Fourth draft - - RFD: rec.motorcycles.victory
John Corliss
be sent to other groups until this RFD is finalized.)
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group rec.motorcycles.victory
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, rec.motorcycles.victory
NEWSGROUPS LINE: rec.motorcycles.victory
rec.motorcycles.victory Victory motorcycles: riders, tech, tips,
resources.
DISTRIBUTION LIST: (I have not listed groups that discuss offroad bikes
or other makes except Harley Davidson. Pointers to the RFD will be
cross-posted to the following groups of five so as to avoid being
labeled as spam.)
Primary distribution:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
rec.motorcycles
rec.motorcycles.harley
rec.motorcycles.tech
Secondary distribution:
alt.motorcycles.abate
alt.motorcycles.harley
uk.rec.motorcycles
tx.motorcycles
aus.motorcycles
(The following groups will not be notified due to insufficient activity
as based on their current article counts:
alt.motorcycles
alt.motorcycles.mrf
alt.uk.motorcycles.harley
ba.motorcycles
be.rec.motorcycles
can.rec.motorcycles
fj.rec.motorcycles
ky.motorcycles
ne.motorcycles
ni.motorcycles
nordunet.rec.motorcycles
nyc.motorcycles
ott.motorcycles
tamu.clubs.motorcycles
tnn.rec.motorcycles)
PROPONENT INFORMATION: John Corliss, rtd3ws at yahoo dot com
CHARTER:
The rec.motorcycles.victory group is an unmoderated group for
discussion of the use, maintenance and modification of, as well as other
topics pertinent to, Polaris Victory (hereafter referred to simply as
"Victory") motorcycles. Examples of other pertinent topics are schedules
of Victory or other motorcycle rider gathering type events, as well as
Victory motorcycle company news. Posters are expected to abide by normal
Usenet standards of decorum (for example, bottom posting will be the
norm, lurking a while before posting, etc.) and to refrain from sending,
as well as ignore, articles intended to disrupt the group. The group
will be unmoderated and will not be gated to a mailing list.
Examples of inappropriate (changed from "unacceptable") posts are the
following:
* Off topic articles, including:
- Personal advertisements, unless for Victory motorcycles
and Victory motorcycle parts, either stock or aftermarket
- Commercial advertisements
- Money-making schemes
- Chain letters
- EMP AKA "excessive multiple posting" spam
- General discussions not related to Victory motorcycles
* Articles with unacceptable content, such as:
- HTML
- Copyright violations
- Excessive quoting
- Threats and/or advocation of violence
- Binaries, except PGP signatures, X-Face headers, and other
ancillary meta-data
* Attempts to subvert message filtering or to pretend to be
somebody else, such as:
- Forgery or imitation of a valid e-mail address
- Excessive morphing/nym-shifting AKA "using sock puppets"
RATIONALE: rec.motorcycles.victory
To promote the safe use of Victory motorcycles as well as to better
develop social connections among Victory riders, it's vital for owners
to be able to easily exchange information on a world-wide basis and this
newsgroup will fill that need. There are a several online forums
available for discussing Victory motorcycles:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/VictoryDigest/
http://forums.thevmc.com/megabbs/category-view.asp
http://savr.phpbbnow.com/
http://victorypowerriders.com/phpBB2/index.php
http://www.illinoisvictoryriders.com/forums/
http://www.kingpincruisers.net/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,38/
http://www.mwmotorcycles.com/forum/index.php?board=54.0
http://www.rideavictory.com/forum/
http://www.tcvr.us/messages/
http://www.thvmc.com/forums/
http://www.v-twinforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=120
http://www.victory-motorcycle.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi
http://www.vmclinks.com/x/modules/newbb/
but many of them are more or less regionally limited, require
registration or membership, and-or are difficult to find.
Other motorcycle newsgroups are generally for the discussion of other
makes of motorcycles and-or the participant communicates in non-English
languages. The rec.motorcycles group is an exception but is too
generalized and far too active (currently well over 100,000 posts have
been made in that group and the rate is well over 200 posts a day.)
Although rec.motorcycles might work for an occasional question,
getting a useful answer to a question from another Victory owner is much
less likely due to the vast readership.
Ownership and interest in Victory motorcyles has grown to the point
where there will be adequate interest to support a make-specific
newsgroup. This would be similar to the way rec.motorcyles.harley serves
the community of those interested in Harley Davidson motorcyles.
Based on the topic alone, there would be no (or at least very little)
overlap with other motorcycle groups and rec.motorcycles.victory would
be easy to locate for Victory owners who are usenet savvy.
TRAFFIC ANALYSIS
(I can also put the list of forums [above] here I suppose. Also note
that my analysis is based only on what I see propagated in the newsfeed
which my ISP uses, that is Supernews)
2006-10-27 analysis of existing motorcycle newsgroup activity is as follows:
GROUP NAME CURRENT ARTICLE COUNT
nordunet.rec.motorcycles 6
alt.uk.motorcycles.harley 62
tamu.clubs.motorcycles 69
tnn.rec.motorcycles 70
ky.motorcycles 72
alt.motorcycles.mrf 130
pa.motorcycle 309
ne.motorcycles 376
alt.motorcycles.abate 459
can.rec.motorcycles 618
ni.motorcycles 760
alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles 874
uk.rec.motorcycles.trailriding 1096
rj.rec.motorcycles 1431
alt.motorcycles.ducati 1536
nyc.motorcycles 1784
be.rec.motorcycles 2985
alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles.sportbike 3758
alt.binaries.pictures.motorcycles.harley 8052
alt.motorcycles.yamaha 9740
rec.motorcycles.racing 14724
alt.motorcycles 14872
ba.motorcycles 19484
ott.motorcycles 21411
rec.motorcycles.tech 22189
uk.rec.motorcycles.classic 25085
alt.motorcycles.harley 30582
tK.motorcycles 50340
tw.bbs.rec.motorcycle 55328
alt.motorcycle.sportbike 89004
rec.motorcycles.dirt 122735
aus.motorcycles 150446
rec.motorcycles.harley 229118
rec.motorcycles 281282
uk.rec.motorcycles 702114
PROCEDURE:
Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its final
resolution should subscribe to news:news.groups and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup. This is both a courtesy to groups in
which discussion of creating a new group is off-topic as well as the
best method of making sure that one's comments or criticisms are heard.
All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to news.groups.
If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups as well.
We urge those who would like to read or post in the proposed newsgroup
to make a comment to that effect in this thread; we ask proponents to
keep a list of such positive posts with the relevant message ID
(e.g., Barney Fife, <4JGdnb60fsMzHA7Z...@sysmatrix.net>).
Such lists of positive feedback for the proposal may constitute good
evidence that the group will be well-used if it is created.
For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:creation
HISTORY:
2006-10-25 First draft submitted by John Corliss
2006-10-26 Second draft submitted by John Corliss, after researching
online Victory forums and implementing changes which were suggested by
Brian Mailman, Tom Skirvin and Cyli.
2006-10-27 Third draft, submitted by John Corliss, after reviewing
current newsgroups for activity levels and implementing changes
suggested by goanna, Aratzio and Jim Riley.
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Regards from John Corliss
John Corliss
by tomorrow, I will remove my bracketed comments and finalize this RFD.
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I have inserted spaces to align the article count column. For some
reason, my carefully inserted tabs appeared differently when reading
this article than they did when I composed it. Go figure.
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Regards from John Corliss.
John Corliss
> If there are no further comments that result in changes (hope-a hope-a)
> by tomorrow, I will remove my bracketed comments and finalize this RFD.
> 80)>
Please reply to the new thread titled "Draft discussion -
RFD:rec.motorcycles.victory"
I now realize that I've created too many threads on this topic and will
confine further revisions to that thread only.
goanna
> If there are no further comments that result in changes (hope-a hope-a)
> by tomorrow, I will remove my bracketed comments and finalize this RFD.
> 80)>
I'd like to commend the proponent on his patience, and
his calm and sensible responses to feedback on the RFD.
There comes a point where fine-tuning the proposal
becomes effectively indistingishable from nit-picking.
This one is ready for the decision process.
Becky Fenton
> (My comments are included in brackets. Notice of this message will not
> be sent to other groups until this RFD is finalized.)
>
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group rec.motorcycles.victory
>
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
> unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, rec.motorcycles.victory
>
> NEWSGROUPS LINE: rec.motorcycles.victory
>
> rec.motorcycles.victory Victory motorcycles: riders, tech, tips,
> resources.
An excellent idea, John.