RESULT: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
David E. Smith
moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
There were 200 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 214 valid votes.
There were 3 abstains and 11 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting Discussion of ip-based blocklisting. (Moderated)
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 4 Jun 2003.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: adam brower <ad...@hermes-grp.com>
Proponent: Jim Seymour <nanae...@LinxNet.com>
Votetaker: David E. Smith <da...@technopagan.org>
RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.
Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
at their local hosts and networks. Recently, the use of centrally
controlled lists has gained a measure of acceptance, notably in their use
to reduce unsolicited bulk email, commonly known as "spam." This practice
of blocking traffic from insecure sites, sites believed to have bad
policies in place, or sites hosting known abusers has grown in favor.
This conclusion follows not only from the large number of distributed or
queryable lists in use today, but from the ways in which they are used.
Blocklists are no longer used only to prevent spam.
Current forums in which discussions of these topics are held attract many
contributors whose strong dislike of network abuse and its perpetrators
results in the drowning out of more quietly-stated views with which they
may be in disagreement. As a result, new readers of these groups are often
faced with a bewildering cacophony of advice, ill-conceived technical
information, and outright flames. Far from contributing to the reduction
of abuse, this actually contribute to its perpetuation by driving away the
very participants who have entered the group for assistance. In
particular, news.admin.net-abuse.email has been overwhelmed by the volume
of discussion of blocklist-related topics. It is hoped that the new group
will serve as a more focussed forum for these discussions, thereby
returning n.a.n-a.e to the purpose stated in its charter as "a forum for
discussion of possible abuses of e-mail."
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting will exist as an alternative forum where
interested parties may exchange views and information in a civil
manner. It is anticipated that not only administrators with comments,
questions, and observations on the use of blocklists, but also those
affected by their use (e.g., those whose addresses are listed in
blocklists, and abuse personnel) will find such a forum useful, and that
the discussions in the group will yield benefits not only to
administrators, abuse personnel, and those who find their addresses
listed, but to the internet community itself, by focussing attention
solely on blocklist issues, promoting calm, rational, informed discussion
of those issues, and in the end contributing to the reduction of network
abuse.
CHARTER: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is a newsgroup devoted to discussion
of subjects related to the use, administration, and effects of
blocklists in ameliorating the problem of unsolicited bulk email and
other unwanted or abusive network traffic. Any topic which is especially
of interest to those maintaining, using, or affected by blocklists
is welcome in this group.
The nature of the topic is such that expressions of anger and frustration
are expected, but vulgarity, ad hominem attacks, unwarranted generalisations
and non-productive displays of pique (however elegantly worded,) will be
rejected at the discretion of the moderators. Rejected articles will be
returned to the author. Where practicable, the moderator may include advice
on how to revise the article to better meet the criteria for acceptance.
In general, the moderators will not reject articles based on content, but
only on tone and language. However, some content may be deemed unsuitable.
Examples of content-related criteria for rejection may include ad hominem
attacks, repetitive expositions of largely identical arguments, and non-
informative expressions of opinion on the viability of one or another
list, method, provider, or listed entity. The focus will be on
information.
Although discussions in the group may focus on one or another listing in a
specific blocklist, the advice and opinions expressed in the group should
not be taken as authoritative for any listing or list. Maintainers of
various lists use their own various criteria, and may or may not be
influenced by postings in the group, however well-informed or accurate.
All messages removed by unauthorized cancels will be automatically reposted
by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program, or at the discretion of a group
moderator. Spams, gateway spews, and other attacks on the system itself will
be removed as appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.
Binary files will not be approved for posting in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting.
The following are sample topics which will be addressed in
news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting:
Blocklist creation and maintenance
Nomination and delisting procedures
Criteria used in listings
Pros and cons of DNSBL usage
Reduction of "false positives"
Discussions of blocklist listings
Effects of blocklist use on spam volume
Other technologies for propagation and querying of a list
New uses for blocklists
Cross-posting articles to news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting is not
allowed; exceptions may be made at the discretion of the moderators,
as for example in the case of FAQ's.
Moderation will be performed using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation
Program (STUMP) or similar technology, which will be supplied by Scott
Hazen Mueller. Where practicable, the following procedures will be
followed by the moderation team:
- The moderators will maintain the tone of discourse so as to minimize the
heated discussions to which the subject often leads.
- Although moderators themselves may have strong opinions on the efficacy,
application, or side-effects of one or another blocklist or other method
of reducing spam, they are expected to refrain from allowing such
opinions to influence their approval or rejection of articles.
- The moderators may use the tools provided (now or in the future) to aid
in moderation of the group. These may include "white lists," "black
lists," keywording of headers, and word-filtering.
- Moderators will be added to or removed from the team by a 2/3 majority
vote. In the case of a vote for removal, the moderator under review will
not be permitted to vote.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
Moderator: Kelly Molloy <ke...@uppitychick.net>
Moderator: David Romerstein <mode...@hanov3r.com>
Moderator: Jim Seymour <nanae...@LinxNet.com>
Moderator: Matt Tway <b...@rscubed.com>
Moderator: Larry M. Smith <SgtC...@fahq2.org>
Moderator: Scott Hazen Mueller <sc...@zorch.sf-bay.org>
Moderator: Dave Lugo <dl...@etherboy.com>
Moderator: WD Baseley <wbas...@mindspring.com>
Moderator: Gary Callison <hu...@interaccess.com>
Administrative contact address: ad...@hermes-grp.com
Article submission address: i...@nanab.org
END MODERATOR INFO.
DISTRIBUTION:
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news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting Final Vote Ack
(To recreate the original email addresses, replace % with @)
Voted Yes
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32123%spamcop.net 32123
72027.3605%compuserve.com Bob Bailin
9cms4%qlink.queensu.ca Corey Seward
aardvarkz%austin.rr.com Aardvark Zymurgy
abuse%trackdata.com Abuse
abuse%treehouse.dyndns.org Admin Treehouse
alansz%tala.mede.uic.edu Alan Schwartz
aminggs%yahoo.co.uk Andrew M. Inggs
amurph%teleport.com A. Murphy
andrew%andrewr.co.uk Andrew Rendle
andrew%spamcon.org Andrew Barrett
anthony%catfish.nildram.co.uk Anthony Edwards
Bar630%aol.com Barbara Anne Richards<BR>
barryd%idunno.org Barry Dorrans
benscott%nwlink.com Ben Scott
bfrost%nyx.net Bonnell Frost
Bill.Maloy%goldinc.com Bill Maloy
bill%scconsult.com Bill Cole
blecorchick%earthlink.net Brian Lecorchick
bob%cluestick.org Bob O`Bob
boblyons%umich.edu Robert H. Lyons, Jr.
bouvin%daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin
brian%word-to-the-wise.com Brian McNett (usenet handle "Caveman Og")
bsbox%mindspring.com Mark Garrett
buff%pobox.com William Denton
bz%chemserv.chem.lsu.edu Bob Zinn
carel%xs4all.nl Carel
cathy%acornhosting.net Cathy Sarisky
cfaber%fpsn.net Colin Faber
chris%kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman
chris%westnet.com Christopher X. Candreva
cikovic%cluestick.org Robert Cikovic
clare%hawthorne.me.uk Clare Elliott
cn236%freenet.carleton.ca Scott Delahunt
cshard%cvc.net Shelly
csmrl%bath.ac.uk Rayner Lucas
csusenet%hotmail.com Cliff Stancil
c_ish%mindspring.com Christopher Ish
d.rinewalt%tcu.edu Dick Rinewalt
davenull%snet.net Martin Roth
david%desjardins.org David desJardins
david%farrar.com David Farrar
davidbath1%bigfoot.com David E. Bath
dc%panix.com David W. Crawford
devin%thecabal.org Devin L. Ganger
dfrost%maths.tcd.ie Dermot Frost
dioneo%hotmail.com Onion Knight
dlugo%etherboy.com Dave Lugo
dmacks%sas.upenn.edu Daniel E. Macks
dmckeon%swcp.com Denis McKeon
dmurdoch%pair.com Duncan Murdoch
don-aitken%freeuk.com Don Aitken
dritz%suespammers.org David Ritz
dsr%mail.lns.cornell.edu Dan Riley
dtesler%tcg-systems.com Hawkeye-X
earthscibbs%rogers.com David Ramalho
Ed%Bertsch.org edward bertsch
edward%paleo.org Edward Reid
Ekkehard%Uthke.de Ekkehard Uthke
elias%killerlink.net Elias Alvord
elucero%inet.cl Eduardo Lucero
erik%selwerd.nl Erik Warmelink
ermannov%despammed.com Ermanno Iannacci
esa.peuha%helsinki.fi Esa Peuha
Espen.Randen%rikshospitalet.no Espen Randen
expategghead%hotmail.com Adrian Edmonds
franck.thales%wanadoo.fr Franck T.
george%george.nu George Rickle
ggw%wolves.durham.nc.us Gregory Woodbury
glenn%delink.net Brian T Glenn
gniko%gniko.com Niko Mikkanen
grabiner%alumni.princeton.edu David Grabiner
graham.drabble%lineone.net Graham Drabble
gregb%blackholio.dyndns.org Greg R. Broderick
gregga%hickorytech.net Gregg Anderson
harder%ifa.au.dk Jesper Harder
hezu+usenetvote%iki.fi Heikki Kantola
hg-nanabvote%queue.to howard goldstein
hokan%me.umn.edu Hokan
huey%interaccess.com Gary S. "Huey" Callison
InactiveX666%hotmail.com Ronald D. Edge
instring%yahoo.com Herb Oxley
j.riden%massey.ac.nz James Riden
jbl%spamblocked.com J. B. Levin
jcolson%ndgonline.com Joshua Colson
jdg%diogenes.sacramento.ca.us John David Galt
jeffwynn%spamblocked.com Jeff Wynn
jfh%avondale.demon.co.uk John F Hall
jimhowes%prosig.com Jim Howes
jimi-tubman%blueyonder.co.uk Jimi Tubman
jjaworsk%mts.net Jim Jaworski
jjf%usenet.twinlobber.org.uk James John Farmer
jlewis%lewis.org Jon Lewis
jley%shaw.ca James Ley
JLR%artech.com.uy Jos=E9 Lamas R=EDos
jmalina%best.com Jo Ann Malina
jmaynard%conmicro.cx Jay Maynard
jmorris%cac.washington.edu James Morris
jmprice%calweb.com John M Price PhD
johan%outerlimits.cx Johan Haagsma
john%TheWorld.com Jacmo Fenanay
john%tradoc.fr John Wilcock
johnday%wordsnimages.com John Day
johnl%iecc.com John R. Levine
jrusling-0305%cox.net Jim Rusling
jseymour%LinxNet.com Jim Seymour
julesd%erols.com Jules Dubois
JunkDTectr%carolina.rr.com Murray Watson
jwalz+nan%radix.net Janet Walz
k6cdo%attbi.com Don Root
kcole16%ford.com Kathy Cole
keithlim%pobox.com keith lim
kelly%uppitychick.net Kelly Molloy
kenrbnsn%rbnsn.com Ken Robinson
kilgallen%Encompasserve.org Larry Kilgallen
kkrueger%whoi.edu Karl A. Krueger
kmorgan%spamcop.net Kathy Morgan
lsimonetta%newsguy.com Leo G. Simonetta
mail%sebastian-brocks.de Sebastian Brocks
matt.b%myrealbox.com Matt B
matthew%blackholes.us Matthew J. Evans
md%Linux.IT Marco d'Itri
michael%moria.de Michael Haardt
mjt%tls.msk.ru Michael Tokarev
mmrosa%bigpond.net.au Michal Rosa
mongrel_mind%yahoo.com Mongrel Mind
naddy%mips.inka.de Christian Weisgerber
nanab.vote%ccmt.biz Dot Matrix
nanabvote%bac.mailshell.com Bruce Crawford
nanabvote%heresiarch.demon.co.uk Chris Suslowicz
nanabvote%honet.com Michael Rathbun
Ned_Fleming%wr.com Ned Fleming
nickptar%mindspring.com Nick Tarleton
nihongo%paxonet.com Kevin Wayne Williams
nomad%gwu.edu Andrew Tellez
nospam%mialfreak.com Claes Tullbrink
onetrue%comcast.net Matt Carothers
p.texier%genindre.org Patrick Texier
pascoedj+usenet%spamcop.net David Pascoe
paul%eucleides.com Paul A. Franz, P.E.
peter.peters%civ.utwente.nl Peter Peters
pgalimatias%hotmail.com Pelerin Galimatias
pholmes%mediares.com Phillip Brandon Holmes
porjes%spamcop.net Peter Stephenson
prickly_pdtar%att.net Jim La Vergne
priruss%ev1.net Russ Price
p_spinosa%cluestick.org Rick Blackthorn
Quasimodo%Yahoo.com Jim Higgins
qwerty34560%lycos.com Brian Reed
rault00%earthlink.net Russ Ault, aka Werehatrack
Richard~%mandarin.com Richard Cox
rick%bcm.tmc.edu Richard H Miller
rickm%bright.net Rick Mendenhall
rkt%keyknife.com Richard C. Tietjens
rnews%river.com Richard Johnson
Robert.Allen%cityofhouston.net Robert A. Allen
romer%hanov3r.com David Romerstein
ronnirubin%sprintmail.com Arthur L. Rubin
rrclark%rrclark.net Richard R Clark
ru.igarashi%usask.ca ru igarashi
sapient.fridge%spamsites.org Sapient Fridge
sbfaulds%ihug.co.nz Stuart Faulds
sean%nisd.net SEAN EMBRY
sethb%panix.com Seth Breidbart
SgtChains%FahQ2.com Larry M. Smith
shrdlu%deaddrop.org Etaoin Shrdlu
simon%darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall
sleeper%dcemail.com sleeper
smlucas%flashmail.com Steven Lucas
spam%puppet-head.co.uk steve peake
spammaster%cpcug.org spammaster
spamstop%start.no Rune Persson
spamsurfer%ev1.net Chris N.</P>
spamtrap%houston.rr.com Steven Marzuola
strads%excite.com George Crissman
tbetz%pobox.com THOMAS BETZ
thg%interoil.com Terry H. Gilsenan
thierry%pompo.net Thierry Thomas
thomas%wkaz.net Thomas Lemoine
thor%anta.net Thor Kottelin
tim%denmantire.com Tim Boyer
tlgdropbox%mindspring.com Ted Louis Glenn
ToledoCyberCafe%aol.com Karen Hoffmann<BR>
tskirvin%killfile.org Tim Skirvin
usenet.roku%gehena.demon.co.uk Rex M F Smith
usenet01+SPAMBLOCK%appropriate-tech.net Jay T. Blocksom
van.ette%inter.nl.net Robert-Jan van Ette
varys%fortytwo.ch Adrian von Bidder
verbila%there.net Verbila
vince%spamtraps.org Vincent Schonau
vpdura%hiwaay.net Vic Dura
warnold%vipnet.org Billy Arnold
wbe%psr.com Winston Edmond
werner%ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Werner
wesu%attbi.com Wayne Sanders-Unrein
wimm%wimware.net Wim Morrison (wimm%wimware.net)
WireGuy13%aol.com Gary Grossoehme
wisanr%catskill.net Dick Wisan
wiz%verinet.com Wiz
woofridge%aol.com Woof Ridge
Voted No
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alanb%digistar.com Alan Brown
cmize%goiter.com Chuck Mize
gaillard%panix.com Ed Gaillard
gprrspw%mindspring.com G.P. Ryan
irenka_gra%yahoo.com irenka gra
lsheldon%creighton.edu Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
mhunter%atlantic.net Rob Maxwell
mountainmagic%factscanada.com Jason Harrison
painmaster%canada.com Michael Masters
pan%syix.com Pan
psmyth%gmx.net Peter Smyth
rolyv%bigpond.com Roland Verlander
stainles%realtime.net Dwight Brown
tomp%st.net.au Tom Perrett
Abstained
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axlq%spamcop.net Axlq
ernestcline%mindspring.com Ernest Cline
joele%pop4.net Joel Ehrlich
Votes in error
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abuse%sgrail.org Derek Morton
! Ack bounced
adam%hermes-grp.com Adam Brower
! Ack bounced
address%signature.blk Jay T. Blocksom
! Ack bounced
daigaku%cruelmail.com Andrea Rimicci
! Ack bounced
JOE%OREGON.UOREGON.EDU Joe St Sauver
! Ack bounced
mikea%mikea.ath.cx Mike Andrews
! Ack bounced
ramsa%swva.net Patricia A. Shaffer
! Ack bounced
rault4242%netzero.net Werehatrack
! Ack bounced
SgtChains%Chickenboner.com Larry M. Smith
! No ballot
tpp%chickenboner.com Tero Paananen
! Ack bounced
usenet%tirani.net Tirani
! Invalid address
nuc_leus
> RESULT
> moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
ALL lies.
>There were 200 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 214 valid votes.
>There were 3 abstains and 11 invalid ballots.
ALL lies and fabrication.
Where do you get 200 "votes" nowadays?
Well, ONLY if you are to pass a "moderated" group.
THAT is where.
Zig heil!
nuc_leus
> moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
>
>There were 200 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 214 valid votes.
>There were 3 abstains and 11 invalid ballots.
>
>For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
>votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
>
>There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
>serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
>news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
>
>
>Newsgroups line:
>news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting Discussion of ip-based blocklisting.
> (Moderated)
>
>Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 4 Jun 2003.
>
>This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
>proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
>
>Proponent: adam brower <ad...@hermes-grp.com>
>Proponent: Jim Seymour <nanae...@LinxNet.com>
>Votetaker: David E. Smith <da...@technopagan.org>
>
>
>RATIONALE: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
There could be no "rationale" for nazism.
Blocklisting is but a manifestation of nazism.
>The increasing use and popularity of methods to propagate and query a
>list of data in an attempt to reduce network abuse has given rise to the
>need for a group specifically devoted to the discussion of their use and
>administration. These methods include dns-based blocklists (DNSBL),
>right-hand side blocklists (RHSBL,) among others.
>
>Historically, blocklists have long been used by local administrators to
>regularize the habits of not only their local users, but the outside world,
>at their local hosts and networks.
Blocking the entire domains, need be.
Censoring the entire networks, need be.
Nazism knows no limit indeed.
When are you going to start buring the books?
Enough.
Barry Dorrans
it's created.
Tom Betz
news:1055008...@isc.org:
> RESULT
> moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
I look forward to seeing a prompt change in the SPEWS FAQ, and an increase in
the S/N here.
Crimefighter
news:bbtetd$296e$2...@news.kiev.sovam.com...
> In article <1055008...@isc.org>, David E. Smith
<da...@technopagan.org> wrote:
> > RESULT
> > moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
>
> ALL lies.
Why do you care you didn't even cast a vote!
Patricia A. Shaffer
<da...@technopagan.org> wrote:
> RESULT
> moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
>
>There were 200 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 214 valid votes.
>There were 3 abstains and 11 invalid ballots.
>
>For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
>votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
>
>There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
>serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
>news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
>
>
>Newsgroups line:
>news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting Discussion of ip-based blocklisting. (Moderated)
>
>Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 4 Jun 2003.
>
>This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
>proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
>
>Proponent: adam brower <ad...@hermes-grp.com>
>Proponent: Jim Seymour <nanae...@LinxNet.com>
>Votetaker: David E. Smith <da...@technopagan.org>
Hey ... I learned that the ack for my original "Yes" vote (from ramsa at
swva.net) bounced: that was because the address was sacrificed to spare
the servers during the Boycott America joe-job. I voted "Yes" in the
second call with my current address ramsa at pemtel net; why wasn't that
counted.
--
Patricia
ra...@pemtel.net ra...@pandora.orbl.org
Proud Citizen of the Commonwealth of Virginia
"Anti-spammers are the immune system of the Internet." CDR M. Dobson
"The issue is consent, not content." Crosscut
Help Outlaw spam! <http://www.cauce.org>
ba...@dmcom.net
>
> Hey ... I learned that the ack for my original "Yes" vote (from ramsa at
> swva.net) bounced: that was because the address was sacrificed to spare
> the servers during the Boycott America joe-job. I voted "Yes" in the
> second call with my current address ramsa at pemtel net; why wasn't that
> counted.
>
Did you get an ack? If not the vote might not have been recieved (or
recieved in time). The basic guideline does require a voter to make
sure vote was recieved and recorded correctly (which requires the
recieving the ack).
As you indicated you voted Yes I do take it you are not contesting the
Result itself, just trying to find out why your vote was not recorded.
--
news:alt.pagan FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/altpag.txt
news:alt.religion.wicca FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/arwfaq2.txt
news:news.groups FAQ at http://www.dmcom.net/bard/ngfaq.txt
Want a new group FAQs http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/ncreate.html
nuc_leus
> RESULT
> moderated group news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting passes 200:14
>
>There were 200 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 214 valid votes.
>There were 3 abstains and 11 invalid ballots.
>
>For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
>votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
>
>There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
>serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
>news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Discussion is simple enough:
What you are dealing with here
is a bunch of sick criminals
and assorted megalomaniacs,
censoring all there is to censor,
destroying all there is to destroy,
squashing all with their fascist boot of opression,
and running the biggest system of deceit
ever on a public record since the days of UUCP,
the founding days of news distribution system.
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: b...@templetons.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: USENET - it is over
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Message-ID: <wc7T7.10286$Kg2.1212411@rwcrnsc51>
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:10:04 GMT
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:10:04 GMT
[...]
As is the voting, which was just
a fraud
to make people shut up once they lost a vote.
(In those days, the debates would get long and the person
pushing for a group nobody else wanted would never go away
and admit defeat. Voting with the silly '100 more' rule
was not to create democracy, but to end the debate.)
======================= End of quote =======================
Yes, all net nazis voted as a block
to support this horrendous system of oppression,
an outlet for promotion of nazi propaganda.
This will nail the last nail into the coffin of usenet
that has been abused by these very nazis so much
throughout the years, it is amazing usenet still exists.
Bob O`Bob
>
> I wonder if spews will shift their "whinge here" directions to this once
> it's created.
This question was asked many months ago.
And, although this may shock you, SPEWS *answered*
Rick Pikul
crimef...@deadspam.com says...
He's been going on like this ever since he couldn't post to the
moderated group comp.ai, that the problem was that his server had the
group set wrong isn't relevant to Bloxy's/nucleus/whatever.
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David E. Smith
> Hey ... I learned that the ack for my original "Yes" vote (from ramsa at
> swva.net) bounced: that was because the address was sacrificed to spare
> the servers during the Boycott America joe-job. I voted "Yes" in the
> second call with my current address ramsa at pemtel net; why wasn't that
> counted.
Your email had a "Reply-To: ramsa at svwa dot net" header (in real email
address form, natch), which the voting system honored. That address
generated two bounces (one for each of the two times you voted).
...dave
Jim Seymour
David, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for handling
the vote-taking for NANAB :).
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Towse
Has this changed?
The Reply-To I'm seeing with Patricia's posts is ramsa at swva
dot net.
?
... or did you just transpose the eaddr?
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Towse
Towse wrote:
>
> "David E. Smith" wrote:
> >
> > In news.groups Patricia A. Shaffer wrote:
> >
> > > Hey ... I learned that the ack for my original "Yes" vote (from ramsa at
> > > swva.net) bounced: that was because the address was sacrificed to spare
> > > the servers during the Boycott America joe-job. I voted "Yes" in the
> > > second call with my current address ramsa at pemtel net; why wasn't that
> > > counted.
> >
> > Your email had a "Reply-To: ramsa at svwa dot net" header (in real email
> > address form, natch), which the voting system honored. That address
> > generated two bounces (one for each of the two times you voted).
>
> Has this changed?
>
> The Reply-To I'm seeing with Patricia's posts is ramsa at swva
> dot net.
>
> ?
>
> ... or did you just transpose the eaddr?
I'd bcc:'d that questionable address in my post (the swva. not
the svwa.) and yes, indeedee-do, it bounces. Perhaps when someone
sacrifices an address, the reply-to: should be updated as well.
David E. Smith
>> > Hey ... I learned that the ack for my original "Yes" vote (from
>> > ramsa at swva.net) bounced: that was because the address was
>> > sacrificed to spare the servers during the Boycott America joe-job.
>> > I voted "Yes" in the second call with my current address ramsa at
>> > pemtel net; why wasn't that counted.
>>
>> Your email had a "Reply-To: ramsa at svwa dot net" header (in real
>> email address form, natch), which the voting system honored. That
>> address generated two bounces (one for each of the two times you
>> voted).
>
> Has this changed?
>
> The Reply-To I'm seeing with Patricia's posts is ramsa at swva
> dot net.
>
> ... or did you just transpose the eaddr?
Yeah, it was that transpose/typo thing.
Patricia's votes were sent from pemtel dot net, but the Reply-To: header
had that swva/svwa/whatever address. At any rate, the voting software
tried to reply to the specified address, failed, and I logged it as a
bounced vote ack.
...dave
Murray Watson
Seymour says...
> In article <6v0frx...@thedave.dynup.net>,
> "David E. Smith" <da...@technopagan.org> writes:
> > In news.groups Patricia A. Shaffer wrote:
> >
> >> Hey ... I learned that the ack for my original "Yes" vote (from ramsa at
> >> swva.net) bounced: that was because the address was sacrificed to spare
> >> the servers during the Boycott America joe-job. I voted "Yes" in the
> >> second call with my current address ramsa at pemtel net; why wasn't that
> >> counted.
> >
> > Your email had a "Reply-To: ramsa at svwa dot net" header (in real email
> > address form, natch), which the voting system honored. That address
> > generated two bounces (one for each of the two times you voted).
>
> David, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for handling
> the vote-taking for NANAB :).
Seconded.
When will the newgroup cmsg be sent and by whom. I'd hate if
this fell through the cracks.
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>
> When will the newgroup cmsg be sent and by whom. I'd hate if
> this fell through the cracks.
ocated in NC (North Carolina)
The control should have already been sent or sent soon. I do not see a
control archived.
The 5 day discussion period ended June 12 (with no protest filed that I
know of).
30.All portions of the proposal that passed will be implemented by
control messages issued by the n.a.n moderation team.
Control messages will generally be sent shortly after the waiting
period (point 27) and final validation of the results, but may be
delayed due to major holidays, initial setup of moderation, or
transition periods (for example, during renames, removal of an existing
group may be delayed until creation of its replacement has had time to
propagate). "
As indicated there might be a few reasons for a delay.
Russ Allbery
> When will the newgroup cmsg be sent and by whom. I'd hate if this fell
> through the cracks.
I would be sending it right now, but the forwarding address hasn't been
propagated to the moderation relays yet. I'm pursuing that right now, and
hoping to send the control message either today or tomorrow.
Don't worry, it won't fall between the cracks.
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Roasted Billy-Goates never reads email sent to him. Post to the group.
> Murray Watson <JunkD...@carolina.rr.com> writes:
>
> > When will the newgroup cmsg be sent and by whom. I'd hate if this fell
> > through the cracks.
>
> I would be sending it right now, but the forwarding address hasn't been
> propagated to the moderation relays yet. I'm pursuing that right now, and
> hoping to send the control message either today or tomorrow.
>
> Don't worry, it won't fall between the cracks.
Tap, tap, tap.
ru.ig...@usask.ca
>Tap, tap, tap.
The control message has already been sent and the group appeared at
various sites during the week of 16 June, and a dozen or so postings
(nothing interesting yet) have already appeared. If you are still
waiting for it to appear at your provider, you may have to ask your
provider to add the group to their service. This is not unusual
(unfortunately).
ru
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Usenet popularity is the primary consideration.
Jim Rusling
<snip>
>The control message has already been sent and the group appeared at
>various sites during the week of 16 June, and a dozen or so postings
>(nothing interesting yet) have already appeared. If you are still
>waiting for it to appear at your provider, you may have to ask your
>provider to add the group to their service. This is not unusual
>(unfortunately).
>
>ru
If you post does show up locally, also check and make sure that the
approved header has been added. If it has not, then your ISP probably
did not set it up as moderated.
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