.fi and say: I vote YES on
my.favorite.newsgroup", and a few hundred would do this without questioning.
>Having run honest votes, I'm not unhappy about having someone else
>take them, since someone will *always* question your credibility if
>you have an interest in the vote.
Have you seen the backlog of newsgroup proposals not put to the vote
because all the UVV's are "busy"?
>And I haven't seen any substantiated claims of the vote taker not
>reporting the vote fairly and accurately. Much better that the vote
>taker doesn't care.
Use DejaNews to search news.groups for numerous articles detailing Jan Isley's
(spit) vote fraud. Note that he forged cancels for some of these articles.
Wally Farley
[NewsGroups trimmed]
In article <ue0RsD...@bwalk.dm.com>, d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) writes:
|> Use DejaNews to search news.groups for numerous articles detailing Jan Isley's
|> (spit) vote fraud. Note that he forged cancels for some of these articles.
Are any of those articles from sources other than you and your gang of clones?
Regards,
WWFiv
Wally Farley Cupertino, CA
(farley...@tandem.com)
Dave Ratcliffe
On Fri, 16 Aug 96 22:00:00 EDT, d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) wrote:
-In article <4v22bs$1b...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>,
-davi...@tmr.com (bill davidsen) writes:
->And I haven't seen any substantiated claims of the vote taker not
->reporting the vote fairly and accurately. Much better that the vote
->taker doesn't care.
-
-Use DejaNews to search news.groups for numerous articles detailing Jan Isley's
-(spit) vote fraud. Note that he forged cancels for some of these articles.
And note how many of them come from you, Boursy and Grubor.
Splendid testimony as to their veracity.
John Milburn
d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) writes:
>You forgot to mention that we convinced Postech not to renew John E. Mulbirn's
>contract because of his Usenet forgeries and other net-abuse. He used to work
>on the construction of the Pohang Light Source, but not anymore. :-)
How can you live with yourself, Dimitri? Do you really believe the
lies and misinformation you attempt to spread? The above is an
absolute fabrication.
I no longer work on the "construction" of the Pohang Light Source
because it is complete (as of Oct '94). I do, however, still work at
the same laboratory. No one ever contacted Postech concerning my
contract. If you had, they'd have told you, in a very polite way no
doubt, to take a flying fuck at the moon (lots of Vonnegut fans here).
-jem
Baird Stafford
In article <ue0RsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) wrote:
<snip>
>Because the people voted without seeing the entire CFV and had no idea what
>they voted on. This campaigning by the proponent would have been perfectly
>appropriate if numbered ballots were used. Right now, any proponent can e-mail
>10,000 people and say: "Please e-mail vot...@foo.fi and say: I vote YES on
>my.favorite.newsgroup", and a few hundred would do this without questioning.
Oh, goody! Dimmy's back to play!
Dr. Vulis does know whereof he speaks: he tried a similar tactic with
soc.religion.paganism.
He added a couple of original variations to the theme, of course: he
wanted
people to vote NO on the UVV (but since he wanted them to vote against the
UVV
the CFV as a whole wasn't pertinent to his demand so he disincluded it -
though
he *did* include his own filled-out ballot), and instead of emailing his
completed
ballots to individuals he crossposted them to entire hierarchies wholly
inappropriate
to the topic of srp in the hope that public indignation might accomplish
for
him that which he was unable to do for himself - kill the fledgling group.
He never did explain, though, how he expected that to damage the UVV.
But he does know exactly how to create the havoc he is now warning against.
<snip>
>Have you seen the backlog of newsgroup proposals not put to the vote
>because all the UVV's are "busy"?
Oooh, lovely! Let's play, "Slant the Question!" Let me try! "Have you
seen
the backlog of newsgroup proposals not yet put to the vote because all the
UVVs
are busy?" I really like my version much better, because in all my time on
the 'Net I've yet to see a newsgroup lost in the pipeline due to
carelessness
of a UVV. Sooner or later they all seem to come up.
<snip>
Baird
bill davidsen
In article <gRRksD1...@bwalk.dm.com>,
Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
| Sharon, I don't know where you got the idea that we're against the UVV, but
| you're totally wrong. This simply isn't true. You should stop repeating the
| lies that Chris Lewis (spit) posts, or you'll lose all your credibility.
|
| We object to the UVV monopoly on running newsgroup creation votes. We believe
| that the proponents should run the votes whenever they can. When they can't,
| then UVV's help is greatly appreciated.
There are no times when a preponent can run a vote, because any
reasonable proponent realizes that a vote must not only *be* honest,
it must *appear* honest. This is true in the case of a relatively
uncontested vote, and doubly true in the case of a contentious vote.
I would rather have some standard software for counting votes which
could be installed on any reasonable machine, but mailers being what
they are it takes a human to bereally sure what a vote means (okay,
humans can't follow simple directions, either).
Colin Douthwaite
Peter da Silva (pe...@nmti.com) wrote:
> Trusted third parties running votes, even if they're not UVV, is a
> good thing. Proponents, however, aren't.
I actually agree with you on that point ! Amazing. :-)
Bye,
bill davidsen
In article <4vd130$l...@orm.southern.co.nz>,
Absolutely. The UVV was intended as a pool of neutral parties to
take votes, not as a group with magical powers granted by anyone in
particular. I'm sure it would take only a brief posting to get more
people to do it, but the selection would always be argued by those
who can't believe that people who follow the rules aren't going to
break the current rules to avoid having new ones.
People who would cheat themselves have a hard time believing anyone
who doesn't agree with them is honest ;-)
bill davidsen
In article <ue0RsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
Dr. Dimitri Vulis <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
| In article <4v22bs$1b...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>,
| davi...@tmr.com (bill davidsen) writes:
| >Um, are you saying that people shouldn't be allowed to try to
| >influence the vote? As long as the votes are really cast by the
| >people who vote them, not forged, why is this wrong?
|
| Because the people voted without seeing the entire CFV and had no idea what
| they voted on. This campaigning by the proponent would have been perfectly
| appropriate if numbered ballots were used. Right now, any proponent can e-mail
| 10,000 people and say: "Please e-mail vot...@foo.fi and say: I vote YES on
| my.favorite.newsgroup", and a few hundred would do this without questioning.
We manage to elect governments by allowing people to decide how much
research goes into their vote. You would never get agreement to let
"someone" choose the voters, not grom most of the net, and certainly
not from the people who run the systems.
|
| >Having run honest votes, I'm not unhappy about having someone else
| >take them, since someone will *always* question your credibility if
| >you have an interest in the vote.
|
| Have you seen the backlog of newsgroup proposals not put to the vote
| because all the UVV's are "busy"?
No, and I can't see how that could be, since most votes run in
hundreds or thousands of votes, and a program can sort the votes
into YES, NO, and "needs a human on this one." Peter ran some STV
things and multiway votes which may have required more human
intervention, but in general running a vote should take nothing more
than a small computer, a few hours, and a bit of integrety.
|
| >And I haven't seen any substantiated claims of the vote taker not
| >reporting the vote fairly and accurately. Much better that the vote
| >taker doesn't care.
|
| Use DejaNews to search news.groups for numerous articles detailing Jan Isley's
| (spit) vote fraud. Note that he forged cancels for some of these articles.
I meant subtantiated, as in it was proved that the votes counted
didn't represent the vosts cast, or the the votes cast were forged.
And by people who's votes were forged or ignored, rather than
someone who didn't like the way the vote turned out.
Dave Ratcliffe
On Sat, 07 Sep 96 12:18:13 EDT, d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) wrote:
-People who have no interest in the particular newsgroup (e.g. the folks
-who automatically vote NO or YES on every proposal or every (un)moderated
-proposal) are subverting the process and really ought not to vote.
How d'ya feel about people voting multiple times from different addresses on
the same machine?
Dr. Dimitri Vulis
In article <4vi4kl$1n...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>,
davi...@tmr.com (bill davidsen) beabled:
>In article <ue0RsD...@bwalk.dm.com>,
>Dr. Dimitri Vulis <d...@bwalk.dm.com> wrote:
>| In article <4v22bs$1b...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>,
>| davi...@tmr.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>
>| >Um, are you saying that people shouldn't be allowed to try to
>| >influence the vote? As long as the votes are really cast by the
>| >people who vote them, not forged, why is this wrong?
>|
>| Because the people voted without seeing the entire CFV and had no idea what
>| they voted on. This campaigning by the proponent would have been perfectly
>| appropriate if numbered ballots were used. Right now, any proponent can e-mail
>| 10,000 people and say: "Please e-mail vot...@foo.fi and say: I vote YES on
>| my.favorite.newsgroup", and a few hundred would do this without questioning.
>
>We manage to elect governments by allowing people to decide how much
>research goes into their vote. You would never get agreement to let
>"someone" choose the voters, not grom most of the net, and certainly
>not from the people who run the systems.
People who have no interest in the particular newsgroup (e.g. the folks
who automatically vote NO or YES on every proposal or every (un)moderated
proposal) are subverting the process and really ought not to vote.
We have the technical means to make reading the CFV a requirement for voting.
Let's use them.
>| >Having run honest votes, I'm not unhappy about having someone else
>| >take them, since someone will *always* question your credibility if
>| >you have an interest in the vote.
>|
>| Have you seen the backlog of newsgroup proposals not put to the vote
>| because all the UVV's are "busy"?
>
>No, and I can't see how that could be, since most votes run in
>hundreds or thousands of votes, and a program can sort the votes
>into YES, NO, and "needs a human on this one." Peter ran some STV
>things and multiway votes which may have required more human
>intervention, but in general running a vote should take nothing more
>than a small computer, a few hours, and a bit of integrety.
Are you a clueless newbie, an idiot, a liar, or all of the above?
Pidor da Syphilis ran his STV votes about the time I first killfiled him,
'87 or '88. The UVVs were (illegally) given the monopoly on newsgroup
creation votes in '93. The vote backlog due to shortage of votetakers
is in '96 (now). You either have no idea what you're talking about,
or are intentionally trying to confuse the issues.
I'd love to see Tim Skirvin or even Russ Alberry set up UseVote and
run some votes. I've set up UseVote. It's easy. Anybody can do it.
>| >And I haven't seen any substantiated claims of the vote taker not
>| >reporting the vote fairly and accurately. Much better that the vote
>| >taker doesn't care.
>|
>| Use DejaNews to search news.groups for numerous articles detailing Jan Isley's
>| (spit) vote fraud. Note that he forged cancels for some of these articles.
>
>I meant subtantiated, as in it was proved that the votes counted
>didn't represent the vosts cast, or the the votes cast were forged.
>And by people who's votes were forged or ignored, rather than
>someone who didn't like the way the vote turned out.
Learn to use AltaVista or DejaNews. If you don't see what gets posted to
news.groups, it's entirely your problem.
Dave Ratcliffe
[ newsgroups de-Vulisified again ]
On Sat, 07 Sep 96 21:15:23 EDT, d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) wrote:
-In article <323089f4...@news2.microserve.net>,
-da...@frackit.com (Dave Ratclip) beabled:
->On Sat, 07 Sep 96 12:18:13 EDT, d...@bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) wrote:
->-People who have no interest in the particular newsgroup (e.g. the folks
->-who automatically vote NO or YES on every proposal or every (un)moderated
->-proposal) are subverting the process and really ought not to vote.
->
->How d'ya feel about people voting multiple times from different addresses on
->the same machine?
-
-You know how I feel about Jan Isley, Peter da Silva, Jason Durbin, Dan Hartung,
-Chris Lewis, and their ilk - they should be fucked energetically in "meatspace"
-for their Usenet vote fraud, forgeries, spam, mailbombings and other net-abuse.
Would you like to answer the question now or would you rather try some more
ad hominem?