Corrupt totalitarian usenet "rulers" and their tricks
jc
In article <250520012027087035%newsw...@these-survive.net>,
Joe Bernstein <newsw...@these-survive.net> wrote:
>This is rather long and much of it is probably too much about specific
>individuals to interest everyone. Sorry; you're warned. Anyone
>unfamiliar with me and wanting to know who I am for future reference
>may however be well-advised to keep reading since this post contains a
>fair bit of tedious self-justification.
>piranha <pir...@gooroos.com> wrote:
>> j...@these-survive.net (Joe Bernstein) wrote in
>> <1etxw0e.19lrb881v2g68kN%j...@these-survive.net>:
>> >
>> > I may have been the only non-"kook" news.groups regular who was outraged
>> > by the rec.arts.anime decision other than Ken Arromdee, so I suppose
>> > this isn't surprising, but there you go.
>>
>> no, you were by far not the only one. there were several others
>> of us who spoke up quite loudly against miscification.
>Granted. But what I remember from that time is that I erupted in
>actually excessive howls of outrage. This was partly because I had in
>fact requested action from tale on other issues at the time, he hadn't
>answered (I little doubt this is because I'd written the wrong address
>though), and so I saw disproportion. Regardless, I soon went on an
>anti-tale vendetta that is still colouring a number of people's
>opinions of me here four years later, and that most news.groups readers
>made a point of not engaging with *at all* until other things went
>wrong that made me look a little less kooky.
>In other words, I'm not claiming that I was the only anti-.misc person
>in attendance - at that particular time, I wasn't even particularly
>anti-.misc (I came to that view thanks to the sci.classics renaming,
>rather later on). I'm claiming that as I remember it I was the next
>*angriest* person after Ken Arromdee. This is not an attempt to sound
>more credible, in this context, rather a disclaimer of credibility.
>The context of my post was Jonathan Kamens (who I gather is *not*
>currently in group-advice, though, correct?) saying Ken Arromdee is the
>only person requesting a change in the guidelines on this score so it
>can't be very important. I was saying well look, maybe you can brush
>me off too as another axe-grinder, but he is not the only person.
>
>> you appear to be, however, nearly the only one who's still trying
>> to fight the *.misc war. it's over. and we have actually won it.
What a donkey.
What HAVE you "won", Mr. oblivion?
Misc hierarchy is a reflection of your face of disgrace.
It is the MOST idiotic thing one could imagine in his
wildest dreams.
You have created such a junk yard, that it is simply
beyond idiocy.
And you have guts to say "WE" won it?
Who is "we"?
Some giant system of conspiracy of power hungry idiots,
sabotaging big-8?
This single hierarchy is enough to prove your "system"
is WELL beyond delusion.
It is even beyond senility.
>Well, yeah, and hooray. I don't say enough that's positive in this
>group any more, it's true, but I *am* glad of that. OK?
>The *.misc thing is, I repeat, *not* what outraged me about the
>rec.arts.anime decision at that time.
>> > The point is that when tale
>> > pocket-vetoed rec.arts.anime, he never *did* explain that decision.
>> right. not during the delay.
>My wording was poor. I meant that (again as I recall) he never
>explained the delay itself. He did explain the veto, although as I
>recall only in private-e-mail-with-permission-to-post.
So, he IS a conspirator, communicating EXCLUSIVELY via
private email, and not only that, but the "permission"
to post?
Is he a criminal?
I don't know much about this dude, David Lawrence, aka tale.
Because hu must be such a conspirative fascist, that there
basically exist no information on him on usenet.
So, this fuehrer has the "right" to veto.
Who the funk he think he is, this loonatic?
Is he TOTALLY drunk with power?
BTW, may I ask pirahna to stuff my chainsaw up his output
hole?
Piranha, is it OK for me to talk about tale,
you "servant of good"?
Who else should I ask for permission?
May be I should make it a policy to talk about tale,
and tale ONLY.
Would that be "acceptable" to the new "power elite",
perpetuating the same old system of delusion and
totalitarianism?
> I haven't
>checked these recollections against the Google cites elsewhere in this
>thread and anyone who wants to correct me should feel free.
>> > So what I would like, as long as this is under discussion, is some sort
>> > of *expectation*, and yes, in writing, that things like that won't
>> > happen.
>> you've got in writing, in this thread, from several of us already
>> that we'll try our damndest not to let it happen, and that we'll
>> communicate about it.
Via private mail, as usual?
Why are you "communicating" behind the scenes on behalf
of the issues of PUBLIC interest and concern?
Are you a group of conspirators and information saboteurs?
Are you being adviced by some "higher authority" as Godfather
of Brainwashing, Russ Allbery, stated recently?
WHO is this "higher authority"?
>Yes, and that's good for now. Please understand that I'm not saying I
>demand you sit down tomorrow and put it in the guidelines.
Screw those "guidelines". First of all, they are NOT guidelines
of ANY kind. They were and are DICTATES.
Are you, newly established, self appointed power elite,
plan to conduct a general usenet "vote" on your "guidelines"?
> What I *am*
>saying is no, Ken Arromdee is *not* the only one who remembers what
>happened to rec.arts.anime and thinks it should not happen again,
>because Jonathan Kamens tried to assert that he is the only one. In
>case that factors into anyone's decisions about how soon, or how, to
>put whatever you put into the guidelines, into them.
>Do understand. I would be more comfortable with a change in the
>guidelines than simply with posts to this thread *mainly* because of
>turnover. tale is not the only person I now understand to be in
>group-advice with whom I've had sharp conflicts, but I actually do
>trust those of you who've posted on the matter in this thread that you
>won't let things like that happen to the extent that you can control
>them.
Sure. When they are in this frenzy for "power" ackquisition,
they'll tell you ANYTHING. They'll even lick your ass need be.
But once they GRAB that power, no matter what kind of tricks
or lies they use, then...
Then the story is usually quite different.
> That doesn't speak for tale, but I'm really not interested in
>trying to force tale to do things.
YOU?
And FORCE?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
How CAN you "force" the fuehrer?
Are you insane?
> I do, however, think a written
>change in the guidelines, whether it was a sunrise clause or something
>less drastic, would help *remind* people down the road that delay is
>bad and unexplained delay is worse, people who may well not have been
>here during the incidents we're talking about and may not have stopped
>to think about *why* it's bad because they missed those incidents.
They simply piss in your face.
That is ALL they do here, no matter what kind of "humble
public servants" they pretend to be.
The sit here and piss in the faces of ALL usenet users.
For YEARS now.
This whole snake pit of news.groups is a place where
the sadists of a kind of Jay Denebeim aka the hit man
aka the BRA, Big Red Ass, enjoy the perverted pleasures
of torturing ANYBODY they chose as a victim.
No matter what the circumstances are.
Because...
Well, because they are the "authorized" power elite.
The "rules", "guidelines" and ALL of it is not applicable
to them.
Yes, the rules are NEVER applicable to the totalitarian
dictators and power hungry "rulers".
Nothing new.
>The Guidelines don't change often enough.
Not guidelines, but DICTATES.
Written by Russ Allbery.
Changed ANY time he PLEASES.
No "votes" of ANY kind.
I don't even recall even an invitation to discuss ANY of it.
In fact, they AVOID EVERY SINGLE issue of significance.
Then pervert it into something else,
and then have fun, playing guilt and fear trip.
These power hungry perverts are PURE grade sadists.
What "guidelines" are you talking about?
DICTATES they are.
PURE grade dictates and NOTHING but dictates.
> Sometimes this is an
>advantage: it means if a change *does* go into them, it's got a long
>run ahead of it.
>> you might also note that contrary to tale,
>> russ and us three newcomers do happen to communicate with people
>> here.
But you are not in power just as yet.
In fact, WHO "voted" on this new "committee"?
Are you passing "power" like in some kind of monarchy?
Some czarist system?
WHO "authorized" you to "inherit" this fascist throne?
WHO?
Where is the results of a democratic "vote" or election?
On WHAT basis you are conducting these conspiracies
behind the scene, exhanging the private email messages,
ALL on behalf of public interest and concern?
How do people know what kind of "deals" are you working
out between yourselves?
>> i definitely plan to not drop that, ever, because while i
>> can see advantages to staying above the fray, i see others by
>> being in steady contact with this group.
ALL but a party propaganda, just like PRE-election campaigns
by politicians.
Well, at least politicians DO get elected via democratic
process. You do not even seem to be interested in such ideas.
Can you provide a SINGLE reference where you even conceived
the idea of being elected for the throne of totalitarianism
on big-8?
>> my diplomatic skills can
>> prolly use the honing. i _like_ this group. it's got intelligent
>> and thoughtful people in it,
You forgot to say: lick, lick.
THIS is the place of INTELLIGENT and THOUGHTFUL people?
Ha ha ha ha ha.
This is a snakepit for the MOST outrageous perverts
and power hungry elite wannabes.
How did YOU, personally, got into this "committee"?
HOW?
WHO "authorized" it?
>> and i rather we work together on solving problems,
Bullshit.
The ONLY problem you seem to be interested in "solving"
is how to keep "DA system" as it is.
ANY change would imply your imaginary "powers"
would have to be put in check.
>> even if that means more work by engaging in
>> conversations like this one (where it is sometimes hard to find a
>> good point to end them without sounding unresponsive).
>To be honest, this post is mainly an attempt to clarify my previous
>one. I'm getting the impression that my posts thus far since returning
>have mainly fueled y'all's image of me as a bomb-throwing radical,
You mean instead of a candidate for DA "committee"?
Is THAT what this post of yours is all about?
Are you here to "explain" yourself and drop a hint that
you know too much?
> and
>it seems worth reminding y'all that there is some semblance of
>rationality behind that, since I can't just move on by doing a
>line-by-line or something, in the absence of any live RFDs to do
>line-by-lines *on*.
>Seems to me that, in the post I'm now following up to, you've said
>pretty much all you need to to satisfy *me* (I don't speak for Ken
>Arromdee): yes, delay is bad; take our promises seriously; we'll look
>at it when we get to the Guidelines.
DICTATES, not guidelines.
Unless those "guidelines" are voted on by the usenet
as a whole, the do not represent the interests of usenet
participants and, therefore, are not "guidelines".
But DICTATES.
Created by the clique of power hungry megalomaniacs.
> OK. That last part I don't
>recall seeing before and is the remaining piece I needed to see. But
>please feel free not to follow up to this post in order to reassure me
>further on this score, only if there are other things in this worth
>continuing to discuss.
>> > Ken Arromdee's sunrise clause would be such an expectation.
>> sunSET. you know, when the sun goes down on a proposal. :-)
>Huh? I thought his idea was that if a proposal sat for four months in
>the posting queue it would be auto-posted. That would be the sun going
>*up* on it, hence my renaming. Did I miss something? Did he switch to
>auto-rejection?
You are talking on two different frequencies.
>> i've
>> just learned the very hard way that i can completely get snowed
>> under again and again and again, and in the end delay something by
>> much longer than i would ever have thought. and all entirely
>> without malice or even procrastination. you of all people should
>> understand how that can happen, i would think?
>touché.
>> [ more kvetching about tale, however justified, zapped.
Just don't get zapped yourself.
You NEVER stop talking about fascism and dictatorship.
That is the WORST thing possible under the sun.
The consequences are of the outmost significance.
>Sigh...
>Jonathan Kamens had said if we knew the reason tale delayed the
>rec.arts.anime decision so long, most of us would probably agree. I
>thought it was reasonable to reply that I had some reason to doubt
>that. I'm sorry if that just struck you as
>> your neverending grumbling over tale.
Yes. And not only tale, but ALL of this group of megalomaniacs.
>It did have a context.
>As long as I haven't been saying enough positive things since coming
>back, by the way, here's a relatively easy one. I thought it
>particularly worth replying when Jonathan Kamens said these things
>precisely because his words *ought to have* so much weight on this
>group. As one of the founders of news.answers and company, and to the
>best of my knowledge indeed the principal founder, he's done more for
>Usenet than I'm ever likely to.
How many news hierarchy groups are "owned" by the "power elite",
publishing THEIR party propaganda and THEIR version of the Universe?
> It perhaps would have been better if I
>had said that at the beginning of my previous post. I'm sorry. You
>may remember when I lost the habit of trying to be a source of sunshine
>and light in this newsgroup, and why - one of the people who helped me
>lose it is currently in residence, in fact. It would be better if I
>could at least be balanced, but my life is pretty grim right now, so
>it's not instinctive to me to do so.
Time to fall on your knees and cry then.
This is one of the MOST pathetic posts I have seen
in a long, long time.
Are you craving for power also?
You wannabe a member of this "advice" "committee"?
>And then there's content. I have come back at a time when news.groups
>has nothing to do but meta-discussion; there is only one active RFD on
>the table (and, I think, no active RESULTs), and not only is it
>intrinsically meta, but it's not even really on the table since we're
>expecting a major rewrite and perhaps an RFD for more than one group in
>that rewrite.
I want to see that major rewrite.
You want to make an ass licking propaganda
out of perfectly valid RFD?
Ha ha ha ha ha.
When is it going to be ready?
> Well, it's easy to praise people when I watch them
>helping people get groups set up, or even when I watch them
>*courteously* and *patiently* (that would be you, at least)
What an ass licker.
You look like a PROFESSIONAL ass likers.
I bet my dead spider's left ball that you ARE trying to get
into this "committee".
> telling
>people they probably won't get groups set up
Huh?
> and what they should do about it.
Huh?
For what?
To make it correspond to reality better?
Or to make it submit to the party line better?
> It's much harder when the issue is meta,
What "meta", theta, beta are you talking about?
> because I really
>have been in the opposition for four years now, and for four years have
>seen little come of that save my own increasing bitterness and
>pessimism over the Big 8's future, and my own reduced reputation.
Your "reputation" is going down the drain REALLY fast
with this post.
> And while...
>> i've already agreed with
>> much of it ad infinitum; and i am pretty tired of seeing you
>> rehash it over and over.
You MUST be needing more.
You are still avoiding MOST of the issues.
>> i am not tale.
Uhu. Tell me about it.
>>russ is not tale.
Uhu. He is ONLY his right hand, the ideological
department of brain control and party propaganda,
fabricating delusions and manipulating guilt and fear,
making people lick asses left and right,
just to fit into this giant system of abuse
you have established here.
>> kate is not tale.
>> todd is not tale.
>> david wright is not tale.
Zo.
Looks like good ole buddies are dumping tale now.
Why?
Just a few days ago, he was the ULTIMATE "authority".
What happened?
Such a change of heart?
After all these years?
And you did not even SEE in ALL these years
what a totalitarian dictator and pervert he is?
Well, then YOU are but the same as him.
THAT is why you are avoiding tale issue.
>> please
>> to treat us as individuals and not tar us with your anti-tale
>> brush,
Why?
WHERE is the results?
WHERE is the difference?
One more time:
On what basis you are still denying creation
of news.admin.moderation, that OUGHT to have
been created with the VERY fist "moderated" group?
What is this big farce all about?
To perpetuate your "DA system" of delusion?
You, perverts, went as far, as to communicate with
the news.admin.moderation proponent behind the scenes.
I GUARANTEE you made a deal.
Lately, he is been interested in talking more
about the "moderated" version of the same group,
which is the MOST perverted version there could
EVER be, because those very "moderators" will
have the power to LITERALLY wipe this issue
of totalitarianism and censorship via tricks
of "moderation" off the table.
What that the plan from the day one of that RFD?
Do you realize what Mr. Cabal submitted to you
as an RFD?
Well, he submitted to you an atom bomb
with a clock attached.
This ain't zome funkay monkay.
Thats the REAL deal you've got on your hands.
You'll see.
>> just because we don't write him off as a result.
Wut?
>> i do
>> strongly disagree with some of the things he's done. i won't do
>> them.
Uhu.
ALL the politicians say the same.
BEFORE they get elected.
What is the difference here?
>> but i'll undoubtedly do others you might also not like.
>> let's handle those when they come up, on their own merits. ]
>all of this is sensible, the fact is, I'm not seeing those cases.
>I haven't seen anything outrageous in news.groups while lurking, off
>and on, this past year.
WHAT?
Are you corrupt to the bone?
Or even marrow is affected now?
> I am actually happy with all of the people
>who've been chosen for group-advice,
CHOSEN?
By WHOM?
What is this power sabotage in progress?
> if I understand correctly how many
>of you there are, and with there being multiple nan moderators, if I
>understand *anything* about that at all.
First of all, it depends on what kind of logic do they
utilize for that "multiple" thingy.
It could be AND logic or OR logic.
The net result is difference between day and night.
In order for the thing to happen,
you need this person AND that person AND another person.
If ANY one person is sufficient, then you have another
case.
Now, depending on the issue, you will get different
net effect, even with the same logic.
If ANY one of them is sufficient to CREATE a group,
then ANY one of them is sufficient to BLOCK a group,
or defeat the proposal.
It ain't as simple, as it looks.
The multiple thing only LOOKS on paper as something
more democratic. It may end up to be even less
democratic than having only one pervert.
At least you have only one set of limitations with
one person. With multiple persons you may have even
more ways to destroy things.
> These are the main changes
>I'm aware of since last year; so far so good. Please do fill me in on
>anything else I missed and ought to be praising.
You seem to have missed the whole joke here.
>Look, I'm not tarring y'all with the same brush. I do know most of you
>as individuals. I *am* saying, as long as there are issues on the
>table, in this case an issue that does make tale look bad (as, say,
>political voting does not - but then I don't have any solutions to
>that, either, so I'm not posting in that subthread) - as long as there
>are issues on the table, the nasty experiences I've had that lead me to
>think particular issues need to be addressed are, in fact, issues that
>happened on tale's solo watch and often are attributable to him.
Yes. In fact, no matter what kind of hissing sounds anybody makes,
that fuehrer can override ANY of it.
Such a perverse and humongous powers he was able to grab.
Such a perverted mindset of TOTAL dictator he became.
> So I
>don't know how to do meta-discussion in news.groups, where Precedent Is
>All, without citing precedents that are going to strike those of you
>who know me as Yet More Anti-Tale Grumbling.
>Um, look. Isn't it a mark of success when all the complaints are about
>the previous administration?
Yes, mark of PERVERSION.
Once the corrupt power elite realizes this whole thing stinks,
they ALWAYS chose someone to dump. Then, they ALWAYS start
dumping on him.
Then...
Well, then they claim "progress".
That is what perversion and corruption is all about.
>I *would*, as it happens, rather have New Constructive Things to
>meta-talk about,
The MOST cowardly thing imaginable.
What "meta-talk" are you talking about here?
This is the CORE issues of usenet, having the MOST profound
impact on not only big-8, but usenet as such.
> if meta is what there's going to be, but dang it, who
>am I to put pressure on y'all?
Nobody.
Except...
> Just keeping me from attacking tale
>should **NOT** have anything to do with how you guys set your
>priorities.
Huh?
PEOPLE set the "priorities", not those, who they elect.
Otherwise, it is the same totalitarian dictate as usual.
>So how's if I just shut up until I can get the survival guide back here
VERY good idea.
Don't recall seeing such a pathetic performance.
>for y'all to take potshots at? It's not a New Constructive Thing, but
>it's what *I* can offer.
Just look at those "*" characters around I.
You know what they mean?
Well, they mean you are brainwashed into LITERAL oblivion.
Why?
Well, because what is the meaning of them?
To ACCENUATE the meaning of something?
The why don't you use the CAPITALIZATION?
Oh, some idiot told you it is not a good
netti-quetti-betti-fetti thingy to do?
The same thing is for " characters?
Better use the underlines, superlines, dashes,
dots, or some other goubledy gook?
Well, that IS the definition of perversion.
As you PERVERT the very meaning of what you are doing
and follow around some Big Red Asses, licking them
all day long, having no intelligence of your own
to simply do what you are interested in doing,
using the DIRECT ways.
This is cowardliness and perversion of the most
profound magnitude, that has become a subliminal
and went into your subconscious.
>Joe Bernstein
JM Hunter
jc_...@hotmail.com (jc) picked a plump bugger and in sanskrit smeared
the following cryptic message:
<snip>
>This is cowardliness and perversion of the most
>profound magnitude, that has become a subliminal
>and went into your subconscious.
Nobody cares.
HTH
JM Hunter
jc
Yes. That IS the very trick.
To make NOBODY "care".
In a certain sense, it worked JUST as advertized.
The more totalitarianism, perversion, deceipt, violence,
control and domination you see in the world, the less you
"care".
You simply became insensitive.
ALL you want is to "survive".
Just to survive.
Driven by fear of survival and guilt.
That is EXACTLY how these systems of parasitic sucking
meant to be.
Eventually, all you want is self promotion.
You want to get on the top of others and express your
suppressed energy in perverted ways. What comes out
is a subtle poison, although on the surface you have
a plastic smile and a label of "do gooder" on your
forehed, just above the swastica.
But...
You care enough to read and follow these posts.
Yes, you are TOTALLY frustrated, just as your
>jc_...@hotmail.com (jc) picked a plump bugger and in sanskrit smeared
>the following cryptic message:
indicates.
Yes, to you, "DA system" is so unshakable and unmoveable,
that you must be an idiot to care.
So, you are going down the drain at a forever accelerating
rate, willing to bring down the whole life with you.
Becase...
Because you DON'T "care".
Your heart is but a pump. It is TOTALLY dead.
You have been brainwashed into a literal oblivion.
The emotion is programmed into that CPU between
your ears to be classifialbe as "evil".
Programmed by the EVILLEST people possible,
even in principle.
So you come here and contribute some poison of
"nobody cares. Face it. You are doomed" type
of thing.
But why did you even bother to read the post?
Not only that, why did you even bother to follow
it up?
>HTH
>
> JM Hunter
Terry Austin
<Little of interest>
You're part of the problem, not part of the solution.
--
Terry Austin <tau...@hyperbooks.com>
http://www.hyperbooks.com/
If you don't use both your left brain and right brain,
you've basically just got half a brain.
-John Rudd
Patrick Ford
> ><snip>
> >
> >>This is cowardliness and perversion of the most
> >>profound magnitude, that has become a subliminal
> >>and went into your subconscious.
> >
In a town I used to live in there was a funny unkempt old man who used to
stand on a corner on late shopping night bellowing some sermon at
passers-by. He had an untrimmed beard, fly-away uncombed hair, ragged
clothes and a wild and mad look in his glaring bloodshot eyes.
Nobody took any notice of him, but he must have annoyed someone enough
to complain because he got shifted further and further out of the shopping area
until he was on a dark and deserted windy corner where there never were
any pedestrians.
Still he yelled his strange campaign that nobody wanted to hear into the empty
night and at passing cars. You could hear his harsh and raucous racket
from hundreds of metres away, but it was impossible to distinguish any
words or know what he was raving about, if anyone had been peculiar enough
to want to know.
I guess he may have been pushing some religious or political barrow, but
even when he was in the shopping area he appeared to have a signal to noise
ratio quite a bit worse than a tied-up dog would have.
Were you that funny old man? Have you still got that same old coat?
--
--
My domain contains .co, not .com as appears in the header.
Patrick Ford Auckland, Aotearoa (New Zealand)
nucleus
<j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>> librarian wrote:
>>> What happened to this article?
>
>Neil Nelson wrote:
>> Considering the large number of posts being made by librarian to
>> these multiposted groups, it can easly be seen that the primary
>> take-over is by librarian.
>
>Indeed, librarian not only floods these groups,
Lie.
> his/her messages usually
>have Supersedes headers
Lie.
> so that they replace (and cancel) all other
>messages.
Lie.
> He/she is a censor, terrorist, and criminal.
[Said the blood boiling fascist,
perverting and fabricating it
to the level well beyond obscene]
>And I propose an active UDP against UkrNet for being open to his use.
The most perverted form of virtual terrorism,
willing to destroy the whole world need be,
just to destroy the views, exposing you,
the most corrupt censors, totalitarian and fascist
oppressors.
That is how usenet mafia operates.
Zig heil.
nucleus
<j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>> librarian wrote:
>>> What happened to this article?
>
>Neil Nelson wrote:
>> Considering the large number of posts
Reposts, pervert.
What are you trying to fabricate here,
you lunatics and delusional megalomaniacs?
>> being made by librarian to
>> these multiposted groups, it can easly be seen that the primary
>> take-over is by librarian.
Hahahahahahaha.
Yes, perversion knows no limits indeed.
>Indeed, librarian not only floods these groups,
Lie.
> his/her messages usually
>have Supersedes headers
Lie.
> so that they replace (and cancel) all other
>messages.
Lie.
> He/she is a censor, terrorist, and criminal.
[Said one of the most blood boiling
representatives of usenet mafia,
destroying usenet for years now,
converting it into a totalitarian
and fascist system]
>And I propose an active UDP against UkrNet for being open to his use.
You are a blood boiling fascist,
hiding behind the mask of public servant,
while serving the interests of the clique
of information terrorists and totalitarian dicators,
imposing your corruptest of all corrupt versions
of blatant fascism,
oppressing and dominating ALL.
Your face is a face of disgrace
and not only to usenet,
but to a mankind as such.
You are a PATHOLOGICAL case of a liar
and fabricator of totalitarian deceit.
Your ONLY interests on usenet is advancement
of totalitarianism and fascism,
oppression, domination, violence
and terrorism,
and on a GLOBAL scale.
That is all there is to it.
nucleus
>On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:47:56 GMT, nuc...@invalid.you.are (nucleus)
>wrote:
>and being a troll myself
>
>but seriously, how do those fuckin jip floods help anyone?
>
>Basically, someome pissed you off, now you're making usenet unreadle
>for everyone right?
>
>Tell me you're 12
Get lost, dummy.
>Please-X-Post: "Responsibly" - Chris Caputo, Altopia Corp.
Arthur L. Rubin
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:06:41 GMT, nuc...@invalid.you.are
> (nucleus)wrote:
>
> >Get lost, dummy.
>
> Great comeback, what do you do for an encore (besides sporge)?
He hasn't sporged lately, just spammed. The "orge" component of
"sporge" is derived from "forge", as in forged headers. He's
never claimed an identity previously claimed by anyone else, as
far as I know.
--
Arthur L. Rubin 216-...@mcimail.com
Arthur L. Rubin
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Let's dump near the upper cyphertexts, but don't sell the unique pointers.
nucleus
<j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>> librarian wrote:
>>> What happened to this article?
>
>Neil Nelson wrote:
>> Considering the large number of posts
Reposts, pervert.
What are you trying to fabricate here,
you lunatics and delusional megalomaniacs?
>> being made by librarian to
>> these multiposted groups, it can easly be seen that the primary
>> take-over is by librarian.
Hahahahahahaha.
Yes, perversion knows no limits indeed.
>Indeed, librarian not only floods these groups,
Lie.
> his/her messages usually
>have Supersedes headers
Lie.
> so that they replace (and cancel) all other
>messages.
Lie.
> He/she is a censor, terrorist, and criminal.
[Said one of the most blood boiling
representatives of usenet mafia,
destroying usenet for years now,
converting it into a totalitarian
and fascist system]
>And I propose an active UDP against UkrNet for being open to his use.
You are a blood boiling fascist,
hiding behind the mask of public servant,
while serving the interests of the clique
of information terrorists and totalitarian dicators,
imposing your corruptest of all corrupt versions
of blatant fascism,
oppressing and dominating ALL.
Your face is a face of disgrace
and not only to usenet,
but to a mankind as such.
You are a PATHOLOGICAL case of a liar
and fabricator of totalitarian deceit.
Your ONLY interests on usenet is advancement
of totalitarianism and fascism,
oppression, domination, violence
and terrorism,
and on a GLOBAL scale.
That is all there is to it.
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Will you examine the silly dumb lolitas before Tero Paananen does?
nucleus
<j...@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
>> librarian wrote:
>>> What happened to this article?
>
>Neil Nelson wrote:
>> these multiposted groups, it can easly be seen that the primary
>> take-over is by librarian.
>
Lie.
> his/her messages usually
>have Supersedes headers
Lie.
> so that they replace (and cancel) all other
>messages.
Lie.
> He/she is a censor, terrorist, and criminal.
[Said the blood boiling fascist,
perverting and fabricating it
to the level well beyond obscene]
>And I propose an active UDP against UkrNet for being open to his use.
The most perverted form of virtual terrorism,
willing to destroy the whole world need be,
just to destroy the views, exposing you,
the most corrupt censors, totalitarian and fascist
oppressors.
That is how usenet mafia operates.
Zig heil.
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Occasionally, chatrooms flow outside cold houses, unless they're sticky.
nucleus
>On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:47:56 GMT, nuc...@invalid.you.are (nucleus)
>wrote:
>
>and being a troll myself
>
>but seriously, how do those fuckin jip floods help anyone?
>
>Basically, someome pissed you off, now you're making usenet unreadle
>for everyone right?
>
>Tell me you're 12
Get lost, dummy.
>Please-X-Post: "Responsibly" - Chris Caputo, Altopia Corp.
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I'd rather mangle partly than connect with Dennis McClain-Furmanski's dumb operator.
Jusanecor
nucleus
From: Chris Lewis <cle...@nortelnetworks.com>
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy
Subject: Re: [news.admin.moderation] Unmoderated Discussion Group
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:08:29 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: VeriMod (<URL:http://www.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/verimod/>)
In article <9ingss$1a8$1...@bcarh8ab.ca.nortel.com>, Chris Lewis
<cle...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
>According to IRS Agent <ta...@yourwallet.empty.gov>:
>> Chris Lewis <cle...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in message
<9hpt8o$q1g$1@bcarh
>> 8a
>> b.ca.nortel.com>:
>
>> > news.admin.moderation is actually a _good_ idea.
>
>> Does this mean you would consider co-sponsoring the group?
>
>Absolutely.
>
>> Seriously.
>
>Seriously.
>
>Not with _that_ charter tho - I'd want something more even-handed and
>without the rhetoric. Ie: something that few immediately assume is
>a troll.
Because that is EXACTLY how the perverts and virtual terrorists
of your kind operate.
First, you force to change the "charter".
Then, once that "charter" is changed,
you do all you can to destroy the group,
no matter what kind of trick you choose.
Then you fabricate some lie to "justify".
Things like that.
This group OUGHT to have been created with creation
of the very first "moderated" group.
This entire farse of "discussion" and all sorts of
associated perversion, trying to submit to
SELF-APPOINTED usenet totalitarian clique,
is merely an insult to the very principle
of public service.
Plus it is a perversion and manipulation.
Plus it is support and admittal of validity
of usenet totalitarianism as such.
No way, hosey.
That "charter" accurately reflects the issues.
But, the cunning perverts and virtual terrorists
of your kind always like to make it look like
usenet and the entire "process" is something
democratic.
It is NOT.
Never was.
Not at least since the time these totalitarian
perverts of a kind of Russ Allbery, David Lawrence,
aka tale, have taken control of usenet.
>If you want, you and I can come up with a new version by email,
Uhu.
That is about the first thing that happens.
Communications behind the scenes on behalf of
PUBLIC interest.
Trying to manipulate the other person and give
him some "offer" that can't be refused?
Now, you, personally, are who?
Well, you are but a virtual terrorist and a criminal,
POSING as a public servant, although you could give
a dead flying chicken about the very notion of
public service, being the destructive megalomaniac you are,
gorging on destruction of tens of thousans of articles
per day in this never ending perverted sadistic pleasure
of sadistic anihilation.
You are a sadist. In PURE sense.
The ONLY pleasure you know is a pleasure of anihilation.
That makes you a pervert.
> and then
>publish the result.
First of all, if you are discussing the issues of PUBLIC
interest, then what kind of behind the scene communications
do you need to conduct on behalf of public interests?
> Since a CFV hasn't been called (it hasn't, has it?)
>then I don't think a charter redraft will force a 6 month retry delay.
I do not recognize ANY and ALL of your totalitarian dictates
and perverted fascist "rules and regulations".
They are not created to FACILITATE discussions on usenet.
They are created to OPPRESS, DOMINATE and DICTATE.
The current state of usenet is about as totalitarian
and perverted, as it gets.
NONE of these dictates are the result of a democratic process.
NONE of these perversions have been authorized by usenet
participants at large.
NONE of these dictators were elected.
NONE of this totalitarianism is valid in ANY shape of form.
You have created the fascit system of black and white
and you think YOU are the pure blooded Aryan race of "rulers"
and everyone else is to submit to your peverted totalitarian
rule.
But...
>Given how busy I am right now, I'm probably not much help in drafting
>from scratch, so I'd prefer it if you take the first shot at the text.
>Obviously, you have a more detailed view on what you'd like the group
>to be,
Get lost in the giant sucking machine.
That group is not a matter of anyone individual desires
or interpretations.
It is of OBVIOUS and PROVEN need.
To ANY and ALL usenet users.
One more time:
Create that group IMMEDIATELY, perverts.
This farse is but a farse of self-justification
and of the totalitarianist dictatorship.
> and me drafting it from scratch wouldn't make any sense anyways.
>
>If nothing else, my co-sponsorship may prevent some people dismissing
>the proposal out-of-hand.
What?
Who ARE you?
What is your "authority"?
Mr. virtual terrorists, serving this very system
of totalitarian dictatorship and usenet fascism?
One of the biggest usenet mafiozis?
Well, well, well.
Impressive indeed.
But...
Your hands are in blood.
That kinda tarnishes your otherwise impeccable "reputation".
> It's definately worth a try.
>Sound okay?
Hahahahahhaha.
>--
>Chris Lewis,
>For more information on spam, see http://spam.abuse.net/spam
>It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
nucleus
From: Sherilyn <sher...@suespammers.org>
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy
Subject: [MOD] A bold move (was Viability of n.a.n-a.p)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:10:01 +0000 (UTC)
In article <slrn9l1cta....@pegasus.sherilyn.org.uk>,
3...@sherilyn.org.uk wrote:
>In Message-ID <9icms4$kk$1...@pizzaboy.databasix.com>,
>rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski <rfg...@databasix.com> wrote:
>>"Bruce Baugh" <bruce...@sff.net> wrote in message
>>news:080720012340421923%bruce...@sff.net...
>>> It looks to me like the answer to the question "Is it possible to
>>> discuss issues in enough depth and breadth to help admins formulate
>>> policy for themselves and recommendations for others in n.a.n-a.p?" is
>>> pretty clearly "No." Or at least "Not without extensive hand
>>> moderation," and the arguments against the practicality and
>>> desirability of that (fairness and bias, harassment of moderators) seem
>>> pretty strong to me.
>>
>>
>> I tend to agree. I'm more concerned with whether anyone out there is
>>willing to do this hand moderation than ending up with a tyrant moderator.
>
>I'm perfectly willing to act as a tyrant moderator or comoderator
>for this group,
Yes, I GUARANTEE you that much.
> because
There is no "because"
beyond your TOTAL corruptness,
utter intolerance,
utter violence,
utter megalomania.
>this group is important as a forum for
>discussion that people will be prepared to subscribe to and
>willing to contribute to.
PURE horseshit.
This group is about the system of totalitarianism
as imposed by the usenet mafia,
the handful of news admins wordwide
of the MOST perverted kind,
interested in usenet becoming a system
of promotion of fascist and totalitarian ideology
and UTTER denial of freedom of any kind
and democracy as such.
> I liked the suggestion that people could bypass
>handmoderation using a [NOHAND] tag, because it would keep the tyrant on
>his toes.
You can not keep the tyrant on his toes.
> Obviously I'd be more prepared to see a number of people whose
>opinions are more widely respected than mine volunteer as moderators,
Not "moderators" but totalitarian censors,
interested in total destruction of ideas
of freedom of speech and democracy as such.
> but
>if I expect them to volunteer, it would be wrong
Huh?
>to hold back my own
>self-nomination.
Yes, self-nomination,
self-promotion,
self-interests.
> Perhaps I might shame someone into action, perhaps not.
Shame is but a byproduct of guilt,
you guilt and fear peddling
blood boiling totalitarian pervert,
brainwashed into LITERAL oblivion.
>Whatever, I'm prepared to do the job.
What "job"?
Get lost in giant sucking machine.
There are no "jobs" on usenet.
Alt hierarchy is a living proof.
It works PERFECTLY well
without ANY of you,
totalitarian dictators,
censors and assorted megalomaniacs,
doing ANY "job".
>--
>Sherilyn
>The suespammers.org mail server is located in California; do not
>send me unsolicited bulk e-mail or unsolicited commercial e-mail.
nucleus
From: Tim Skirvin <tski...@killfile.org>
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy
Subject: Re: [news.admin.moderation] Unmoderated Discussion Group
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:02:15 +0000 (UTC)
In article <tskirvin....@ks.uiuc.edu>, tski...@killfile.org wrote:
>IRS Agent <ta...@yourwallet.empty.gov> writes:
>
>>> news.admin.moderation is actually a _good_ idea.
>>Does this mean you would consider co-sponsoring the group?
> I would.
You already did once.
Not only co-sponsoring, but SPONSORING
the most perverted version conceivable,
the news.admin.moderation
as a "moderated" group,
thus TOTALLY destroying every possibility
of uncensored discussions.
That is a masterpiece of totalitarian perversion
in the entire history of usenet.
> - Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
>--
><URL:http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/> Skirv's Homepage <FISH><
><URL:http://www.killfile.org/dungeon/> The Killfile Dungeon <*>
nucleus
From: Chris Lewis <cle...@nortelnetworks.com>
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy
Subject: Re: [news.admin.moderation] Unmoderated Discussion Group
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:07:22 +0000 (UTC)
In article <9io2eu$iv5$1...@zcarh46f.ca.nortel.com>, Chris Lewis
<cle...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
>According to David Ritz <dr...@suespammers.org>:
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:08:29 +0000 (UTC),
>> in message <9ingss$1a8$1...@bcarh8ab.ca.nortel.com>,
>> Chris Lewis <cle...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> CL> Sound okay?
>
>> It sounds great, assuming the rhetoric can be tamed.
>
>Bloxy's not going to like that ;-)
>
>He should realize that since it's going to be unmoderated
>(unless I miss my guess ;-), it can't be used to restrict
>people's postings. A "tamed" charter just makes it clear that
>it's a serious proposal,
First of all, you know all too well,
that the news.admin.moderation is simply inevitable.
So, about the only chance you have
is to pervert the "charter"
and take out the material that represents
how it all WEALLY woiks here.
About the only thing you can do,
is to at least attempt to prevent
that "charter" from becoming a standard
reference material on the very roots
of "moderation" as such.
But...
You see, no matter how cunning you are
and what kind of tricks you are going to use,
it may not quite woik out as expected.
You never know,
you never know.
> not just another *.hipcrime.* group,
What does hipcrime has to do with the existing
proposal?
Are you a PATHOLOGICAL case of a pervert and manipulator?
>and may improve the likelyhood of productive discussion.
Huh?
What does that "charter" has to do with "productivity"
of discussions?
Which discussion?
Once the group is created?
Or you are going to stard another round
of sadistic frenzy here?
You see, the "discussions" are over.
The proponent chickened out,
most likely as a result of communications
behind the scenes.
I, personally, am not even interested in
ANY of these "discussions"
and your entire system of totalitarian
perversion here.
Not interested in recognizing the clique
of totalitarian dictators and assorted censors
as ANYTHING of validity on usenet.
You, and ALL of these sadists
are but a bunch of self-appointed perverts
and totalitarian dictators,
interested in promotion of your own agenda,
and that agenda is destruction.
Destruction of democracy.
Destruction of freedom.
Destruction of the MOST fundamental principles
of the modern societies.
THAT is where I am at.
One more time:
Create news.admin.moderation
IMMEDIATELY.
Are you as dumb, as a piece of wood?
>> This may be history in the making.
>Don't make more of it than it is. I've always been open to
>working with anyone who's serious about working with me.
Working with virtual terrorists?
Hahahahahaha.
Are you on drugs?
> And
>at least the last couple exchanges have been civil ;-)
>And I have no reason to believe that IRS is anything other than
>serious here.
Sure.
What else?
You forgot: lick, lick part.
>I have no intention of micro-editing a new charter. I agree with
>what I think IRS's intent for the group is
That group has NOTHING to do with IRS
or ANY other individual.
It has to do with VERY substantial issues,
some of the MOST critical issues on usenet,
having WORDWIDE appeal
and PROVEN record of interest.
There are nearly millions of references on this subject,
you megalomaniacal perverts,
sitting here, making the hissing sounds,
trying to submit everyone to your perverte dictates
and recognize you as some kind of usenet "authority".
You are not authority on ANYTHING
beyond virtual terrorism, totalitarianism
and fascist ideology of black and white.
> - and I have a long
>term interest in the subject - I was member of moderators-advice
>a long time ago.
Well...
That is called VESTED interest.
Ever heard?
> [That got disbanded because, aside from the s.r.i
>mess, moderators weren't making use of it.]
>As long as the charter is reasonably neutral, light in the
>rhetoric, and clearly identifies what IRS thinks the group is
>for,
Huh?
If that group is for IRS, why don't you create
news.admin.moderation.irs?
What are you perverting and fabricating here?
> I won't quibble with the detail, and I have no problem with
>co-sponsoring it.
Hahahahahahahaha.
One more time:
Create news.admin.moderation
IMMEDIATELY,
you totalitarian dictators
and virtual terrorists,
who managed to pervert the usenet to the point of obscene,
making it LITERALLY impossible to create a new group
on big-8, unless it is "authorized"
by you, totalitarian dictators.
That fascist censor aka the godfather of brainwashing,
the head of department of disinformation and propaganda,
Russ Allbery, and the perverts of his kind,
did ALL their best
to make sure they are the ONLY
real "power" here,
able to do ANYTHING as far, as group creation
or status is concerned.
One more time: These totalitarian perverts
tried to create a Usenet 2, a system of global
totalitarian dictate, censored on every single group.
That thing did not fly.
Zo...
Being the power hungry megalomaniacs and perverts they are,
they used a different strategy,
a takeover of usenet in place
and converted the most propagated set of hierarchies,
big-sucking-8, into a system of totalitarian dictatorship.
They created their fabrications,
called "guidelines", "rules" and "regulations"
and present them as some kind of usenet law.
In those perverted dictates,
they created the most cunning system
of sponsorship of totalitarianism
and conversion of big-sucking-8
into their "property".
They took over some of the most critical groups
in news hierarcy and allow only posts that
correspond to their own dictates.
Eventually, the usenet as a whole is affected
to the MOST profond magnitude.
nucleus
<ta...@yourwallet.empty.gov> wrote:
>nucleus <nuc...@invalid.you.are> wrote in message
<9inn7t$h1o$3...@news.ukr.net>:
>
>> First, you force to change the "charter".
>
>charters for moderated groups are essentially
>meaningless (e.g. news.software.nntp). They
>merely stand for the intention of the group
>when it is initially formed.
>
>> Then, once that "charter" is changed,
>> you do all you can to destroy the group,
>> no matter what kind of trick you choose.
>
>of someone trying to destroy a group.
The "charter" you have right now,
just as I told you,
is something that will burn not only
your own hands,
but the hands of any of those totalitarian dictators.
That charter is about the "worst" thing
that ever happened as far, as news.admin.modertion
is concerned.
Their PRIMARY concern with the "charter"
is to prevent that charter
from becoming a permanent part of the archives
and a reference on the very issues of "moderation"
as such.
IRS, are you as naive, as you look?
>> This group OUGHT to have been created with creation
>> of the very first "moderated" group.
>I do not disagree on this point.
That what is this entire farse here?
Why do these totalitarian dictators
and virtual terrorists
hold the freedom of speech hostage
and not create this group?
What is itshehebe piranha is hoping for?
Use your powers of sucking, perverts.
This is your chance.
There will be no better one.
You want to show how good of public servants
you are?
No problem, unos grandes.
Issue the control message
for all the "properly configured" news servers,
those programmed machines for automated
censorship and sponsorship of your totalitarian perversions,
you virtual terrorists.
>> This entire farse of "discussion" and all sorts of
>> associated perversion, trying to submit to
>> SELF-APPOINTED usenet totalitarian clique,
>> is merely an insult to the very principle
>> of public service.
>Actually, discussion is usually used as a method
>to persuade people. Some arguments are persuasive
>and others are not.
Uhu.
Tell me about it.
What is there to "persuade" about,
when it is OBVIOUS on its face value?
What is not clear about news.admin.moderation?
You see, that thing is as clear, as a bell.
This very farse here
is but a living proof of the operation
of this totalitarian clique.
>> Plus it is a perversion and manipulation.
>Sometimes it is.
Not only MOSTLY,
but customary and ordinarily.
It is not "sometimes".
Gimme a reference
when it is anything BUT perversion,
manipulation, deceit and totalitarian dictatorship
of the most power hungry perverts
and corrupt to the bone and marrow.
>> That "charter" accurately reflects the issues.
>That charter accurately reflects some of the
>issues. I view it more as a FAQ.
Fine.
I wish to see the issues it reflects
in a dedicated post.
Then I wish to see what other issues
are there.
Then we talk more.
Unless it is done,
your balls are worth but a penny each,
assuming you have any on the first place.
>> But, the cunning perverts and virtual terrorists
>> of your kind always like to make it look like
>> usenet and the entire "process" is something
>> democratic.
>> It is NOT.
>> Never was.
>Absolutely right! Usenet is an anarchy; democracy
>has nothing to do with usenet.
What are you fabricating here?
If it is Anarchy,
then what is this big farse on news.admin.moderation
on the first place?
How come I, as an Anarchist, can not create that
group to discuss the totalitarianism and fascism,
censorship, perversions and abuse?
What CAN I do as an Anarchist?
Well, well, well.
Better thing twice
or better trice,
or better thing as good,
as it gets.
One more time:
Usenet, at least as far, as big-sucking-8,
the most propagated set of hierarchies there is,
is concerned
is NOT an Anarchy.
It is totalitarianism
and in the PURE sense of the word.
Nothing to even argue about.
>> Not at least since the time these totalitarian
>> perverts of a kind of Russ Allbery, David Lawrence,
>> aka tale, have taken control of usenet.
>Some people take the view that "newsgroup...@isc.org"
>is not an email address and is instead is software
>default which is usable by anybody. Other people
>disagree with this viewpoint.
Not that easy, not that easy.
If these totalitarian perverts
can fabricate the accusations
of "forgery" of that address,
then...
When no control message will be accepted
by ANY so called properly configured server,
unless it is originated at isc.org,
then...
Unless the checkgroup or newgroup message
is PGP SIGNED, mind you,
by one of these very totalitarian dictators,
then...
What is left?
>> >If you want, you and I can come up with a new version by email,
>> Uhu.
>> That is about the first thing that happens.
>> Communications behind the scenes on behalf of
>> PUBLIC interest.
>> Trying to manipulate the other person and give
>> him some "offer" that can't be refused?
>It can be refused. Choice is a up to each
>and every individual.
Then what happened to YOU?
Well, what happened is a fabrication,
stating that "Bloxy's JEOPARDIZED that group".
Huh?
And then?
And then you chickened out,
at least the way you look.
Then you ACCEPTED these very totalitarian
dictators as some kind of AUTHORIZED party here.
One more time:
I wish to see their certificate of authorization.
I wish to see the result of a democratic vote
by usenet participants as a whole,
giving them ANY authority WHATSOEVER.
I wish to see the court order
or ANY other lawful authority
on the ineternational scale,
giving them such authority.
Mind you, MOST of these totalitarian dictators
are who?
Well, Americans.
Interesting, ain't it?
How many other nations of the planet Earth
are represented in this usenet "power elite"?
Do you have the United Nations certification
as to validity of this clique?
What DO you have?
One more time:
This is a totalitarian clique
of SELF-APPOINTED totalitarian dictators,
virtual terrorists, censors
and most perverted megalomaniacs,
holding the HIGHEST values of mankind
hostage.
Get it through your head.
What is so difficult to comprehend?
>> Now, you, personally, are who?
>> Well, you are but a virtual terrorist and a criminal,
>> POSING as a public servant, although you could give
>> a dead flying chicken about the very notion of
>> public service, being the destructive megalomaniac you are,
>> gorging on destruction of tens of thousans of articles
>> per day in this never ending perverted sadistic pleasure
>> of sadistic anihilation.
>His volume of forged cancels (see RFC definition for the
>"Sender" header) has decreased markedly over the years.
By now, it is so obvious who these people are,
it is not surprising at all.
They are merely capitalizing on this piece
of virtual real estate and one of the most
heated issues of spam.
Their interest are QUITE commercial,
just as that very spam is.
You have barely seen a tip of the iceberg
it seems.
>> You are a sadist. In PURE sense.
>> The ONLY pleasure you know is a pleasure of anihilation.
>> That makes you a pervert.
>> > and then
>> >publish the result.
>> First of all, if you are discussing the issues of PUBLIC
>> interest, then what kind of behind the scene communications
>> do you need to conduct on behalf of public interests?
>For one, when trying to fashion a document which is
>mutually agreable to a limited number of individuals,
One more time:
news.admin.moderation is not for use by a limited
number of individuals.
What kind of 'agreement' do you need to make
in order to create UNCENSORED group?
What are you fabricating here?
Some kind of conspiracy of megalomaniacs?
Some Aryan race of rulers,
the ONLY "authorized" parties in this issue?
I give a flying dead chicken about
ANY of these "agreements".
Zero, zip, zilch.
In fact, I am a CEO of usenet
and I fired all these perverts.
As far, as I am concerned,
EVERYONE is welcome
to piss in their faces of disgrace
and cancel ANY and ALL articles
on news hierarchy groups.
PLENTY of justification can be provided.
How do you like THAT for "authorization"?
I have received a TREMENDOUS amount of support
behind the scenes.
I am FULLY authorized to represent the interests
of freedom of speech, democracy
and Basic Human Rights.
Furhtermore, I consider Basic Human Rights
about the MOST fundamental set of principles
to apply to usenet.
Zo...
Get the drift?
>it makes sense for the limited number of individuals
>to craft it themselves.
Sure, but for the group of a kind of
news.admin.moderation.irs,
or news.admin.moderation.chris.lewis,
or news.admin.moderation.totalitarianists,
or news.admin.moderation.perverts,
or news.admin.moderation.fascists,
or news.admin.moderation.megalomaniacs,
or...
But...
Not news.admin.moderation.
That group is for GLOBAL audience.
PROVEN record of interest,
running in millions of references.
That is ALL there is to it.
One more time:
Create news.admin.moderation
IMMEDIATELY,
you totalitarian perverts
and power hungry megalomaniacs,
who took over usenet
and hold it hostage.
> If this was being done by a
>large group of individuals, a yahoo group could easily
>be formed to provide space for group collaboration.
Is someone forging the IRS's articles?
I do not recognize this language.
Looks like some totalitarian asslicker
or a power hungry wannabe.
We'll skip that argument of redirection
to the domains of obscene.
>> > Since a CFV hasn't been called (it hasn't, has it?)
>> >then I don't think a charter redraft will force a 6 month retry delay.
>The RFD just hit 60 days, so the full 21 day discussion
>period is now reinvoked.
I cancel ANY and ALL discussions.
One more time:
Create news.admin.moderation
IMMEDIATELY,
you usenet mafia, totalitarian dictators
and power hungry megalomaniacs,
using usenet, a PURE domain of public interest
for the purpose of self-promotion
and advancement of the ideas of intolerance,
censorship and totalitarian dictatorship
and fascism.
What is this farse here?
>> I do not recognize ANY and ALL of your totalitarian dictates
>> and perverted fascist "rules and regulations".
>This is usenet. Nobody is forced to recognize any rules
>and regulations because there are none.
Huh?
Then what are you doing here?
>> They are not created to FACILITATE discussions on usenet.
>> They are created to OPPRESS, DOMINATE and DICTATE.
>>
>> The current state of usenet is about as totalitarian
>> and perverted, as it gets.
>>
>> NONE of these dictates are the result of a democratic process.
>> NONE of these perversions have been authorized by usenet
>> participants at large.
>>
>> NONE of these dictators were elected.
>Nope. They stole power which is the way history
>reads abouts those who are cunning enough to be
>succesful at this type of thing.
It is simply mind boggling to see the degree
of destruction, perversion and deceit here.
>With the proper
>amount of cunning and deceipt, you too could be
>David C (no dot) Lawrence.
Huh?
Is THAT what they told you in those communications
behind the scenes?
>> NONE of this totalitarianism is valid in ANY shape of form.
>True, but neither is it invalid.
Skip that.
Not even funny.
Not interested in binary delusions.
>> You have created the fascit system of black and white
>> and you think YOU are the pure blooded Aryan race of "rulers"
>> and everyone else is to submit to your peverted totalitarian
>> rule.
>Otto J. Makela is not from the Aryan race; he is of finno-ugric
>heritage.
What does Otto Makela have to do with this?
Is HE the one, holding the usenet hostage?
Is HE the one, who created this giant system of totalitarianism
and fascism?
What IS the argument here?
>> But...
>>
>> >Given how busy I am right now, I'm probably not much help in drafting
>> >from scratch, so I'd prefer it if you take the first shot at the text.
>> >Obviously, you have a more detailed view on what you'd like the group
>> >to be,
>>
>> Get lost in the giant sucking machine.
>>
>> That group is not a matter of anyone individual desires
>> or interpretations.
>>
>> It is of OBVIOUS and PROVEN need.
>>
>> To ANY and ALL usenet users.
>>
>> One more time:
>>
>> Create that group IMMEDIATELY, perverts.
>Demands rarely work.
It depends on quite a few things.
Particularly on the very definition of "works".
It woiks quite nicely,
thank ya fer yer royal interest.
> People must be convinced
>and then the groundswell of public opinion ends
>up affecting changes in the anarchical usenet.
What are you talking about here?
I am talking about news.admin.moderation.
What kind of people do you have as a reference?
You mean these sadists here on news.groups
or these VERY few most perverted news admins
on news.admin.net-abuse.policy,
sitting here, discussing their own abuse
of usenet, about the BIGGEST abuse there is?
What "groundswell of public opinion" are you
talking about?
Can you produce ANYTHING even remotely looking
like it?
>Have you written to that blood boiling fanatical
>fascist totalitarian pervert, David C (no dot)
>Lawrence, asking him to change his dictatorial ways?
I have written few things that landed
on his totalitarian desk.
I even have the reasons to believe
that pervert was on news.grups
durind sci.astro.seti group scandal
as a result of my stink.
And I have seen his perverted mind indeed.
That man is a conman,
unlike any other I have EVER seen
on usenet.
Not only that, but I have reasons to believe
that he is not the FINAL "authority" here.
Is is said to be the "man numer sucking two"
on usenet.
The number one thing is...
Well, SAM (Surface to Air Missle).
How do you like THAT as a hint?
One more time:
David Lawrence is associated with what
organization as far, as usenet is concerened?
Well, the Internet Software Consortium,
ISC, www.isc.org.
WHO is one of their sponsors?
Well, Defense Information Systems Agency,
DISA.
Well, how many mouseclicks does it take
to get from totalitarian clique of usenet
to Global Command and Control Center?
Guess.
I say, it takes 3 mouse clisks.
That is ALL there is to it.
I claim:
Usenet "belongs" to United States
military and intelligence operations.
The operations by Cabal, SPUTUM
and virtual terrorism of UDP
is what?
Well, the excersizes in the electronic
warfare and accumulation of data
on techniques, tactics and strategy
of virtual anihilation.
The classic piece of evidence on their
capability is this post, anihilated
in mid air.
Message-ID: <9g71mr$17v3$2...@news.ukr.net>
From: ma...@you.bet (maxer)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.censorship
Subject: Re: Usenet needs censors: destroyed by information terrorists
12
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 06:37:19 GMT
>Quote begin:
>From: ste...@sp27.dseg.ti.com (Harold Stevens US.972.952.3293)
>Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,
>news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship
>Subject: Re: Usenet needs censors: destroyed by information terrorists
>Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 00:19:26 GMT
>Organization: Raytheon Company
>
>In <9c434674b720ffe4...@anon.xg.nu>, Public:
>
>>The ANON.XG.NU http://anon.xg.nu/ anonymous server is under
>>attack by the totalitarian clique of information terrorists,
>>claiming to be the public servants, protecting usenet from
>
>[Snip...like, useless sig...]
>
>Wow, the Lumber Cartel is really getting GOOD. Toasted that spew in
>mid-sentence. :)
>
>End of quote.
nucleus
<post_repl...@this.address.is.invalid> wrote:
>"Deil Bland" wrote ...
>> Mike Horansky wrote:
>> > dowap writes:
>> >> Shaffer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > OK, you asked for more flooding.
>> >> *YAWN*, you would think this child that is flooding would even get
>> >> bored with it. I guess if you are using newsagent you are easily amused
>> >> to begin with.
>> >>
>> >> Someone wake me up when little baby hipcrime stops throwing his temper
>> >> tantrum.
>> >>
>> >> *YAWN*
>> >>
>> >> Time for a nap.
>> >
>> >Pardon my naivete, but are there any implications of someone just
>> >unposting the spew articles? Is it uncool to do this in NANA*, or will
>> >it just egg the spewer into spewing more spew?
>>
>> Articles canceled in NANAE are automatically re-posted by Guido the
>Resurector.
>> We don't need HipDrool's floods reposted!
>
>Besides it just proves the point that news servers need to be better
>secured against this type of attack. Think of it this way, the final
>solution is a news server that reliably reports the posters identity
>in the header.
Says who?
The Cabal/SPUTUM virtual terrorist?
I like your header,
especially this part:
>Organization: S.P.U.T.U.M. Unit LXIX
>I don't care for this eventuality, but that's where it's going.
>All hc is going to do is remove anonymity from Usenet and that benefits
>no one.
What are you fabricating here,
Mr. virtual terrorist?
You know how much your opinion is worth?
Guess.
>--LXIX--
nucleus
hipclone} <and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Lewis <cle...@nortelnetworks.com> writes:
>
> >> But you can't afford to cache the entries for very long, if you
> >> want to be able to react quickly to abuse.
>
> Chris> Since the data entry is manual, it's not going to make a heck
> Chris> of a lot of difference either way.
>
>It doesn't have to be, especially for dealing with open servers and
>proxies.
>
>Design concept:
Of what?
Reinforcement of totalitarian dictatorship
and virtual terrorism?
Sure, Andrew Gierth, the virtual terrorist
extraordinaire, is quite an expert on this subject.
> on detection of any of a number of forms of abuse,
[As defined by Andrew Gierth,
serving the interests of totalitarian dictators,
suffocating usent for years]
>probe the apparent origin (path or n-p-h or both) via NNTP and/or
>SOCKS, and post an article containing a cryptographic authentication
>code. When that article arrives at your server, validate the code,
>then determine whether to block on path or posting-host (if the n-p-h
>points to the tester, or if there's no usable n-p-h or X-Trace, then
>block on Path, otherwise on posting-host). Voila.
Uhu.
But...
> Chris> Besides, with a little inventiveness, you can treat a listing
> Chris> popping up to cause the server to backtrack and nuke
> Chris> everything still on spool that came from that pathhost.
>
>That rather depends what your spool looks like.
>
>--
>Andrew.
>"I believe we've been over this before. There isn't need for any sort
> of security feature unless some asshole wants to make a nuisance of
> himself." Matt (ARPAVAX:glickman) in net.rumor, Dec 1981
nucleus
From: Barret The Hun <bar...@bungmunch.com>
Newsgroups:
news.software.nntp,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
Subject: Re: New cleanfeed release
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:53:33 +0000
Organization: http://www.stripcreator.com/view.php?ID=21467
In article <5ll3ltkistsbmq4hm...@4ax.com>, Barret The Hun
<bar...@bungmunch.com> wrote:
>Marco d'Itri <ab...@1.2.0.1.0.0.1.e.f.f.3.ip6.int> wrote in message
> <0t3b51b02ci5d8n3e9%m...@wonderland.linux.it>:
>
>1st Comment:
>
>
> # from Ricardo's "FAQ"
> return reject("Rogue cancel ($1)", 'Rogue cancel')
> if $hdr{Path} =~
>
/(h[i\d]pcr[i\d]me|(?:hip|hacker|crack|porn|cripple|gimp|cunt|hole|fag|aids|fa
>q|god|hindu|dothead|jew|kike|moslem|towelhead|nazi|kraut|nerd|geek|nigger|red
ne
>ck|rice|slanteye|spick|whine)cancel|cyberwhin(?:er|ing))/;
Look at that.
The list of "illegal" words.
Based on a single stupid word, the entire article
is junked or cancellation is considered "illegal".
Now, is there such a thing as LEGAL cancellation?
Or anything cancelled by the usenet mafia is "legal"?
>Ricardo is the official FAQ maintainer. It is good people read
>the FAQs. I don't see dagocancel listed. Is that an oversight?
>2nd comment:
>
>### groups where we restrict crossposts even more than normal
> low_xpost_groups => 'test|jobs|forsale'.
> '|^alt\.fan\.karl-malden\.nose'.
> '|^alt\.alien\.vampire\.flonk\.flonk\.flonk|^alt\.romath'.
> '|^alt\.snuh|^alt\.fan\.natasha',
>
>
>The nose, flonk and romath should be exempt from fascist
>filtering by blood-sucking totalitarian perverts like
>you who spend their days licking each others output holes.
Not just days, lives.
nucleus
From: Rebecca Ore <reb...@ogoense.net>
Newsgroups:
news.software.nntp,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
Subject: Re: New cleanfeed release
Date: 15 Jul 2001 14:37:06 -0400
Organization: Rebecca's
In article <m3pub2d...@pyrophore.ogoense.net>, Rebecca Ore
<reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
>Barret The Hun <bar...@bungmunch.com> writes:
>
>>
>> 2nd comment:
>>
>> ### groups where we restrict crossposts even more than normal
>> low_xpost_groups => 'test|jobs|forsale'.
>> '|^alt\.fan\.karl-malden\.nose'.
>> '|^alt\.alien\.vampire\.flonk\.flonk\.flonk|^alt\.romath'.
>> '|^alt\.snuh|^alt\.fan\.natasha',
>>
>>
>> The nose, flonk and romath should be exempt from fascist
>> filtering by blood-sucking totalitarian perverts like
>> you who spend their days licking each others output holes.
>>
>
>Oh, no.
>
>I think I'd better fix that in my own local config before a third of
>my users lynch me.
>
>The ideal would be to have broad crossposting allowed in those groups
>to other groups in the Malden family of groups and place where there
>are so few native netcops that Altopians are forced to fake being them
><waves at "P">.
>
>More seriously, what I'd like to do is be able to set a range of
>crossposting from 1 to 14,
Wow!
Crosspost down to 1 group?
That is WEALLY impressive.
Do you charge for your royal services?
> with different poison groups for different
>ranges of groups.
Yep, fine adjustments to censorship unlimited "services".
><grumble> I think I will eventually be forced to learn perl.
>
>--
>Rebecca Ore
>http://www.ogoense.net/rebecca
nucleus
wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 03:06:22 GMT, John_Da...@acm.org wrote:
>
>>Bloxy's wrote:
>>
>>>> Then somebody contacts the admin and asks him to secure his server
>>>> ASAP,
>>
>>> Under WHAT authority?
>>
>>It's been a while since I saw it, but there is an RFC that spells out
>>the responsibility of site admins to put a stop to such menaces as
>>worms and "network storms". If such things come from a site and its
>>admin can't or won't cure them reasonably quickly upon complaint, its
>>upstream feed can and will pull the plug on it.
Zig heil!
>>The RFC came out in the eighties, before there were such things as
>>spam and gibberish-flood attacks; but if it hasn't been extended to
>>cover them,
>I'm sure
SURE?
> it will be soon.
Zig heil!
You've got zome heavy duty connections
to the "higher authorities"?
Or you just suck worse than a black hole,
Mr. megalomania?
>Uhu. Are YOU the writer of some RFCs?
>On what basis you are SURE?
>
>>Is that enough authority for you?
Not until you suck a black hole, sire.
Would you like a chainsaw up your fat
"authority" output hole?
Zig heil!
>Nope.
>Who is RFC?
>Is it an entity?
>
>Someone wrote that RFC and it is not even clear WHOSE interest,
>views and opinions it represents.
>
>Sure, you can hide behind the RFC like it is a word of god and
>ultimate reality, beyond ANY questioning, but...
>
>You see, the RFC is not an authority.
>
>If that RFC violates the principles of law and constitution,
>then...
>
>What follows then?
>
>>John David Galt
>
nucleus
so called moderators, who literally suffocate usenet with
their perverted tricks of totalitarian dicatorship.
In article <ym0lheoi4p...@ncrifq.mil>, Bloxy's...@hotmail.com (Bloxy's)
wrote:
This is a follow up to following article by that conman,
David Kinny, who suffocated the entire root of comp.ai hierarchy.
>It represents his advice on how to conduct the campaign
>of delusion, using private email, just like he did when he
>conducted that conspiracy with the other idiots to take over
>the comp.ai.
>
>>Newsgroups: comp.ai.shells
>>Followup-To:
>>Reply-To:
>>Subject: Re: How do we save comp.ai.shells?
>
>In article <8o7orf$m7n$1...@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, d...@OMIT.cs.mu.oz.au (David
>Kinny) wrote:
>>"Kirt Undercoffer" <ki...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>
>>>How do we save comp.ai.shells from
>>>absurd posting and spam? How do
>>>we move comp.ai.shells to a moderated
>>>newsgroup?
>>
>>Well, the actual process of switching to moderated is rather
>>straightforward, I think it took me about 8 - 10 weeks to go
>>through the procedure with comp.ai.
>
>So, you, lil suckazoid, knew from the day one what you are
>after, when you started making the same hissing sounds this
>doney is making here?
>
>> In that case there was massive support and little opposition,
>
>Bullshit and of the purest grade.
>All pure fabrication.
>
>If there was MASSIVE "support" then, and you were trying
>to IMPROVE things, then where did all those people go
>once you took over that group, you pathological liar?
>
>Massive support, radical improvement in kwality, signal
>to noise ratio and what you have at the end?
>
>Everybody is gone?
>
>Just look at what you have on that group for the last
>3 weeks. About 60 articles total on my server, which is one
>of the bigger servers out there, and out of those articles
>about 99% are advertizements?
>
>What kind of miracle is this?
>
>How could you manage to suffocate that group so totally and
>so fast, mr. improvement?
>
>What is the average article count per day during the last year?
>What is the percentage of the articles that deal with the subject
>of that group, one of the oldest groups around, beyond advertizement?
>
>About about 1-2%?
>
>> but you might not be
>>so lucky in either respect. Also, it's a fairly rare event
>>to make such a switch:
>
>Then why did YOU do it with comp.ai, conman?
>
>> you'd have arguments from people who
>>never read the group insisting religiously that you should
>>instead create comp.ai.shells.moderated
>
>And what is "wrong" with that?
>
>You mean you can not just take the group over, just like you
>did and being assisted since by the fascists and assorted
>totalitarian dictators, "ruling" usenet, whose main principle
>on the subject of "moderation" is:
>
>YEE SHALT NEVER EVER EVEN CONCEIVE THE IDEA OF TOPPLING
>A SITTING DICTATOR, AKA "MODERATOR".
>
>> or some such, and so on.
>
>>It's worth asking yourself: is the problem really bad enough
>>to warrant the effort.
>
>Did you ask the same question of yourself before you conducted
>the campaign of lies and deception behind the scene, creating
>a conspiracy to take over comp.ai and convert it into your
>"private property", you scum of the Earth?
>
>> From my quick look at .shells it didn't
>>seem like you've got a huge problem.
>
>Uhu, and looking at archive of comp.ai, WAS there a "problem"
>on that group before you, suckazoid, took it over?
>
>What WAS the "problem" in a group with the average article
>count per day in the order of a dozen?
>
>Well, the "problem" was that there were some opinions on
>that group, that endangered your parasitic trip of exploiting
>the very subject of intelligence, artificial or otherwise.
>
>There were some ideas, and specificially by Bloxy's, as a
>result of follow up, cross posted to comp.ai.philosophy,
>that were challenging your entire system of delusion.
>
>That just HAD to be stopped as it was getting "dangerously"
>clear that you suck as good, as a dead donkey ass in terms
>of validity of a scientific view.
>
>And so you are on the record, admitting yourself that the
>comp.ai was taken over by you, lil louse, sucking ass of
>a mouse, to "prevent people like Bloxy's from posting in it".
>
>Ok, what specifically were you referring to?
>Where are the references to the articles that are "inappropriate"
>for that group, you like blood sucking thing?
>
>> Pure junk spam is fairly easily skipped
>
>And what was the argument during that conspiracy of taking
>over the entire root of comp.ai hierarchy by you, lil parasite?
>Just the other way around, you pathological liar?
>
>> (some gets filtered out already because it's
>>cross-posted to comp.ai),
>
>And you are admitting yet again that not only you suffocated
>one group, but ANYTHING crossposted to your dump, is getting
>censored by you, intolerant lil fascist, publicly asserting
>a superiority of your own race.
>
>Because the system of thought control operates in such a way
>that if the article is cross posted to a "moderated" group,
>does not even get posted to other, non "moderated" groups,
>until you censor it, you dirty smut.
>
>That is the mechanism, built in into this horrendous
>infrastructure of control, oppression and domination, where
>censors of your kind, the intolerant idiots of the lowest grade
>have an overruling "authority" over the speech on usenet.
>
>Invented by the same corrupt perverts of your kind.
>You are a pseudo scientist in the area of Artificial Suckology,
>sucking life on the level of intelligence, they are sucking
>life out of usenet on the level of various network protocols
>and the usenet infrastructure.
>
>The totalitarian dictators of your kind have the overruling
>authority in these free sucking enterprises unlimited, they
>made out of the oldest information distribution system
>in the world, created PURELY to serve the public interest
>worldwide and facilitate the exchange of ideas worldwide,
>a global public service, built on cooperation and donation
>of resources to facilitate discussions.
>
>> it's the annoying posters that are more problematic.
>
>What is "annoying" posters in terms of scientific argument
>in the scope of the issue of intelligence?
>
>Those, that make your blood boil and cause your teeth to
>knock as good, as about to shatter your jawbones, you
>intolerant lil fascist?
>
>> The down side of being moderated is that
>>someone has to do the work!
>
>Then why did YOU do it, you conman?
>
>>An alternative you could consider is simply abandoning .shells
>>to the spammers and using comp.ai instead,
>
>Comp.ai is a root of entire hierarchy. It is not about shells.
>
>The people spoke and pretty much abandoned your dump and
>so you try to enlarge your "virtual real estate"?
>
>> given that .shells
>>is a low-volume group and the traffic in comp.ai is such that
>>it wouldn't be hard for .shells users to find the relevant
>>material if it was posted in comp.ai .
>
>So, the idea of learning to be more tolerant towards the ideas
>of others, or simply learn how to push the "next" button on
>your newsreader, especially on low traffic groups, as you
>yourself admit, does not even enter your corrupt mind, you
>lil suckazoid, sucking life out of one of the most significant
>areas of discussion on the entire newsnet?
>
>> It would be a pity to lose the group,
>
>Loose the group to what?
>
>What you yourself are saying int this very post above?
>That there seems to be no problem on the first place?
>Then how do you "loose" the group?
>To what?
>
>You mean you can not post an article?
>You mean people can not find it on a 10 article per day
>group?
>
>What is this monkey logic crap?
>
>> but it may be the most pragmatic solution.
>
>>If you want more info on moderation or the changeover process,
>>feel free to email me (watch for the spam trap).
>
>Yes, the same trick you used during the takeover of comp.ai,
>inviting people to conduct the mailing camaign behind the
>scenes.
>
>What seems to be the problem here?
>
>Just post your crap to that group. After all, you both,
>conmen, are trying to IMPROVE things on that group.
>So why don't you just post it right where it belongs?
>
>You are so corrupt, that you sold your balls for a dime each?
>
>>David Kinny,
>>Moderator comp.ai
>
>Not "moderator", but one of the most immoderate perverts
>one can find, intolerant lil fascist, craving for control,
>oppression and domination, willing to suffocate his own
>discipline.
>
>>[ comp.ai is moderated. To submit, just post and be patient, or if ]
>>[ that fails mail your article to <com...@moderators.isc.org>, and ]
>>[ ask your news administrator to fix the problems with your system. ]
>
nucleus
Denebeim) wrote:
>In article <MPG.15bc3952b...@news-west.look.ca>,
>Rick Pikul <rwp...@idirect.com> wrote:
>>In article <9isro2$ubq$1...@dent.deepthot.org>, dene...@deepthot.org
>>says...
>>> No, he's not. He's trolling you and you're falling for it. If you
>>> want to do this, fine, just take it somewhere else please. Okay?
>> Unfortunately, there are people who believe this sort of thing,
>>and it does need to be corrected.
>
>No, sorry, it doesn't.
Huh?
Are you god?
How do you know?
> Trust me on this,
Trust YOU, the hitman of usenet mafia?
> we
Who is "we"?
You've got a conspiracy club here?
> know IRS is full of shit
Huh?
And you are full of what?
Gold?
>and is trolling you.
Yes, "we" know EVERYTHING there is to know,
present, past or future.
Zig heil!
> We don't care what he says on this subject,
Weewee!
Weewee!
> We don't care what he says on this subject,
> We don't care what he says on this subject,
> We don't care what he says on this subject,
> We don't care what he says on this subject,
Zig heil!
> it's not relevant to this newsgroup (news.groups).
> it's not relevant to this newsgroup (news.groups).
> it's not relevant to this newsgroup (news.groups).
> it's not relevant to this newsgroup (news.groups).
> it's not relevant to this newsgroup (news.groups).
Thank you.
>If you feed a troll
He'll moul your sorry tootoo to dust.
Ok, what else is new under the sun?
> he's likely to follow you home and then where will
>you be? Ever have a troll infestation in your newsgroup? The only
>way to win is to not play the game. If you respond to them they will
>just melt down your newsgroup and continue melting it down as long as
>you feed them.
>Jay
>--
>* Jay Denebeim Moderator rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated *
>* newsgroup submission address: b5...@deepthot.org *
>* moderator contact address: b5mod-...@deepthot.org *
>* personal contact address: dene...@deepthot.org *
nucleus
<reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
>dene...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) writes:
First of all, let us put this shit of Jay back:
>>No, sorry, it doesn't. Trust me on this, we know IRS is full of shit
>>and is trolling you. We don't care what he says on this subject,
Zig heil!
>> it's
>>not relevant to this newsgroup (news.groups).
Zig heil!
Otherwise, the post will not be complete.
Not sure why was it taken out of your followup.
>> If you feed a troll he's likely to follow you home and then where will
>> you be? Ever have a troll infestation in your newsgroup? The only
>> way to win is to not play the game. If you respond to them they will
>> just melt down your newsgroup and continue melting it down as long as
>> you feed them.
>Um, Jay, have you ever considered just ignoring IRS Agent unless you
>think he's on topic?
Nope. Why would he?
He is here to drop the hint of the "official position
on this matter" so that all the ass licking news groupies
know what to do next.
His very function is perverting it to the point of
obscene and concocting the cases out of PURE delusions,
fabrications, lies and deceit.
Interestingly enough, that "official position" is quite
often is so blatantly fascist and totalitarian, insulting
and abusing, that even the godfather of brainwashing,
Russ Allbery, has to intervene to make sure that the
top echelons of usenet mafia are not suspected it is
THEIR position also.
It is amazing to see how these very perverts,
collaborating on most of the issues, nevertheless
try to distance themselves from even the members
of their own clique.
For example, all the virtual terrorists, such as
Andrew Gierth, Chris Lewis, David Ritz, Howard Knight,
are kept at a pretty good distance from the "real"
rulers.
They are mostly used as low grade hitmen, whenever
things become "unworkable" and there is a need to
anihilate someone. Since these totalitarian dicators
pose at the same time as "public servants", they
can't quite get directly involved in clear and obvious
anihilation and virtual terrorism.
But, at the same time, they do need these hitmen,
as much as they need Mr. Big Red Ass, Jay Denebeim,
except Jay is used to preliminary insult and redicule
the "hop-position" and push them into the abyss,
trying to piss them off to the point they are willing
to anihilate this entire system of totalitarian dictate.
Interesting arrangement indeed.
Perverse to the extreme.
Now, the godfather of brainwashing and the head
of ideological department of disinformation and
propaganda, Russ, is controlling VAST amounts
of usenet traffic.
I am not sure what the numbers are, but I suspect
a VERY substantial amount of traffic eventually
flows thru Stanford facilities, where Russ is
"da boss". I suspect there are VERY good reasons
for it. WELL beyond the usenet as everybody knows it.
Nope, Jay can not simply push the "next" button
on his newsreader, because, first of all, he is
so fascist and such an intolerant pervert and
a poisonous snake, that his blood LITERALLY boils
when he sees ANYTHING that challenges the present
system of totalitarian dictatorship.
Plus his very "value" here is exactly this very
function, perversion, fabrication, organizing
the "masses" to coordinate their destructive
efforts and conduct various campaigns of
deceit, netcopping and showing the virtual
terrorists the next targets for mass article
cancellations and UDP attacks need be.
That is how this giant system of deceit and
totalitarian and fascist dictate "works" here.
nucleus
wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:37:46 GMT, wei...@private.altnews.com (Scott Weiser)
>wrote:
>
>>what's *actually* being said is
>>"Hey, you wannabee Usenet Censors, quit trying to mess with other
>>people's right to free speech and expression by cancelling their
>>posts."
>
>Yes, yes, we all know that.
>Well, Scott, it's my opinion that there's no *right* to anything on a
>privately-funded and owned pile of wires, routers, cable and servers.
Another blood sucking parasite fabricating lies.
That "privately owned" thing is financed with my money
as a customer.
We have a contract with these liars, who advertized this
thing on their web page and I entered into contract with
these servants of devil under understanding that the
things they claim they deliver, they do deliver.
As far, as usenet goes, from the day one, it has been
considered about the ONLY public place available for
discussions wordwide with the audience exceeding
anything else on the Internet.
> If the
>gentleman is in the USA, and he wants to excercise his first amendment
rights,
You mean there is no such a thing as the notion of free speech
in other "civilized" countries?
Well, how bout the Basic Human Rights conventions?
Ever heard of those, pervert?
>then he's generally free to do so in any public place; he's free to print,
>publish and distribure, but NOT using your or my property,
Why don't you shove your "property" obtained with my money,
up your output hole and state on your web page EXPLICITLY
that you do not support usenet as such and do not give a
flying dead chicken about the very notion of free speech
and basic human rights?
Can I see your web page and that "contract",
about 10 pages long of small letters, basically
telling me that you do not promise to deliver
ANYTHING beyond connecting me to a black hole,
called Internet?
What specific services, you cunning pervert
and blood sucking parasite, promise to your customers?
To you offer email?
Web?
IRC?
News?
Where is that page.
I'll do you a favor and publish my critican analysis
of how perverted you, conman, are.
> network,computer,
>TV or radio station or even typewriter. If so, then they follow MY rules..
Zig heil!
Do I still OWE you money?
Or you are doing it all as a public service,
out of pure heart and love?
One more time, blood sucking parasite:
Do you DEMAND my money, FULL amount,
EVERY SINGLE month, no matter how much
you offer to me in exchange?
Do you honor ANYTHING on your part?
Or about the ONLY thing you know or "care" is how
to such the dollar bills out of my account,
you scum of the earth?
You know what?
You are about the worst representative of this
system of blood sucking parasitism, called
suckitalism, one can find ANY place.
You are such a cunning fabricator of lies and
delusions, I am not sure you think there is
a practical limit to your parasitism unlimited
enterprises.
>I won't belabor the point, but I've stated this before- and there's obviously
>others that disagree.
>
>As I wrote, they might as well be spraypainting FUCK for the
attention-getting
>and all-purpose qualities.
You are a PATHOLOGICAL case of a liar and fabricator.
They are not doing what they are doing for "attention-getting".
It is just the other way around.
YOU, pervert, are doing that very thing.
Otherwise, I simply do not see a single point
in your post of delusion, addressing the issues
of usenet. I suspect you don't even know what
usenet is for and what are some of the MAIN
principles and reasons for its existence.
To the totalitarian parasites of your kind,
the usenet is there to facilitate anything
YOU want, no matter how destructive it is
to those most fundamental principles of
ANY society, created as a result of thousands
of years of experimentation with social structures.
> Doing so will certainly have the same benefits
>towards changing the world- Not.
> t only pisses off those who might have otherwise supported one's point of
>view. And it galvanizes the opposition.
>Don't do it on the wall of my house or in MY computer room, either. I'll nuke
>it.
One more time: "your" computer room
is paid with MY money, suckazoid.
Publish the name of "your" provider here
for all to see.
Go on record as stating the official position
of that provider, you conman and fabricator
of delusions, interested in brainwashing all
into believing the MOST perverted version
of suckitalism conceivable.
nucleus
<postm...@snerts-r-us.org> wrote:
>
>
>BlackPrince wrote:
>>
>> Whoever scribbled:
>>
>> First Amendment, now where have I heard that before, ah yes, over the Pond,
>> means nothing over here.
>>
>> > > The content only appears random. It may, in fact, be very non-random.
>> > > Given the manner in which the content appears, it's highly likely that
>> > > it's a code of some sort which uses pseudo-speech to pass an encrypted
>> > > message, a text-based "steganography" method of hiding an encrypted
>> > > message in an apparently innocuous, if somewhat recondite, Usenet
>> > > post.
>>
>> Code, ah yes, of course.....
>
>
>That suggestion is so imbecilic that it merits a C&C warning.
>
>Anyone that has been payong attention knows it's not code,
>not text based steg, but merely hipcrimes latest hash buster
>so he can claim his floods do not break any BI limits.
The Bullshit Index, invented by one of the conman,
pretending to be doing it as a "public service"?
You mean that blood boiling fascist Seth Breidbart?
>He set this up specifaclly to get at one particular Cabal members
>cancelling of his previous floods,
Did he authorized you to make the representations
on his behalf?
How do you know why did he do it?
> which used an algorithm that would
>auto cancel posts not having any real words for "N" number
>of lines. Now that algorithm won't work.
Good.
>Prolly best to do it by posting host -
>In fact, we
Another weewee fascist here,
interested in conspiracies of these virtual
terrorists POSING as public servants here?
WHO authorized those fascists and virtual terrorists
to conduct humongous amount of article cancellations?
WHO voted on this thing,
you blood susking thing?
> should have a blackhole list of open socks servers
>(the latest spew comes via open socks)
Yep, screw those ideas of democracy.
Replace it with fascist, black and white classifications,
as presented by the perverts of YOUR kind.
Right?
GREAT progress indeed.
Anything else?
What if you suck again?
Can you imagine that?
>Ya gotta admit some of the random sentences are funny...
>
>"go penetrate a blowfish"
>
>"Go know a ram!"
> etc.
It is PERFECTLY valid speech.
As valid, as it gets.
It is a statement indeed.
A statement of the rebel, not interested
in submitting to your fascism.
>-Sean
>
nucleus
wei...@private.altnews.com wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:51:52 -0400, sean <postm...@snerts-r-us.org>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>BlackPrince wrote:
>>>
>>> Whoever scribbled:
>>>
>>> First Amendment, now where have I heard that before, ah yes, over the
Pond,
>>> means nothing over here.
>>>
>>> > > The content only appears random. It may, in fact, be very non-random.
>>> > > Given the manner in which the content appears, it's highly likely that
>>> > > it's a code of some sort which uses pseudo-speech to pass an encrypted
>>> > > message, a text-based "steganography" method of hiding an encrypted
>>> > > message in an apparently innocuous, if somewhat recondite, Usenet
>>> > > post.
>>>
>>> Code, ah yes, of course.....
>>
>>
>>That suggestion is so imbecilic that it merits a C&C warning.
>>
>>Anyone that has been payong attention knows it's not code,
>>not text based steg, but merely hipcrimes latest hash buster
>>so he can claim his floods do not break any BI limits.
>
>program which would embed intelligent messages in such nonsense posts,
>I can presume that this is what's occurring if I choose. It's really
>beside the point though, the point being that the "BI limits" have no
>legal force or authority, and unless the person cancelling the
>messages has proper legal authority to do so, they commit a much worse
>offense, to wit a FEDERAL CRIME, when they do so.
It is simply amazing to see these virtual terrorists
not sitting behind the bars. The amount of destruction
they caused to the MOST fundamental principles of
democracy is simply unbelievable.
Their clandestine terrorist "operations"
and conspiracies with some of the largest
providers in the word are simply mind boggling.
They have no authority WHATSOEVER.
They do not represent ANYONE on usenet,
but themselves.
They are here to advance their own agenda
and terrorise ANY provider or carrier wordwide,
just as described in RICO statue, the racketeering
activity.
Their activity if PURE form of virtual terrorism
and their arrogance knows no limit.
They even have guts to attack the sovereign
countries, as was the case with NATIONAL providers
of India, VSNL and SILNET in december 1999.
These criminals are simply using the fact that
the Internet is a relatively new thing in terms
of legal issues and existing laws.
So, they are weaseling their way into PRETENDING
they are not criminals.
They ARE.
Criminals on a scale unseen before.
By now, their aggregate power is on the par
with militaries of some "civilized" countries.
The "spam" fighting thing is just a coverup.
It is ANYTHING BUT spam fighting.
It is military grade electronic warfare
and establishment of the control over the
information streams.
Just read their virtual warfare "manifesto":
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad0.htm
http://www.cabal.net/index2.html
http://www.sputum.com/
http://www.subgenius.com/
Finally, look at their "art":
http://member.newsguy.com/~sputum/gatekprs.jpeg
http://member.newsguy.com/~sputum/redglare.jpeg
http://member.newsguy.com/~sputum/severed.jpeg
http://member.newsguy.com/~sputum/whosnext.gif
>>He set this up specifaclly to get at one particular Cabal members
>>cancelling of his previous floods, which used an algorithm that would
>>auto cancel posts not having any real words for "N" number
>>of lines. Now that algorithm won't work.
>
>Well good for him. I hope he's tracking these rogue cancellers and
>will prefer charges against the perpetrator to the FBI computer crimes
>folks.
>
>>
>>Prolly best to do it by posting host -
>
>Not just "prolly," absolutely mandatory.
Zig heil!
ABSOLUTISM is a terminology of fascism.
Mandatory?
Hahahahahaha.
Zig heil!
> Nobody, but nobody, has
>legal authority to cancel a post unless they are an authorized
>representative of the *machine's owner.*
Is THAT what RFC 1036 states, pervert?
That "machine owner", unless he is doing it for free,
is receiving the money from his customers.
Does it matter?
I bet not, at least to the suckitalist of your kind.
> And that means *every single
>machine on the network* that stores and forwards the message.
PURE lie and fabrication.
> Which
>also means that once an objectionable message has left the originating
>server, anyone sending a cancel message MUST, by federal law, have
>full, prior legal authority to send that cancel message to *each and
>every* machine down the line. If they do not, they chance a criminal
>prosecution for computer crime under both federal and some state law.
Hahahahahaha.
Fear and guilt.
That is how you tick, suckazoid.
>>In fact, we should have a blackhole list of open socks servers
>>(the latest spew comes via open socks)
>Yes, THAT is the proper way to stop such events....by agreement among
>the server OWNERS and filtering of messages INCOMING so that they are
>killed *within* a server, by that server, before they are
>disseminated.
Will you at least state it on your web page,
you blood sucking parasite?
I bet you won't.
Otherwise, I am not sure what kind of idiot
would sign up for you "service".
>The other method is a network-wide agreement for cancelbots, something
>which would be practically impossible to administer or prove, and a
>single missing link could subject people to criminal prosecution.
What a criminal mind.
One more time:
Fear and Guilt.
That is how you tick.
Secondly, you are indeed a blood sucking parasite
and a pervert.
You are probably one of the most dishonest representatives
of the ISP business there are.
I bet you won't tell the truth about your monstrocities
to your customers.
Because:
Money = god,
and god = money.
THAT is your ONLY "law".
Zig heil!
>--
>Regards,
>Scott Weiser
>******
>"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my
>friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!"
>******
>"The Constitution is not a pool or a pond circumscribed by
>limitations and constrained in its depth, it is a flowing
>river of humanity, fed by the wellspring of liberty and
>freedom. It is as deep as human emotion, as wide as
>human thought and it circles the universe of belief
>and expression and returns to feed itself, and thus
>grows ever deeper and wider."
>Copyright 2001 by Scott Weiser
>To send me email, remove "private."
nucleus
hipclone} <and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>[free.hipcrime and nana.misc snecked]
>
>>>>>> "Scott" == Scott Weiser <wei...@private.altnews.com> writes:
>
> Scott> Whether they are saying the same thing or not, and whether
> Scott> they are "cancellable" or not is irrelevant. The question at
> Scott> issue is WHO is authorized to cancel *anything?*
>
>This is an issue for people who actually operate news servers to
>decide. What server are you running?
>
> Scott> From the First Amendment persepective, they are clearly
> Scott> speech, they are clearly intelligible, and they are clearly
> Scott> lawful and protected against *government* interference based
> Scott> upon content.
>
>*looks around* I don't see any governments interfering here....
>
> Scott> Now, it seems they may constitute a Denial of Service attack
> Scott> on some servers, which happens to be a crime...have you
> Scott> notified the FBI?
>
>It's my understanding that the FBI have a file on the person
>responsible which goes back some years; that person is, as far as
>anyone knows, not currently residing within the US, and the chances of
>him being extradited (or, for that matter, being prosecuted by the
>authorities in his current place of residence) seem remote.
>
>It's also my understanding (though from hearsay, as I also don't live
>in the US and have accordingly had no reason to deal with the FBI)
>that getting the FBI off their collective arses requires someone to
>demonstrate a substantial dollar sum in damages, which is not easy to
>do in cases of this type.
>
> Scott> From the legal perspective, the only people who have "cancel
> Scott> rights" on any and every particular server are the server
> Scott> owners or their authorized agents.
>
>Well, I'll happily authorize Ben to cancel things on my server
>provided he sticks to the usual conventions; furthermore, I propagate
>any such cancels that reach me to various other servers
A great public servant, huh?
Not only you are nuking ANYTHING you don't like
off of your own swerwer, but being the virtual terrorist
you are, you are also sending the cancel messages worldwide.
Mind you, GLOBALLY.
Zo...
> with the
>specific knowledge and consent of their own administrators.
Hahahahahahaha.
What a conman.
> Scott> If you, for example, go to my server and cancel messages you
> Scott> think violate the BI, without my permission or authorization,
> Scott> then you have committed a FEDERAL CRIME.
>
>Given the following sequence of events:
>
> 1) I post a cancel message on my own server
>
> 2) my server propagates that cancel to a number of other servers by
> explicit arrangement with their administrators
Nope, it goes out WORLDWIDE,
and you, virtual terrorist, KNOW IT,
and know it ALL TOO WELL.
So, you are lying your teeth off here
and trying to minimize the impact of your
virtual terrorist activities.
> 3) those other servers propagate the cancel in ways over which I have
> no influence or control
Another lie.
They just don't give a flying dead chicken.
VERY FEW news admins wordwide are engaged
in this virtual terrorism, conducted by the
most blood boiling censors and totalitarian dictators,
POSING as "public servants", doing it all for the
"good of all", you conman.
> 4) the cancel arrives on a server which feeds your (hypothetical) server
>
> 5) that server then feeds the cancel to you (in spite of a simple
> convention allowing them not to do that), and your server
> correspondingly removes the article (in spite of several
> configuration options that allow you to avoid that)
>has a crime been committed, and if so who by?
Huh?
Even to call you a pervert
is to insult a plain ordinary pervert.
> Scott> AFIK, the only "permission" you have to cancel anything is
> Scott> permission to cancel a post YOU have written, not somebody
> Scott> else's, spam or not.
>and where do you think this permission to cancel ones own articles
>come from?
RFC, suxy.
And you KNOW it, you pathological liar.
You are probably number one virtual terrorist
in the world. The number of the articles you
cancelled wordwide probably runs into tens
if not hundred of millions.
But...
> (after all, many servers don't even allow that).
nucleus
wrote:
>sean <postm...@snerts-r-us.org> wrote:
>>BlackPrince wrote:
>>
>>Anyone that has been payong attention knows it's not code,
>>not text based steg, but merely hipcrimes latest hash buster
>>so he can claim his floods do not break any BI limits.
>>
>>cancelling of his previous floods, which used an algorithm that would
>>auto cancel posts not having any real words for "N" number
>>of lines. Now that algorithm won't work.
>
>times various peoples names get dropped in a post. The only problem I
>see is Rebeccas posts getting canceled by mistake.
The number of posts cancelled as a result of these "mistakes"
is simply mind boggling.
Interestingly enough, most of the posters do not even realize
their writings simply evaporated out of existence and never
seen the light of day. They sit there in wonder what happened
and how come nobody is following their posts up, getting upset,
not even realizing what is going on.
These are not "mistakes". These things are called
a "collateral damage".
I wonder how many of these perverts and virtual terrorist
would be willing to put up their own child or a friend
as a "collateral" in the name of ANYTHING.
>--
>Skippy
nucleus
<9ivskb$2itc$1...@news.ukr.net>:
[Jay Denebeim]
> He is here to drop the hint of the "official position
> on this matter" so that all the ass licking news groupies
> know what to do next.
>
> His very function is perverting it to the point of
> obscene and concocting the cases out of PURE delusions,
> fabrications, lies and deceit.
>
> Interestingly enough, that "official position" is quite
> often is so blatantly fascist and totalitarian, insulting
> and abusing, that even the godfather of brainwashing,
> Russ Allbery, has to intervene to make sure that the
> top echelons of usenet mafia are not suspected it is
> THEIR position also.
>
> It is amazing to see how these very perverts,
> collaborating on most of the issues, nevertheless
> try to distance themselves from even the members
> of their own clique.
>
> For example, all the virtual terrorists, such as
> Andrew Gierth, Chris Lewis, David Ritz, Howard Knight,
> are kept at a pretty good distance from the "real"
> rulers.
Actually, Andrew Gierth is not kept at a distance. He
performs the function of David C (no dot) Lawrence
in the uk.* hierarchy. Zo, on a list of peers, he
would outrank even the godfather of brainwashing (GOB)
until the GOB gets a promotion.
nucleus
Russ Allbery, the head of department of ideological
propaganda and disinformation.
My comments are in brackets [].
From: Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu)
Subject: Re: Moderation = Censorship Here
Newsgroups: news.groups, alt.censorship, news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,
news.admin.censorship
Date: 2000/09/27
In news.groups, Roger Schlafly <roger...@my-dejanews.com> writes:
> Over in talk.origins, Tale apparently prevented the moderator from
> having a vote that the charter required. Tale was concerned (AFAIK) that
> talk.origins would abandon moderation.
tale, who if you haven't figured it out by now is the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups and the main person who sets newsgroup creation
policy, enforced a standard rule of the Big Eight newsgroup creation
[Those dicates, these totalitarian perverts called
"rules" are created by godfather of brainwashing himself]
system that's been in effect for as long as I've been following
news.groups and that has affected other proposals besides just
talk.origins, namely that we don't do conditional votes.
Big Eight newsgroup votes are not conditional. They don't have future
development clauses, they don't revert unless someone does something, and
they don't depend on the output of other votes. They are always straight
up yes or no votes for the object being voted on, and after passing or
failing are over with unless someone posts a new RFD and a new CFV.
[First of all, they are not really votes.
Because if the fuehrer of big-8, David Lawrence,
can decide to just ignore those "votes",
then what kind of vote is this?
Nope, they are not votes as you know it.
It is not a democratic system here,
no matter what godfather of brainwashings says.
It is a perversion and a redicule of a democratic
process, something that is made to LOOK like it,
but not it, by ANY means.
Those "rules" are FULL of excuses to give the fuehrer
all the tricks necessary to deny creation of any
group, no matter what the "vote" results are.
The group creation or status are subject
to discression of the fueher of big-8.
Cunning as it gets.
]
The
talk.origins moderation vote passed, so the group was moderated.
[Every conceivable trick was used
to take over the talk.origins
IN PLACE.
That was one of the most outrageous examples
of the totalitarian censorship on record I bet.
Done PURELY for totalitarian censorship purposes.
With ANY and ALL conceivable assistance from
the usenet mafia and godfather of brainwashing
himself.
Zig heil!
]
If you
want to unmoderate it, you'll have to post a new RFD and CFV.
[Typical lie and deceit by godfather of deceit.
He knows ALL too well the fuehrer's rule
number sucking one on this subject:
YEE SHALT NEVER EVER
EVEN CONCEIVE THE IDEA
OF TOPPLING A SITTING DICTATOR
AKA "MODERATOR".
]
The original talk.origins RFD attempted to set up a conditional vote,
saying that there had to be another vote in six months or the outcome
would be overturned.
[Good idea.
Once the group is taken over by the totalitarian
censors, assisted by the usenet mafia,
interested in converting entire usenet
into a TOTALLY censored system,
there is basically nothing that could be done
to remove those totalitarian censors.
Putting such a provision
is a VERY good idea.
]
The Big Eight process doesn't allow this,
[Nope, pervert, YOU don't "allow" this
because YOU wrote those dictates
you misrepresent here as "rules".
They were not voted on by usenet participants
at large. You can modify them ANY time you want
and put ANYTHING you like in those dictates,
never even bothering with this PMII (Preliminary
Mass Insult Invitation), you, perverts, call
RFD.
Have you submitted ANY "rfd" to change ANYTHING
in your own dictates, you, conman, represent here
as "rules"?
Has ANY of it been discussed and argued?
Can I see the references?
]
which
the proponents were told up-front.
[Yes, DICTATED by the dictators of your kind.
Herr fuehrer never participates in all this
dirty work of talking.
He is only interested
in the "real" "powers",
holding his fat finger
on the big red button labled 'anihilate'.
Never gets his hands dirty
in discussing the issues of democracy.
Could care less about it.
]
They wanted to try to change that and
allow for this sort of situation,
[What sort of "situation", you pervert?
You mean the VERY appropriate mechanism
for making sure these fascist censors,
called "moderators", remain in check?
Tell me, what are the mechanisms available
on big-sucking-8 to assure these blood boiling
totalitarian perverts, you call "moderators",
some of the MOST immoderate idiots you can find,
are being kept in check?
Where are the mechanisms to assure
the PUBLIC interests prevail
over the MOST perverted concept
of "ownership" of the group
by the "moderators"
ever conceived?
Well, there aint no mechanisms
to keep the fascism in check.
No mechanisms of assuring the accountability.
No mechanisms of removing those dictators.
NOTHING at all.
It is but a one way road
to HELL.
]
but in the end were unsuccessful.
[You mean harassed to the point of anihilation?
Abused, insulted and pissed in the face
just as usual?
How exciting, Mr. public servant.
]
It
was pretty clear in the discussion at the time,
[Yes, as clear, as a bell indeed]
AFAIR, that the
conditional bit was rather far from likely to actually work in practice.
[NONE of YOUR blood sucking business.
If the people on that group are interested
in keeping the totalitarianism in check,
then who are you, megalomaniacal pervert,
to dictate them your own fabrications,
passing them as "official" "rules"?
The very fact that you are even bothering
with this post of poisionous deceit of yours here,
simply indicates something, doesn't it?
]
The reason why we don't do conditional votes
[Who is we, pervert?
WHO do you represent?
WHO voted for you?
WHO authorized you to be the godfather of brainwashing?
What legal authority appointed you?
You are such a blood boiling fascist,
that you must be totally out of your mind
to represent the usenet here
as though you were somehow authorized.
Just look at your megalomaniacal,
PURELY fascist idea of Usenet 2.
That is but a masterpiece of totalitarianism,
fascism, censorship, and TOTAL mind control.
Your clique of "czars", controlling that
masterpiece of fascist delusion, Usenet 2,
are simply insanely drunk with power,
control, oppression and domination ideology.
Now, interestingly enough,
YOU, pervert, are the BIGGEST "czar"
there is on that thing,
controlling the issues of GENERAL nature.
ALL of those minor "czars",
you megalomaniacs,
are to lick your fat totalitarian ass.
Where did you find such a crowd of idiots?
Now, interestingly enough,
all of their pictures are on those pages,
but yours are not there.
How come?
There is no face of a WEAL "czar"?
What do you have instead of that picture?
Some symbol from Freemasonry?
Or what IS that thing there?
"Usenet II is an attempt to create a structure where the traditional Usenet
model of cooperation and trust can be made to work in the Internet of
the 21st century."
Hahahahahaha.
Here is the list of "da steering committee" of thought control:
http://www.usenet2.org/committee.txt
Sat Sep 13 12:19:51 CDT 1997
Usenet II Steering Committee (steering-...@usenet2.org):
Russ Allbery
Todd McComb
Russell Nelson
Odd Einar Aurbakken
Peter da Silva
Ron Echeverri
Here is the list of "czars":
http://www.usenet2.org/czars.txt
net.general Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu>
net.writing Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu>, Kate Wrightson
net.games.roleplaying Bruce Baugh <ari...@eyrie.org>
net.history Todd Michel McComb <net-h...@medieval.org>
net.music Todd Michel McComb <net-...@medieval.org>
net.food Stephanie da Silva <ari...@taronga.com>
net.aquaria Richard Sexton <ric...@ns1.vrx.net>
net.aviation Javier Henderson <jav...@kjsl.com>
net.bicycles Danny Lieberman <d...@panix.com>
net.bizarre Ron Echeverri <ro...@ennui.org>
net.computers Russell Nelson <nel...@crynwr.com>
net.crafts Liz Reynolds, Piglet, Victoria Fike
<czar...@panix.com>
net.current-events Neil Crellin <ne...@stanford.edu>
net.education Kate Wrightson <ka...@rigel.econ.uga.edu>
net.genre Jeff Mercer <rif...@afn.org>
net.genre.sf.babylon5 Dave Williams <da...@clues.com>
net.genre.sf.fandom Gary Farber <gfa...@panix.com>
net.humour Vince Sabio <Humo...@telephonet.com>
net.internet Odd Einar Aurbakken <o...@a.sol.no>
net.lycanthropy LoveBear <be...@dogmatix.iinet.net.au>
net.media JD Falk <net-med...@cybernothing.org>
net.medicine John C. Mozena <m...@cybernothing.org>
net.origins David Iain Greig <gr...@ediacara.org>
net.religion Catherine Hampton <net-reli...@hrweb.org>
net.science David Iain Greig <gr...@ediacara.org>
net.sexuality "B. Elijah Griffin" <e...@panix.com>
net.sport John C. Mozena <m...@cybernothing.org>
net.subculture Ron Echeverri <ro...@ennui.org>
net.support Beverley R. White <wedn...@tezcat.com>
net.theatre Steve Atkins <net-t...@blighty.com>
<ka...@eyrie.org>
net.writing.roleplaying.in-character Alistair Young
<ava...@arkane.demon.co.uk>
And here is your faces of disgraces:
http://www.afn.org/~riffer/projects/usenet2/
I like the picture of that dude with red horns,
Todd McComb.
Looks like a Freemasonry club in order indeed.
Zo...
The same perverts are still running around here?
Are you but PATHOLOGICAL cases of megalomaniacal
totalitarian peverts and fascists?
]
is due to the number of
people who already don't understand the implications of the very simple
votes we have now. Making voting more complicated is a recipe for even
more confusion.
[Hahahahahhahaha.
Godfather of brainwashing at his best indeed,
weaseling around, trying to make it look like
something totally different.
"I can either help you,
or hurt you".
- Russ Allbery
Zig heil!
Finally, here is a lil post from that interesting thread:
Quote begin:
From: Roger Schlafly (roger...@my-dejanews.com)
Subject: Re: Moderation = Censorship Here
Newsgroups: alt.censorship, news.groups, news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,
news.admin.censorship
Date: 2000/09/27
Acharya Veeren wrote:
> Tale is an information terrorist and a totalitarian dictator.
Over in talk.origins, Tale apparently prevented the moderator
from having a vote that the charter required. Tale was concerned
(AFAIK) that talk.origins would abandon moderation.
End of quote.
]
--
Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
nucleus
Burnett) wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:30:53 +0000 (UTC), Edward A. Falk <falc...@best.com>
> wrote:
>> In article <3b4f8836...@nntp.ext.raytheon.com>,
>> Felix Tilley <fti...@west.raytheon.cyberbromo.com> wrote:
>>>Anyone know anything about this news server? Is it an open server? I
>>>would think even a telephone company knows better than that.
>>
>> The flood from this server is ENORMOUS. Pac-Bell knows there is
>> a problem and has not done anything about it.
>>
>> I suggest UDP as soon as possible.
Another specimen of an information terrorist here.
>> Given the seriousness of
>> the flood, I don't think we should wait the usual 5 days.
>
>I agree. I found a newer version of slrn that allows me to killfile posts
>by the Path: header, but it's still annoying.
Just because it is ANNOYING to YOU,
it is enough to justify the GLOBAL information
terrorist attack?
> Also, all of these (garbage)
>posts will start pushing legitimate posts out of news spools.
>
>Seeing how some of the more recent ones have been coming from *.rr.com, i'm
>wondering if they deserve the same treatment.
Terrorising the whole world.
>--
>Kevin Burnett http://www.catnip.org/
nucleus
(Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to Bill <s...@text.org>:
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:24:32 GMT, wei...@private.altnews.com (Scott Weiser)
>> wrote:
>> If any individual's *ever* been convicted under any computer crime law for
>> nuking a spammer's posts, ie, stopping an illegal DOS attack, I'd like to
> hear
>> the story- who, when-where?
>
>Given how long I've been despamming (since 1994)
Not despamming, but terrorising the whole world
in virtual domain and performing massive amounts
of censorship.
The perverts of your kind could care less about
the public interests they claim to be protecting.
You are a self-appointed self-promoting virtual
terrorist who found a sensitive issue, spam,
to advance your own agenda.
Plus you are a conspirator.
You routinely get engaged into global virtual
terrorism attacks, called UDP (Usenet Death Penalty),
terrorizing legal commercial entities, netowk carriers
and providers wordwide.
You FORCE those providers to sumbit to your will
threatening them with disconnection from usenet,
email, etc.
Mind you, to advance your own corrupt agenda.
Furthermore, there are but a few people worldwide,
who can compare with you in terms of impact on
terrorising the whole world.
Some of them are Andrew Gierth, the fuerer of uk.*
hierarchy and one of the most blatant censors and
virtual terrorists, ROUTINELY cancelling tens of
thousans of posts per day and routinely promoting
and sponsoring the UDP attacks.
So is David Ritz, Howard Knight and several other
virtual terrorists, posing as "public servants".
> and knowing much of what
>is happening with other despammers, I think we can take it as a given
>that it's never happened.
>
>Mind you, there were times where I had at least one legal threat per day,
>and people have tried various RL attacks to stop me. Ie: getting me falsely
>implicated in theft of computers.
>
>I have spoken with the FBI, RCMP, OPP and local police. Each time I've
>explained to them exactly what I'm doing. Not once has any of them
>indicated any problem, provided I send notifications and deal fairly.
>
>Which I do.
>
>I've issued at least 60,000 spam cancels for hipspew in the past week or
>so[*]. I'm not worried.
>
>[*] Andrew's metrics don't show that high a number, because there's
>significant overlap with the at least two other major despammers dealing
>with it.
nucleus
by Andrew Gierth, one of the most blatant and arrogant
virtual terrorists in the entire history of mankind.
In article <87puazf...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Gierth
<and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> "Lilith" == Lilith <no45...@nor45etun.net> writes:
>
> >> [free.hipcrime and nana.misc snecked]
>
> Lilith> unsnecked
>
>[snecked again]
>
> Lilith> Nope, the news admins don't get to decide what laws to
> Lilith> follow, and what laws to break. There are immune to legal
> Lilith> charges of inappropriate/illegal content on their machines
> Lilith> now, as long as they do not control or attempt to control the
> Lilith> content. Once they begin to attempt to control the content,
> Lilith> then they become legally liable for anything that may be
> Lilith> found on their servers.
>
> Lilith> Half the legally ignorant nitwit admins don't have a clue
> Lilith> about this.
>
>That's because it's flatly not true.
>
>In the US, news server operators have virtually complete immunity with
>regard to the content of their servers (as provided by their users or
>users of other sites), _regardless of how much control they execute
>over the content_.
>
>The 47 USC 230 defense has been interpreted _very_ broadly by the US
>courts (see http://legal.web.aol.com for a long list of decisions
>upholding the defense in a wide range of situations). The only
>situations where it does not apply are for copyright, which is covered
>by separate legal provisions (the DMCA), and certain criminal
>activities including child pornography, which is also the subject of
>separate legislation. None of these other laws say anything about
>making providers liable for content on the basis of whether or not
>they exercise control (indeed quite the opposite).
>
>In other jurisdictions matters are slightly less clear. However, in
>the UK for example, the Godfrey vs. Demon case shows fairly clearly
>that taking a hands-off approach to the content of one's servers is a
>good way to run up a huge legal bill.
>
> >> Well, I'll happily authorize Ben to cancel things on my server
>
> Lilith> Not my posts you won't.
>
>yes, even your posts if they constitute cancellable spam, forgeries,
>spew, flooding attacks or any of the other usual grounds for
>cancellation.
As defined by?
YOU and the virtual terrorists of your grade,
conspiring to excersize a GLOBAL control
over the speech as such?
> >> provided he sticks to the usual conventions;
>
> Lilith> He hasn't.
>
>and you know this how?
>
> >> furthermore, I propagate any such cancels that reach me to various
> >> other servers with the specific knowledge and consent of their own
> >> administrators.
>
> Lilith> Liar.
>
>and you know this how?
>
> >> 2) my server propagates that cancel to a number of other servers by
> >> explicit arrangement with their administrators
>
> Lilith> Post one of those "explicit" agreements.
>
>Well, here's what one news admin sent to me in email:
> "Hi, I wanted to ask you if it could possible to peer news with you,
> so that we can receive cancels from annihilator faster from you."
>
>Is that explicit enough?
What kind of a reference is this?
How does anybody know it isn't a PURE fabrication?
What is the name of the representative?
What is the name of the provider?
When was the message sent?
Where is the full text of the message?
This isn't exactly how you provide evidence,
you pervert, pathological liar and virtual terrorist,
posing as some kind of protector of public interests,
a self-appointed, self-promoting megalomaniac.
> >> 5) that server then feeds the cancel to you (in spite of a simple
> >> convention allowing them not to do that), and your server
> >> correspondingly removes the article (in spite of several
> >> configuration options that allow you to avoid that)
>
> Lilith> Many servers do not process any cancels,
>
>I know, I also run some servers that way.
>
>If you're prepared to invest serious time and effort into filtering,
>you probably get the best overall quality of service by disabling
>cancels (or at least filtering them very heavily) and working on
>filtering inbound spam, floods etc.
How many PERFECTLY valid articles did you cancel
and are cancelling EVERY SINGLE DAY?
Here is but a VERY few examples
including the text of original articles:
[----------------------- Quote begin ------------------------]
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Subject: cmsg cancel <9fc37r$75s$1...@news.unitel.co.kr> ignore no reply
Control: cancel <9fc37r$75s$1...@news.unitel.co.kr>
Message-ID: <cancel.9fc37r$75s$1...@news.unitel.co.kr>
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 02:23:08 +0000
Sender: jc_...@hotmail.com (jc)
From: and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk
Organization: Annihilator v0.3
Approved: y
X-Cancelled-By: and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Original-From: jc_...@hotmail.com (jc)
X-Original-Subject: Re: Minsky's "Programs, Emotions and Common Sense"
X-Original-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:27:55 GMT
X-Cancel-ID: "R?F'KW05T6LMM(8P]91,3M7%D[M`(=UW.8"2/,&@6%KAT9^'3"WI0P6
Lines: 1
Xref: news.ukr.net control.cancel:5418311
Status: O
Flooding attack cancelled - type=OPENSERVER
Cancel ID: "R?F'KW05T6LMM(8P]91,3M7%D[M`(=UW.8"2/,&@6%KAT9^'3"WI0P6
[----------------------- End of Quote ------------------------]
[----------------------- Quote begin ------------------------]
Message-ID: <9fc2cj$6ib$1...@news.unitel.co.kr>
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups
Subject: cmsg cancel <9fc2cs$6ib$2...@news.unitel.co.kr> ignore no reply
Control: cancel <9fc2cs$6ib$2...@news.unitel.co.kr>
Message-ID: <cancel.9fc2cs$6ib$2...@news.unitel.co.kr>
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:52:43 +0000
Sender: jc_...@hotmail.com (jc)
From: and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk
Organization: Annihilator v0.3
Approved: y
X-Cancelled-By: and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Original-From: jc_...@hotmail.com (jc)
X-Original-Subject: Re: [FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups
X-Original-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:14:17 GMT
X-Cancel-ID: W?E_/][Q>-Y^B*2S*3SL`PTIKV\.(:@.KKC4XUEL'#,]6=^?/E'8/M[H
Lines: 1
Xref: news.ukr.net control.cancel:5418241
Status: O
Flooding attack cancelled - type=OPENSERVER
Cancel ID: W?E_/][Q>-Y^B*2S*3SL`PTIKV\.(:@.KK
[----------------------- End of Quote ------------------------]
Here is a full text of that article.
Article Id: 9fc37r$75s$1...@news.unitel.co.kr
[----------------------- Quote begin ------------------------]
From: jc (jc_...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Minsky's "Programs, Emotions and Common Sense"
Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy
Date: 2001-06-02 18:28:48 PST
In article <hd7S6.59084$t12.4...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Stephen Harris" <stephen....@omitomitworldnet.att.net> wrote:
>JRStern <JRS...@gte.net> wrote in message
>news:3b181882...@news.gte.net...
>> On 1 Jun 2001 16:08:29 -0500, Neil W Rickert <ricke...@cs.niu.edu>
So, Dennett's
>> >>intentional stance may be nice for predicting people's intuitions, but
>> >>it may have nothing at all with actually building autonomous agents,
>> >>except as a spec for external behaviors. "Must jump like a frog" may
>> >>be an "intentional" requirement, but it's hardly a specification for
>> >>springs and levers. But I see I have wandered from the original
>> >>topic.
>> >I mostly agree. By contrast, my own view of intentionality is, in
>> >effect, a specification of springs and levers.
>> I'm not sure if my springs and levers ever quite reify into something
>> usefully called intentionality. Probably not. I can't wait to find
>> out that level of detail of what I think.
>> Joshua Stern
>> JRS...@gte.net
>I don't see that the status of the reckoning depends upon Nature's purpose
Not the NATURE'S purpose, as nature is not an entity,
but the purpose of intelligent life.
>which is attached through an appeal to the impact of our genetic mandates
You won't be able to prove the idea of "genetic mandates".
Again, you have some strange god like idea,
"mandating" something to all.
Either you get rid of the idea of god,
or get rid of idea of mandate.
Otherwise, god simply does not make sense.
>if I followed Dennett's argument correctly.
>http://cogprints.soton.ac.uk/documents/disk0/00/00/03/44/cog00000344-00
>/ROSENBERG.htm
>Somewhat surprisingly, Rosenberg does think that a sufficiently abstract
>version of evolutionary theory is nevertheless universally true in just the
>sense that the laws of physics are. The problem is that in the sense it is
>true it is largely inapplicable to cognitively empoverished beings such as
>us. Following Mary Williams proposed axiomatization of evolutionary
>theory, Rosenberg endorses the idea that every organism has some
>"positive real number that describes its fitness in a particular
>environment."
>This number, however, supervenes on a host of genetic particularities of
>the organism, and we have no chance of identifying a class of sufficiently
>similar organisms to which it applies even holding constant the continuous
>flux of environmental change. Thus this law, while expressing the objective
>reality of natural selection, is at best of heuristic value in application
>to the study of real evolutionary processes. ...
>In two concluding chapters Rosenberg extends his arguments to the human
>and social sciences. Here the outlook is considerably more pessimistic
>than for biology. For the human mind not only carries all the problems of
>being a biological phenomenon, but adds a whole level of complexity
>through the phenomenon of intentionality. The psychological, thus, is
>doubly supervenient: it supervenes on neurophysiology, which itself
>supervenes on the physical. The analysis, whatever one thinks of the
>metaphysics, is plausibly deployed against the more scientistic
>pretensions of some parts of psychology and social science.
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>If you're not prepared to invest the amount of effort that requires,
>you're probably going to get better results from leaving cancels
>enabled.
>
>If you disable cancels and _don't_ do filtering, then the result is
>going to look like a sewer.
Like YOU, personally, "care" how other servers look like.
Hahahahahahaha.
What a pathological case of a liar and a pervert,
fabricating delusions.
> >> and where do you think this permission to cancel ones own articles
> >> come from? (after all, many servers don't even allow that).
>
> Lilith> The copyright holder retains all right and interest in the
> Lilith> created post.
>
>To the extent that they own the rights on what is said (to the extent
>that it constitutes an original work of authorship) that is true - but
>that gives no rights of ownership over the medium on which the post is
>stored, and neither does it automatically give the right to revoke
>permission to distribute once that permission has been granted.
The author ONLY has the right to control
the original publication of the article
according to Copyright law.
You, totalitarian censor, are destroying the ability
of the author to control the publication of the original
work.
>If you follow that argument, it would not be legal for a site to
>_disable_ cancels....
First of all, you are not here to argue ANYTHING.
Why WOULD you?
You could care less about ANY of it.
If you are so certain that you are protected by
the bulletproof case, then...
Then why would you even bother to follow up on these
posts, being the arrogant megalomaniacal totalitarian
dictator you are?
WHY?
Just ignore all this.
What can ANYBODY possibly do to you,
at least according to your own version
of "how it works" from the legal perspective?
>--
>Andrew.
nucleus
<graham....@lineone.net> wrote:
>Helmut Kahovec <helmut....@teleweb.at> wrote in
>news:3B54AA27...@teleweb.at:
>
>> Since 15th of July 2001 I have not been able to connect to the public
>> news server
>>
>> pubnews.netcom.net.uk .
>>
>> Have this news server and this site ceased to exist?
>>
>
>Yes. They were the target for a major flooding campaign and fealt that
>they were unable to provide the support to deal with it for a free
>service.
ANY evidence?
How does anybody know that you are not merely
fabricating these lies?
> news.cis.dfn.de is still operating as a reliable, free news
>server although they don't have the same amount of groups.
This Graham Drabble dude is one of those very perverts,
interested in coverting the notion of democracy
into a notion of totalitarian dictate
by the virtual terrorists,
imposing their will
upon all.
Those perverts,
putting up the mask of a public servant
to cover up their fascist nature,
imposing their Aryan race of rulers" ideology
on the whole planet Earth.
>--
>Graham Drabble
nucleus
(Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu>:
>> In news.groups, rfgdxm/Robert F Golaszewski <rfg...@mochamail.com> writes:
>>
>> > I has thought there was no provision at all for replacing a moderator
>> > who actively opposed this?
>
>> There isn't any standard procedure, but I'm quite sure that it's possible
>> given sufficiently egregious behavior.
>
>Even when the charter explicitly calls for a moderator replacement
>process, it doesn't necessarily get honoured.
It NEVER gets "honored".
In fact, the usenet mafia and totalitarian dictators
of a kind of big-8 fuehrer, David Lawrence, aka tale
and Russ Allbery, aka the godfather of brainwashing,
the head of department of ideological propaganda and
disinformation, is SQUARELY against the unmoderated
groups as such.
Their EXCLUSIVE interest is to convert the usenet
into TOTALLY censored outlet of party propaganda
peddling and domain of lowest common denominator,
where these very fascists impose their own will
upon all, FORCING the group proponents or even
existing groups to adopt the "charters", written
in accordance with demands by these very totalitarian
dictators, posing as protectors of public interests.
Their idea of "Usenet 2" (http://www.usenet2.org
failed miserably because it was so blatantly obvious
on its face value what kind of humongous system
of totalitarian dictate it was meant to be.
These megalomaniacs even call themselves "czars",
controlling EVERY SINGLE GROUP and EVERY SINGLE subject.
Realizing that fascist system of Usenet 2
is not going to work,
they decided to take over the existing usenet
and eventually convert it into the same exact system.
Ever since, EVERY SINGLE "moderated" group proposal
was supported by them in every conceivable way,
even when the group creators themselves realized
what are they trying to do.
EVERY SINGLE conversion from non-moderated status
of a group to "moderated" was supported and assisted
by this usenet mafia, hiding behind the mask of
public servant.
There exists not a SINGLE provision of supervision,
accountabilty or return of the "moderated" group
back to unmoderated status, no matter what kind
of grossest violations take place on that group.
The main "rule" by the fuehrer of big-8, David Lawrence,
aka tale on this subject is:
YEE SHALT NEVER EVER
EVEN CONCEIVE OF AN IDEA
OF TOPPLING A SITTING DICTATOR,
AKA "MODERATOR".
These so called moderators
are essentially blatant censors
of blood boiling grade,
intolerant to the point
where they can not even conceive of an idea
of pushing the "next" button on their newsreader
whenever they see an article
that raises the temperature of their
Aryan, pure blood
to the point of boiling.
>> > Has any moderator ever had a NG yanked from him in the Big 8?
That is not possible even in principle.
>> Most of the cases that went that far ended up being way too complicated to
>> answer that question either yes or no. Moderators have been replaced.
>> "Against their will" in some cases was somewhat arguable.
>
>Soc.religion.islam. Moderators into fight over turfing a moderator,
>irregularities were _highly_ apparent, moderators-advice (mostly me)
WeeeoooouuuuwwWWW!
>got involved by trying to mediate,
Or dominate?
I'd LOVE to see the examples of virtual terrorist
of your kind "mediating" ANYTHING.
> I come under attack from the
>moderators using fake names, with some assistance (thanks Steve!)
>manage to establish _gross_ dishonesty on the part of several of
>the moderators.
>
>Final result: all moderators resigned. New batch took over.
I don't know what kind of idiot would trust
YOUR version of it.
>I won't do that again.
nucleus
(Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to Henry Vizi <Drwho...@worldnet.att.net>:
>
>> Strictly speaking, if your ISP cancels your account, where both you and
your
>> ISP are in the US, for any reason that entails you saying something in a
>> *public*
>> forum (whether it be racist, threatening, whatever) your ISP is in
violation
>> of the first ammendment of the constitution. It's no different from the US
>> government shutting down a newspaper that prints "the president is a
moron".
>> It violates your first ammendment rights to speak publically. IT'S ILLEGAL.
>
>Nonsense. If you subscribe to an ISP and accept their terms, you are
>bound by those terms. If their ToS says you can't say "foo", and you
>do say "foo", you're in violation of contract, and the ISP is _well_
>within their rights to turf you.
>
>By the way "first amendment" states "Congress shall make no law". ISPs
>aren't Congress in case that's not obvious.
Interesting version of democracy,
ain't it?
Perversion knows no limit indeed.
These virtual terrorists and totalitarian dictators
can convert democracy into suckocracy and lickassocracy
in no time indeed.
Just look at where the follow up were redirected:
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,news.groups,alt.usenet.kooks
nucleus
(Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to Andrew Gierth <and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk>:
>> The 47 USC 230 defense has been interpreted _very_ broadly by the US
>> courts (see http://legal.web.aol.com for a long list of decisions
>> upholding the defense in a wide range of situations). The only
>> situations where it does not apply are for copyright, which is covered
>> by separate legal provisions (the DMCA), and certain criminal
>> activities including child pornography, which is also the subject of
>> separate legislation. None of these other laws say anything about
>> making providers liable for content on the basis of whether or not
>> they exercise control (indeed quite the opposite).
>
>> In other jurisdictions matters are slightly less clear. However, in
>> the UK for example, the Godfrey vs. Demon case shows fairly clearly
>> that taking a hands-off approach to the content of one's servers is a
>> good way to run up a huge legal bill.
>
>In Cubby vs. Compuserve (libel against Cubby
Cubby vs. Compuserve is libel AGAINST Cubby?
> in a "forum" maintained by
>a Compuserve "forum owner", roughly analogous to a moderated group),
>a US state Supreme Court held that Compuserve executed due diligence
>(removing the message when requested by Cubby),
Was Cubby the poster
or "forum owner"?
> and hence was not liable.
>
>The implication of which is that if Compuserve failed to act when notified
>(as Demon failed to act), they may well have been found liable.
Coming out of the mouth of virtual terrorist of your grade,
it is not clear who is who and what is what.
It wouldn't be surprising at all,
to see the issues to be just opposite
from how you present them here.
>Common carrier-ish notions (even if ISPs are common carrier) do not
>protect the common carrier from liability for specific violations of the
>law that they _know_ about.
VIOLATIONS of the law.
And YOU are talking about what here?
YOU, doing tens of thousands of cancellations per day,
conducting campaigns of virtual terrorism,
controlling the speech in EVERY CONCEIVABLE
and MOST PERVERTED ways
as being what again?
Protected by the LAW?
VERY exciting.
Then why do you even bother to post here?
Just keep doing your thing.
Nothing to worry about.
Are you trying to delude the public
into believing it is LEGALLY impossible
to take care of virtual terrorists of your kind,
going as far, as terrorising even the legal
commercial entities, providers and carriers
wordwide with these virtual terrorism attacks,
you call UDP (Usenet Death Penalty),
by ANY chance?
> They don't have to monitor looking for
>illegal acts (that's what common-carrier means) and if they do monitor,
>"due-diligence" ("reasonable effort"[*]) is all that's necessary.
It depends on what you imply by due dilligence.
> Failure
>to act on a complaint is clearly a violation of due-diligence.
WHICH complaint?
If I complain to your provider or your uplink
about your virtual terrorism attacks on
a GLOBAL scale, conducted EVERY SINGLE DAY,
would it be interpreted as "failure to act"
if they ignore my complain?
Tell me.
> The courts
>don't expect perfection, just reasonable effort.
Who are you to make interpretations of how the
courts operate?
>[*] obligatory: who defines "reasonable effort"? The courts do.
nucleus
<no45...@nor45etun.net> wrote:
>
>"Chris Lewis" <cle...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in message
>news:9j1t6q$fic$1...@bcarh8ab.ca.nortel.com...
>> According to _Lilith_ <no45...@nor45etun.net>:
>> > They are no more a DoS attack than someone requesting one
>> > single message from each and every newsgroup, one time per day, since
>> > that would crash far more unstable and weak Usenet servers that a
HipCrime
>> > "flood" ever would.
>>
>> Um, no. That's not much different than a full outbound feed.
>> Some machines have dozens of full feeds.
>
>
>And some machines run Leaf-node like software in an
>effort to not have to carry a full feed. And such single requests
>force them to load the whole spool.
>
>>
>> You could request one article from every group on our servers, and nobody
>> would notice. One NNTP client pulls 65,000 articles. oh hum.
>
>
>Thanks for confessing, albeit obtusely, that a few hundred postings from
>HipCrime or anyone else,
And on but a few groups in news hierarchy,
which makes a LOT of difference.
Compared to basically undiscriminate MASSIVE
cancellations by the usenet mafia and virtual terrorists
of Chris Lewis, Andrew Gierth, David Ritz, Howard Knight
and few other perverts, pretending to be protecting
anybody's interests and agenda but their own.
> doesn't even come close to the massive
>level of traffic needed for Denial of Service to take place.
>
>>
>> > Requesting one message from every group on a newssever would cause
>> > the server to download/cache the entire daily usenet feed, which is more
>> > than 65,000 groups and 120 Gigabytes, per day! Now how many small/medium
>> > usenet servers would choke on that?
>>
>> News servers don't work that way. They can't return articles that aren't
>> already there. You're thinking of an NNTP proxy pointing at a NNTP
>> server with a full feed, with the proxy having extremely stupid storage
>> management algorithms.
>
>Sure aren't many of those out there ...
>> Hipcrime's attacks are DoS for other reasons - witness the users
complaining
>> about not being able to read the groups he hits at _all_ because there
>> are too many articles in the group for their newsreaders to cope with.
>
>Now how is that possible? There are newsreaders and connections that
>crash on 10 articles, doesn't mean the poster(s) committed a DoS attack.
>So do tell us what the numerical limit is, exactly, for non-commercial,
> non-ecp,
>differentiated postings from one poster to one group? Are you cooking up an
>new index?
First of all, even their existing BI (Bullshit Index),
is just that, a Bullshit Index,
created by these very virtual terrorists
and used as some kind of usenet law
to justify their horrendous virtual terrorism
attacks, conducted every single second of every
single minute of every single hour of every single
day of every single month of every single year.
> Perhaps you can attempt to grope some fame and call it the
>CL index.
They can cook up ANYTHING they want.
They think there is LITERALLLY no limit
to their "powers".
>> Or blowing up small machines that only take a few groups, and vastly
>> exceed their storage estimates.
>
>A few hundred posts, whether they come from HipCrime/NewsAgent or not,
>is not a Usenet DoS attack
How can be posting of an article considered to be
a DOS attack?
This is WAY beyond obscene.
If these very perverts can cancel those very articles
AUTOMATICALLY, that simply implies they can be filtered
out by the individual users.
Again, these posts appear on but a few groups
in news.* hierarchy.
Those groups are filled by the most experienced
censors and totalitarian dictator wannabes,
having ALL the knowledge necessary to filter
ANYTHING they want.
And yet, these pathological liars and fabricators
make it look like these articles affect the usenet
as a whole.
Yes, there is no limit whatsoever
to their lies, deceit, perversion
and totalitarian censorship.
These are self-promoting megalomaniacs,
suffocating the usenet and promoting
the fascist ideology of "superior" race
essentially, denying the RIGHT to speak
to ANYONE they please,
and, being the perverts they are,
pretending to be doing it all
for the "good" of others,
like those others
simply have no brain of their own
and can not figure out
what kind of speech they are interested in.
That is why these perverts are called
totalitarian and fascist dictators.
They pose their own dictates,
not voted on by the usenet as such,
as some kind of usenet law.
ALL lies and deceit.
> merely because some fool places an feeble, grossly
>undercapacity newsserver online, any more than your single visit to my
>potato power 76.8 KHz 20 microwatt server is a DoS attack since
>no one else can then connect.
Perversion knows no limit indeed.
>> --
>> Chris Lewis,
>
>You are part of the problem Lewis, not the solution.
>Understand that. Embrace it, and live it.
>
>
>The very powerful and the very stupid
>have one thing in common. Instead
>of altering their views to fit the facts,
>they alter the facts to fit their views
>.... which can be very uncomfortable
>if you happen to be one of the facts
>that needs altering.
> -- Doctor Who, Face of Evil
nucleus
(Steve Gombosi) wrote:
>In article <GgT47.1$6e7....@news.uswest.net>,
>_Lilith_ <no45...@nor45etun.net> wrote:
>
>>They weren't illegal, by any standard. They weren't even spam
>>per the accepted usenet/BI definitions.
>
>They were, however, invalid news messages (per the RFCs) since they
>did not contain the sender's valid email address in the "From:"
>or "Sender:" lines of the header. Therefore, they shouldn't
>have been propagated in the first place.
All lies and deceit.
> The fact that existing
>news software doesn't enforce this is immaterial.
>
>>> and unwanted posts.
>>
>>"Unwanted" is not any legal or moral justification to cancel
>>anything on usenet.
>
>They were invalid messages. They were propagated solely due to
>deficiencies in existing Usenet implementations.
All lies and deceit.
It is a PERFECTLY valid speech,
no matter how you pervert what.
Is there a LIMIT on the AMOUNT of speech
in the Constitution, Basic Human Right
conventions, or basic laws of ANY land?
>Cancelling them was a public service.
PURE lie and deceit.
I bet you have a vested interest in this issue.
>Steve
nucleus
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In article <p7257.1789$6e7.4...@news.uswest.net>, "_Lilith_"
<no45...@nor45etun.net> wrote:
>"Chris Lewis" <cle...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in message
>news:9j1r9d$ccj$1...@bcarh8ab.ca.nortel.com...
>> According to Ben Cantrick <mackys...@dim.com>:
>> > Unfortunatly my cancels will not work unless I forge the From: line.
>> > I would rather send cancels from my own address, to maximize
> accountability.
>> > But the news system is broken in this regard.
>>
>> Technical note: in order for a cancel to be effective, the "effective
sender"
>> of the cancel and the original article have to match.
>>
>> The "effective sender" is "Sender:" if present, "From:" otherwise.
>>
>> Thus, if you want to cancel an article that has a From: of "a@b", you can
put
>> your name in From:, and a@b into Sender: in the cancel.
>>
>> Similarly, if the article has "From: a@b" and "Sender: c@d", you can put
>> your name in From: and "c@d" into Sender, the "a@b" doesn't have to appear
>> at all.
>>
>> Most of the high volume spam cancellers do this ever since I initially
>> posted this comment back in, oh, '94 or '95.
>> --
>
>Ben is a newbie wannabe, and as such didn't realize that he needs
>to "forge" the control cancel as coming from the original poster for
>it to be effective.
>
>Now tell us how forgery, along with the illegal cancels, fits into your
>TOS at your ISP ..
These virtual terrorists have forged so much,
terrorised so many providers and commercial entities,
they probably are worth tens of years in jail.
By now, they managed to TOTALLY cancel
the ideas of democracy, free speech,
and Basic Human Rights on usenet
COMPLETELY and TOTALLY.
THEY are the ONLY "authorized" parties here
to tell others what to do
and to do ANYTHING THEY want
with ANY information on usenet.
PURE grade fascism and totalitarian censorship.
>We are waiting.
>--
>
>"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and
>hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins;
>all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken, 1923
nucleus
(Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to _Lilith_ <no45...@nor45etun.net>:
>> It doesn't fit any of the traditional, accepted
>> usenet definitions of "spam".
>
>> It isn't commercial in nature.
>
>"commercial" isn't in the traditional, accepted Usenet definition
>of "spam".
Accepted by WHOM?
YOU, virtual terrorists?
I do not accept ANY of it.
How many usenet users even realize you exist?
About 0.000001% ?
> Irrelevant.
Zig heil!
>> It isn't excessively crossposted.
>
>It is somewhat crossposted, which increases the BI.
The Bullshit Index,
invented by the totalitarian censors
and virtual terrorists of your kind,
to advance YOUR agenda
of virtual terrorism?
How exciting?
Did usenet users as a whole EVER VOTED on this?
Oh, you, totalitarian censors and dictators
agreed between yoruselves
and, "therefore", it somehow, magically
became valid?
Hahahahahahaha.
Oh master of delusion and deceit,
what will it take for you
to see the light of day?
>> It isn't the same message posted repetitively.
>
>Yes, actually it is.
Huh?
You must be a lunatic.
> The "accepted usenet definition of spam"
Screw your "accepted" definitions,
created by yourselves, virtual terrorists
and totalitarian dictators.
> includes
>the phrase "substantively identical".
Yes, the perverts of YOUR kind
invented this notion,
you use here to hide behind.
> Not byte-for-byte identical, but
>_substantively_ identical.
Are you a plain idiot,
or a PATHOLOGICAL case of a pervert?
>Random sentences generated by a bot is "substantively identical" to
>any other random sentences generated by a bot.
They are not RANDOM sentences
on the first place.
They represent a certain style
and present specific humorous ideas.
To me, your own fabrications
are so "substantially identical",
that I am surprized to even see my fingers
type the follow up.
But...
That is my choise.
Just to expose the fascists of your kind,
perverting all to be perverted,
drunk with megalomania and fascist ideology,
thinking they are in charge of democracy here.
Do you know, pervert, what democracy is?
Are YOU, pervert, to interpret and define
the scope and domain of free speech
or form of expression?
What are you credentials
beyond being one of the biggest virtual terrorists
in the whole world,
putting up the mask of a public servant
just to hide your red horns?
>> It doesn't meet or trigger the accepted BI for spam.
>
>It most certainly does.
nucleus
<no45...@nor45etun.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Ben Cantrick" <mackys...@dim.com> wrote in message
>news:9j1jl8$p...@flatland.dimensional.com...
>> [ free.hipcrime and n.a.n-a.m cut, as usual. -Ben ]>> >It is clearly a violation of Federal and many State computer hacking laws.
>>
>> No, actually, the legality is far from clear either way. As you might
>> know, if you read my response to Scott's post. It comes down to a matter
>> of authorization, and I've already had at least once explicit
authorization.
>
>And can I "explicitly authorize" you to enter Scott's home and destroy
>his personal writings?
>
>Didn't think so.
>
>
>>
>> >Although it was Ben "the nose" Cantrick who claimed to have tried
>> >to break the law, but stated some other censorious criminal beat him to
it.
>>
>> That's true, except the part about breaking the law, which is really
>> hard to call just now.
>
>You are hoping it's hard to call, it's rather clear to anyone with a modicum
>of legal education and experience. But if you want to keep blindly dancing
>near the edge, make sure you have a lawyer, a good $250/hr one,
>on retainer.
>> >And others have reminded him just as often that he, or anyone else,
>> >doesn't have any right to break the law(s) in your response to other's
> alleged
>> >criminal activity. (Certain certified law enforcement officers excepted)
>>
>> >Sigh< This is a tangent, but why, oh why are the police allowed
>> to break the law? Oh, right, they're "above" the law. Because they're
>> better than the rest of us.
>
>Close, it's because the ignorant and fearful "us" give and allow them the
>special status, so then can "protect" us from our most skaawy of fears ...
>ourselves.
>
>
>> Take an ordinary person and put him in
>> a police uniform and suddenly he becomes superman,
>
>, an Einstein, an Omni-expert, moral, honest, uncorruptable, inerrant, etc.
>
>> capable of doing
>> no wrong and suspending the law at his will. Feh.
>>
>> >> In the case of what just happened here, Ben inquired if
>> >> there were any objections to his nuking the illegal
>> >
>> >They weren't illegal, by any standard. They weren't even spam
>> >per the accepted usenet/BI definitions.
>>
>> Nope, you're wrong. At least according to n.a.n-a.u.
>
>Fuck nanu, they can't even follow their own unauthorized, arbitrary,
>illegal guidelines.
>
>
>> But of course, to
>> you those people there aren't the tireless news server admins
>
>Half the whiners in nanu aren't newsadmins, or admins of anything.
>Any wet-behind the ears, zitfaced, teenage psycho can post there, and
>often does.
Plenty of totalitarian dictator wannabes around indeed,
hoping to get "promoted" one day,
licking these fat totalitarian and fascist asses,
following those fabrications and dicates,
they call "rules" and "guidelines",
invented by this very usenet mafia,
terrorizing the whole world.
> And one of the main cancel fascists there, Chris Lewis,
>is a Canadian, living in a place that has no 1st amendment, no concept
>or acceptance of free speech. Why should some censor fascist Canadian
>be allowed to abuse and cancel postings authored by others?
>
>Hell, in Canada, the _truth_ is *not* a legal defense to an accusation of
>libel/slander. Go figure.
Wow.
Interesting indeed.
>> who keep
>> Usenet running.
Usenet does not need ANYONE to keep running.
ALL you need is to keep your own server running,
just like you keep your own computer running.
Otherwise, it is ALL FULLY automatic.
The posters "keep the usenet" running.
Just look at alt.* hierarchy.
There is no one there, who keeps it running,
you fool.
>Your naivete is showing. N.a.n.u isn't some members only organization
>representing even a tiny fraction of Usenet or other admins,
Out of hundreds of thousands of news admins worldwide,
there is but a few, most blatant fascists and totalitarian
dictators, who are sitting here, wasting all their time,
just to terrorize the whole world,
while being paid to do their REAL job,
to keep their computers running.
They simply suck the resources.
Not even sure they have enough time to do their main job.
It is pretty much a full time occupation here.
They invented such a massive amount of deceit
and disinformation, that you can call it a system,
a GIANT system of deceit, perversion and virtual
terrorism, all in the name of protecting others
from "evil", being the evillest of ALL evil they are.
Disgrace,
and not only to usenet,
but to a democracy as such
and a human race
as a whole.
It is simply mind boggling
to see these fascists and totalitarian dictators
destroying the usenet in the MOST profound ways,
EVERY SINGLE day,
and, at the same time,
sitting here, dedicating ALL their energy
on perverting this most harmless activity
of posting to these few news.* hierarchy groups,
just to show those very fascists
and the whole world
who they really are.
A PERFECTLY valid speech.
In fact, these posts they are destroying
all the time, exposed their true nature,
the MONSTERS with horns,
pretending to look like they are some kind of angels,
interested in ANYBODY's interests and agenda
but their own.
The usenet users as a whole,
NEVER authorized ANY of these fascists
to do this censorship.
There has NEVER been a vote on this.
They have NEVER been authorized
by ANY lawful authority
to "protect" ANYTHING or ANYONE here.
It is all done to advance their own agenda
and for the purpose of self-promotion,
capitalizing on this issue of "spam",
hoping to make a buck one day.
ALL perverts, lying their teeth off,
deceiving everyone to the point of obscene.
> any more than
>the people the post to boulder.general control and keep Boulder running.
>What a laugh.
>
>> Nope, they're the cancel cabal.
>
>Yes they are, and a malicious one at that, as anyone who every
>followed their exploits since 1994 would know.
>
>> And they're obviously
>> bent on total global domination - not merely something as mundane as
>> making sure their news servers aren't DOS'd
>
>There you go again tossing legal terms about that you only vaguely
understand.
>Who's newsserver was placed offline/crashed by a few hundred text postings,
>when the daily spool/cache is over 120 Gigs for a full news feed?
>
>> into oblivion by some
>> FBI fugutive
>
>Sure, repeat it enough and it might come true.
>Does the FBI have a "file" on you yet, Ben?
>Would you like them to?
>
>> whose mission in life seems to be to make their lives
>> annoying for no reason other than he can.
>
>Or perhaps a reason to subtle and esoteric for your
>nascent little mind to comprehend.
>
>
>>
>> >> and unwanted posts.
>> >
>> >"Unwanted" is not any legal or moral justification to cancel
>> >anything on usenet.
>>
>> True.
>
>
>Opps, that admission will get you tossed out of the cabal's inner chamber.
>
>>
>> >> I would not call his action "entirely without legal authority and at
great
>> >> risk".
>> >
>> >Because you are ignorant and biased to the legal reality of the situation.
>>
>> "Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle." "Gee, you're awful black!"
>
>Doesn't make either less black, now does it?
>
>
>>
>> >>- Not a single company or individual objected to
>> >> nuking the crap;
>> >
>> >Irrelevant, Usenet isn't run by a tyranny of the majority, or more apropos
>> >a tyranny of meowing fascist censor cabalists.
>>
>> Au contraire, mon ami. Usenet IS ruled exclusively by the news server
>> admins
>
>Nope, there is no legal authorization to cancel or destroy a copyright
holders
>works, and by becoming a usenet isp, that obligation is implicit.
>
>> whose disk space, CPU time, memory space, and network bandwidth
>> it exists on. Your (and Hipcrime's) attempts to convince people otherwise
>> nonwithstanding, those people ARE Usenet,
>
>Nice try, but wrong again. Usenet is entirely the posters/authors/copyright
> holders
>like Weisser, HipCrime, OpenFleshWound, and all the millions of others
>who create the "content" that makes usenet what it is.
>
>
>> and the machine and disks belong
>> to them, and their word is law.
>
>Nope, never was and never will be. Any more than the phone company can
>randomly and arbitrarily cancel and interfere with your telephone
> communications,
>after all, they "own" the lines, copper, switches and networks that transport
> your
>call, so they can cancel them at will, can't they?
>
>> Call 'em a cancel cabal if you want,
>
>Everyone does, as that is what they are. Even some
>of the more candid fascists there confess as much.
>
>
>> though
>> I think most of them are way too busy keeping the news servers running to
>> worry about petty pests like Hipcrime or j00, or to issue cancels.
>
>Thanks for confessing and conceding the illegality of your/their actions,
>and the exaggeration of the impact of a few hundred posts to a 120 Gig
>spool. You and they are illegal cancellers, and all the lies and hype about
>phony BI indexes, and "DoS attacks" and other Lions and Tigers and Bears,
>Oh My! do nothing to persuade the objective legal observers that your actions
>are any less criminal, immoral and unethical.
>
>
>
>>
>> >>it's ludicrous to believe they'd complain later.
>> >
>> >The only thing ludicrous is you inane and off point attempt to
>> >justify an immoral, and illegal, censorship of someone
>> >else's post.
>>
>> Way to totally not address his point. Will you please go find me *one*
>> news admin that objects to spam cleanup?
>
>Define "spam", then I'll find you 100's ... starting with the ones
>that deliberately offer unfiltered full newsfeeds, and don't honor cancel
>requests from anyone.
>
>
>> Better yet, can you go find one news admin who want Hipcrime's
content-free
>> spew on his news server?
>
>So you are targeting the person(s)/posters themselves for canceling?
>
>> >> Ben covered
>> >> the bases; he made the right call- he's at no risk whatsoever.
>> >
>> >Complete bullshit, for an ignoramus. Suppose you will defend him
>> >in court when he gets charged?
>>
>> I'm perfectly happy to take this to a courtroom. What a riot! Wanna
>> come and be the first witness for the prosecution?
>
>Sure. Challenge the Feds/State to bring charges against you, claiming
>that the law doesn't apply to you and you will continue to 3rd party cancel
>other people's copyright works, go ahead spunky, write them the letter
>offering to be the challenge case, and see just how many people do
>come out of the woodwork to condemn you censorious, illegal actions.
>
>
>> >> > He could be sued and/or arrested and criminally charged for
>> >> >cancelling other people's messages on other people's computer systems
>> >> >under federal and state laws.
>> >>
>> >> If any individual's *ever* been convicted under any computer crime law
for
>> >> nuking a spammer's posts,
>> >
>> >They will one day, just a matter of time.
>>
>> Why wait? Come on man, I'm *inviting you* you to take me to court here!
>
>The ball's in your court, though your scofflaw attitude is hereby note for
>any future prosecution that may occur.
>
>> What's the problem? Got cold feet all of a sudden? Maybe you're... afraid?
>> Maybe too lazy to stand up for your principles if it involves getting up
>> from behind the anonymous comfort of that cozy keyboard? Maybe you're...
>> chicken? Regular or extra crispy, Lilith? Which one are you?
>
>Your true cowardly personality shows through, you just thought you be one
>of the "kewl" internet dudes, and show off your "impressive" computer skills
>by configuring a control/cancel message. My my, bet Maraya and Melissa
>are sooo impressed with you.
>
>
>>
>> >Then if one can cancel, all can cancel, and it will become cancel
>> >anarchy.
>>
>> You're not listening, grasshopper - THAT IS ALREDY THE STATE OF USENET.
>
>So why do you add to the noise level. Stop canceling, and those protesting
>the cancels will stop. Ipso facto.
>
>
>> Jeezus. Read n.a.n-a.u for a couple of days.
>
>Been reading it since 1994, newbie.
>
>> There are cancelbunnies
>> all over the place!
>
>And for every illegal cancel-bot there is a Resurrector-bot.
>Then there is HipCrime's NewsAgent. Why is one
>cancel-bot more valid than another?
>
>>They're constantly popping up, and constantly being
>> squashed. Just because you're too ignorant of the inner workings of Usenet
>> to notice it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The things behind your head
>> do not vanish just because you can't see them.
>
>Sure, you're a regular Paul Vixie aren't you?
>
>
>>
>> >> Put it into perspective as I stated in an earlier post- no one in the
real
>> >> world cares about this USENET posting-cancellation nonsense-
>> >
>> >Mitnick thought the same about his internet exploits.
>>
>> And he was wrong. And he got hauled into court, and throw in jail.
>> Admittedly, for WAY too long. And the parole terms were absolutely unjust.
>
>The same one's you face when the Feds decide to make an "example" out of
>you ... yeeeeeee haaaaaaa!
>
>
>>
>> Point is, if you're so sure I'm breaking the law, what are you waiting
>> for? Be the big hero - drag me into court. Or are you not a sufficent
>> Tsutomu Shinomura to my Mitnick?
>
>You arrogance is rising to that of Mitnick, keep it up, it endears
>you well to those you eventually decide to pursue you.
>So keep canceling, since you claim it isn't illegal, you have
>nothing to fear, or are you not convinced of the legality of your
>position?
>
>> Oh wait, I forgot - you're either regular or extra crispy and can't
>> summon up the guts to do it.
>>
>> >> --no one. It's just a little world for people to play ego games on their
>> >> computers. If it's more than that, then you need to get your head
> examined.
>> >
>> >So the cancel cabal is just a bunch of meaningless whining meowers, as
>> >many thought?
>>
>> Meow, meow, Henrietta Pussycat meow. ;]
>
>Hey Ben, follow you own mantra, keep your nose out of other people's
>business.
>
>Any questions?
>
>
>>
>> -Ben
>> --
>> Ben Cantrick (mac...@dim.com) | Yes, the AnimEigo BGC dubs still
> suck.
>> BGC Nukem: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/bgcnukem.html
>> The Spamdogs: http://www.dim.com/~mackys/spamdogs
>> Illegitimi non carborundum. ("Don't let the bastards grind you down.")
>
>
nucleus
>> news:9j1jl8$p...@flatland.dimensional.com...
>> > [ free.hipcrime and n.a.n-a.m cut, as usual. -Ben ]
>
>> > In article <GgT47.1$6e7....@news.uswest.net>,
>> > _Lilith_ <no45...@nor45etun.net> wrote:
>> > >It is clearly a violation of Federal and many State computer hacking
laws.
>
>> > No, actually, the legality is far from clear either way. As you might
>> > know, if you read my response to Scott's post. It comes down to a matter
>> > of authorization, and I've already had at least once explicit
> authorization.
>
>> And can I "explicitly authorize" you to enter Scott's home and destroy
>> his personal writings?
>
>
>Scott can explicitly authorize Ben to enter Scott's home
>and destroy Scott's copies of _your_ writings.
Indeed.
Being the pervert you are,
you will fabricate the delusion of this
obscene grade.
Now, you, fascist and virtual terrorist,
destroying what again?
Well, you are destroying EVERY COPY
of the articles.
Oh, the argument of "if they allow cancels,
then I can cancel"?
Lie and deceit.
They allow cancels to allow the AUTHORS
to cancel their own posts.
Not to the virtual terrorists of your kind.
Btw, how many people did you, usenet mafia,
netcopped for doing EXACTLY what YOU are doing,
you fascist perverts and fabricators of deceit?
nucleus
>>>>>> "Lilith" == Lilith <no45...@nor45etun.net> writes:
>
> >> in the UK for example, the Godfrey vs. Demon case shows fairly
> >> clearly that taking a hands-off approach to the content of one's
> >> servers is a good way to run up a huge legal bill.
>
>
>Then you completely missed the point.
>
> >> If you're prepared to invest serious time and effort into
> >> filtering, you probably get the best overall quality of service by
> >> disabling cancels (or at least filtering them very heavily) and
> >> working on filtering inbound spam, floods etc.
>
> Lilith> evolution.
>
>not at all - that was starting to be true long before HipCrime started
>paying any attention to Usenet.
>
>The point is that that level of filtering takes a lot of work, and
>very few ISPs are prepared to put any work at all into running their
>news server.
Uhu.
Therefore, the virtual terrorist of YOUR kind,
AUTOMATICALLY become authorized
to cancell the articles on behalf of others?
How many articles of mine did you, fascists,
cancelled?
Do you need evidence?
> >> If you disable cancels and _don't_ do filtering, then the result
> >> is going to look like a sewer.
>
> Lilith> Sure, and free* is so terrible, isn't it?
>
>I don't carry it at all on my own server, and on the other servers I
>work with it gets the same filtering as every other hierarchy (and
>there seems to be no shortage of spam there)
>
> Lilith> The copyright holder retains all right and interest in the
> Lilith> created post.
>
> >> To the extent that they own the rights on what is said (to the
> >> extent that it constitutes an original work of authorship) that is
> >> true - but that gives no rights of ownership over the medium on
> >> which the post is stored, and neither does it automatically give
> >> the right to revoke permission to distribute once that permission
> >> has been granted.
>
> Lilith> Really? And can the telco cancel/interfere with your phone
> Lilith> calls because they own the medium/network over which your
> Lilith> calls travel?
>
>telcos are subject to extensive statutory and regulatory requirements
>that don't generally apply to ISPs. (even where the ISP _is_ a telco)
Oh, you also happen to be a competent attorney
with a license?
How exciting.
>A better analogy is that if you post a notice on a noticeboard owned
>by someone else, they get to remove the notice without needing your
>permission to do so.
Once you finally get to see the real judge
and the verdict is made,
then come and tell everybody what was the legal interpretation
by DULLY authorized parties.
At this junction, and with the credits you got,
you, virtual terrorist and a totalitarian censor
are but making the hissing sounds.
You see, pervert, you have cancelled my own
articles. I can prove that much.
You also cancelled millions of other perfectly
valid articles worldwide, just because they
were coming from the public servers.
Now, being the virtual terrorist
and totalitarian censor you are,
to call yourself a PUBLIC servant,
is WAY beyond obscene.
You are a PATHOLOGICAL case of a liar
and fabricator of deceit.
That much is certain.
And you are also arrogant,
power hungry megalomaniac,
blood boiling idiot
and one of the most despicable fascists
there are around.
And you know no limit.
But...
You will get what you deserve indeed.
That much is certain.
nucleus
<icae...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>To: hostm...@oleane.net ab...@cablewanadoo.com ab...@rain.fr
> ab...@francetelecom.net
>CC: ab...@opentransit.net newsm...@icq.com nana...@cybernothing.org
>
>This email is being posted publicly in news.admin.net-abuse.sightings.
>
>Wanadoo.fr:
[...]
>When will you finally configure your
> system the way most other news-servers on the Internet are configured to
> prevent large numbers of articles from being posted within a short time from
a
> single connection?
Who da funk do you think you are?
A totalitarian dicator of usenet?
When are you going to learn to mind your own
sucking enterprises unlimited?
>Rain.fr:
> You are shown in the traceroute below as being immediately upstream
> from Wanadoo.
>Please instruct Wanadoo to configure their system in a
> responsible manner to prevent newsgroup abuse such as this.
Zig heil!
>Francetelecom: You are immediately upstream of Rain. Please instruct your
> downstreams to behave in a responsible manner. There have been far too many
> of these Usenet floods,
>& it needs to be stopped once & for all.
Zig heil!
Why don't you just commit suicide?
Why suffer unnecessarily?
Do you have a certificate to prove
that you are the totalitarian dicator of usenet?
>Opentransit: You are immediately upstream of Francetelecom.
>Please consider
> blocking any further communications from Wanadoo if they cannot behave in a
> responsible manner.
Wow!
Are you a pathological case of a megalomaniac?
Zig heil!
RESPONSIBLE manner?
Which one is it?
According to YOUR dictates?
>Newsm...@icq.com: You are shown in the header on the X-Complaints-To line.
> I don't know if you have anything to do with the system through which these
> articles were posted, but if you do, please find a way to block these
> forgery-floods.
What are you fabricating here, pervert?
Did YOU write a book of usenet law
by ANY chance?
Have you been elected by usenet to represent the interests
of usenet users at large?
Are you simply sick with megalomania,
Mr. totalitarian censor?
>Thanks,
>Rob
Who da funk this rob thing is?
nucleus
There are several organizations operating on usenet,
posing as some kind of public servants,
doing their work for "free",
protecting all from "evil",
even though they themselves
are about the evillest of all evil on usenet
and beyond.
Cabal is a paramilitary organization,
conducting the clandestine operations of virtual terrorism
and sabotage of global information streams, using techniques
of black mail, lies, deception, perversion and fabrications.
========================== quote begin ==========================
>>They reserve the "right" to do ANYTHING THEY please.
>>The very fact that they have a notion of TINC (There Is No
>>Cabal) simply PROVES that there Is Cabal.
>If there was no Cabal, then people would imagine that it exists
>(using your own philosophy of being unable to prove non-existence),
>so we may as well act like there is a Cabal.
>But the Cabal is usually exaggerated so far beyond
>realism that it's net.comedy, however someone always takes
>the jokes as the Truth.
What kind of a lie and deceit is this?
>>Followin web page belongs to them:
>>Clicking on the picture takes you to:
>>http://www.cabal.net/index2.html
>>--Cabal Network Security--
>>Interesting issue is the very fact they use the word securtity,
>>which is enough reason to believe they operate in cooperation
>>with intelligence, military and government agencies.
>This is beyond weird, if it were this secret organization, would they be
>advertising their existence? Or posting frothing silliness from their secret
>work addresses?
Hahahahahaha.
Are you a plain "clueless"?
How about these:
Look at that symbol of the USSR with a scull inside it.
Don't forget to look at the running "Surrender Stupid"
at the bottom of the page.
This is their "mission" as outlined on http://www.lart.com/
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
"To Serve And Reject"
EQUALIZER TO THE MASSES
Yes, now too with YOUR WILL user unfriendliness shall cease to exist!!!
DON'T TREAD ON THEE
"...it is the responsibility of anyone with a modem and a dialup
account...promptly to SPANK,
manhandle and humiliate they who do, write, drool and encourage things
ill on the Internet."
..if you can't take a joke, we'll make your butt smoke!
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
>>>Organization: TINC -- LLTC
SPUTUM:
http://www.sputum.com/suitsite/antispam.html
http://www.sputum.com/suitsite/sputfaq.html
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
Q: Tactical: Does this mean that S.P.U.T.U.M.
doesn't plan and think strategically or operationally?
A: Dream on, Pinkboy. A select few of our colleagues have
read our formerly classified Treatise:
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
Let us look at that "treatise":
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
The S.P.U.T.U.M. Net.War Operational Taskforce Working
Advisory Document.
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad0.htm
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad2.htm
Net.War Planning: The End is the Beginning
In order to assess how to conduct war against an opponent, one must
first firmly visualize the peace you want after the din of fighting
has ceased. Our goal in all conflicts is always to win, and win BIG.
However, our definition of WINNING BIG will determine, not only our
behavior during periods of relatively minor conflict (a.k.a. peace),
but our responses to perceived hostile intentions by our adversaries
(pre-hostilities behavior), our strategy and tactics during actual
conflict, and our approach to conflict resolution at the termination
of active altercation. In other words, the end state must be placed
at the beginning of one's plans, else all efforts during the
pre-hostilities, hostilities, and war termination phases will be as
disjointed as the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz-- who, of course,
sorely lacked a brain.
What sort of peace do we envision at the end of a net.war? In general,
we all want at least the status quo ante-- the situation before the
spammer/hacker/mailbomber affected our net.lives. But is that all we
want?
Depending on the nature and extent of damage inflicted by our
opponent's offensive incursion into our lives, we may wish to
see him or her:
* publicly identified, up to and including home phone number and
favorite sex toy
* humiliated, especially when done publicly so as
to serve as an example (deterrent) to others
* kicked off of his or her internet access
* drawn, quartered, hanged, sliced, diced and julienne fried.
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
Preface: W*r is Not a Four Letter Word
by
Unit 0 (Control), Atu 0 (The Fool), Directress, SubGenius Police,
Usenet Tactical Unit (Mobile)
Official FAQ Promulgator, alt.binaries.slack
Defender of the Faithless in these Latter Daze of the CONdom.
"Without preparedness superiority is not real superiority, and there
can be no initiative either.
Having grasped this point, a force which is inferior but prepared can
often defeat a superior enemy by surprise attack."
-- Mao Tse-Tung, "On Protracted War", (May, 1938), Selected Works,
Vol. II, pp 165-166.
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad4.htm
Operational Net.War Analysis: Center of Gravity Analysis
"Therefore once more: War is an instrument of policy; it must
necessarily bear its character, it must measure with its scale:
the conduct of war, in its great features, is therefore policy
itself, which takes up the sword instead of the pen, but does
not on that account cease to think according to its own laws."
--Carl von Clausewitz, Vom Kriege: On War, Book 5, Chapter VI
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad5.htm
Tactical COA Analysis: Course of Action Analysis for the
year 3000
"Now the crux of military operations lies in the pretense of
accommodating one's self to the designs of the enemy."
--Sun Tzu, Art of War, XI: 56
[...]
Military:
There are seven archetypal missions that may be assigned to military
forces:
* Presence: 3-space-- Stationing troops overseas/ Net.War--
making manifest oneself as anti-Spammer to Usenet, Web
* Show of Force: 3-space-- Rapid deployment of forces somewhere
OTHER than FEBA (forward edge of battle area) [e.g., former
yearly REFORGER operations to demonstrate U.S. capability to
deploy and sustain reinforcements to NATO theater of
operations]/Net.War-- spam cancellation campaign, spam customer
education campaign (e.g., http://www.cauce.org).
* Demonstration: 3-space-- China launching missiles very near
Taiwan with intent to threaten/Net.War--taking down a rogue
NNTP server to show that it can be done, S.P.(U.T.U.)M.
Distributed Enlow Parody Site
* Special Ops (including PsyOps, Unconventional Warfare, Civil
Affairs, Maskirovka, Active Counter-Intel)--3-space-- Seal Team
infiltration into hostage situation / Net.War-- infiltration of our
S.P.(U.T.U.)M. operative into Enlow's organization in the spring of
1997
*Quarantine: 3-space-- Arms embargo in Bosnia, Oil export embargo
in Iraqi theater of operations/Net.War-- killfile campaign against
spammer
* Blockade: 3-space-- British blockade of Germany in WWII/Net.War
-- Shunning of AGIS/UDP/retroadministration of rogue domain traffic
* Forced Entry: 3-space-- Air war (Desert Storm, part 1), Marine
amphibious assault (Iwo Jima), infantry invasion (Operation Overlord,
6 June 1944)/Net.War-- actual hacking of enemy websites/mailbombing/server
takedown for the purposes of D.O.S., physical destruction of spamming
equipment [none of these latter examples is recommended, let alone legal].
* Economic: 3-space-- freezing assets, MFN status, withholding of NGO
(non-governmental organization) support via military ops/Net.War--
organizing customer boycott of rogue ISP/Spammer business, lawsuits
to tie up spammer assets
* Information: 3-space-- reconnaissance/recon by
fire/intel/counter-intel/counter-counter-intel/disinformation
campaigns/Net.War-- extreme awareness of OPSEC (operations security)
-- minimizing signature open to traffic analysis, minimizing tell-tale
connections between 3-space life and net.life (don't advertise on
rec.hiking that you are going on vacation next week if you are a
major anti-Spammer);
* COMSEC (communications security)-- frequent, nay, constant use
of secure comm channels, strong encryption, and counter-intel
measures (active and passive); and INFOSEC (information security)
--redundant, secure backups of useful IRC logs, Usenet threads
[DejaNews headers do NOT include paths], e-mail traffic; avoidance
of keeping sensitive infowar files at work where employer can find
them; avoidance of keeping unencrypted text file on computer with
names of associates [bugs in browsers can allow files on your
computer to be read remotely]).
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
Credits:
The members of the S.P.(U.T.U.)M. Net.War Operational Taskforce;
also, Units 0, IV, V, VII, VIII, XV, XIX, XXI, XXVIII, XXXI, LII,
LV, LXI, LXIV, LXXX, LXXXVII, and XCI for their
commentary/critique/logistical support (great pizza, LXXX!);
the National Military Colleges and Institutions of Higher Military
Education of Britain, Germany, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Brazil,
Israel, Russia, and the United States, for their professional
reviews of the art of War.
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad9.htm
CASE ANALYSIS: Mike Enlow and S.P.(U.T.U.)M.'s Operation
"Cry Havoc"
[S.N.O.T. analysis classified; left as exercise]
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwada.htm
CASE ANALYSIS: The "Literary Bomber" and the Joint
S.P.(U.T.U.)M./Cabal (TINC) Response
[C/TINC analysis classified; left as exercise]
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
Also review http://www.subgenius.com/ and their catalog.
See if you can find connections.
nucleus
wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:41:08 GMT, lar...@iname.com (LMNilsson) wrote, in
>alt.slack.sputum:
>
>}Son Of Sam caused - Bloxy's...@hotmail.com (Bloxy's) - to utter:
>}
>})>http://www.subgenius.com/index.html
[...]
>We control the horizontal.
>We control the vertical.
>We control the alt delete.
>cha cha cha.
Yup, control, domination and oppression indeed.
I like these:
>>>Organization: TINC -- LLTC
SPUTUM:
http://www.sputum.com/suitsite/antispam.html
http://www.sputum.com/suitsite/sputfaq.html
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
Q: Tactical: Does this mean that S.P.U.T.U.M.
doesn't plan and think strategically or operationally?
A: Dream on, Pinkboy. A select few of our colleagues have
read our formerly classified Treatise:
The S.P.U.T.U.M. Net.War Operational Taskforce Working
Advisory Document.
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad0.htm
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad2.htm
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad5.htm
Military:
There are seven archetypal missions that may be assigned to military
forces:
* Presence: 3-space-- Stationing troops overseas/ Net.War--
making manifest oneself as anti-Spammer to Usenet, Web
[...]
* Forced Entry: 3-space-- Air war (Desert Storm, part 1), Marine
amphibious assault (Iwo Jima), infantry invasion (Operation Overlord,
6 June 1944)/Net.War-- actual hacking of enemy websites/mailbombing/server
takedown for the purposes of D.O.S., physical destruction of spamming
equipment [none of these latter examples is recommended, let alone legal].
[...]
nucleus
<ber...@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>Patricia A. Shaffer <ra...@swva.net> writes:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:23:23 -0400, robert cikovic
>><c5050...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>In article <995388089.217100@jimsun>, 2...@cluestick.org says...
>>>> In article <rtg8lt8h9oo9d5trs...@4ax.com>,
>>>> [snip]
>>>> Heh. If this was the Dip itself, I must once again express vast
>>>> quantities of amusement at the irony. You see: that post to which
>>>> you followed-up, Patricia, didn't appear here.
>>>>
>>>> Dippy *still* hasn't figured-out the *real* consequences of its
>>>> actions. <shakes head> Truly amazing. *Must* be a spammer. Not
>>>> much else in this world quite so dim.
>
>>>it gives me more reason to beleive that "dip" is a "spanked" spammer that
>>>was responsible for all of this flooding. look at the similarities.
>>>1. joe jobs.
>>>2. nntp server rapes
>>>3. forged headers & "from" addresses.
>>>4. attack aimed specifically against n.a.n.a.e
>>>5. use of ratware for power-posting these by the thousands.
>>>6. the stupidity for doing this crap in the first place.
>
>>>anyone here got a major spammer kicked off his isp recently?
>
>I get at least one confirmed "kill" per week.
KILL?
Are you a killer?
A "public servant" aka KILLER?
VERY impressive indeed.
Who do you represent here?
Who elected you to kill here?
Are you a public servant?
Trying to get rid of all "evil",
you yourself invented and defined?
Or you are just another sick megalomaniac
and pevert with the mask of a public servant
to hide the faces of a blood boiling murderer?
>But then. I do "something" about every spam received instead of just
>archiving (anybody want a 50 megabyte spam archive?).
>
>>LOL! Now, *that's* a silly question to ask in nanae!
>
>>Besides all of the spammers with recently flattened nads crawling about,
>>just think of the trollish folk we've mangled lately ... <eg>
>--
> /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
> \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! |
> X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature|
> / \ and postings | to help me spread! |
nucleus
>On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:31:50 GMT, nuc...@invalid.you.are (nucleus)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <dlu8lt8r38d33g02l...@4ax.com>, ra...@swva.net
wrote:
>>>On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:23:23 -0400, robert cikovic
>>><c5050...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <995388089.217100@jimsun>, 2...@cluestick.org says...
>>>>> In article <rtg8lt8h9oo9d5trs...@4ax.com>,
>>>>> [snip]
[...]
>>>>anyone here got a major spammer kicked off his isp recently?
>>>LOL! Now, *that's* a silly question to ask in nanae!
Yup, the "professional" virtual terrorists
and can not netcop?
That is below the belt indeed.
>>>Besides all of the spammers with recently flattened nads crawling about,
Are you sick?
>>>just think of the trollish folk we've mangled lately
>>Who is "we"?
>TINW
Huh?
Yes there is.
YOU are one of them.
>>You've got a conspiracy going here,
>>while, at the same time, putting up a mask
>>of a public servant, doing all this to
>>protect ANYBODY but your own interests
>>and agenda?
>TINC at least on *our* (TINO) part. However, proposed agenda revisions
>must be sent through proper channels, in quadruplicate.
No problemos unos grandes.
Which hole do you like to suck?
>>Hahahahahahaha.
>The hyena speaks ... good boy, here's a biscuit ... now go lay down.
Huh?
Sure...
But only after stuffing a chainsaw
up your sorry output hole.
You like?
>Patricia
>ra...@swva.net
>Proud Citizen of the Commonwealth of Virginia
Yes, pride is a part of it.
All bio-robots,
brainwashed into oblivion
with the ideas of nationalism,
which is the root of fascism,
are proud indeed.
>"Anti-spammers are the immune system of the Internet." CDR M. Dobson
Hahahahahahahaha.
What a bunch of cunning perverts
and assorted megalomaniacs,
putting up a mask of a public servant
to disguice their evil face
with red horns,
engaging in shameless self-promotion
to justify their blood thirsty nature.
>"The issue is consent, not content." Crosscut
The issue is deception,
censorship,
totalitarianism and fascism,
pervert.
>Help Outlaw spam! <http://www.cauce.org> - <http://www.spamfree.org/>
What is this spam signature,
advertizing your virtual terrorism
enterprises unlimited?
Hey, I as a CEO of usenet,
authorize anybody
to nuke this sucking thing off the wire
and cancel any and all posts
by this parasitic thing,
perverting the very nature of usenet,
this poisonous snake,
who does not give a flying dead chicken
about those very public interests,
it claims to protect here
with the tools of virtual terrorism.
This is but another specimen
of a usenet mafia.
You suck full time?
Or doing overtime now?
nucleus
Quote:
"There are only a few gods with actual fit-permissions.
The rest just send e-mail."
-- Kate Wrightson
[...]
"The number of sysadmins who will decline to carry the group
if properly voted on and newgrouped by Tale is precisely zero.
Well, maybe 1, but Barry's always been a little strange."
[...]
The Draft Revised Guidelines were written afresh by Russ Allbery.
Since he is also the day-to-day moderator of
news.announce.newgroups these days,
while they do not have the ultimate authority
of tale's decisions, they are usually
more reliable for current information.
[...]
"The name of the newsgroup would be rec.kibo.hunting."
-- Joel K. Furr
[...]
tale PGP-signs all his control messages
to distinguish them from forgeries in his name.
INN patches that will automate PGP
verification and instructions for installing them are available here:
[Thus the entire system of totalitarian dictatorship
is FULLY automated]
End of quote.
From http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/
Quote by David Lawrence aka tale:
These are guidelines that have been generally agreed upon
across Usenet
[TOTAL lie and deception. They have NEVER been
"agreed upon", especially ACROSS the usenet]
as appropriate for following in the creating of new newsgroups
in the "standard" Usenet newsgroup hierarchy.
[...]
Any group creation request which follows these guidelines
to a successful result
[What is "successful result"?]
should be honored,
[By the fuehrer of big-8, David Lawrence.
Zig heil!
]
and any request which fails to
follow these procedures
[Not procedures, but DICTATES, pervert]
or to obtain a successful result
[Is this man insane? What is "obtain a successful result"?]
from doing so should be dropped
[SHOULD, mind you!
Zig heil!]
[...]
It should be pointed out here that, as always,
the decision whether or not to create a newsgroup
on a given machine rests with the administrator of
that machine.
[And since all "properly configured servers"
are those, that AUTOMATICALLY support this
system of totalitarian dictatorship and
information terrorism, then...
]
These guidelines are intended merely as
an aid in making those decisions.
[And those news admins, who do not submit to these dicates,
will regret indeed.]
[...]
group-...@acpub.duke.edu is a body of volunteers
experienced with the newsgroup creation process.
[The clique of trained dogs
to brainwash the "clueless"
on how to lick tale's ass?]
They assist people who want to
propose new groups
[ASSIST?]
with the formation and submission of a good proposal.
["Good" proposal is the one,
created in acordance with dictates
by David Lawrence, the fuehrer,
and Russ Allbery, the godfather of brainwashing.]
It is strongly encouraged, though not required,
that they be contacted with an outline of the basic
idea for a proposal,
and a mentor will work with the proponents
[A MENTOR? In the procedure of proper brainwashing?
What is so special about this whole farse?
The usenet works FULLY AUTOMATICALLY
as evidenced by alt.* hierarchy.
What is this big-8 scam
and who invented it?
The military?
ISC (Internet Software Consortium),
tale is associated with,
is sponsored by what organizations?
Well, by DISA, Defense Information Systems Agency
in part.
Interesting, ain't it?
]
to submit a formal proposal.
[Nope, to submit to YOUR will]
[...]
The article should be cross-posted among the newsgroups,
including news.announce.newgroups,
rather than posted as separate articles.
[Indeed. Because that is about the only way
to make sure herr fuehrer can totally anihilate
that "proposal". Since news.announce.newgroups
is "moderated" by this very totalitarian clique,
any article, CROSS-posted to that trap,
will not even appear in any other non "moderated"
group if these totalitarian censors decide
to censor it out of existence.
So, no trace is left of that "proposal".
Nice and cunning, ain't it?
These fascists are MASTERS of manipulation
and deceit indeed.]
Note that standard behaviour for posting software
is to not present the articles in any groups when
cross-posted to a moderated group;
the moderator will handle that for you.
[Nice, huh. Looks like a service to the poster.
Well, but if that "owner" of a "moderated" group
does not like your article, for any reason
WHATSOEVER, then, that article just dissapears
in the black hole of totalitarianism.
Impressive arrangement, ain't it?
Masters of deceit at work.]
[...]
At the completion of the voting period,
the vote taker must post
[Mind you, MUST post]
the vote tally and the E-mail addresses
[Thus making the email address available
to the whole world of spammers.
Welcome to the lands of obscene.
So, is spam "good" or is it "bad"?
]
and (if available) names of the voters received
[Here goes your contitution
and the issue of privacy,
down the drain.]
to news.announce.newgroups and any other groups
or mailing lists to which the original call for votes was
posted.
[Posted or CROSS-posted?
How come the "proposal" MUST have been
CROSS-posted, but "vote" results
are not required to be cross-posted?
Isn't THAT special?
]
[...]
AFTER the waiting period,
[...]
a newgroup control message may be sent out.
[Anybody noticed anything?
Well, look again.
MAY be sent out.
Nice, huh?
May or may not.
It all depends.
Tale's "discression" overrules
even the principles of a democratic vote.
Thus this very "vote" is but a scam.
Where in the history of democracy
the vote is not an ultimate determinant
of an outcome, assuming there are no
irregularities?
Well, in the totalitarian usenet,
ran by herr fuehrer, David Lawrence,
and godfather of brainwashing,
Russ Allbery.
Zig heil!
]
End of quote.
David Lawrence is a PATHOLOGICAL liar
and a fuehrer of big-8.
That much is certain.
There are numerous other subtle tricks
in those DICTATES they call "guidelines".
This is but a tip of the iceberg.
David Lawrence is associated with ISC
(Internet Software Consortium)
http://www.isc.org.
ISC is sponsored in part by DISA,
Defense Information Systems Agency.
Zo...
Who actually OWNS usenet again?
How bout United States military and intelligence?
What countries are represented
in this totalitarian clique of dictators?
Well, the USA, what else?
Now, which empire is the evillest of ALL evil again?
You haven't even seen but a tip of the iceberg.
nucleus
nucleus
Cantrick) wrote:
>In article <9j2296$ofd$1...@bcarh8ab.ca.nortel.com>,>>> Actually, I didn't even know it, but I'm apparently doing this right.
>>> This is an exerpt from my perl script:
>>
>>I'm not sure - I remember seeing one of your cancels some time ago,
>>and thought of dropping you a note.
>
> Just tweaked in a little routine to my script to dump out a copy of the
>cancel message it generates. It appears to be doing the right thing. Keep
>and eye out and let me know if it isn't...
>
>>$OrigFrom should be the Sender: of the article to be cancelled, From: if
>>there's no Sender.
>
> Right. Updating... There we go:
>
># v .041, 2001/7/17: Mods to correctly process From: and Sender: in article
># to be cancelled, based on advice from Chris Lewis.
Well, it means that all these cancels
ARE forgeries.
Zo...
You are PURE grade criminals,
and not only virtual terrorists,
aren't you?
> -Ben
nucleus
Cantrick) wrote:
>In article <p7257.1789$6e7.4...@news.uswest.net>,
>_Lilith_ <no45...@nor45etun.net> wrote:
>>Ben is a newbie wannabe,
>
> Actually, I've probably been around Usenet longer than you. I'm not
>a grey old man yet, but I've been around since 1994 at least.
>
>>and as such didn't realize that he needs
>>to "forge" the control cancel as coming from the original poster for
>>it to be effective.
>
way.
Oh, the "professional" virtual terrorist by now, huh.
>
> -Ben
>--
>Ben Cantrick (mac...@dim.com) | Yes, the AnimEigo BGC dubs still
>suck.
Nothing sucks as good, as YOU, pervert.
nucleus
pyro...@Hotmail.com (pyro) wrote:
>Flaagg <flgz1@_REMOVE_TO_EMAIL_home.com> wrote in message
> news:<MPG.15bc33c3e...@news.yec1.on.wave.home.com>...
>> In article <5ll3ltkistsbmq4hm...@4ax.com>, Barret The Hun
>> <bar...@bungmunch.com> says...
>>
>> > Marco d'Itri <ab...@1.2.0.1.0.0.1.e.f.f.3.ip6.int> wrote in message
>> > <0t3b51b02ci5d8n3e9%m...@wonderland.linux.it>:
>>
>> > 2nd comment:
>> >
>> > ### groups where we restrict crossposts even more than normal
>> > low_xpost_groups => 'test|jobs|forsale'.
>> > '|^alt\.fan\.karl-malden\.nose'.
>> > '|^alt\.alien\.vampire\.flonk\.flonk\.flonk|^alt\.romath'.
>> > '|^alt\.snuh|^alt\.fan\.natasha',
>> >
>> >
>> > The nose, flonk and romath should be exempt from fascist
>> > filtering by blood-sucking totalitarian perverts like
>> > you who spend their days licking each others output holes.
>>
>> I must agree with this post. Give a blood-sucking totalitarian pervert
>> control over cleanfeed, and they just booger it up. Every single time.
>
>Like how they turned the politically incorrect pastime of Fred
>Cherry-style crossposting (the Newsgroups headers alone from some of
>those posts are still some of the best UPA ever done. It's not heresy
>and I will not recant) into compulsory massive EMP when it comes to
>spammers? One article, one newsgroup has been the norm for several
>years. That's a lot of lines of text. They have no need, like the
>UPA man or woman, to crosspost to 20 groups with five articles
>crossposted
Are YOU there to define who has what need?
> like spokes on a wagonwheel or four to representative
>cross-sections. That is not subject to debate here.
Zig heil!
Your ass is on fire,
haven't you noticed?
> I like others
>will give up UPA when they pry the keyboard from my dead cold fingers.
Hahahahahahaha.
Not just a megalomaniacal pervert
with compulsive destructive tendencies,
but OBSCESSED megalomaniac?
Impressive indeed.
>Did these over-sensitive extortionist fuck chops ever consider the
>impact their schizophrenia-like inability to focus,
Zig heil, or pure blooded of Aryan race!
> mind their own
>fucking business and/or use filters has done over the years when it
>comes to bandwidth? What's easier for your server to eat: 1000
>complete posts telling you where you can see Britney Spears blowing a
>gorilla or where to get Xenical & Viagra without a prescription, or 50
>messages only slightly larger because they were crossposted to 20
>newsgroups?
Mind your own land of delusion
and your own sucking enterprises unlimited.
Ever heard?
>For the spammers, who are using this medium because they are lazier
>than the average marketing person to begin with, it is just easier to
>pump out 20 spam posts. With the spammers, I figure it's like handing
>out condoms in schools because they're going to do it anyways. Truth
>is, it is consequently easier for the cancelbot operators too.
Cancel bot operators...
Cancel bot operators...
Cancel bot operators...
Oh, you mean those virtual terrorists
with the mask of a public servant,
hiding their faces of evil,
covering those red horns?
I've heard that before.
> I
>remember seeing enough ads for sex drugs and rocknroll crossposted to
>10 groups at one time in the past to think 7 out of 10 spammers are
>too lazy or paranoid to take the extra time to do a one to a group EMP
>and even more didn't consider the tactical advantage of it because of
>the extra work it makes for the cancelbots.
Ever heard of LAW?
Zo...
You, vigilantes, are using extra-legal means
to impose YOUR version,
and the MOST corrupted one at that,
of the Universe
upon ALL?
One more time:
WHO elected you?
What legal authority authorized you?
Oh, you are all but a clique
of self-appointed virtual terrorists,
terrorizing everyone
to submit to your perverted version
of totalitarian dictatorship?
How exciting.
You know what is it called?
Well, it is called...
"Racketeering by the Corrupt Organizations",
RICO act.
There are not many crimes as bad,
as this one.
Now, you DO force the legal commercial entities
to submit to your will,
do you?
You DO threated them with reprisals,
do you?
You DO it all to advance your own agenda,
do you?
Well, that IS the definition of a racketeering activity.
>The fuck chops can use all the h/c/p/v skills and Dick Nixon-type
>dirty tricks in the book and the spammers are still going to do the
>deed. With the problems a small portion of the fuck chops create, I
>could understand the willingness of a server admin someplace to gladly
>"accidentially" punch a hole in the firewall or diddle some
>configuration files for a few hours in the middle of a shift in
>exchange for a few $50 bills in an envelope from some porno or
>pharmaceutical kingpin.
Sounds just like the mind of a public servant
indeed.
> Hell,
Yes, welcome to hell, suxy.
>I think they've been, as the Sicilians
>say, wetting a little bird's beak by sending money to at least one in
>six of the regulars of news.* and alt.config for years.
>Dave The Resurrector In (control.newgroup) 2001.
nucleus
by Tim Skirvin, the "owner" of news.admin.net-abuse.sightings.
Zo...
That group seems to be available to virtual terrorists
ONLY. Kinda by invitation thing.
Impressive.
One more time:
How much virtual "real estate" this "owner"
of free.* hierarchy, news.admin.net-abuse.policy,
news.admin.net-abuse.sightings been able to
accumulate so far?
That "public servant", working his ass off to the bone,
just to protect the interests of those "clueless"
usenet participants, weally has a good taste
in terms of selecting the prime virtual real estate
to acquire with the help of those fools,
who "voted" for him.
Now, to censor out such a post as the one below
is what?
Well, probably the MOST perverted form of censorship
there is.
Zig heil, fascists.
Line up your output holes WEALLY good.
It is forthcoming indeed.
nucleus
Cantrick) wrote:
>In article <9j30tt$pit$4...@news.ukr.net>,
>nucleus <nuc...@invalid.you.are> wrote:
>>> Right. Updating... There we go:
>>>
>>># v .041, 2001/7/17: Mods to correctly process From: and Sender: in article
>>># to be cancelled, based on advice from Chris Lewis.
>>
>>Well, it means that all these cancels
>>ARE forgeries.
>
>that only have From:, but no sender. I don't have a count handy,
>(I'm not sure I could do an accurate count that far back, with no
>archive that goes back that far) but I think Sender: is not as
>often used.
>
> So yes, some of my cancels could have been forgeries. Unintentional,
>but possible.
Possible?
Hahahahahaha.
>>Zo...
>>You are PURE grade criminals,
>>and not only virtual terrorists,
>>aren't you?
> Dunno. What constitues a pure grade criminal as opposed to, say,
>a non-pure one?
Try to figure it out on your own.
> As for virtual terrorist, I kinda like that. Maybe I'll replace
>"the nose" with "virtual terrorist." But, I think "cyber-terrorist"
>has a much more menacing ring to it, don't you? Yeah, baby... I'm a
>menace 2 society!
Oh, I thought you are a pure grade public servant,
working your sorry ass off
to protect those "clueless" on usenet.
Turns out to be that you are but a SELF-ADMITTED
virtual terrorist.
I like your style.
Frank as it gets.
Perversion knows no limit indeed.
> Hungh! Who's your daddy!!!
Huh?
My daddy you want?
Well, sleep well, suxy.
Cause my daddy may get upset,
and from the places where he is,
you may get a ROYAL treatment indeed,
as royal, as it gets.
In fact, you may find out one day...
Well, when your teeth lock up
for some strange reason,
you know who my daddy is.
When your face pales,
just when you hang on the last thread,
then you know,
who my daddy is.
When you walk,
and, all of a sudden,
you start loosing a balance,
about to fall under a big metal thing,
then you know
who my daddy is.
When you sit down,
and your sorry fat ass
just never lands...
Anotherwords, suxy,
good luck.
You may need it indeed.
You fat chicks ain't gonna do the trick, suxy.
> -Ben
nucleus
<ber...@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>nuc...@invalid.you.are (nucleus) writes:
>
>>In article <imo2j9...@innovative.iinet.net.au>, Bernd Felsche
>><ber...@innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>Patricia A. Shaffer <ra...@swva.net> writes:
>>>
>>>><c5050...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>In article <995388089.217100@jimsun>, 2...@cluestick.org says...
>>>>>> In article <rtg8lt8h9oo9d5trs...@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> quantities of amusement at the irony. You see: that post to which
>>>>>> you followed-up, Patricia, didn't appear here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dippy *still* hasn't figured-out the *real* consequences of its
>>>>>> actions. <shakes head> Truly amazing. *Must* be a spammer. Not
>>>>>> much else in this world quite so dim.
>>>
>>>>>it gives me more reason to beleive that "dip" is a "spanked" spammer that
>>>>>was responsible for all of this flooding. look at the similarities.
>>>>>1. joe jobs.
>>>>>2. nntp server rapes
>>>>>3. forged headers & "from" addresses.
>>>>>4. attack aimed specifically against n.a.n.a.e
>>>>>5. use of ratware for power-posting these by the thousands.
>>>>>6. the stupidity for doing this crap in the first place.
>>>
>>>>>anyone here got a major spammer kicked off his isp recently?
>>>
>>>I get at least one confirmed "kill" per week.
>
>>KILL?
>
>"Kill". As in having connectivity yanked, persons expelled from
>employment and educational institutions, providing evidence to law
>enforcement authorities.
>
>All of these result in the offender being "dead" as far a email and
>Usenet are concerned.
>
>>Are you a killer?
>
>Yes. A trained killer.
I like that notion of a public servant indeed.
>>A "public servant" aka KILLER?
>
>I incite the "kill" for my own benefit.
That much is certain.
>>VERY impressive indeed.
>
>>Who do you represent here?
>
>Myself. I use a name. My real name. Just like I have for over 10
>years on Usenet.
>>Who elected you to kill here?
>I did.
Who gave you the right to do so?
- I did!
Under what authority?
- My own!
You know what this is called?
Well, terrorism and vigilante,
hiding behind the mask of a public servant,
you pervert of blood boiling grade,
not able to even comprehend the idea
of pushing the "next" button
on your newsreader,
weaseling his way around the edges of the law,
hoping that no one will ever spend the resources
to nail the last nail
into your coffin of totalitarian dictatorship
and virtual terrorism.
>>Are you a public servant?
>
>You're getting boringly-repetitive.
You, perverts, pose as what here again?
Well, the PUBLIC SERVANTS,
doing it all for "the good of others",
to "protect ALL from 'evil'",
even though YOU are about
the EVILLEST of ALL evil around.
Yup, Mr. trained killer.
I don't need a trained killer
to protect MY interests
and cancel the articles I wish to read.
Why don't you cancel your own?
>>Trying to get rid of all "evil",
>>you yourself invented and defined?
>
>It may be considered a criminal offence under Australian law to send
>unsolicited email as it consitutes the unauthorised insertion of
>data into a computer system. The offence is punishable by terms of
>imprisonment and heavy fines.
Uhu.
>It is a criminal offence under the laws of several European
>countries to harvest email addresses and to use them to send email
>without the explicit approval of the owner of the address.
>The same is in violation of EU directives.
Good. Then use the legal ways and means
to resolve the conflicting situations.
Only criminals go outside the law
and only vigilantes take it in their own hands,
and only racketeers do what you are doing here.
>>Or you are just another sick megalomaniac
>>and pevert with the mask of a public servant
>>to hide the faces of a blood boiling murderer?
>
>I'm not a public servant. I fight spam for my own selfish benefit.
Did I authorize you to cancel the articles on my own behalf?
Oh, "you could care less", right?
That is why I call you all criminals
and virtual terrorists.
Your place is in jail, pervert.
>I fight spam
Big words.
Big farse.
Full of fury,
signifying nothing,
at least beyond the issue of virtual terrorism
and blood boiling intolerance
to the ideas of others.
> because I don't want to have to hide their identity to
>avoid spam.
>
>Every spam received will result in some action to try to reduce spam
>from that source.
Do you recognize the law as such?
Or you propose we enter the Anarchy phase now?
Better be ready.
Better be ready.
You see, the blood boiling,
fat parasites of your kind,
hoping to get fatter
on the hype of "spam fighting",
may loose ALL their food,
even the real one.
> I don't force other people to "kill" the spammers
>for me. I merely point out the benefits of doing so.
You are destroying the articles
on my behalf,
you blood boiling idiot
and self-admitted TRAINED killer.
As far, as I am concerned,
you are but a criminal.
Your mind is criminal.
Your ways are criminal.
You admit you are a killer.
You crave for kill, kill, kill,
just as brainwashed
by those fat parasites
manipulating your fear and guilt.
You are but a disgrace
and not only to usenet,
but to a human race as such.
That is ALL there is to it.
>>>But then. I do "something" about every spam received instead of just
>>>archiving (anybody want a 50 megabyte spam archive?).
>>>
>>>>LOL! Now, *that's* a silly question to ask in nanae!
>>>
>>>>Besides all of the spammers with recently flattened nads crawling
>>>>about, just think of the trollish folk we've mangled lately ...
>>>><eg>
nucleus
Cantrick) wrote:
> [ Groups: trimmed down to boulder.general and n.a.n-a.u per usual. -Ben ]
>
>In article <%R157.1782$6e7.4...@news.uswest.net>,
>_Lilith_ <no45...@nor45etun.net> wrote:
>>"Ben Cantrick" <mackys...@dim.com> wrote in message
>>news:9j1jl8$p...@flatland.dimensional.com...
>>> [ free.hipcrime and n.a.n-a.m cut, as usual. -Ben ]
>>>
>>> In article <GgT47.1$6e7....@news.uswest.net>,
>>> _Lilith_ <no45...@nor45etun.net> wrote:
>>> >It is clearly a violation of Federal and many State computer hacking
laws.
>>>
>>> No, actually, the legality is far from clear either way. As you might
>>> know, if you read my response to Scott's post. It comes down to a matter
>>> of authorization, and I've already had at least once explicit
authorization.
>>
>>And can I "explicitly authorize" you to enter Scott's home and destroy
>>his personal writings?
>>
>
> You still don't get it.
Oh yes, YOU are the one who "gets" it, right?
Oki, doki.
Keep sucking.
You are doing a good job indeed.
> If Scott puts letters in my mailbox, I don't
>need his permission to take them out and burn them. Not even if he
>copyrighted them.
Well, well, well.
It ain't that kosher
to pervert it to this magnitude, suxy.
>>> >Although it was Ben "the nose" Cantrick who claimed to have tried
>>> >to break the law, but stated some other censorious criminal beat him to
it.
>>>
>>> That's true, except the part about breaking the law, which is really
>>> hard to call just now.
>>
>>You are hoping it's hard to call, it's rather clear to anyone with a modicum
>>of legal education and experience.
>
> Oh, I think the EFF, ACLU and several other large organizations might
>disagree...
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
MIGHT?
You are also authorized to make representations
on THEIR behalf?
Impressive.
>>But if you want to keep blindly dancing
>>near the edge, make sure you have a lawyer, a good $250/hr one,
>>on retainer.
> I have two. They're called my parents. One practices in Denver, one
>*teaches criminal law* at CU.
Oh, so your daddy teaches a criminal law
and his belowed suxy is?
Is a virtual terrorist, forger and a virtual criminal?
How exciting.
Did you tell your daddy what you do
as a "public servant" on usenet?
Might not be a bad idea.
Ima kinda curious to know what kind of wisdom
is he gonna enlighten you with.
Why don't you consult your daddy and mommy.
That would be a pretty solid argument
and then come here and tell all the "clueless"
how the world WEALLY turns?
Who knows...
> Still eager to haul me into court, eh?
A sorry fat ass as yours, eh?
> I'll ask you again: Regular or
>extra crispy, Lilith, which one are you?
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
But I bet your ass fries just as well.
These kinda hints are not exactly
the image of a public servant,
aren't they?
This is a language of a usenet mafiozi,
drunk with power
to the point of oblivion.
One more time:
Your own ass burns just as good,
if not better, mind you.
> Where's that subpoena, Lilith?
What are these sucking sounds I hear,
Mr. public servant?
I see these red horns
sticking through my screen here.
Would you kindly remove them?
I'd WEALLY appreciate it.
> Come on, man. I'm *looking forward* to dragging your ass through court!
>Heh. heh, heh...
I like the way you talk.
Just watch out the way you walk,
as I said before.
>>>>They weren't illegal, by any standard. They weren't even spam
>>>>per the accepted usenet/BI definitions.
>>>
>>> Nope, you're wrong. At least according to n.a.n-a.u.
>>
>>Fuck nanu, they can't even follow their own unauthorized, arbitrary,
>>illegal guidelines.
>
> Well, if you know any other massive gathering of the people who run
>the news servers that run Usenet, please point me at it.
>>> But of course, to you those people there aren't the tireless news server
>>>admins
>>
>>Half the whiners in nanu aren't newsadmins, or admins of anything.
>>Any wet-behind the ears, zitfaced, teenage psycho can post there, and
>>often does. And one of the main cancel fascists there, Chris Lewis,
>>is a Canadian, living in a place that has no 1st amendment, no concept
>>or acceptance of free speech. Why should some censor fascist Canadian
>>be allowed to abuse and cancel postings authored by others?
>>
>>Hell, in Canada, the _truth_ is *not* a legal defense to an accusation of
>>libel/slander. Go figure.
>
> Did you have a point, or were you just blowing your wad in Chris's
direction?
>
> I agree that truth should be a defense against libel, incidentally. Damn
>shame what Canada has done to free speech. But then I'm not exactly in
>a position to throw stones, given some of the uber-stupid court decisions
>here in the USA.
Uber Aletz.
>>> who keep Usenet running.
>>
>>Your naivete is showing. N.a.n.u isn't some members only organization
>>representing even a tiny fraction of Usenet or other admins, any more than
>>the people the post to boulder.general control and keep Boulder running.
>>
>>What a laugh.
>
> Well my friend, I stand in counter-example right here. I post to b.g
>and I'm attempting to keep the place running
Which place?
YOUR place?
Or MY place?
Oh, you are running the whole free sucking werld?
Zig heil!
> by getting rid of contentless spam
As defined by whom again?
> that might cause news admins to drop the group because it suddenly
>got excessive traffic.
Lying your teeth off as usual?
> Maybe I'm in the minority. Fine. I'm still not stopping just because
>you don't like me. Matter of fact, if you don't like me, that just makes
>me happier.
Look like a REAL public servant indeed.
> Have no doubt about it, I ENJOY pissing you off.
Yes, perversion knows no limits.
Are you a sadist of a public servant?
>>> Nope, they're the cancel cabal.
>>
>>Yes they are, and a malicious one at that, as anyone who every
>>followed their exploits since 1994 would know.
>
> I've followed their actions on and off since 1994 too (not contiuously -
>I do, much to my surprise, apparently have a life), and while I don't agree
>with everything they've done, on the whole I find them to be reasonable,
>sane people.
>
> I'd rather have them in charge than the Cult of Scientology or any
>of the other morons who have wanted/want to rule Usenet.
I'd rather see the virtual terrorists of your kind
terrorising your own daddy and mommy,
or someone on your own back yard.
Git it?
> I agree it's a pity that anyone has to do it, but the alternative
>is to stand idly by and let ourselves be destroyed.
Huh?
Why don't you ask your daddy and mommy
if they think the issues need to be resolved
via LEGAL means, and not EXTRA-legal means,
Mr. perverted vigilante,
using the very notion of public service
as an excuse
to express your inner monstrocity
and sadism?
Have you been tortured in the past?
> Not my style.
Oh, your STYLE?
You mean kill, kill, kill?
How impressive.
Are you TOTALLY brainwashed
to LITERAL oblivion
with all that propaganda of destruction
on the idiot box, you call TV?
>>> And they're obviously
>>> bent on total global domination - not merely something as mundane as
>>> making sure their news servers aren't DOS'd
>>
>>There you go again tossing legal terms about that you only vaguely
understand.
>>Who's newsserver was placed offline/crashed by a few hundred text postings,
>>when the daily spool/cache is over 120 Gigs for a full news feed?
>
> I believe Chris just posted such a case...
>
>>> into oblivion by some
>>> FBI fugutive
>>
>>Sure, repeat it enough and it might come true.
>>Does the FBI have a "file" on you yet, Ben?
>>Would you like them to?
>
> Do they currently have a file on me? I have no idea. Do I hope that
>eventually I will considered subversive enough to have an FBI file?
>Yes.
SUBVERSIVE?
What kind of a public servant you are?
That is kinda revealing, ain't it?
> Unfortunately I'm not sure what the current equivalent of "Communist" is.
>And most people these days seem to be reasonable enough that introducing them
>to new ideas isn't sufficiently threatening to get me an FBI file. Damnit.
>
> Maybe if I get a really good tan, wear a white robe instead of normal
>clothes, and carry an AK-47 around everywhere. And yell random shit in
>Farsi...
Oh, you are hoping your daddy and your mommy
will provide a fat check for you
so that you could just grove it around
in a white rolls?
You think you can just rule the usenet
as a professional occupation,
telling everyone you are doing it "for free"?
>>> whose mission in life seems to be to make their lives
>>> annoying for no reason other than he can.
>>
>>Or perhaps a reason to subtle and esoteric for your
>>nascent little mind to comprehend.
>
> Pah. I got your esoteric right here, fnord.
>
>>> >"Unwanted" is not any legal or moral justification to cancel
>>> >anything on usenet.
>>> True.
>>Opps, that admission will get you tossed out of the cabal's inner chamber.
>
> Their loss, then. I don't give two shits about them either. Pissing them
>off is just as much fun as pissing you off.
You don't give a shit about this.
You don't give a piss about that.
Looks like a face of a WEAL public servant.
Zig heil!
>>> >> I would not call his action "entirely without legal authority and at
> great
>>> >> risk".
>>> >Because you are ignorant and biased to the legal reality of the
situation.
>>> "Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle." "Gee, you're awful black!"
>>
>>Doesn't make either less black, now does it?
>
> It just means that you're still wrong, that's all.
Right and wrong.
"Good" and "bad".
Black and white.
A binary universe of a fascist delusion
it is called.
>>> >>- Not a single company or individual objected to
>>> >> nuking the crap;
>>> >
>>> >Irrelevant, Usenet isn't run by a tyranny of the majority, or more
apropos
>>> >a tyranny of meowing fascist censor cabalists.
>>>
>>> Au contraire, mon ami. Usenet IS ruled exclusively by the news server
>>> admins
>>
>>Nope, there is no legal authorization to cancel or destroy a copyright
holders
>>works, and by becoming a usenet isp, that obligation is implicit.
>
> Wrong-o.
Right and wrong.
"Good" and "bad".
Black and white.
Zig heil!
> No ISP has a legal obligation to keep content on their servers
>that they don't want. Whether it's copyrighted or not is totally irrelevant.
What is your license number as an attorney?
You are cutting it so blatantly,
that it looks like you are the usenet judge here.
TOTALLY irrelevant?
Says who?
The virtual terrorist,
having a VESTED interest in this?
>>> whose disk space, CPU time, memory space, and network bandwidth
>>> it exists on. Your (and Hipcrime's) attempts to convince people otherwise
>>> nonwithstanding, those people ARE Usenet,
>>
>>Nice try, but wrong again. Usenet is entirely the posters/authors/copyright
>>holders like Weisser, HipCrime, OpenFleshWound, and all the millions of
others
>>who create the "content" that makes usenet what it is.
>
> The copyright argument is a red herring.
Then you are a bio-robot,
programmed to oblivion
with the template ideas
of one liner magnitude.
You have a pretty fascist mind indeed.
No wonder you are attracted to this.
> Your right to control your own
>words does not force anyone to store them for you. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT
>TO FORCE ANYONE TO LISTEN TO YOU.
Do YOU have the right to shut anybody up?
I like that indeed.
> Say all you want, but you have no right to
>force your speech upon anyone who does not want it.
Then go suck a black hole.
Do you know how to push the "next" button
on your newsreader?
Oh, he is FORCING you to read it?
One more time:
Perversion and deceit knows no limit.
> Freedom of speech is a
>two-way street. You seem to think it's only one.
Are you a constitutional attorney?
>>> and the machine and disks belong
>>> to them, and their word is law.
>>
>>Nope, never was and never will be. Any more than the phone company can
>>randomly and arbitrarily cancel and interfere with your telephone
>>communications, after all, they "own" the lines, copper, switches and
>>networks that transport your call, so they can cancel them at will,
>>can't they?
> Yup, they basically can. I can complain to the PUC, but if they want
>to stall me, they can make my life very difficult.
>
> Bad comparison anyway, since Chris just posted that case that showed
>that regulated monopolies like telephone companies are subject to quite
>different legal conditions than normal private businesses like ISPs.
Is it a LEGAL argument here?
Is this a court hearing?
Are you a judge
to interpret ANY of it?
Where is your certificate?
>>> Call 'em a cancel cabal if you want,
>>Everyone does, as that is what they are. Even some
>>of the more candid fascists there confess as much.
>
> Call 'em whatever you want, I don't give a shit.
> Call 'em whatever you want, I don't give a shit.
> Call 'em whatever you want, I don't give a shit.
> Call 'em whatever you want, I don't give a shit.
> Call 'em whatever you want, I don't give a shit.
> Call 'em whatever you want, I don't give a shit.
Yep, just like a genuine public servant indeed.
> I do not observe that
>their beliefs or actions run to the fascist, but if you wanna make that
>argument, feel free. I'm open to hear that.
>
>>> though
>>> I think most of them are way too busy keeping the news servers running to
>>> worry about petty pests like Hipcrime or j00, or to issue cancels.
>>
>>Thanks for confessing and conceding the illegality of your/their actions,
>>and the exaggeration of the impact of a few hundred posts to a 120 Gig
>>spool. You and they are illegal cancellers, and all the lies and hype about
>>phony BI indexes, and "DoS attacks" and other Lions and Tigers and Bears,
>>Oh My! do nothing to persuade the objective legal observers that your
actions
>>are any less criminal, immoral and unethical.
>
> Well, you've struck out badly on the criminal part of your accusation,
>and you're not willing to take it to court to really find out.
You mean your daddy and your mommy
have plenty of dough
to get you out of about any trouble there is,
hoping that the other dude
will not have enough resources
even to get to the first motion?
WEALLY impressive.
> As for
>unethical, all cancellers I know try and be as open and honest as possible,
Huh?
Never heard this before.
Where did you dug this fabrication from?
>and only cancel when someone attempts to use their free speech to deny the
>free speech of others.
Wow!
About as perverted, as it gets.
> If this is unethical, so be it.
If you admit you are not acting on ethical grounds,
then...
Then you can't use the argument of a public servant,
pervert.
Then you become a self-appointed virtual terrorist,
doing it all to promote your own agenda,
whatever it might be.
> As for immoral, I generally try not to get mixed up in arbitrary
>statements of good vs. evil. If you want to make a moral argument,
>feel free. Be aware however that I'm unlikely to give much credit
>to any kind of argument that boils down to "It's evil because I
>don't like it, and because I say so!"
But that is EXACTLY your own argument,
ain't it?
You call the speech of others "evil"
just because YOU, suckazoid,
simply don't like it,
and instead of pushing the "next" button
on your newsreader, just like the judge would suggest,
you are doing what again?
PRETENDING to be doing a work of a public servant,
while being a virtual terrorist with a criminal mind,
not recognizing ethics, morality, or anything else
for that matter.
You know how good you sit by now?
You are in shit up to your ears, suxy.
> Which really seems to be the foundation of your whole ideology, actually.
YOUR ideology,
and ideology of destruction.
>But that's another discussion entirely...
>>> Way to totally not address his point. Will you please go find me *one*
>>> news admin that objects to spam cleanup?
>>
>>Define "spam", then I'll find you 100's ... starting with the ones
>>that deliberately offer unfiltered full newsfeeds, and don't honor cancel
>>requests from anyone.
> Spam's easy: BI >= 20.
Says who?
Another virtual terrorists
and a blood boiling idiot,
who invented this delusion,
Bullshit Index?
It is ENTIRELY appropriate
to post the same exact article
to the entire usenet
in some cases,
such as an advanced information
on a global nuclear warfare
and PLENTY of other things.
Now, they way you, totalitarian and fascist perverts,
got it now, the whole world may about to see its last
moments, but you, blood sucking parasites
will be ENJOYING anihilation of that critical article.
Not only that, but you will be sitting here,
making all these hissing sounds,
bragging to one another
how good of a public servants you are.
One more time:
Perversion knows no limits.
> And I am totally on board with people not honoring cancels. I absolutely
>support their right to not do that,
The cancels were designed to provide the ability
to the posters to change their mind and remove
their own articles.
They were not designed as tools of virtual terrorism
on a global scale.
You simply perverted that very concept
and to the point of obscene.
> or to offer completely unfiltered
>newsfeeds. That's why my cancels adhere to the cyberspamn convention,
Created by whom?
The same virtual terrorists from lart, fart, newsguy
and all the other perverts, just like yourself,
mind you, CAPITALIZING on this thing?
>which allows a news admin to very, very easily deny all my cancels by
>aliasing out the site "cyberspam." My cancels will be dropped right on
>the floor by such sites. I did that on purpose. I am all good with
>people not accepting my cancels.
Oh, you mean there is a possibility your are going
to terrorize the news admins not honoring your virtual terrorism?
One more time:
Perversion knows no limits.
>>> Better yet, can you go find one news admin who want Hipcrime's
content-free
>>> spew on his news server?
>>So you are targeting the person(s)/posters themselves for canceling?
>
> Not in specific. Anything that is BI >= 20 and I notice, I will attempt
>to cancel.
Then I reserve the same right to cancel
ANY of your totalitarian spam,
totally deviod of any meaning,
and, as a CEOF of usenet,
authorize anyone under the sun
and beyond
to do the same.
> Hipcrime just happens to be the latest in a long, long line.
Ok, this thing is obscene enough,
and endless enough
in its perversion of the most fundamental
principles of usenet,
public service and facilitation.
Enough.
>>> >> Ben covered
>>> >> the bases; he made the right call- he's at no risk whatsoever.
>>> >
>>> >Complete bullshit, for an ignoramus. Suppose you will defend him
>>> >in court when he gets charged?
>>>
>>> I'm perfectly happy to take this to a courtroom. What a riot! Wanna
>>> come and be the first witness for the prosecution?
>>
>>Sure. Challenge the Feds/State to bring charges against you, claiming
>>that the law doesn't apply to you and you will continue to 3rd party cancel
>>other people's copyright works, go ahead spunky, write them the letter
>>offering to be the challenge case, and see just how many people do
>>come out of the woodwork to condemn you censorious, illegal actions.
>
> Nuh-uh, buddy. I wanna see YOU in court. I want that ever-so-convenient
>mask of anonymity that you cower behind like a shivering jackal stripped
>off. And you'd better believe that during the course of the trial, I'm
>going to make sure your real name and all known aliases get put into the
>public record where they will never be forgotten and can never be erased.
>
> Mua-ha-ha!
>
> Nothing a troll hates more than being unmasked...
>
>>> >> > He could be sued and/or arrested and criminally charged for
>>> >> >cancelling other people's messages on other people's computer systems
>>> >> >under federal and state laws.
>>> >>
>>> >> If any individual's *ever* been convicted under any computer crime law
> for
>>> >> nuking a spammer's posts,
>>> >
>>> >They will one day, just a matter of time.
>>>
>>> Why wait? Come on man, I'm *inviting you* you to take me to court here!
>>
>>The ball's in your court, though your scofflaw attitude is hereby note for
>>any future prosecution that may occur.
>
> I knew it. You are extra-crispy after all!
>
> >Bock, bock, bock, bock-bock-bock!!!<
>
> (Chanting and skipping in circles:) Lilith's a big fat cowardly weenie!
>Lilith's a big fat cowardly weenie!!
>
> ;]
>
> Well, actually, I dunno if you're big and fat. But anyway...
>
>>> What's the problem? Got cold feet all of a sudden? Maybe you're... afraid?
>>> Maybe too lazy to stand up for your principles if it involves getting up
>>> from behind the anonymous comfort of that cozy keyboard? Maybe you're...
>>> chicken? Regular or extra crispy, Lilith? Which one are you?
>>
>>Your true cowardly personality shows through, you just thought you be one
>>of the "kewl" internet dudes, and show off your "impressive" computer skills
>>by configuring a control/cancel message. My my, bet Maraya and Melissa
>>are sooo impressed with you.
>
> I doubt it, actually. Melissa hates me because I'm not a total gung-ho
>gun nut and I think that there is such thing as reasonable gun regulation.
>Also, last I heard Melissa was a lesbian, so I'm not on her A list anyway.
>
> Maraya I doubt has any interest in a computer geek, and considers this
>argument here the height of pointless esoterica.
>
> But hey, if they are impressed, well great. Maybe Maraya will introduce
>me to her daughter. ;] (Nothing personal you guys, but I'm pretty sure
>neither of you is my type.)
>
> I long ago broke myself of any foolish assumption that I might somehow
>get women from my net-related activities. If anything, it drives chicks
>away.
>
>>>>Then if one can cancel, all can cancel, and it will become cancel
>>>>anarchy.
>>> You're not listening, grasshopper - THAT IS ALREDY THE STATE OF USENET.
>>So why do you add to the noise level. Stop canceling, and those protesting
>>the cancels will stop. Ipso facto.
>
> I'll stop just as soon as the people attempting to over-ride my free
>speech rights stop. I have no desire to start trouble. But if someone
>starts something with me, I will finish it.
>
>>> Jeezus. Read n.a.n-a.u for a couple of days.
>>Been reading it since 1994, newbie.
>
> As have I - newbie.
>
>>> There are cancelbunnies all over the place!
>>
>>And for every illegal cancel-bot there is a Resurrector-bot.
>>Then there is HipCrime's NewsAgent. Why is one
>>cancel-bot more valid than another?
>
> Several reasons. The major one is accountability. Chris and crew don't
>hide behind aliases, exploit poorly configured news servers, or forge
>other people's identities. They go out of their way not to do these things.
>HipCrime and friends seem to go out of their way to do exactly these things.
>It would also appear that the legit cancellers are attempting to limit
damage,
>while Hipcrime is attempting to do damage.
>
>>>They're constantly popping up, and constantly being
>>> squashed. Just because you're too ignorant of the inner workings of Usenet
>>> to notice it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The things behind your head
>>> do not vanish just because you can't see them.
>>
>>Sure, you're a regular Paul Vixie aren't you?
>
> I dunno, never met Vixie. Should have gone to LISA when Evi invited me
>during college. Ah well. BIND 8 was pretty cool, so I guess I give him
>points for that. Still like DJBDNS better from a technical standpoint,
though.
>
>>>>Mitnick thought the same about his internet exploits.
>>> And he was wrong. And he got hauled into court, and throw in jail.
>>> Admittedly, for WAY too long. And the parole terms were absolutely unjust.
>>
>>The same one's you face when the Feds decide to make an "example" out of
>>you ... yeeeeeee haaaaaaa!
>
> I *eagerly* await. I could use some excitement in my life. :P
>
>>> Point is, if you're so sure I'm breaking the law, what are you waiting
>>> for? Be the big hero - drag me into court. Or are you not a sufficent
>>> Tsutomu Shinomura to my Mitnick?
>>
>>You arrogance is rising to that of Mitnick,
>
> You know, I think I'll take that as a compliment. Now that is one
>BIG-ASS ego!! Go me!
>
>>keep it up, it endears
>>you well to those you eventually decide to pursue you.
>>So keep canceling, since you claim it isn't illegal, you have
>>nothing to fear, or are you not convinced of the legality of your
>>position?
>
> Ah yes, so you STILL won't take me to court yourself. Bwak, bwak, bwa-BWAK!
>Extra crispy! Extra crispy!!
>
> You bet I'll keep cancelling. Been doing it for four-odd years now, on
>and off, and I'm not about to stop now.
>
>>> >So the cancel cabal is just a bunch of meaningless whining meowers, as
>>> >many thought?
>>>
>>> Meow, meow, Henrietta Pussycat meow. ;]
>>
>>Hey Ben, follow you own mantra, keep your nose out of other people's
>>business.
>
> You don't seem to be aware that I earned my nickname by sticking my
>nose IN other people's business - because it effected me.
>
> If people stay out of my face, I'll stay out of theirs. All I want is
>to be left alone with my simple, pathetic little life. I'm quite happy
>as just another scum-sucking yuppie in the people's republikkk of Boulder.
>
> Unfortunatly everyone from fundamentalists to Hipcrime seem to think
>I so desperately need their ideas that they're justified in forcing me
>to see them whether I want it or not. And that pisses me off.
>
>>Any questions?
>
> Yeah; Will you get HipCrime's spew the hell out of boulder.general now?
>
>
> -Ben
nucleus
<jeroen....@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Anybody working on an UDP for the pacbell newsservers?
>I am getting so sick and tired of that spamhouse
Why don't you just commit suicide?
Why suffer unnecessarily?
> that I'd like to help out.
"Help out"?
Hahahahahahaha.
Help out to conduct a virtual terrorism attack
on a global scale, hiding behind the mask of
a public servant?
You are but a racketerring vigilante.
>--
>Met vriendelijke groeten/Best Regards
>Jeroen Wijnands
>http://ratten.pagina.nl
>http://www.xs4all.nl/~wijnands
>-- 80% spam kill ratio since december 1995 --
Oh, another self promoting killer?
>(replace wijnands.xs4all.nl with xs4all.nl to reply)
nucleus
>> > According to _Lilith_ <no45...@nor45etun.net>:
>> > > It doesn't fit any of the traditional, accepted
>> > > usenet definitions of "spam".
>
>> > > It isn't commercial in nature.
>
>> > "commercial" isn't in the traditional, accepted Usenet definition
>
>> Really? You must have been sleeping for some of the
>> initial debates on the subject, say in 1994.
>
>I was there - I was cancelling then. I _wrote_ the definition of Usenet
spam.
First of all, you are a PERVERT.
What are those underline characters around "wrote"?
What do they mean?
That is a sign of a pervert,
brainwashed to oblivion,
perverting the very notion of accentuation.
Some other idiot of your own grade
created these obscene netti-quetti-betti-fetti
"rules". Unless you follow those "rules",
you are not considered netti-betti "compliant".
That is how this guilt manipulation trip woiks.
Secondly, I as CEO of usenet, cancel
ANY and ALL "definitions", written by you
or any other pervert, POSING, mind you,
POSING as a public servant,
while being a virtual terrorist at heart
and a cunning pervert.
I give a flying dead chicken about your
"definitions". They are all self-promotion
propaganda, created by some of the most
outrageous perverts there are.
>"commercial" doesn't enter into it.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
According to MY definitions,
"spam" can ONLY be commerical in nature.
It has to ADVERTIZE something
in order to extract some GAIN,
pervert.
There is a pretty substantial range of
perfectly valid issues and topics where
it is appropriate to send multiple messages.
>> > > It isn't excessively crossposted.
>
>> > It is somewhat crossposted, which increases the BI.
>
>> And is the BI law?
>
>On Usenet, yup.
Nope. NEVER been.
It is but an agreement among self-promoting
virtual terrorists of your kind,
a conspiracy of sorts among the members
of various gangs,
meant to further their own agenda.
You have no authority WHATSOEVER
to create ANY usenet "law".
The ONLY "authority" you virtual terrorists
give to yourselves is the sheer fact that
some of you are employees of some pretty
large providers or eductional insitutions,
such as Stanford University, where godfather
of brainwashing, Russ Allbery, operates from.
Furthermore, your employers or supervisers
probably do not even suspect what kind of
"operations" you are running from their
facilities.
So, by the sheer power of the muscule,
you can netcop and conduct the virtual
attacks, called UDP and things of that matter,
but the regular users can complain all they want,
never getting anywhere.
Your "power" is ABUSE of authority and
ABUSE of power, dedicated to your by your
management and executive staff.
>> > It most certainly does.
>
>> Only to a fascist liar cancel scum like you.
>
>You've been taking rhetoric lessons I see.
Translating:
No matter what you say or do,
I and people like ME
have the REAL "power",
and you, mortals, can do nothing about it.
Anotherwords, the language of a mafiozi
and a pervert, using the very notion of public
service as a cover up.
nucleus
<joej...@relays.osirusoft.com> wrote:
>Original to: ab...@netscape.com
>
>In terms of the insecurity of your site's news server, Netscape's news
>server being insecure qualifies it for UDP.
Wow!
Isn't that one a lil too big for your mouth?
You wish to UDP AOL?
Hahahahahahahaha.
Ever heard of Freemasons?
Good luck, or rather good lick,
virtual terrorists.
> Please secure your news server.
What kind of delusion is this?
How do you SECURE a news server?
Where did you get this idea of the grade of delusion?
> Its security issues along with others
Are the matter of AOL and not virtual terrorists
of your kind.
> allowed Hipcrime to flood
>news.admin.net-abuse.*,
And what is news.admin.net-abuse.* on the scale of things?
A place where usenet mafia hangs out
collaborating with all sorts of virtual terrorists
of your grade?
Impressive indeed.
> to "joe job" others in other groups (alt.icq is
>one) , and rogue cancels. Although the abuser
It is a valid speech.
Even more valid than your virtual terrorism fabrications.
You, pathological liars and manipulators
are engaging in campaigns of deceit,
fabricating delusions.
You are so perverted
that you even conceive of an idea
of denying access to usenet to millions of people
just because of one individual,
playing games with you,
and justifiably so.
What CAN he do?
You, criminal perverts, have done so much
to abuse not only him, but literally anyone,
who does not submit to your corrupt totalitarian
rule, and totally without any punishment of any kind,
that there is LITERALLY nothing anyone can do
to stop you.
You unite in conspiracies,
aggregating power of anihilation.
You create the "manifestos" of electronic warfare.
You terrorise the whole world.
You impose your dictates upon all,
having not authority of ANY kind,
and, being the most arrogant perverts you are,
you think no one under the sun
can do ANYTHING about it.
You are weaseling your ways around the fringes
of the law, knowing full well that it is very
unlikely any individual, or even organization
can bring you to justice
just because of the tremendous expenses involved
and the fact that you will fabricate "agreements"
between one another, making it look like your
virtual terrorism is somehow is done with
consensus or agreement.
Even the biggest commercial entities,
having tremendous resources,
back away from bringing you, terrorists,
to court because of high sensitivity of
the "spam" issue.
They probably simply do not wish to look like
they are supporting the spam as such,
at least until now.
But, with the TREMENDOUS amount of information
on record, I would not be surprised
your days are numbered.
You NEVER attempted to create an organization
to address the issue of spam in LEGAL ways,
appealing to your legislators and government.
Nope, you are not interested in legal resolution
because it will put you out of business.
You are here to create self-significance
and capitalize on the issue of spam.
The LEGAL resolution is the LAST thing in your mind.
Thus, you are operating in EXTRA-legal context.
Basically, you are qualifiable as
corrupt racketeering organizations
and subject to RICO act.
Because:
1. You terrorise legal commercial entities,
FORCING them to submit to your will.
2. You THREATEN them with terrorist attacks
and CONDUCT those attacks.
3. You do it all to advance your own
and CORRUPT agenda.
Plus, you are MOST arrogant and self-admitted
virtual terrorists, conducting your clandestine
campaigns with the principles and ideology,
strategy and tactics of a military warfare,
as outlined in:
Message-ID: <9j2qar$g44$2...@news.ukr.net>
From: nuc...@invalid.you.are (nucleus)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.admin.censorship
Subject: FAQ: Usenet mafia, Electronic Warfare and Information Terrorism
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 01:55:39 GMT
> was not within your own
>network, you can not legitimately ignore it, and at least one cancelbot
>is now canceling your mail in various newsgroups,
Mail in newsgroups?
Impressive.
> effectively cleaning
>up after your mess. Please assume responsibility for your side of the
>problem and fix it.
Nope. Those are not just some people,
"fixing" some "problem".
They are self-promoting virtual terrorists,
terrorising the whole world
and redefining the very notions of democracy,
free speech and BASIC, mind you, BASIC Human Rights
and principles, conducting TOTALLY unauthorized
censorship of totalitarian grade,
PRETENDING to be doing it as a public service,
while they are NOT authorized or elected by
usenet at large to conduct their virtual terrorism
attacks on a GLOBAL scale, just as evidenced on
control.cancel group.
Some of the most outrageous virtual criminals
and terrorists are:
Andrew Gierth,
Chris Lewis,
David Ritz,
Howard Knight,
Mark Burkley,
Runners of Cosmo Roadkill bot,
Sol networks,
LART.com
and few others.
The statement on http://www.lart.com
is quite revealing and quite representative
of their unbound and outrageous arrogance:
Quote:
"To Serve And Reject"
EQUALIZER TO THE MASSES
Yes, now too with YOUR WILL user unfriendliness shall cease to exist!!!
DON'T TREAD ON THEE
"...it is the responsibility of anyone with a modem and a dialup
account...promptly to SPANK,
manhandle and humiliate they who do, write, drool and encourage things
ill on the Internet."
..if you can't take a joke, we'll make your butt smoke!
End of quote.
JOKE?
Nope, they are OBSCESSED anihilators and sadists,
who do not believe in law and public service,
no matter what kind of perversion they fabricate.
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
The S.P.U.T.U.M. Net.War Operational Taskforce Working
Advisory Document.
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad0.htm
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad2.htm
Net.War Planning: The End is the Beginning
In order to assess how to conduct war against an opponent, one must
first firmly visualize the peace you want after the din of fighting
has ceased. Our goal in all conflicts is always to win, and win BIG.
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
It is Electronic Warfare and virtual terrorism.
In PURE sense of the word.
Just look at your own headers:
Organization: OsiruSoft Research & Engineering
Message-ID: <3B55D655...@relays.osirusoft.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: node10.localnet
X-Trace: ns.osirusoft.com 995481159 14216 192.168.0.10 (18 Jul 2001 18:32:39
GMT)
X-Complaints-To: ne...@news.osirusoft.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 2001 18:32:39 GMT
To: Abuse Terms of Service <ab...@netscape.com>
Now, your NNTP-Posting-Host is what?
Well, the node10.localnet.
What does it mean?
Well, it means that you can not be identified
on Internet.
You are covering up your tracks.
But what do you DEMAND from others?
Well, you demand their privacy is exposed
and their TRUE NNTP posting host is identified,
just as implemented in the INN server,
custom made to identify any user on the internet,
by ISC, Internet Software Consortium,
sponsored in part by DISA, Defense Information Systems Agency.
Interestingly enough, that server is one of the most
popular servers in the world, and those "features"
are likely have been wired into it as a result of
request from military and intelligence organizations
of the United States of America, USA.
THAT puts quite a twist on this whole thing,
ain't it?
>..
>Abuse Terms of Service wrote:
>> Thank you for contacting the Netscape Abuse Department
>> regarding this issue.
>> The spam you received did not originate from a Netscape.com or
>> Netscape.net account. Please contact the senders ISP to resolve
>> this issue.
>> For more information on how to combat Spam, please visit
>> the FIGHT SPAM ON THE INTERNET web site at:
>> http://spam.abuse.net/ or the JULIAN HAIGHT web site at:
>> (http://www.julianhaight.com/spamcop/).
>> Please let us know if we can provide any additional
>> information or assistance.
>> Thank you,
>> JR
>> Netscape Abuse Department
>> Joe Jared wrote:
>> > cc's to ab...@netscape.com
>> > Felix Tilley wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Are they filtering this stuff out, or are they getting hit too.
>> > > I know a lot of the regulars in this newsgroup have AOL accounts.
>> > > I used to have
>> > > an AOL account. So what has happened at AOL?
>> > > Felix Tilley
>> > Do a dns lookup on netscape.com, dial the associated number, and then
>> > press 9 when prompted to do so. Any questions?
>> > I'm extremely concerned about the apparant apathy of netscape
>> > communications. It's almost like they've chose the AOL way, and become
>> > idiots. Their server is allowing hipcrime to vomit, rape, and pillage
>> > this newsgroup and others, yet there is no visible response to the
>> > problem. (sorry about that r word... It fits). LART'ing them might
>> > acheive something, but since they're now affiliated with the AOL
>> > monster, who knows. From my perspective, when a problem of this nature
>> > occurs, one would assume that a responsible administrator would at
>> > minimum, pull the plug on the offending system and solve the problem.
>> > What they chose to do however is their choice.
>> > Wait... Was I audible just now?
>> > --
>> > http://relays.osirusoft.com
>> > http://www.osirusoft.com
nucleus
Vizi" <Drwho...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>"Rick Pikul" <rwp...@idirect.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.15bd73958...@news-west.look.ca...
>> In article <JiM47.39280$C81.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> Drwho...@worldnet.att.net says...
>> > > In article <8tn7g3uw$e5qm.ovm...@flyicdvmiev.mil>,
>> > > Bloxy's <Bloxy's...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >ALL you do here on usenet is talk.
>> > > >
>> > > >This is a domain of a PURE free speech.
>> > > >
>> > > >And those assorted megalomaniacs, totalitarian dictators
>> > > >and fascists of all kind, use these trick to cach their
>> > > >victims in order to harass them, try to shut down their
>> > > >accounts, as they have done PLENTY of times,
>> > > >and things of that nature.
>> >
>> > Strictly speaking, if your ISP cancels your account, where both you and
>your
>> > ISP are in the US, for any reason that entails you saying something in a
>> > *public*
>> > forum (whether it be racist, threatening, whatever) your ISP is in
>violation
>> > of the first ammendment of the constitution. It's no different from the
>US
>> > government shutting down a newspaper that prints "the president is a
>moron".
>> > It violates your first ammendment rights to speak publically. IT'S
>ILLEGAL.
>> > They can, however, set policies for private forums, such as AOL
>chatrooms.
>> > Of course, their lawyers will argue that since they provide the
>newsgroup to
>> > you, it's on their terms... even though they're just channeling
>something
>> > they
>> > themselves have no control over. It's all bulshit. Free country? My
>ass!
>>
>> Do go and actually read the first amendment to the US
>> constitution:
>>
>> _CONGRESS_ shall make no law....
>>
>>
>> It doesn't apply to non-government actors, (e.g. a privately
>> owned ISP).
>
>When congress passes laws that say your ISP is responsible for your
>actions, your ISP has no choice but to regulate your actions according
>to how the government wants to regulate YOU, or else they go out of
>business.
>The government has thus violated the first ammendment, and your ISP
>has committed an illegal act by complying.
>Just like the stupid democrat laws that made gun manufacturers responsible
>if a crack addict kills someone with a gun. Their aim was to violate the
>constitution, which guarantees your right to own a gun.
First of all, it is an extremely interesting subject by itself.
Now, to have a RIGHT to own a gun
at the constitutional level
is simply obscene.
What do you do with the gun?
Brush your teeth?
Why would there be a need to have a constitutional
RIGHT regarding the issues of this kind?
It has become one of the MOST inflamed issues
in the entire history of that country.
What is constitution on the first place?
Constitution is a document,
outlining the MOST funamental principles,
guiding a society.
Thus, introducing the murder into a constituion
simply creates a havoc and basically makes that
very society a society of AUTHORIZED killers,
no matter who kills what, when and why.
Not only that, but I recall seeing at least
3 different cases where weapons are mentioned
in the constitution.
Out of how many total articles?
So, a SUBSTANTIAL part of that constitution
is concerned with that?
Well, with KILLING.
Guns are there for what?
To have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT?
You must be out of active neurons on line.
Where in the constituion there are provisions
for love, peace, harmony, gratitude?
Where is the RIGHT to eat,
RIGHT to have a shelter,
RIGHT to have clothes?
And if there are ANY rights,
those are the MOST fundamental rights
you can imagine.
Because they are the BASIC NEEDS.
Not just some luxury
or fuss of fasion.
Where is the right NOT to be killed?
Yes, there are some things in that constitution
that limit the pervasive role of goverment
and make some basic provisions.
But to have the RIGHT to "pursue happiness"?
Is simply obscene.
How do you define happiness?
According to what set of criterias?
Give me a copy of that constituion.
We'll go through it with the fine comb,
the Socrates and Osho style,
the Krishnamurti style,
the style of the biggest giants,
who ever walked this planet Earth,
abused to the hilt.
Fuck all this chicken shit.
> By putting such
>pressure on gun manufacturers,
Producing the VERY tools of murder.
Why are you so obsceesed
and so protective of the very tool of murder,
you violent monster?
Why aren't you interested in love,
gratitude, peace, joy, creativity,
art?
Why,
you MOST destructive thing alive?
> it becomes more difficult for you to own
>a gun.
For what?
Oh, the "fun" of "sports" of KILLING?
One more time:
What do you do with the gun,
you pervert,
but to KILL,
be it other forms of life,
or your own?
> Your rights
Fuck THOSE "rights".
Those are but delusions,
created in the context of certain historical settings,
and the SUBSTANTIAL contribution to the constition
is made by whom?
Well...
The same devil worshippers, Freemasons,
the secretive cult,
SQUARELY responsible
for the global environmental collapse fortcoming,
and PLENTY of other things,
controlling the VAST empires.
A VERY substantial part of the presidents
where who?
Well, the same Freemasons.
Who was that blood boiling, mafia protecting
Hoover sucking machine,
a disgrace to his own nation
and the HIGHEST symbol of his own land?
Well, a Freemason.
Who was at the head of the commision,
investigating the murder of Kennedy?
Well, the Freemason again.
Warren commission.
And what did they find?
OBVIOUSLY, NOTHING.
WHO became the next president
once Kennedy was dead?
Guess?
A Freemason.
What is written on the back of a dollar bill?
Have ANY sucking clues, idiot?
Well "Novus Ordum Seclorum".
You know what THAT is?
Well, translating from Latin,
NEW WORLD ORDER,
you donkey ass.
WHO was the one to pronounce the concept
of the "new world order"?
Well, the father of this idiot,
sitting in the house of delsion,
Bush, the senior.
WHO is that dude?
Well, a 2nd derivative Freemason.
Who else?
WHERE did he get this idea of "new world order"
and why it was proclaimed by him at that junction?
Guess, suckazoid.
Well, because by that time,
the military machine of united sucking states,
the evillest empire on the planet Earth,
who started more wars since the WWII
than all the other countries in the world,
has gain such a tremendous advantage,
that no matter what other countries do or think,
they will simply HAVE to submit to that empire of evil.
Talking about the term "evil empire".
WHO created that idea?
Well, the Reganoid, who else?
WHO was Reganoid?
Well, the HONOR 33 degree Freemason,
the HIGHEST degree there is.
WHY was he given that degree?
Well, according to a version by those
very Freemasons, for "long standing cooperation"
and the shit of THAT grade.
Back to Bushes.
WHO was the father of Bush, the senior?
Well, Prescot Bush,
one of the MOST radical Freemasons
you can imagine in your WILDEST dreams.
Back to a dollar bill.
What is "new world order"?
Well, a Masconic concept,
a symbol.
Now, what is a symbol, written
on a BLACK flag on the BIGGEST nuclear
submarines there are?
Well, skull and bones!
WHAT!
You know what skull and bones is,
you donkey ass?
Well, it is a Masonic symbol,
symbol of death.
Now, WHY would ANYONE in their clear mind
put such a horrendous symbol
on totally black background
on the biggest destructive killing machines?
WHY?
WHO put that symbol there?
Uhu.
Tell me about it.
Now, why didn't they put their own symbol,
the HIGHEST symbol there is in that land,
the Eagle, the symbol of FREEDOM?
WHY?
Why didn't they simply put their own flag,
the flag of their country on those machine
of HORRENDOUS destruction?
Well, guess, suxy.
Simple.
To TOTALLY desensetize those fools
and bio-robots, operating that machine,
to the very concept of ULTIMATE horror.
Once you look at that flag for a couple
of times, you can not help,
but to become TOTALLY desensitized
to the very notion of death,
which is the MOST desirable thing to do,
in order to LITERALLY brainwash you
and convert you to a bio-robot,
obidiently and unquetionably following
the instructions of...
The fucknen Freemasons, dummy.
The symbology of Fremasonry
is one of the most powerful things there is.
You can not even BEGIN to comprehend
the impact of it on your subconscious motivations.
Interestingly enough,
there is a skull and bones
fraternity in one of your most prestigious
educational institutions, the Yale University,
supplying the new blood
to the hose of the white mouse.
Now, you know how many Masonic symbols
are there on a dollar bill?
Guess?
Well, it is ALL OVER it.
The entire back side,
and VERY interestingly,
the BACK side,
is what?
It is a Masonic symbology,
written on EVERY SINGLE symbol.
Now, do you, suckazoid, know what kind
of symbol is written on EVERY SINGLE bar code,
currently used?
Guess.
It is 666,
the sign of the beast.
The first 2 thin lines are 6.
The last 2 think lines are 6.
The middle 2 thin lines is another 6.
Who is the beast?
Well, the one who sucks your energy,
just like yourself
and all these totalitarian dictators
and usenet mafia here.
Tell me, why Russ Allbery,
the godfather of braiwashing
and the head of department of propaganda
and disinformation
is not answering the question
about what kind of a sybol
is placed instead of his picture
on the Usenet 2 web page with the mugs?
Zo...
You haven't even seen a TIP of the iceberg here.
> have thus been violated by a private corporation.
Hahahahahhaha.
>Anyone who thinks there's no connection between the government and
>corporations is really stupid.
You idiot, your "government" is ran by whom again?
Well, guess, suxy.
How many active neurons on line you gots?
Drop you another lil hint.
VAST number of supreme court judges
where who?
Well, Freemasons again.
You know how many members of goverment
were and are Freemasons
and what kind of committees they held?
Guess.
They control your ass
and will hand it to you
on a silver plate.
Your so called freedoms
are but a puppet show.
You ain't got any.
What you have left is this:
Money = god,
and god = money.
"Either I suck YOUR blood,
or you suck mine.
There is just no other way."
Democracy?
Hahahahahahahaha.
Nope, that thing is done with,
and a long, long time ago.
It has been replaced with:
Suckocracy
and Lickassocracy.
That is ALL they are doing here on usenet.
Haven't you noticed?
How many active neurons you gots
in that cockpit of yours?
I bet the equivalent intelligence
is on the par with about 15 neurons.
Because...
Well, go figure it out yoruself.
>Why do you think the US government is taking actions to keep foreign
>companies out of the US? For our benefit? For the benefit off the
>economy? BULLSHIT.
It is called fredom to suck unlimited.
Ever heard?
>They do it because they don't have as much control over foreign companies.
What a dummy.
"We control the horizontal.
We control the vertical.
We control the alt delete.
cha cha cha."
Ever heard?
Again, ALT DELETE, dummy,
only if you could comprehend
what kind of a symbol it is.
These totalitarian dictaors and usenet mafia
control the very bloodstream of it all.
>The single aim of the US government is to have the most possible power
>over the most number of people / entities,
COUNTRIES.
Now, since the early sixties,
the planet Earth was divided
into these lil squares.
Who do you think OWNS those squares?
Guess.
Mind you, this information comes from
some of very nicely sitting dudes,
WAY up there.
> because that's the only way that
>they can enforce all their policies.
When are you going to realize
that you are smack in the middle
of the most perverted version,
called suckitalizm?
Now, the former German chancellor,
one of the MOST brilliant and honest politicians
that ever walked this planet, said what?
"The modern corporate structure
is the world of corporat beasts of prey".
You comprehende?
Decoding: Eating each other
and extracting their BIGGEST "joy"
of perversion.
What is about the BIGGEST joy
in the corporate world?
Well, to see you "competition" eaten up.
GREAT "progress".
Destruction and anihilation
is programmed right smack in the middle
of that CPU between your ears.
"When the value of the paper
exceeds 50 times the value of the
shit, that paper covers,
then what you have
is a GLOBAL madness".
That was slightly paraphrased.
The value of your commercial enterprises
is but 2% of the value of the paper
covering it.
You are simply BOUND to self-destruct.
It is simply inevitable.
One more time:
I have claimed a while back
that NASDAQ is to go back down to 1500.
That was when it was about 4000.
Because even at 1500 it is overvalued.
What these Freemasons hold on their hands,
thinking of VAST empires of gold,
is but the dust.
One more time:
The NASDAQ is to go down to 1500.
That is the BEST that can be done.
It isn't even worh that much.
From now on, you will begin to see things,
you could not even have comprehended
in your WILDEST dreams.
A VERY unfortunate circumstance.
But...
Being the obscessed perverts you are,
craving for anihilation, totitarianism
and fascism, ruling this planet Earth,
abused to the hilt,
there simply is no other way.
I have also said
that if within the next 3 years
the global environmental situation
will be the same as it was in the last
3 years then...
Guess.
Then it implies...
That you entered a RAPID, exponential
decay cycle, pretty much the same thing
as commonly known as "useful life time of a product".
Even from the purely statistical point of view,
that will indicate such a density of global
environmental disasters,
that...
That within but few years...
The planet Earth will be ruled by...
Whom do you think?
That fuehrer David Lawrence?
Russ Allbery, the godfater?
That fat, blood boiling parasite,
jesse with the helm
and a nukelar
[yes, that is how it is nowadays spelled
by the TOP echelon of your "government"
and military]
bomb up his ass?
Tell ya one thing.
Don't let that foaming, one of the most
destructive perverts alive,
ever fart,
because that will be the end of life
on the planet Earth.
Thus spake Acharya Veeren
a self appointed council of Osho,
poisoned by the evillest empire of all,
on the subjects of arts and sciences
on this day
of July 19 of the year 2001
since the time of Jesus Cristo,
who came to give you his heart,
and ended up being nailed
to a piece of wood.
nucleus
wrote:
Rats.
LITERALLY.
The amount of deseases will be unseen before
as droughts and floods will spring to life
VAST quantities of all sorts of parasitic
species.
So vast, you can not begin to imagine.
There was an idiot box show
where some of the leading environmental scientists,
using the most advanced tools and techiniques available,
made certain predictions.
They predictions are simple enough.
By the year 2018,
the planet Earth will look like
all the nuclear weapons have exploded
simultaneously.
The temperatures will be such
that those, still alive,
and there will be not many left,
will be like walking zombies,
not having enough will power
to even comprehend the idea
of commiting suicide
just to end that tremendous suffering.
One nice shot from that show
shows the empire sucking state building
in New York city
with the huge hole in the middle of it,
looking like the Egyptian piramids,
so devastated it is.
One of the moremost physicist in the world
made the most obvious calculation
and stated during his predidential speech
on the "next 100 years".
According to that calculation
in just 2 generations
the population of the planet Earth
will...
QUADRUPLE.
Interestingly enough,
the same fool claimed
that things will get very rosy.
Robots will be running around
with plastic smiles
and everyone will be sitting
and watching their idiot boxes,
doing nothing.
Great!
The only lil problem he has
is what I claim the "next 3 years" factor.
Even at THIS junction
you are already seeing the unsastainable
level of global environmental disasters.
Very soon, the first Masonic empire will fall.
VERY soon.
Which empire is that do you think?
Well, give ya a hint,
it is the empire,
you think is giving you all the
guarantees
in case of emergency.
Thus, you very hope
to live in any place,
but the dump,
is to go down the drain,
and withing the years,
you can count on the fingers
of your hands.
Guess how many hands you have to use?
One more time:
1500 on NASDAQ
is the BEST you are worth,
and stretching it as far as you can imagine.
That is simply a grace.
If NASDAQ goes back to 4000 level
within the next several years,
then...
Then...
Then count you days.
Finally, usenet mafia sux
and sux profoundly.
Usenet totalitarian dictators suck
and suck as good, as it gets.
The whole big-sucking-8 sucks
and sucks in the most profound ways,
suffocating usenet as a whole
with this "big-8 excuse".
These "spam fighters" suck,
and suck as good, as a black hole.
The news.grupies suck
and suck as blood sucking parasites,
hoping to inherit the thorone of "power",
just to devour.
The usenet is converted from PURE domain of free speech
to PURE domain of totalitarian dictatorship
and fascism, dominated by the pure blooded Aryan race
of superior beings.
Zig heil!
nucleus
<h0plib...@NOSPAMPLEACEOKhotmail.com> wrote:
>> cross-sections. That is not subject to debate here. I like others
>> will give up UPA when they pry the keyboard from my dead cold fingers.
>>
>> fucking business and/or use filters has done over the years when it
>> comes to bandwidth? What's easier for your server to eat: 1000
>> complete posts telling you where you can see Britney Spears blowing a
>> gorilla or where to get Xenical & Viagra without a prescription, or 50
>> messages only slightly larger because they were crossposted to 20
>> newsgroups?
>>
>> than the average marketing person to begin with, it is just easier to
>> pump out 20 spam posts. With the spammers, I figure it's like handing
>> out condoms in schools because they're going to do it anyways.
>
>*cleaning* up the net.
Not cleaning up, but anihilating everything
that does not fit their agenda.
These are virtual terrorists destroying your freedom,
Basic Human Rights, and democracy as such.
>Spam is never going to disappear, but it makes a great excuse for one to
>deputize themselves as post cancelers.
>*I* will decide for myself what I will and will not read.
>
>> Truth
>> is, it is consequently easier for the cancelbot operators too. I
>> remember seeing enough ads for sex drugs and rocknroll crossposted to
>> 10 groups at one time in the past to think 7 out of 10 spammers are
>> too lazy or paranoid to take the extra time to do a one to a group EMP
>> and even more didn't consider the tactical advantage of it because of
>> the extra work it makes for the cancelbots.
>
>I wonder how many *real* posts get canceled, versus true spam posts.
>
>> The fuck chops can use all the h/c/p/v skills and Dick Nixon-type
>> dirty tricks in the book and the spammers are still going to do the
>> deed. With the problems a small portion of the fuck chops create, I
>> could understand the willingness of a server admin someplace to gladly
>> "accidentially" punch a hole in the firewall or diddle some
>> configuration files for a few hours in the middle of a shift in
>> exchange for a few $50 bills in an envelope from some porno or
>> pharmaceutical kingpin. Hell, I think they've been, as the Sicilians
>> say, wetting a little bird's beak by sending money to at least one in
>> six of the regulars of news.* and alt.config for years.
>
>Right now, there's a strong movement afoot to try and reign in
>UsNet'ters that have a politically incorrect agenda.
>
>Slowly and surely, while the majority of UseNet community sticks their
>head in the sand, we're starting to see successful controlling of the
>so-called anarchistic alt* hierarchy, the changes are subtle but
>constant.
>
>I've never known censors to reach a point where they announce that a
>comfort level of control has been reached, I guess we'll have to wait
>until Rome starts burning before something gets done.
nucleus
>nucleus wrote:
>
>>>INN 2.3.x.
>
>>Oh, that fascist piece of news server code,
>>custom made according to desires of
>>US military and intelligence
>
>INN is hardly an American product. It currently has maintainers in the
>UK, Japan and US, with contributors in many more places than that; and the
>primary maintainer before the current crew was in France.
This is something new.
My understanding is that INN is maintained by ISC,
Internet Software Consortium. Specifically by Russ Allbery.
Since the source code is open,
there may be many others "mainaining" it,
but this is the same as someone elses version
of Linux kernel.
I can also claim I "maintain" the Linux kernel,
or even that very INN.
How much credit such maintainers would get?
>>to facilitate MAXIMUM amount
>>of user tracking, censorship,
>>totalitarianism,
>>providing hooks for the time
>>of global Electronic Warfare?
>
>That is the nature of all open source software.
Nope. Nothing even CLOSE to it.
Just because the source code is open,
it does not imply you put in the most pervasive
combination of tricks to maximize user tracking
and custom tailor functionality to maximize
totalitarianism, tightening and things like that.
> If the world at large is
>allowed to see and modify the source code, it can use it for dubious
purposes.
Funkay logic.
I am not talking about any customized version of INN,
but the one "officially" available via "authorized"
"maintainers".
>Hiding the sources would not change this very much, as users of modified
>variations of Forte Agent can verify.
What are you talking about here?
>>Now, how many tricks are custom built-in
>>into that piece of evil empire code
>
>Why not download the source code, see for yourself, and tell us?
I don't even need to look at the source code.
I can see the effects of it in action.
What is NNTP-Posting host field?
What is it for?
ANY idea?
Well, to MAXIMIZE USER tracking and identification.
Here goes your privacy.
With that sinlge piece of information,
you can be traced within seconds with minimal assistance
from your ISP.
I have seeen Typhoon server headers and they do not contain
the NNTP posting host.
What is the ability to minimize the number of cross-posts
down to 1?
Well, censorship in PURE sense.
Someone else rather than writer is controlling how many
places the publication is going out to.
Stupid essentially because you can simply post the same
post individually to several groups. The only thing it
achieves is to fragment a discussion. If you crosspost
your article to servarl related groups, you would have
to track all the individual followups on your post.
What is the purpose of this functionality again?
Well, domination and oppression.
Nothing else.
On what basis your INN can prevent you from posting
"Approved:" header?
Well, to facilitate censorship and totalitarianism again.
It allows only "authorized" group "owners" as defined by
these perverts, usenet mafia, those totalitarian censors,
to "approve" the articles.
The very concept of group "ownership" on usenet goes
smack against all the most dearly held traditions.
Furthermore, 90% of all "moderated" groups, "owned"
by those blood boiling censors, are taken over in place.
Thus, no uncensored version of this group can exist.
This is but a miniscule set of "features" of INN.
I bet just looking at INN configuration files
you'll find PLENTY of hidden tricks and traps.
Now, with these kinds of "features", being the usenet mafia,
you can force ANY news admin to enable or disable ANYTHING
YOU want, just as they done in case of news.ukr.net,
threatening them via their uplink with virtual terrorism
and disconnection from usenet.
You need EVIDENCE?
> [I am
>assuming here, given your keen interest in AI, that you are familiar
>with reading program code. Is that a safe assumption?] If you see
>particular problems and can offer a better way to handle them, concrete
>suggestions for improvement are always of interest.
Not necessarily.
The news admins, participating on news.* groups
are those very totalitarian dictators and the same
usenet mafia clique.
Talking to them is not only futile, but what you are going
to get back is harassments, insults and redicule.
These totalitarian dictators are so drunk with power
and megalomania, that they literally think they own
the usenet as such and can do ANYTHING THEY please.
But...
They represent but a miniscule part of news admins worldwide.
In order to return usenet back to public,
you'd have to waste years, organizing and emailing
to all the news admins worldwide
and bringing their attention to these AUTOMATED
tricks of totalitarian dictatorship built right into
their news servers.
That is the VERY trick of it all.
Even if current clique of dictators just dissapears,
what you have left is a GIANT system of automated
totalitarianism.
The big-8 will simply freeze.
That is the WHOLE point.
During these years, it has come to its ultimate
fruition of TOTAL domination, built right into
your news server code and NNTP protocols.
Russ Allbery is one of preetty active participants
in news.software.nntp group, forver proposing
the new tricks of control, domination and oppression,
identification, limitation and totalitarianism.
Looking at archives of that group,
your hair will raise,
if you comprehend what has been done ALREADY.
Even at this moment, they are looking at ways
to make NNTP posting host TOTALLY reliable.
For what?
Are they from military or intelligence?
Oh, that trick of "net abuse" again?
Here:
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad0.htm
[...]
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad5.htm
Quote:
* Presence: 3-space-- Stationing troops overseas/ Net.War--
making manifest oneself as anti-Spammer to Usenet, Web
End of quote.
Do you see what is says?
MANIFEST onself as "anti-spammer", a trick a decoy,
a deceit.
http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad2.htm
Quote:
Net.War Planning: The End is the Beginning
[...]
* publicly identified, up to and including home phone number and
favorite sex toy
* humiliated, especially when done publicly so as
to serve as an example (deterrent) to others
* kicked off of his or her internet access
* drawn, quartered, hanged, sliced, diced and julienne fried.
End of quote.
---------------------------- quote begin -------------------------
"To Serve And Reject"
EQUALIZER TO THE MASSES
[...]
DON'T TREAD ON THEE
"...it is the responsibility of anyone with a modem and a dialup
account...promptly to SPANK,
manhandle and humiliate they who do, write, drool and encourage things
ill on the Internet."
..if you can't take a joke, we'll make your butt smoke!
---------------------------- end of quote -------------------------
THAT is what all these "net heroes" are all about.
> Vague accusations,
>on the other hand, are not only useless but serve to drive away the
>attention of the very peopel who are in a position to do something with
>such suggestions.
Depends on how corrupt you are and whose purposes you serve.
>(Chances are pretty good that the flooding has already cost you most or
>all potential credibility, but if you do have anything useful to offer,
>do at least put the offer on the table.)
What are you fabricating here?
Making "flooding" out of reposts?
Making a particular statement look like "flooding"?
Cancelling the totalitarian crap
just as they do every single second
of every single day?
You ARE a pervert and fabricator of lies.
That much is certain.
Now you are sitting here, trying to discredit someone,
even though the issues are as clear, as it gets.
>>to take away as much of your freedom,
>>as you can imagine
>
>How does software that comes with _all_ the source code take away freedom?
Enough of this totalitarian crap.
End of input.
>Everyone running that package has unfettered access to the details of
>its operation, as well as the freedom to ensure that any features feared
>to limit freedom are not and cannot be enabled.
>
>>and as much of your privacy,
>>as you can not imagine
>
>It is odd that you would choose to pick on INN for this. As shipped, the
>package very conspicuously omits from its logs most details about who reads
>what articles. On the posting side, the hooks provided for the time of
>global Electronic Warfare make it simple for a server to hide details
>of where the article originated, thereby protecting privacy.
>
>>even in your wildest drems?
>
>Even in my wildest dreams the fascist suckazoid bio-robots are not hunting
>me down.
nucleus
spam.constitutes.a...@pc-gamereview.com (Morely Dotes) wrote:
>That's the auto-moderation bot which Hipcrime is using to mailbomb-by-proxy;
Fabricating again?
>according to Peter Radcliffe, you shoul shut up and eat your spam, becasue
>that isn't happening.
>He said so, and since he's God,
Zig heil!
> it must be true.
>I do not like having my job trivialized by some weak-minded
>spam-apologist.
>- Caveman Og, in reference to Jamie McCarthy of /.
Another self-promoting virtual terrorist,
trying to capitalize on the "spam" thing?
What is your definition of "spam"?
ANYTHING that suits your agenda?
>He's the reason that TUFTS.EDU and PIR.NET are nullrouted at my borders, too.
>
>In article <3B5728D6...@xs4all.nl>, Jeroen Wijnands
><jeroen....@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>Anybody care to explain what the hell this is?
>>
>>TIA!
>>
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>>From: bofh...@mow.physik.uni-bremen.de
>>Reply-to: bofh...@taronga.com
>>X-bot-version: 1.15
>>To: Jeroen Wijnands <jeroen....@xs4all.nl>
>>Subject: Article <39FA8702...@xs4all.nl> cancelled by bofh-bot.
>> Was: The weird unlimited passive UDPs rigidly disrupt as the closed
>>routers destroy.
>>X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P336D0.CNM
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>>This is an automatic response. Do not be alarmed.
>>
>>The BOFH-bot cancelled your message <39FA8702...@xs4all.nl>
>>because:
>>
>> Crosspost to BOFH-net and 'news.admin.net-abuse.email'
>>
>>This is a simple mechanical cleanup of the BOFH-net,
>>and there is no malice intended towards any specific
>>induhvidual.
>>
>>The BOFH-bot hates *all* lusers equally.
>>
>>Oh, here's your message headers:
>>
>>Path:
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plig
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>>net!newsgate.cistron.nl!transit.news.xs4all.nl!newszilla.xs4all.
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>l
>>Message-ID: <39FA8702...@xs4all.nl>
>>From: Jeroen Wijnands <jeroen....@xs4all.nl>
>>Subject: The weird unlimited passive UDPs rigidly disrupt as the closed
>>routers destroy.
>>Newsgroups: bofh.general,news.admin.net-abuse.email
>>Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:40:30 GMT
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>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.84.12.134
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>>news.admin.net-abuse.email:417883
>>
>>--end quote--
>--
>I do not like having my job trivialized by some weak-minded
>spam-apologist.
>- Caveman Og, in reference to Jamie McCarthy of /.
nucleus
(Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to Brian {Hamilton Kelly} <postm...@dsl.co.uk>:
>> Which gets me back to my original query: WHY are the cancelbots
>> apparently not working against these spammers in those hierarchies,
>> whilst (as it was claimed) doing a good job[1] in the Big-8?
>
>They are working against spammers in those hierarchies. Go look at
>news.lists.filters and see how much of it is in alt.
>
>Consider:
>
>Something like 95+% of _all_ spam is in alt. So, you'd need a factor
>of 20 better filtering/detecting to get the same visible effect in alt
>as you do in the big 8.
>
>Due to the nature of how alt groups are created, there are literally hundreds
>of thousands of them (ie: that whole sub-hierarchy where they spelled
>"binaries" wrong). No site has "caught" the group creation messages
>for all of them. Unlike the big 8, alt doesn't have the equivalent of
>a checkgroups posted either.
>
>So in many cases, the despammers don't get the groups and can't despam them.
Not despammers, but virtual terrorists,
advancing their own agenda,
censoring ANYTHING that fit THEIR perverted
self-advancing agenda,
capitalizing on this "spam" thing.
Now, that pevert Andrew Gierth,
aka the fuehrer of uk.* hierarchy,
is not only "despamming" "his own" hierarchy,
but doing it on ANY hierarchy he wants.
Perversion knows no limits.
>In our case, our alt feed is highly limited. Can't despam something my
>feed doesn't get.
WHO asked you to "despam" ANYTHING,
you virtual terrorist?
>> One is left with the impression that the anti-spammers feel that it is
> beneath
>> their dignity to clean up in those areas.
>
>Most of the broad-spectrum despammers
BROAD-SPECTRUM?
Hahahahahahaha.
You mean those OBVIOUS criminals,
mass forging the cancel messages,
terrorising the whole of usenet?
> (I'm no longer one of them) spend the
>vast majority of their time dealing with alt spam.
>> [1] Not that good: there's a spew of 5--10 "penis enlargement" spams
>> across some comp.* and news.* groups today, together with most of the
>> uk.* hierarchy.
>
>One spam. Whoopie ;-) Go look at any alt.binaries group on a filtered
>and unfiltered system and compare them.
One more time: how many perverctly valid articles,
not classifiable as "spam" by ANY means,
you, perverts and virtual terrorists anihilate
every single day?
What is your interest in this whole "spam" thing again?
Did usenet users at large voted on you,
mass cancelling anyting you like,
on their behalf?
Any lawful authority appointed you?
Any court authorized you?
Do you believe in legal system
and a law as ultimate tool to maintain the "order"?
nucleus
<and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>This is a report of cancel messages received between the dates
>specified.
[As presented by the biggest virtual terorist
on usenet, Andrew Gierth, who, among other things,
provides PERSONAL "protection" to the fascist
censor David Kinny, who took over the comp.ai
hierarchy, one of the oldest public groups around.
]
>Entries marked (*) are included in calculations of spam sources (which
>are now in a separate report).
>
>This report was posted automatically, and the data it was drawn from
>may or may not have been manually reviewed.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Cancel statistics for 11th - 17th Jul 2001
>
>Total number of cancels examined: 530411
>
>Properly formatted spam-cancels: 465225 (457327 trusted)
> 188039 and...@erlenstar.demon.co.uk (*)
> 115774 mbur...@iol.ie (*)
> 79764 cosmo.roadkill%bofh...@rauug.mil.wi.us (*)
> 43774 how...@cts.com (*)
> 23132 cle...@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (*)
> 3139 j...@suespammers.org (*)
> 2986 s...@anthologeek.net (*)
> 2652 retr...@abnt.org
> 1351 man...@stellar.co.jp
> 829 canc...@news.adm.arena.pl
> 719 o...@iki.fi (*)
> 447 canc...@news.nic.it
> 236 cdp...@jupiter.kaist.ac.kr
> 230 r...@adm.usenet.pl
> 206 canc...@cabal.at
> 204 ne...@tigerden.com
> 159 go...@gortham.com
> 108 cnew...@bigfoot.com
> 96 abn...@usa.net
> 83 canc...@news.mimuw.edu.pl
> 83 na...@stockholm.ptloma.edu
> 78 step...@asynchrone.net
> 57 in...@technostar.ru
> 55 use...@news.kigam.re.kr
> 46 u...@akk.org
> 32 in...@erem.ru
> 28 not-fo...@jaring.my
> 26 nl-c...@news.a3.xs4all.nl
> 25 canc...@mycro.net
> 18 bo...@efrei.fr
> 15 canc...@mailtraq.net
> 14 rjku...@ix.netcom.com
> 11 ne...@t-online.com
> 10 rhuntley@holidayjunctionREMOVE_THIS.com
> 10 jla...@sympatico.ca
> 8 ed...@xenitec.on.ca
> 8 btsy...@yahoo.com
> 7 irc...@netscape.net
> 7 ne...@unicom.com
> 6 cbel...@redshark.techops.verio.net
> 6 wkro...@sunstroke.sdsu.edu
> 5 jkav...@rci.rogers.com
> 5 12...@home.com
> 5 ogil...@delanotech.com
> 5 eq...@freenet.carleton.ca
> 5 leathalpr...@home.com
> 5 cot...@home.com
> 5 d_d...@videotron.ca
> 5 noty...@bigfoot.com
> 5 s...@sig.file
> 5 hen...@enyo.de
> 4 kasipp...@home.com
> 4 maui...@hotmail.com
> 4 badtot...@badact.com
> 4 psc...@sympatico.ca
> 4 h-t...@home.com
> 4 "Dr. Scott"@medstaff.uchshc.com
> 4 so...@supportsoho.com
> 4 chreme...@home.com
> 4 scott.l...@home.com
> 4 gte...@home.com
> 4 ia...@naijanetworks.com
> 3 think...@dlcwest.com
> 3 ala...@hotmail.com
> 3 blk...@home.com
> 3 ma...@mail.com
> 3 markt...@mediaone.net
> 3 p3v...@hotmail.com
> 3 chriscr...@home.com
> 3 man...@ns.sympatico.ca
> 3 mlu...@home.com
> 3 fred...@yahoo.com
> 3 stan...@e46toronto.com
> 3 sa...@ultravista.com
> 3 jayb...@yahoo.com
> 3 bazy...@home.com
> 3 lsw...@sympatico.ca
> 3 dvs...@on.aibn.com
> 3 foc...@dork.com
> 3 bon...@zzjob.com
> 3 moor...@home.com
> 3 doc_t...@my-deja.comDELETE2MAIL-NO-SPAM
> 3 aa...@freenet.carleton.ca
> 3 dav...@canada.sun.com
> 3 jo...@tcn.net
> 3 sti...@home.com
> 3 andr...@sympatico.ca
> 3 rc...@yahoo-nospam.com
> 2 flyc...@interlog.com
> 2 acidr...@hotmail.com
> 2 jpl...@freedomparty.org
> 2 zama...@sympatico.ca
> 2 skh...@cisco.com
> 2 dazed8c...@hotmail.com
> 2 for...@nuaim.com
> 2 seku...@attcanada.ca
> 2 ne...@medelec.uia.ac.be
> 2 ne...@germany.net
> 2 ml...@hotmail.com
> 2 ink...@yahoo.com
> 2 bpa...@sprint.ca
> 2 ce...@sympatico.ca
> 2 yz...@hotmail.com
> 2 g_go...@hotmail.com
> 2 c...@sympatico.ca
> 2 acti...@mail.com
> 2 ui...@vinf.ru
> 2 bybliz...@home.com
> 2 huin...@aol.com
> 2 col...@email.com
> 2 slo...@mac.com
> 2 mach...@bellsouth.net
> 2 shawn.ma...@home.com
> 2 thepr...@prophetsSPAMSUCKSplace.com
> 2 in...@siskosystems.com
> 2 trcwho...@aol.com
> 2 kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org
> 2 bpet...@accesscable.net
> 2 cus...@mountaincable.net
> 2 sha...@dusk.com
> 2 toront...@yahoo.com
> 2 theco...@home.com
> 2 durh...@yahoo.com
> 2 ko...@sympatico.ca
> 2 andr...@home.com
> 2 le...@idirect.ca
> 2 mixm...@remailer.segfault.net
> 2 scott_n...@yahoo.ca
> 2 ke...@kentest1.bidcon.net
> 2 in...@staplescabinetmakers.com
> 2 sun...@hotmail.com
> 2 abeh...@yahoo.com
> 2 jasc...@yahoo.com
> 2 2tw...@home.com
> 2 mac...@total.net
> 2 chan...@alphanet.ch
> 2 ed-n...@jem.dhs.org
> 2 Icono...@home.com
> 2 kcpl...@yahoo.com
> 2 fsm...@bcpl.net
> 2 neilau...@sympatico.ca
> 2 adabe...@home.com
> 2 gnit...@netcologne.de
> 2 reu...@outgun.com
> 1 callm...@home.com
> 1 mira...@yahoo.com
> 1 rob...@ntl.sympatico.ca
> 1 sylv...@collegeclub.com
> 1 no...@IcantAffordOne.com
> 1 mat...@mindspring.com
> 1 n...@here.com
> 1 kee...@hotmail.com
> 1 millio...@hotmail.comNoSpam
> 1 wood...@strom.com
> 1 kal...@home.com
> 1 mof...@hotmail.com
> 1 sup...@aiattendant.com
> 1 jagna...@hotmail.com
> 1 clape...@QQQcyberus.ca
> 1 Toronto-G...@home.com
> 1 tc...@yahoo.com
> 1 on...@sympatico.ca
> 1 justin...@home.com
> 1 f...@on.aibn.com
> 1 jd_...@SPAMhotmail.com
> 1 san...@worldnet.att.net
> 1 ci...@on.aibn.com
> 1 johnsh...@yahoo.com
> 1 norcrosscons...@home.com
> 1 7h3_Fr13nd1y...@salmahayeksknockers.edu
> 1 rthom...@aol.com
> 1 j...@jwanet.net
> 1 sho...@psu.edu
> 1 nos...@tom.com
> 1 mi...@milo.com
> 1 rmcmi...@Home.com
> 1 acwl...@hotmail.com
> 1 wallf...@lycos.com
> 1 iste...@0.net
> 1 tech...@cybortex.com
> 1 mo...@home.com
> 1 wjbr...@sympatico.ca
> 1 darks...@home.com
> 1 alan_...@yahoo.com
> 1 ma...@hotmail.com
> 1 sh...@abertay.ac.uk
> 1 swami...@hotmail.com
> 1 rob...@hotmail.com
> 1 sa...@hoSPAMLESSme.com
> 1 cn...@yahoo.com
> 1 hugh...@mailcity.com
> 1 pjst...@hotmail.com
> 1 mgfer...@home.com
> 1 jchen...@home.com
> 1 sa...@mycableshop.com
> 1 Rudie....@nrc.ca
> 1 dart...@hotmail.com
> 1 sg...@home.com
> 1 gcla...@home.com
> 1 andrew...@maplemusic.com
> 1 e...@sales.com
> 1 ca...@ott.housing.home.f3d.com
> 1 patrici...@prodigy.net
> 1 d...@ukr.net
> 1 mypubl...@yahoo.com
> 1 lan....@nameNoSpam.net
> 1 c...@ehmail.com
> 1 great4b...@yahoo.com
> 1 rud...@unibase.com
> 1 tem...@vplayground.com
> 1 bjm-van...@phreeow.net
> 1 nos...@hotmail.com
> 1 john...@hotmail.com
> 1 Chi...@the.Farm
> 1 kth...@telusplanet.net
> 1 fu...@spamers.com
> 1 YOURSHOESb...@cadvision.com
> 1 test...@hushmail.com
> 1 sat-t...@home.com
> 1 str...@email.dp.ua
> 1 for...@nuaimi.com
> 1 dona...@durham.net
> 1 nob...@dizum.com
> 1 dz...@home.com
> 1 thebi...@sympatico.ca
> 1 wonder...@yahoo.com
> 1 foss...@NOSPAMhome.com
> 1 hu...@badact.com
> 1 forres...@home.com
> 1 donw....@sympatico.ca
> 1 simon...@NOMORESPAMglobalserve.net
> 1 acew...@aol.com
> 1 hila...@block.lightspeed.ca
> 1 jus...@guess.com
> 1 humej@NOSPAM_home.com
> 1 d...@NOSPAMPLEASE.goodmedia.com
> 1 rsk...@aei.ca
> 1 mod...@espmail.com
> 1 ferrisx...@hotmail.com
> 1 evil-...@home.com
> 1 i...@sympatico.com
> 1 mikee...@MailAndNews.com
> 1 deez...@home.com
> 1 ryanm...@home.com
> 1 to...@idirect.com
> 1 pat...@excite.com
> 1 pol...@hotmail.com
> 1 wper...@msn.com
> 1 tye...@hotmail.com
> 1 scott_n...@yahoo.com
> 1 www...@home.com
> 1 do...@dot.com
> 1 adma...@yahoo.com
> 1 nob...@remailer.privacy.at
> 1 rast...@hotmail.com
> 1 dalewo...@yahoo.com
> 1 peter...@yahoo.com
> 1 c9...@hotmail.com
> 1 mich...@michelle.org
> 1 cice...@home.com
> 1 jaso...@sympatico.ca
> 1 bfr...@nut.net
> 1 rese...@speedline.ca
> 1 m...@anon.lcs.mit.edu
> 1 zim...@home.com
> 1 Michea...@ooyah.com
> 1 gene...@NOSPAM-sympatico.ca
> 1 r...@nexius.com
> 1 n...@dot.com
> 1 wuf...@home.com
> 1 pa...@digital-house.com
> 1 w...@netrac.com
> 1 fdur...@videotron.com
> 1 mp...@home.com
> 1 t...@nospam.com
> 1 trapi...@hotmail.com
> 1 Vinc...@usa.net
> 1 gi...@citynews.com
> 1 a...@look.ca
> 1 rhend...@interprisesol.com
> 1 1955el...@sympatico.ca
> 1 ko...@ozemail.com.au
> 1 news_w...@hotmail.com
> 1 rock...@home.com
> 1 shoo...@sympatico.ca
> 1 can...@nic.com
> 1 fo...@mail.wplus.net
> 1 va...@rac.ca
> 1 bevki...@hotmail.com
> 1 mar...@home.com
> 1 mali...@my-deja.com
> 1 yu25...@yorku.ca
> 1 ju...@melontraffickers.com
> 1 woo...@canada.com
> 1 theli...@home.com
> 1 big...@provide.net
> 1 ben_...@hotmail.com
> 1 rma...@sympatico.ca
> 1 n...@na.ca
> 1 actio...@cansource.ca
> 1 buyw...@hotmail.com
> 1 nor...@hotmail.com
> 1 damian...@btinternet.com
> 1 tpr...@primus.ca
> 1 emma...@theglobe.com
> 1 su...@wiggly.com
> 1 go...@gortham.com *** bad Sender
> 1 bkot...@webteamone.com
> 1 spa...@yahoo.com
> 1 jpa...@sympatico.ca
> 1 shi...@h0me.nouce.com
> 1 iplon...@aol.com
> 1 not-fo...@hotmail.com
> 1 _antip...@bigpond.com
> 1 djm...@yahoo.com
> 1 ba...@ecn.purdue.edu
> 1 bdes...@sympatico.ca
> 1 re...@home.com
> 1 ian...@home.com
> 1 a...@al.com
> 1 mybusin...@home.com
> 1 wfi...@home.com
> 1 tve...@crosswinds.net
> 1 vip...@mail.com
> 1 merchant...@hotmail.com
> 1 in...@reboot.on.ca
> 1 shil...@ozemail.com.au
> 1 macdixo...@home.com
> 1 ne...@home.com
> 1 cbr...@sympatico.ca
> 1 rep...@my-deja.com
> 1 bl...@home.com
> 1 sa...@mail.com
> 1 Ron...@mail.com
> 1 lo...@dating.vu
> 1 gap...@vcn.bc.ca
> 1 meande...@hotmail.com
> 1 crs...@inforamp.net
> 1 to...@linuxenhancement.com
> 1 rock...@bugger.off.spammers
> 1 webmi...@home.com
>
>Total cancels apparently from originator: 6655
>
>Cancels from known sources: 38138
> 11524 local-tw
> 11258 misc-clewis-floodbot
> 5125 local-clari
> 2839 local-tw-unknown
> 2695 rogue-probably-newsagent
> 2319 rogue-newsagent-2
> 766 misc-preemptive-cancels
> 537 malformed-microsoft
> 529 rogue-hipcrime
> 136 local-milw
> 112 local-net-monitor
> 90 gateway-alt.chinese.text
> 88 moderator-enforcement-annihilator
> 43 local-nf
> 22 retromod-alt.binaries.nospam.teenfem
> 11 local-fur-monitor
> 11 gateway-se-swnet
> 10 local-airnews
> 8 moderator-johnl
> 6 moderator-christnet
> 3 rogue-becker
> 2 malformed-devaughn
> 2 moderator-news.newusers.questions
> 2 alt.sex.cancel
>
>Suspicious cancels from unknown sources: 20659
> 7437 news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail
> 3709 typhoon.mw.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 775 news.uswest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 560 typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 547 news.chello.at!not-for-mail
> 463 news1.cableinet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 352 news.killfile.org!not-for-mail
> 346 nlnews00.chello.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 320 typhoon.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 314 secnews.netscape.com!not-for-mail
> 282 typhoon.kc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 278 ttshnews!tatung
> 273 newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail
> 240 news1.tor.metronet.ca!webster
> 217 amsnews02.chello.com.POSTED!news.chello.com
> 209 torn!webster
> 191 annihilator!nocemed!cyberspam!not-for-mail
> 189 nf1.bellglobal.com!webster
> 161 news1.mntp1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 140 news0.optus.net.au!news.iprimus.com.au
> 130 news.minx.net.uk!SpAmCaNcEl
> 119 dionysos.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 119 nnrp2.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 116 news.pir.net!bofh.bot!not-for-mail
> 99 machin!not-for-mail
> 80 news.nctu.edu.tw!mirrorpost
> 78 telenews.teleline.es!not-for-mail
> 78 news.ismart.net!not-for-mail
> 72 erikbaas.2y.net!not-for-mail
> 71 typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 68 wagner.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 65 news.worldonline.fr!not-for-mail
> 65 news2.ip-mobilphone.net!insidio...@hotmail.com
> 64 newsfeed1.thebiz.net!not-for-mail
> 63 news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 53 iraf!irafmail-gateway
> 52 news.t-online.com!not-for-mail
> 51 annihilator!cyberspam!not-for-mail
> 49 61.165.11.9!not-for-mail
> 49 bofh.it!not-for-mail
> 48 AUTOMOD-venus.telepac.pt!not-for-mail
> 48 news2.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 43 news.cetis.hvu.nl!bofh.bot!not-for-mail
> 40 bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 40 news4.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 40 komodowaran.cis.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail
> 37 bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 37 news.easynews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 34 news.edu.tw!news!ntoucc
> 31 127.0.0.1.MISMATCH!not-for-mail
> 29 cppssbbsa01.microsoft.com!tkmsftngp01
> 29 bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 29 newsserver.pacific.net.sg!news!IP-ADDRESS
> 26 e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 26 209.20.130.44.MISMATCH!news.nwlink.com
> 25 61.165.20.144!not-for-mail
> 25 paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 25 e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 25 open-news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 25 tengri.easynet.fr!not-for-mail
> 24 news.infostrada.it!not-for-mail
> 24 news.soneraplaza.nl!not-for-mail
> 23 rcn!not-for-mail
> 22 wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail
> 22 news.noc.cabal.int!cyberspam!not-for-mail
> 21 news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 21 corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail
> 20 tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp05
> 20 newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 20 newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 19 maredsous.noc.fr.clara.net!cyberspam
> 19 PeerFeed.KWeb.on.ca!dnews
> 19 afrodite.telenet-ops.be!not-for-mail
> 16 news.ipartners.pl!cyberspam
> 16 tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp04
> 15 news02.optonline.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 15 nnrp6.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 15 news.tpi.pl!not-for-mail
> 15 news.alt.net!usenet
> 15 news1.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 14 post.casema.net!not-for-mail
> 14 de.alt.0d-cancel.karlsruhe.org!not-for-mail
> 14 Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 14 rain.i-cable.com!not-for-mail
> 14 news.snafu.de!not-for-mail
> 14 news-f.iadfw.net!usenet
> 13 bofh.sebastian.fl.us!not-for-mail
> 13 news1.rdc1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 12 news1.sttls1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 12 tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp07
> 12 imsp212.netvigator.com!not-for-mail
> 11 xerxes.akallabeth.de!not-for-mail
> 10 tkmsftngp01!tkmsftngp02
> 10 weber.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 10 news1.kornet.net!not-for-mail
> 10 club-internet!not-for-mail
> 9 nctumenews!nctumebbs
> 9 cr1010985-a.rchrd1.on.wave.home.COM!not-for-mail
> 9 news2.rdc1.ab.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 9 novia!not-for-mail
> 9 ash.uu.net!excalibur.gbmtech.net
> 9 news1.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 9 news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 8 news1.rsm1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 8 newsall.dti.ne.jp.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 8 news1.rdc1.az.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 8 news.kolumbus.fi!not-for-mail
> 7 61.165.53.151!not-for-mail
> 7 news2.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 7 atnet.at!not-for-mail
> 7 nctumsnews!Cinderella
> 7 news.rwth-aachen.de!not-for-mail
> 7 61.165.43.70!not-for-mail
> 7 amsnews02.chello.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 7 read2.inet.fi.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 7 news.koti.tpo.fi!not-for-mail
> 7 news.fe.internet.bosch.de!not-for-mail
> 7 corp.supernews.co.uk!not-for-mail
> 7 news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 6 news.castel.nl!not-for-mail
> 6 nnrp5.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 6 news.fur.com!not-for-mail
> 6 news1.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 6 nl-news.euro.net!not-for-mail
> 6 news1.rdc2.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 6 news.cyf-kr.edu.pl!not-for-mail
> 6 news2.ip-mobilphone.net!nob...@usenet-replayer.de
> 6 snopp!BORG
> 6 typhoon2.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 6 shamash!not-for-mail
> 5 <itsme>!newsdotkellebeldotcom
> 5 posterchild2.tiac.net!not-for-mail
> 5 mozo.cc.purdue.edu!not-for-mail
> 5 newsrump.sjc.telocity.net!not-for-mail
> 5 nnrp4.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 5 news.computerville.it!not-for-mail
> 5 squidproxy.mecnet.NET!not-for-mail
> 5 egsner!not-for-mail
> 5 news.mindspring.net!lookin
> 5 news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 5 nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 5 mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!ppp-1-172.cvx4.telinco.net
> 5 news.renault.fr!not-for-mail
> 5 typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 5 mordred.cc.jyu.fi!not-for-mail
> 5 lrz.de!not-for-mail
> 4 uutiset.saunalahti.fi!not-for-mail
> 4 typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 4 news.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua!not-for-mail
> 4 news.csie.ncu.edu.tw!redbbs
> 4 mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com!ppp-2-2.cvx5.telinco.net
> 4 newstoo.ericsson.se!not-for-mail
> 4 65.162.142.71!not-for-mail
> 4 typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 4 reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail
> 4 News.neptune.fr!not-for-mail
> 4 server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail
> 4 newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master
> 4 list.stratagy.com!spam-is-bad
> 4 feeder02.wxs.nl!not-for-mail
> 4 misc.macromedia.com!not-for-mail
> 4 mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU!bounce-back
> 4 news.ikk.sztaki.hu!not-for-mail
> 4 news.clinet.fi!not-for-mail
> 4 nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 4 news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!not-for-mail
> 4 nnrp3.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 e3500-chi1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 news.mindspring.net!slackin
> 3 newsall1.dti.ne.jp!not-for-mail
> 3 louie!not-for-mail
> 3 news1.gvcl1.bc.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!mills
> 3 nreader1.kpnqwest.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 216.95.192.160!not-for-mail
> 3 news.tu-chemnitz.de!not-for-mail
> 3 POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail
> 3 dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 i2unix!not-for-mail
> 3 news.arcor-ip.de!IP-ADDRESS
> 3 news.infoave.net!not-for-mail
> 3 bmerhc5e.ca.nortel.com!not-for-mail
> 3 news.uni-erlangen.de!not-for-mail
> 3 news.mch.sbs.de!not-for-mail
> 3 nnrp1.proxad.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 news1.oke.nextra.no.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 carnaval.risq.qc.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 news.chartertn.net!IP-ADDRESS
> 3 news.mclink.it!not-for-mail
> 3 zwoll1.home.nl.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 news.tu-darmstadt.de!not-for-mail
> 3 transit.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail
> 3 postmaster.news.prodigy.com!not-for-mail
> 3 news.nsysu.edu.tw!Lion
> 3 pec-90-111.tnt4.s2.uunet.DE!not-for-mail
> 3 news1.rdc2.pa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!not-for-mail
> 3 nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 news.nacamar.de!not-for-mail
> 3 news.state.vt.us!IP-ADDRESS
> 3 amsnews03.chello.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 news.nsysu.edu.tw!VIDY
> 3 news.net.uni-c.dk!not-for-mail
> 3 ppp-107.dialup-152.worldonline.FR!not-for-mail
> 3 news.opera.no!not-for-mail
> 3 newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail
> 3 a2i!not-for-mail
> 3 bofh.it!robomod
> [smaller counts removed]
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>NOTES
>=====
>
>Known cancel sources:
>---------------------
>
> I have classified these into:
>
> rogue-*
>
> rogue-hipcrime
> The test used for this one is quite reliable (few false positives)
> but doesn't catch all uses of NewsAgent.
>
> rogue-probably-hipcrime
> The test used for this catches most of what the above test misses,
> but is subject to a small false-positive rate.
>
> malformed-*
> These are people apparently doing spam-cancelling, but whose cancels
> don't contain all the required parts.
>
> forgery-*
> Flooding attacks cancelled as forgeries, without using cyberspam!.
> (Perfectly legitimate.)
>
> tos-*
> Terms-of-service cancels from various ISPs.
>
> moderator-*
> Moderators cancelling within their own groups.
>
> alt.sex.cancel
> abpe.cancel
> Obvious
>
> local-*
> Enforcement of regional or local hierarchy posting rules. (Some of
> the "unknown"s may also be legitimate regional/local enforcement.)
>
> bincancel-*
> Bincancels not carrying the cyberspam! pseudosite.
>
> retromod-*
> Retromoderators of certain alt groups.
>
>Terms of service (originating site admin) cancels
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>There is very little consistency in how these are being done. As a
>result, they are falling into all categories of this report. Site
>admins can easily generate cancels that match the originating user's
>closely enough to fall into the "apparently by originator" category;
>on the other hand, some sites use different message-id prefixes,
>pseudosites etc.
>
>Where a significant volume is involved, I've set up a classification
>for the individual ISP.
>
>Moderator cancels
>-----------------
>
>Some of these are still in the "unknown" category, simply because I
>haven't yet set up additional filters.
>
>The moderators section hasn't been updated in a while; it's getting
>a bit out of date. Sorry.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
nucleus
<BLANE1...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>Well after being a witness to the evolution of usenet for the past 15 years
>I have to say that its sad what has become of what was supposed to be a
>promising technology for the exchange of ideas across the world. The
>Spammers have totally destroyed what was once a wonderful environment
Lie and fabrication.
The "despammers" TOTALLY destroyed it.
The totalitarian censors, called "moderators"
totally destroyed it.
The totalitarian clique, dominating all,
totally destroyed it.
> in
>which people could come online and exchange ideas on a variety of subjects.
What prevents you from doing that?
Well, censorship and virtual terrorism
by those very "despammers", anihilating
ANY article they please, doing on the order
of 50 to 70 thousand cancels per day,
every single day.
What else?
>Now you can go to any group on usenet and the spam usually outnumbers the
>legitimate posts.
Lie.
> Most of the people of old who set up FAQs and articles
>about the topics on their group have left, unable to compete against the
>onslaught of "noise" from spammers.
Lie, fabrication and deceit.
> The spammers will claim that all we have
>to use as users of usenet is filter them out, and yet they go to great pains
>to use tactics that make that impossible.
Then how do these virtual terrorists of the grade
of Andrew Gierth AUTOMATICALLY anihilate it,
if it is "impossible"?
>Its a real shame,
Is the people like you, fabricating lies and deceit,
justifying global virtual terrorism?
> I used be able to go to any group and have great
>conversations with people who I would never be able to talk to due to
>distance and lack of knowledge of their existence.
And now?
> Now hardly anyone
>participates because its difficult to even follow a thread let alone deal
>with the frustration of the junk flowing through usenet.
PURE lie and fabrication.
>I think we're seeing the dying days of usenet. Unless something is done soon
>no one will want to participate here.
Corrupt to the bone indeed.
>B. Lane
>(remove the ".no spam" to email me)
nucleus
<st...@No-Spam-packetderm.com> wrote:
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>In article <s4D57.181340$Md.39...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>,
>BLANE1...@nc.rr.com says...
>> Well after being a witness to the evolution of usenet for the past
>> 15 years I have to say that its sad what has become of what was
>> supposed to be a promising technology for the exchange of ideas
>> across the world. The Spammers have totally destroyed what was once
>> exchange ideas on a variety of subjects. Now you can go to any
>> group on usenet and the spam usually outnumbers the legitimate
>> the topics on their group have left, unable to compete against the
>> all we have to use as users of usenet is filter them out, and yet
>> they go to great pains to use tactics that make that impossible.
>> conversations with people who I would never be able to talk to due
>> anyone participates because its difficult to even follow a thread
>> let alone deal with the frustration of the junk flowing through
>> usenet.
>>
>> done soon no one will want to participate here.
>>
>> (remove the ".no spam" to email me)
>>
>>
>>
>last 12 years at least. Thanks for continuing the tradition. Don't
>forget to cron job it, so that you can post it this time every year
>for the next 12 years.
[Said one of the obscessed megalomaniacal
totalitarian dictators and blatant, perverted censors]
>/steve
>- - --
>Stephen K. Gielda
>Packetderm, LLC
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nucleus
(Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to NewsReader <newsr...@newsreader.org>:
>> With Prior Restraint being the hardest limit to impose, if at all.
>> Canadian Courts often prior restrain Canadian papers from reporting
>> on ongoing criminal trials.
>
>It's extremely rare for this to happen. Only when there are multiple
>defendants in a criminal case on trials that are not run simultaneously.
>
>Or if the case is w.r.t. juveniles defendants, where the law states that
>the names can't be revealed, but the papers can _still_ cover the trial.
>
>> > Heck, only a few weeks ago we had full frontal nudity of over 2500
>> > people shown on CBC 6pm news... ;-)
>
>> So how is it a fascist censor wannabe like you tends to live there?
>
>That depends on your definition of "fascist".
The one, who thinks he is "superior" to others
and thus, justified, to behave on behalf of all
to impose HIS totalitarian and fascist agenda
upon all.
Just like you.
Self-appointed perverted sadist,
anihilating the work of others
in massive quantities
and engaging in the virtual terrorism
on a global scale.
Just like you.
>There's an interesting phenomena at work. The US tends to consider
>even our most extreme of right wing politicos (eg: Preston Manning)
>as somewhat to the left of Fidel Castro.
>
>And I consider myself somewhat _left_ of our centre. Which puts me even
>farther to the left than Fidel.
LEFT?
You mean violence, anihilation, totalitarianism
and fascism
is to the LEFT of center?
You must be crooked to the bone indeed.
Even to call you a pervert
is an insult to a plain, ordinary pervert,
you hype creating,
self-promoting violent monster,
capitalizing on the issue of "spam",
defined by the same perverts are you are,
to fit your own agenda.
One more time:
A virtual terrorist like you,
engaging in destruction on a GLOBAL scale,
a VIOLENT monster like you
is to the LEFT of center?
You mean the virtual terrorists,
conspiring with others of their kind,
terrorising the legal commercial entities,
forcing them to submit to their will,
to advance their corrupt agenda,
are to the LEFT of center?
Hahahahahahahaha.
What is UDP, Usenet Death Penalty attack?
What was that virtual terrorism attack
on a SOVEREIGN country of India
and their NATIONAL providers, VSNL and SILNET,
conducted in december of 1999?
Well, it was an act of electronic war,
quite conceivably having global nuclear consequences.
Yep, pervert.
That clandestine operation,
using the techniques of military grade approaches,
strategies and tactics,
was an act of war.
In the PURE sense.
As far, as I can comprehend,
you are engaging in racketerring activity
and fit into a definition of RICO act.
If there are criminals in networking world,
there just exist no criminals as bad,
as you and your conspirators are.
Nothing even CLOSE.
nucleus
<posth...@catfish.nildram.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:07:14 +1000, in alt.recovery.na *AlanS*
><AlanS2001@Spam_Spam_Go_Away_Come_Back_Another_Day_dingoblue.net.au>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:13:46 -0400, "Kate" <krowlan...@kalnet.net>
>>In alt.recovery.na spewed forth the following in message
>><news:9j5tvr$m8k1l$1...@ID-91353.news.dfncis.de>
>>
>>>I don't even know what this crap IS Alan.. lol.. If it is supposed to worry
>>>me, I don't know what to tell you. Use something that I know what it
means..
>>>[Hint: Non-Computer Nerd stuff would probably be a good idea]
>>Quite simply put it means you're a spammer.
Or may be YOU are a pathological case of a liar
and fabricator creating all this deceit?
>> When you have a BI higher than
>>20 on a set of posts your a spammer, then it is quite reasonable for anyone
>>to cancel a message that is part of a series of posts with a BI higher than
>>20
It depends on how corrupt you are
and much you are obscessed with ideology
of totalitarian and fascist dictatorship,
violence, perversion and deceit.
>> as long as the format the cancel message correctly. I have a felling that
>>you're about to cop a whole lot of cancellation.
>>
>
>Given the number of folk around that like to play with NewsAgent, I
>suppose that prediction may come to pass, however your conclusions are
>entirely incorrect.
>>BTW - You'll go to hell for top posting.
Get there red horns out of my screen,
willya?
I'd WEALLY appreciate it.
>>>*AlanS*
<AlanS2001@Spam_Spam_Go_Away_Come_Back_Another_Day_dingoblue.net.au>
>>>wrote in message news:6vqclt47tn37d7087uokrlpsffri524cnq@*AlanS*...
>>>> URL:
>>>>
>>>>http://groups.google.
com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&ic=1&th=1480965649c540f8,1&se
>ekm=20010607120127.9277%40dsrs.nntp.sol.net#p
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rank BI Posts Bytes Data
>>>> ---- ---------- ------- ----------- ------------
>>>> 630 20.436 13 43328 "Kate" <Krowlan...@kalnet.net>
>>
>
>You have read the *whole* of a DSRS Usenet Posting Summary, I take it?
>
>Free clue:
>
>:Please remember that BI is a general formula to measure the
>:number of groups posted to in a manner which favors crossposting.
>:The fact that the posts of a single poster may have a BI of 20
>:does not imply that the articles are spam, as each article may
>:have been completely different and unrelated.
>:
>:The Al Geiersbach "Duh, I Still Don't Get It" Paragraph:
>:
>:For the completely dense among us, who are unable to grasp the
>:obvious, that means that this isn't a "spam list". It also does
>:not mean that your posts are being cancelled, filtered, or anything
>:else... on the other hand, it doesn't mean that they're not. This
>:service merely counts 'em.
>
>(from <200107180...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net and all other Usenet
>Posting Summary Daemon Process <u...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net> Usenet Posting
>Summaries)
>
>[news.admin.net-abuse.usenet added]
>
nucleus
<posth...@catfish.nildram.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:11:16 -0400, in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>Terrible Tom <to...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>in article 6t8eltod9un0lce4q...@4ax.com, Anthony at
>>posth...@catfish.nildram.co.uk wrote on 19/07/01 15:00:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have read the *whole* of a DSRS Usenet Posting Summary, I take it?
>>>
>>> Free clue:
>>>
>>> :Please remember that BI is a general formula to measure the
>>> :number of groups posted to in a manner which favors crossposting.
>>> :The fact that the posts of a single poster may have a BI of 20
>>> :does not imply that the articles are spam, as each article may
>>> :have been completely different and unrelated.
>>> :
>>> :The Al Geiersbach "Duh, I Still Don't Get It" Paragraph:
>>> :
>>> :For the completely dense among us, who are unable to grasp the
>>> :obvious, that means that this isn't a "spam list". It also does
>>> :not mean that your posts are being cancelled, filtered, or anything
>>> :else... on the other hand, it doesn't mean that they're not. This
>>> :service merely counts 'em.
>>>
>>> (from <200107180...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net and all other Usenet
>>> Posting Summary Daemon Process <u...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net> Usenet Posting
>>> Summaries)
>>>
>>> [news.admin.net-abuse.usenet added]
>>
>>
>>posts from an insecure server in .de doesn't help her case either.
>>
>
>I actually *have* a DSRS login, and have checked the 29 posts with
>From: line "Kate" <krowlan...@kalnet.net> on Wed, 18 Jul 2001
>referenced in the DSRS Search Engine, 19 of which are referred to in
><200107180...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net>, referred to in
><0erclto6ei4dc0kqtkpg48ddk3f1b88kng@*AlanS*> posted by Alan.
>
>Alan suggests cancelling the posts in
><va6dlt0tbp4i5s7fkl0r4khbdj0nqlb0ki@*AlanS*> further on down the
>thread, a suggestion you do not apparently disagree with.
>Yet, no two of those posts come remotely close
>to even a loose definition of
>"substantively identical".
It does not matter to these self-promoting
totalitarian megalomaniacs, terrorising the whole world.
Perversion knows no limits.
>Also, I have seen no evidence whatsoever that news.dfncis.de is in any
>sense a proven source of abuse, other than running the risk that such
>free services inevitably present.
>>did you have fun with your newsagent run today anthony?
>
>Funny.
>
nucleus
<to...@databasix.com> wrote:
>in article ppceltoahji8dk3e8...@4ax.com, Anthony at
>posth...@catfish.nildram.co.uk wrote on 19/07/01 15:39:
>>>> Free clue:
>>>> [news.admin.net-abuse.usenet added]
[...]
>Someone actually sent Gary of databasix something about me and hypcrime
>after the last time you made that accusation. It was looked into, and again
>proven false.
>PPS. have you checked my headers lately? I'll give you a clue, I've changed
>timezones. i'm also using a mac, does that tell you anything?
[...]
>As far as this whole news agent thing goes,
>asides from that whoel guido the resurector deal,
>it doesnt much impress me.
They know it all too well.
But, being the pathological case of liars,
perverts, fabricating all this deceit,
they can't help but use it as an "argument",
perfectly knowing it is a lie
and perfectly capable of dealing with it
with the simpliest tools and filters,
just like they do when they say *plonk*.
> It's one of them mark all read deals.
Yep, that simple.
Furthermore, since it appears on news.* hierarchy
groups, filled with these totalitarian perverts
and virtual terrorists, suffocating usenet
with their blatant anihilation an censorship,
it is but a VERY appropriate form of speech.
>resurecting roque cancels is cool IMO, but not something I do.
>If i wanna make sure my posts get reposted in case of cancels,
>I'll crosspost to nanau
Since I seen my posts not resurrected,
I just repost the whole archive,
just to make sure.
Zo...
Anyone is welcome to cancel ANYTHING of mine.
Every time you do it,
you get a few thousands of PERFECTLY valid posts.
I can't just sit here, digging the archives
to see which exact articles of mine were anihilated.
Nope, you get the whole funker archive,
and that archive bites as good, as it gets.
For what these perverts have done to me,
I can just do ANYTHING I please.
I mean ANYTHING.
I just happen to be a VERY "nice" person...
I mean as "nice" as it gets.
nucleus
<posth...@catfish.nildram.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:00:04 +1000, in alt.recovery.na *AlanS*
><AlanS2001@Spam_Spam_Go_Away_Come_Back_Another_Day_dingoblue.net.au>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:10:41 -0400, Terrible Tom <to...@databasix.com>>><news:9j64i6$scn$1...@mews.databasix.com>
>>>in article 0erclto6ei4dc0kqtkpg48ddk3f1b88kng@*AlanS*, *AlanS* at
>>>AlanS2001@Spam_Spam_Go_Away_Come_Back_Another_Day_dingoblue.net.au wrote on
>>>19/07/01 01:41:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> URL:
>>>>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=krowlandnospam%40kalnet.net&start=630&hl=en&
>>>>
> safe=off&rnum=633&ic=1&selm=20010718000048.4445%40dsrs.nntp.sol.net&filter=0
>>>>
>>>> From: Usenet Posting Summary Daemon Process (u...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net)
>>>> Subject: Usenet Posting Summary (Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:00:48 CDT)
>>>> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>>>> Date: 2001-07-17 22:01:13 PST
>>>>
>>>> Rank BI Posts Bytes Data
>>>> ---- ---------- ------- ----------- ------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> URL:
>>>>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=krowlandnospam%40kalnet.net&start=630&hl=en&
>>>>
>
safe=off&rnum=632&ic=1&selm=20010629160058.17750%40dsrs.nntp.sol.net&filter=0
>>>>
>>>> From: Usenet Posting Summary Daemon Process (u...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net)
>>>> Subject: Usenet Posting Summary (Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:00:58 CDT)
>>>> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>>>> Date: 2001-06-29 14:01:28 PST
>>>>
>>>> Rank BI Posts Bytes Data
>>>> ---- ---------- ------- ----------- ------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> URL:
>>>>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=krowlandnospam%40kalnet.net&start=630&hl=en&
>>>>
>
safe=off&rnum=635&ic=1&selm=20010620160045.29069%40dsrs.nntp.sol.net&filter=0
>>>>
>>>> From: Usenet Posting Summary Daemon Process (u...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net)
>>>> Subject: Usenet Posting Summary (Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:00:45 CDT)
>>>> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>>>> Date: 2001-06-20 14:01:24 PST
>>>>
>>>> Rank BI Posts Bytes Data
>>>> ---- ---------- ------- ----------- ------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> URL:
>>>>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22krowlandnospam+kalnet+net%22+group:news.
>>>>
>
admin.net-abuse.usenet+insubject:Usenet+insubject:Posting+insubject:Summary&nu
>>>>
>
m=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=8&ic=1&selm=20010606200151.3260
>>>> %40dsrs.nntp.sol.net
>>>>
>>>> From: Usenet Posting Summary Daemon Process (u...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net)
>>>> Subject: Usenet Posting Summary (Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:01:51 CDT)
>>>> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>>>> Date: 2001-06-06 18:02:47 PST
>>>>
>>>> Rank BI Posts Bytes Data
>>>> ---- ---------- ------- ----------- ------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> URL:
>>>>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22krowlandnospam+kalnet+net%22+group:news.
>>>>
>
admin.net-abuse.usenet+insubject:Usenet+insubject:Posting+insubject:Summary&nu
>>>>
>
m=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&scoring=d&rnum=9&ic=1&selm=20010605200047.8570
>>>> %40dsrs.nntp.sol.net
>>>>
>>>> From: Usenet Posting Summary Daemon Process (u...@dsrs.nntp.sol.net)
>>>> Subject: Usenet Posting Summary (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 20:00:47 CDT)
>>>> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>>>> Date: 2001-06-05 18:01:17 PST
>>>>
>>>> Rank BI Posts Bytes Data
>>>> ---- ---------- ------- ----------- ------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All you community minded folk who like to rid the UseNet of spam you know
>>>> what to do.
>>>
>>>lol dood
>>>
>>>cancel bots heh
>>
>>My thoughts exactly, with properly formatted spam cancel messages though so
>>as there is no real comeback. That and complaints to her ISP about spamming.
>>
>
>Even properly formatted cancels in this case would be rogue. Don't
>let your pal Tom use his nice new DataBasix account for such cancels;
>it would be a shame to see him lose it so quickly.
>
>Interesting that Tom should mention cancel bots, though. What *is*
>his opinion of NewsAgent, exactly?
NewsAgent is a cancel bot,
just like theirs.
May be more functionality and features.
Better design.
Better gui.
Things like that.
But it the same thing as these virtual terrorists
and totalitarian censors use,
except, being the fascists they are,
they think THEY are "justified"
and others are not.
Basically sick.
Pretty much pathological cases
of megalomaniacs
and fascists,
anihilating ANYTHING they please.
But when others do just the same,
these pathological liars
start campaigns of perversion and deceit,
netcopping and fabricating lies,
trying to shut down the public servers
or even conspired to terrorise some of the
biggest commercial entities and providers
in the world.
Criminals.
nucleus
(Chris Lewis) wrote:
>According to Jeroen Wijnands <jeroen....@xs4all.nl>:
>> Chris Lewis wrote:
>
>> > According to Jeroen Wijnands <jeroen....@xs4all.nl>:
>> > > Anybody care to explain what the hell this is?
>
>> > whereupon it got nuked by the bofh bot.
>
>> > Note also, xs4all is currently the _source_ of some of the HC flooding.
>
>> > As was the one that side-swiped you:
>
>> So that xs4all ip was no forgery?
>
>It was probably perfectly accurate.
>
>> LOL! Stupid usage of an adsl account somebody waited months for. Sure
>> can kiss that one goodbye. And since kpn has more or less a monopoly on
>> them he's back to modem.
>It certainly won't be any use for posting to Usenet for a while...
Sure, Chris Lewis,
one of the biggest virtual terrorists around,
knows EXACTLY where you are at,
and no matter what you post from that IP,
you are doomed.
That IP is on all the fascist anihilator bots now.
That machine is basically black holed.
Kinda mini-UDP.
nucleus
>>[I am assuming here, given your keen interest in AI, that you are
>>familiar with reading program code. Is that a safe assumption?]
>I don't think so.
In order to think,
you need a functioning brain,
and not that CPU between you ears,
filled to the brim
with simple instructions.
> It's much more likely he's hoping for a prosthetic
>to help with a birth defect.
[Said Mr. Big Red Ass,
the hitman of the big-sucking-8,
one of the most outrageous perverts
and sadists around,
used by the usenet mafia
to piss off those,
they wish to anihilate.]
Zig heil,
oh superior Aryan race!
>Jay
>--
>* Jay Denebeim Moderator rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated *
>* newsgroup submission address: b5...@deepthot.org *
>* moderator contact address: b5mod-...@deepthot.org *
>* personal contact address: dene...@deepthot.org *
nucleus
<reb...@ogoense.net> wrote:
>spam.constitutes.a...@pc-gamereview.com (Morely Dotes) writes:
>
>> That's the auto-moderation bot which Hipcrime is using to
mailbomb-by-proxy;
>> that isn't happening.
>He said so, and since he's God, it must be true.
>He said so, and since he's God, it must be true.
>He said so, and since he's God, it must be true.
>He said so, and since he's God, it must be true.
>He said so, and since he's God, it must be true.
>He said so, and since he's God, it must be true.
>He said so, and since he's God, it must be true.
>He said so, and since he's God, it must be true.
Another blood boiling idiot,
brainwashed to oblivion?
Virtual terrorism unlimited enterprises,
denying access to the entire networks
and thousands of users?
Hey, vigilanties and racketeers,
ever heard of a notion of law?
>Rich, HipCrime is the problem, not Peter Radcliffe.
How do you know it was HipCrime?
You have EVIDENCE?
> I think the issue
>you had concern with has been fixed.
You are not even LOOKING at the REAL issue.
To you, denying access to usenet
to thousands of people
isn't even the "issue".
But merely excersizing the right to speak
and filling these totalitarian outlets
with crap, that even looks better than yours,
is the "problem".
What "problem"?
You mean you,
some of the MOST experienced users,
news admins, virtual terrorists,
totalitarian dictators,
do not know how to skip reading those articles?
Don't you know how to do *plonk* thing,
you teeth lying perverts, fabricating lies
and deceit,
trying to make it look like a "problem",
while you know ALL too well,
all it takes
is but few mouse clicks
or a single line in your sucky totalitarian scripts
to take care of this "problem".
You are so corrupt,
it is amazing to see the planet Earth
is still gracious enough
to carry you.
Void is your destiny.
Because you are as obscessed with "power",
domination, oppression and perversions,
that you are simply blinded.
Rebecca knows everything.
She has a private line
to the "authorized" parties
and her favorite occupation
is communications behind the scenes.
>--
>Rebecca Ore
>http://www.ogoense.net/rebecca
nucleus
(keith lim) wrote:
>Brian Lane <BLANE1...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>> I think we're seeing the dying days of usenet.
>> Unless something is done soon
>> no one will want to participate here.
That is EXACTLY the trick,
used by the evillest of ALL evil,
trying to create self-significance
for self-promoting purposes,
fabricating the delusions of "evil".
Here:
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and
hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins;
all of them imaginary."
-- H.L. Mencken, 1923
Meanwhile, you are not only participating,
as this very post of yours evidences,
but participating in one of the MOST
shit filled holes on entire usenet,
that is FOREVER a target
for a PERFECTLY valid speech,
filling it to the brim
with better quality material,
than all your delusions combined.
Can you unscramble that?
Or you only undestand one liners
with the average word lenght
of about 3.5 characters
and and average sentence lenght
of about 3.3 words?
>You forgot to announce when the film would be shown.
>--
>keith lim keit...@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~keithlim/
> If you can't be a good example, then you'll just
> have to be a horrible warning. --Catherine Aird
nucleus
<post_repl...@this.address.is.invalid> wrote:
>"keith lim" wrote ...
>> Brian Lane wrote:
>>
>> > I think we're seeing the dying days of usenet. Unless something is done
> soon
>> > no one will want to participate here.
>>
>
>just prior to the start of the film.
>
>--LXIX--
Yup.
Organization: S.P.U.T.U.M. Unit LXIX
That is how perverts and virtual terrorists
create self-significance.
One of the first steps
is pissing off their victims.
Then the fun part begins...
nucleus
<jjohn81...@valuelinx.net> wrote:
>"nucleus" <nuc...@invalid.you.are> wrote in message
>news:9j7s9s$12jj$6...@news.ukr.net...
>> In article <YhK57.11475$gj1.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>"Henry Vizi" <Drwho...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >"nucleus" <nuc...@invalid.you.are> wrote in message
>> >news:9j5g0j$111c$1...@news.ukr.net...
>> >> Now, to have a RIGHT to own a gun
>> >> at the constitutional level
>> >> is simply obscene.
>> >
>> >No more obscene than owning a sharp knife.
One more time:
It all depends on...
How corrupt you are.
>> >> What do you do with the gun?
>> >> Brush your teeth?
>> >What do you do with all those sharp knives in your kitchen?
One more time:
It all depends on...
How perverted you are.
You can pervert it WAY beyond
the point of obscene.
>> Yes, the right wing rhetoric of perversion and deceit,
>> used every single time.
>> Well, to the one obscessed with murder,
>> no argument would be sufficient.
>> They'd pervert it further yet.
>> Do you at least have statistics to support your claims?
Did you hear what I asked?
Gimme statistics and comparative analysis
on how many are killed with guns,
how many are killed with knives,
how many are killed with a stone,
how many are killed with other things.
I wish to see the limits of your corruption,
you conman, fabricating delusions here.
You came here to do what?
Zome brainwashing?
Go suck a black hole first.
>> >> Why would there be a need to have a constitutional
>> >> RIGHT regarding the issues of this kind?
>> >Because it's a basic building block of freedom?
>> Yes, called "freedom to kill".
Do you comprehend,
you donkey ass?
One more time:
What do you do with the gun,
but to kill?
Therefore,
it is written in your own CONSTITUTION,
mind you,
that you have FREEDOM to kill.
Because that is what you do with the gun,
no matter how much you pervert it.
Therefore,
you are a society
obscessed with violence,
becuase that violence
is written in your own consitution,
and not only in one articles,
but as far, as I recall,
3 articles.
Now, how many total articles are there
in your consitution again?
>> I like that indeed.
>>
>> >That if the government decides to come get you, you are not helpless.
>> You'd be sucking FULL time,
Sucking as good,
as a black hole indeed,
you blood boiling idiot,
not even recognizing
the patterns of brainwashing,
those Freemasons carefully
slipped into your mind,
while you were watching that idiot box,
you call TV,
FILLED to the brim
with this very ideology
of destruction and anihilation,
murder, corruption, deceit,
greed, fear, guilt,
"honor", "family values",
and horseshit of that grade.
About 99% of all your so called shows
are what?
Well, programming the idiots of your kind
to accept the anihilation
and of the HORRENDOUS proportions
as a "norm".
Eventually,
mind becomes so numbed up with it,
it no longer questions ANY of it.
Then...
Then the programming is over.
From then on,
you can be manipulated like a puppet.
Fear
and Guilt.
THAT is how you will operate,
just like this idiot here,
making all these hissing sounds,
justifying guns
as something "normal",
"ordinary",
"the way of life".
Yes.
But ONLY if you are a monster.
>> and would be MUCH better off
>> if you DON'T have a gun,
>> you teeth lying idiot,
>> brainwashed to oblivion.
Why didn't you present a sucky argument here?
>> You mean your sucky gun
>> or even a TANK
>> is something that will prevent a GOVERNMENT
>> from levelling your stupid house to dust?
And grinding your own ass
to the same dust,
while "enjoying" the show,
where they will fry you
like a piece of dogshit
in the electric "chair",
you funkay bio-robot,
brainwashed to LITERAL oblivion?
>> Just show them a gun,
>> if you are so smart.
>> You'd be dead within seconds.
Where is your sucky 'argument' again,
you conman
and a coward?
>> Now, this perverted, sick blood boiling propaganda
>> of anihilation is not that interesting.
>> I'll give you another paragraph.
>> >> It has become one of the MOST inflamed issues
>> >> in the entire history of that country.
>> >> What is constitution on the first place?
>> >> Constitution is a document,
>> >> outlining the MOST funamental principles,
>> >> guiding a society.
And the idiots of your grade,
will MOST certainly pervert even that one.
>> >No, the Constitution is supposed to be a defence of the rights of the
>> >individual vs. WHOEVER IS IN POWER.
>> You are but a fool.
Nope. I take it back.
Even to call you an idiot
is an insult to ordinary idiot.
The constituion, by DEFINITION,
you lil pigmey ass of a logician,
who didn't ever read that very definition,
is a BASIC LAW OF THE LAND.
You comprehende?
It is not to merely "protect you from your government",
you bio-robots, brainwashed to oblivion.
Because that very government
is what YOU elected.
They are not just some "commies".
They are your own REPRESENTATIVES.
Not only that,
but the BEST of those.
Because...
Because you, idiots,
elected them.
YOU elected that Jessey with the helm
and a nukelar
[that is how those perverts,
holding their fat fingers
on the big red button
of nuclear anihilation,
pronounce it nowadays, mind you]
bomb up his ass.
Not only that,
but that blood boiling,
foaming, fat parasite,
sucking your blood
and manipulating your guilt and fear,
creating all thes "evil",
he claims he will "protect" YOU from,
was sitting on what committe again?
As a CHAIRMAN, mind you.
Do you, bio-robot, know even that much
and about your own land.
>> Can not comprehend what Freemasonry is all about.
>>
>> You simply have no clue.
>> > Remember, in 1776, they
>> >didn't have multinational corporations that had more money than most
>> >governments.
>> One more time: You are but a fool,
>> being brainwashed with the party propaganda
>> to the point of oblivion.
Your BASIC documents
were negotiated out
the night before the official hearing
by whom?
Well, the Freemasons.
THAT is why you have their symbology
on your very dollar bill.
Interestingly enough,
on the BACK site of it.
You know what kind of symbol is this?
Well, 666, dummy.
The sign of the beast.
The one that sucks your energy,
the one that sucks your blood,
the one whose PRIME interest is...
Guess, suxy.
Well...
It is ANIHILATION.
Your land is controlled by the sign of 666.
Your very destiny
is written on a symbol
on the back of the dollar bill,
lil did those Freemason know,
even though they made it
with their own hand.
That symbols is a Pyramid.
It symbolizes not what you, fools think it does.
It symbolizes several things.
First, it is a symbol of the emprire,
that have fallen into dust.
That is what piriamids are.
Secondly, the top part of the pyramid
is separated from the bootom.
Which means?
Well, the top part
is Fremasons of 33 degree.
Those, sitting in your houses
of delusion,
ruling your lands,
conducting the secret meetings
and determining the outcomes
and developments on the planet Earth.
Ever heard of Bohemian Club,
you dumb bio-robot?
You want to know how it ticks?
You know WHO is represented
by invitation ONLY?
You know what kind of things
do they talk about on their montly meetings?
Did you EVER read ANY of it
in your so called "free media",
you lil cock roack ass sucker,
brainwashed to oblivion?
You don't deserve that story.
Back to the piramid.
The BOTTOM part of tha pyramid,
is but those lile slaves,
just like you.
Except they are the "mortal"
Freemasons.
The pyramid represents the Masonic symbol.
Ok, Ima in a good mood today.
Zo...
I'll give you a hint.
What is "new world order"?
Well, it is the PYRAMID,
dummy.
Why?
Well,
because the pyramid
represents the first stone building
in terms of symbological meaning.
Before the first stone building
what was the situtation?
Well...
You were all living...
In the CAVES, shacks and huts,
dummy.
Zo what?
Well, you could just pick up and go.
Is THAT how you create great societies?
Nope.
Because you were all essentially
gypcies, trevelling like a wind.
You did know the true freedom,
but you lost it all.
With the very first stone building...
Well, the NEW world order has arrived.
Why?
Because you were literally NAILED
to that building.
You couldn't just pick it up and move on.
So, you started aggregating.
Building streets.
Making windows.
Bringing water.
You usually picked up the place for those
building where?
Well, near water.
That is how you will collapse
in the years forthcoming.
Withing but few years now.
The ice caps ALREADY melted
to the degree unseen before.
There are cracks street wide,
not seen just a couple of years ago.
The roof has gone...
Zo...
Those stone buildings
became the foundation of your
"modern" societies.
The cities were built.
That is what "new world order"
is all about.
That devil worshipping Bush,
a 2nd derivative Freemason,
who perverted that very concept
with his pronouncement
of "new world order",
has perverted even the MOST sacred
symbol of Freemasonry.
He know at that junction
that a "new" vesion of the "world order"
was ready.
That was TOTAL domination
of the planet Earth
by United Sucking States,
the evillest empire of all,
who started more wars
since the WWII,
than ALL other contries in the world.
The stealth technology
in combination with "smart bombs",
that are dumb enough
to hit the Chinese Embassy in Belgraid,
is the KEY factor.
At that juntion,
even the MOST developed countries
of the world
could do nothing
beyond sucking a black hole
compared to the magnitude
of the power and advantage of the Americans.
Even at this very point,
NATO is experiencing some of its biggest difficulties,
becase they can't find the way
to catch up with those Americans.
Well, dummies,
the game is over.
From now on,
you will ALL have to submit
to the evillest empires of all,
lived under the sign of 666,
the sign of the beast.
That sign is represented by the flag
on the nuclear submarines
of the biggest class there is.
That is a black, black flag
with a symbol of skull and bones,
the symbol of such horrendous power,
you can not even begin to comrehend
the numbing effect of it
on your very sould.
This is the order to Freemasons:
IMMEDIATELY take down that symbol
from those submarines.
Did you hear what I said?
IMMEDIATELY.
Why didn't you put the symbol of freedom,
the eagle, on it?
Why didn't you put your own American flag on it?
WHY?
Besause your ass is ruled
by the 666.
That is why.
You are the empire of evil,
just like that honorary 33 degree Freemason,
the Reganoid fabricated
when he called Russia the "evil empire",
just to deceive and redirect
from the very truth of it all.
That is how that very evil operates.
It is called a defense by offense.
The MOST successful type of defense.
Zo...
Your MOST basic document,
the CONSTITUTION
is what again?
To protect YOU from your own representatives
in government?
Hahahahahahahaha.
How many ative neurons on line you gots?
About 3?
>> >> Thus, introducing the murder into a constituion
>> >> simply creates a havoc and basically makes that
>> >> very society a society of AUTHORIZED killers,
>> >> no matter who kills what, when and why.
>> >
>> >How does owning a gun lead to murder? Murder by definition is
>> >killing WITHOUT JUST CAUSE.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> >Any other killing is not murder.
>>
>> Enough of this crap.
>>
>> End of input.
>>
>> >> Not only that, but I recall seeing at least
>> >> 3 different cases where weapons are mentioned
>> >> in the constitution.
>> >>
>> >> Out of how many total articles?
>> >>
>> >> So, a SUBSTANTIAL part of that constitution
>> >> is concerned with that?
>> >
>> >3 lines in a document with hundreds of lines is a "substatntial" amount?
>> >
>> >> Well, with KILLING.
>> >>
>> >> Guns are there for what?
>> >>
>> >> To have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT?
>> >
>> >No, to prevent WHOEVER IS IN POWER from making all the decisions
>> >for you.
>> >
>> >> You must be out of active neurons on line.
>> >>
>> >> Where in the constituion there are provisions
>> >> for love, peace, harmony, gratitude?
>> >
>> >Why should those things be enforced?
>> >It's my right as a citizen to hate you!
>> >
>> >> Where is the RIGHT to eat,
>> >>
>> >> RIGHT to have a shelter,
>> >>
>> >> RIGHT to have clothes?
>> >
>> >That's what the gun is for. You yourself have to make sure you keep
>> >your right to eat.
>> >
>> >> And if there are ANY rights,
>> >> those are the MOST fundamental rights
>> >> you can imagine.
>> >
>> >No, those are a requirement for human existance. They're not a right.
>> >You don't have a right to exist. You have a right to own a gun and to
>> >speak your mind in public should you choose to exist.
>> >
>> >> Because they are the BASIC NEEDS.
>> >> Not just some luxury
>> >> or fuss of fasion.
>> >>
>> >> Where is the right NOT to be killed?
>> >>
>> >> Yes, there are some things in that constitution
>> >> that limit the pervasive role of goverment
>> >> and make some basic provisions.
>> >>
>> >> But to have the RIGHT to "pursue happiness"?
>> >>
>> >> Is simply obscene.
>> >>
>> >> How do you define happiness?
>> >>
>> >> According to what set of criterias?
>> >
>> >Happiness is defined by the rule of the majority.
>> >That's what democracy is.
>> >
>> >(snip rest of crack addict jibbersih)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>I thought the newsgroup might appreciate this email I got the other day
>in regards of people's attitudes towards Guns and Gun control.
>Have a good laugh ..
>John
>
>This is Great!!! You have to read this one!!
>
>Ken Wulf
>GENUiTY
>Field Service Engineer
>Cell # 614-563-1091
>Pager # 888-232-0168
>Email: ken....@genuity.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Regardless of how you fell about gun laws you gotta love this one.
>
> I was listening to the radio the other day, and I heard one of the all-time
>best comeback lines in my life. Note this is an exact replication of
>National Public Radio interview between
>a female broadcaster, and US Army General Reinwald who was about to sponsor
>a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military installation.
Boy Scout Troop is what?
Brownshirts?
>FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
>So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach these young boys
>when they visit your post?
First, killing.
Then a few other things.
Why?
>GENERAL REINWALD:
>We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery, and shooting.
But no dancing, singing, laughing, art,
music, poetry, sensitivity,
appreciation of live as such.
Nothing like that.
Great!
>FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
>Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?:
Nope. It is not a matter of "responsibility",
which is a guilt peddling ideology
of the biggest and fattest parasites,
who give a flying dead chicken
about this very concept.
"Responsibility" is a trap.
>GENERAL REINWALD:
>I don't see why,
Sure. How could you?
Not possible.
Even in principle.
Do you know why?
>they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
Never mind that their minds,
from the very young age,
are being brainwashed
into a subliminal concept
of killing as such,
instead of being introduced
to concepts of beauty, love,
art, joy, appreciation of life.
Never mind.
That is not how you raise bio-bobots.
You need to program their minds
and from the youngest possible age
with the ideas
that killing, shooting and violence
are something "normal",
and even "necessary".
All you need to find,
is but a proper excuse
to fabricate your decit.
>FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
>Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity
>to be teaching children.
Simply foolish argument
by the same brainwashed bio-robot.
It is not a matter of "dangerous" activity.
It is a matter of programming the minds
with the ideas of killing and destruction,
anihilation and things like that.
From then on, ALL you need,
is to fabricate some lie
for a "reason".
Like:
"National suckurity",
"Eliminating evil"
[said the evillest of all evil],
"Protecting the free sucking werld",
"Fighting for freedom"
[to suck the blood of many by the few],
"Protecting democracy"
[which they already converted into suckocracy
and lickassocracy]
"Proecting 'our way of life'"
[and anihilating all other ways].
Things like that.
Subtle but pervasive.
>GENERAL REINWALD:
>I don't see how.
Nope. You couln't.
Thats the whole idea.
Because first of all,
YOU are one of those,
brainwashing those very young minds
and converting them into masses
of bio-robots,
brainwashed into oblivion,
following your dictates.
Most likely, you will fabricate
some MOST perverted version of this whole thing
in this very interview.
Let us see.
> We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline
>before they even touch a firearm.
See how cunning?
It isn't even the issue of killing and murder.
It is replaced with "proper rifle discipline".
This dude may very well be a Freemason,
a master of redirection
information manipulation.
That foolish reporter
simply got trapped
with the very quetion.
Because the issue is not "dangerous",
but murder, corruption and bio-robotization
of human mind,
and at the VERY early age,
when it is MOST suseptible
to all sorts of brain programming tricks.
They will cripple that being
and create a monster.
At some later point in his life,
he may realize what they have done,
if at all.
But it will be WAY too late.
>FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
>But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
Again, simply idiotic.
It is the same manipulation and fabrication.
It is not "violent killers".
It is not "equipping".
It is CORRUPTING their minds
and programming their very sensitive brains
with the very ideology of destruction,
instead of helping them
to find joy and appreciation of life.
>GENERAL REINWALD:
>Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute,
Yep, I BET you he is Freemason.
So perverted this manipulation is.
It is but a kick on the balls,
performed by the VERY trained
killer and a violent monster.
Nope, she is NOT "equipped to be a prostitute".
It was the biggest insult imaginable.
It is TOTAL perversion of an argument.
This so called general
is your BIGGEST problem,
and not the solution.
With these kinds of solutions,
you will self-destruct.
It is simply inevitable.
It is bad enough
that you create these brownshirt equivalents,
brainwashing their minds
from the very early days
with the ideas of killing
and all sorts of domination.
>but you're not one. . . . .are you?
Well, but YOU are who?
A PROFESSIONAL sadist?
Yep, you CERTAINLY are.
>The radio went silent and the interview ended. And all I could think was.
>GO ARMY
Welcome to hell.
Yee shalt bare the fruit
of your labor.
Indeed.
Thus apake Acharya Veeren,
a self appointed council of Osho,
poisoned by the evillest empire of all,
on the subjects of Arts and Sciences
on this day,
July 20 of the year 2001
since the time of Jesus Cristo,
who came to give you his heart
nucleus
<bi...@scconsult.com> wrote:
>In article <3B574BD5...@snerts-r-us.org>,
> sean <se...@snerts-r-us.org> wrote:
>
>>Jeroen Wijnands wrote:
>>
>>> So that xs4all ip was no forgery?
>>>
>>> can kiss that one goodbye. And since kpn has more or less a monopoly on
>>> them he's back to modem.
>>
>>case
>>of some sort of trojan in his machine. Or maybe just cluelessly
>>configuring
>>a firewall with sock open to the world. (which is prolly what it was)
>>
>>I dunno. Maybe stupidity and cluelessness SHOULD be a capital offence.
>
>Yes. At least in the net sense.
>
>If someone is stupid enough to leave their machine open in this way,
>they need to no longer be allowed to put a machine in that position. Put
>the idiot on a machine with a 10.* NAT'ed address behind big smart
>firewalls. On a 9600bps modem.
Zig heil!
>--
>Bill Cole
>This message is the official opinion of the voices in my head.
nucleus
wrote:
Now, the bottom part is...
SEPARATED from the top.
Which is a symbol in itself.
Do you know what it signifies?
It signifies that even within
the same organization,
the "mortals", represented by the bottom part,
are not even connecte to their own "elite",
represented by the top part of the pyramid.
Thus, the entire organization
is split.
They no longer represent a whole.
Now, on the same dollar bill,
there is another Masonic saying
"One From Many",
written in Latin, of course.
Just don't ask me why Latin.
Now, that "one from many"
is the core thing they violated.
The pyramid is divided.
It is no longer one.
Another interesting thing
on that very pyramid
is that eye.
Do you comprehend what that eye represents
in terms of symbology?
Guess, suxy.
Well, it represents...
The BIG BROTHER WATCHING.
It is not a symbol of an eye of god,
because god don't need that kinda crap.
It is not some cop, watching your output hole.
It is your very life energy.
Why would it even bother WATCHING you?
It knows your past.
It knows your present.
It even knows your future,
to a VERY significant degree.
Yes, you do have a certain freedom
of development, even though you are bound
by your past and present beliefs,
acts and tendencies.
But there is no need to WATCH you, dummies.
That eye is a symbol of...
Of FEAR.
It is to instill a TREMENDOUS fear in you.
Why?
Well, just to make you susseptible to manipulation
by that very fear and guilt.
Again:
Fear
and Guilt.
THAT is how you tick.
That eye, watching you every step of the way,
is again, a Masonic symbol,
hidden by the masters of symbolic manipulation.
Now, Freemasonry is an OBSCESSION
with symbology.
That is the VERY roots
of their so called craft.
The meetings are conducted DEEP into the night.
Practicing the "craft",
those worshippers of the sign of 666,
the sign of the beast,
learning new ways
to get in tune with symbology,
symbology of...
SUCKING.
That is why they were able to accumulate
VAST empires, hidden within your societies,
right smack in the middle of it.
Your supreme courts.
Your top echelons in governments.
Your presidents.
Your judges.
They control vast empires of oil and energy.
Copper mines.
Why?
Well...
"Enter-
tainment" industries.
Ever heard of AOL?
Do you know what kind of symbol is theirs?
Guess, suxy.
Some dumb ass here
even had enough guts
to comprehend the idea of...
UDPing AOL itself!
What a dumb cock roach sucker.
The AOL can UPD the whole free sucking werld.
They'll suck you in,
and there will be no trace of you left,
no matter how big your sucky ISP is.
YOU, lil suckazoids,
wish to UDP the AOL?
Hahahahahahaha.
You wish to UDP the Freemasons?
Who else?
Your supreme court?
Hahahahahahaha.
What a bunch of idiots.
Interestingly enough,
there is a skull and bones "fraternity"
at one of your MOST prestigious univercities,
Yale, supplying the top eshelons in government,
business, finance and you name it.
They go pretty much directly
to the house of the white mouse.
Things like that.
Skull and Bones.
The sign of the beast.
>This is the order to Freemasons:
nucleus
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The latest version of totalitarian censorship match patterns,
as presented in alt.freemasonry.
PGP signed, mind you.
In article <BWXQ8UKO3709...@frog.nyarlatheotep.org>,
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Daniel) wrote:
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nucleus
From: Fernandinande of Lemuria <lemu...@mindXspring.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.discordia,alt.freemasonry,soc.men
Subject: Re: Exclusionary Practices... Where should the law step in?
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:15:29 -0600
======================== Quote begin =============================
On 16 Jul 2001 08:14:11 -0700, fr...@swbell.net (Roderic Fabian) expounded:
<scot...@my-deja.com (Scott Gilbert) wrote in message
news:<e4946d4b.01071...@posting.google.com>...
<
<[deletia]
<
<> A year has passed and the group now numbers roughly 100 men, women are
<> still explicitly excluded by the mutual yet rarely spoken consent of
<> those people who gather on these occasions. The group dynamic has
<> encouraged those people of a particular political bent more than those
<> of other political persuasions and the members are profiting from the
<> networking that they do at the "little" parties that they attend once
<> each month thus increasing the influence and power of the group as a
<> whole.
<>
<> Has the group _now_ crossed that threshold?
<>
<> My question is this: at what point do I lose the right to associate
<> freely?
<
<There is no boundary across which one crosses as an organization like
<you describe grows. To be succinct, you lose the right to free
<association when a judge somewhere imagines the Constitution to be
<undergoing the "growth" and the "living and breathing" necessary for
<him/her to negate the plain meaning of that docoment so that he/she
<can go ahead and do what he/she thinks is right and force your
<organization to accomodate women.
<
<In short, you will have lost the right to free association when a
<judge thinks it is just and because that judge thinks it is just for
<whatever reason that judge thinks is appropriate, nothing more.
And people ask judges to force their viewpoint on other people
when the requestors think they can make some money out of it.
======================== Quote end =============================
nucleus
Sam Schwarzman is one of the most perverted ones you can find.
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From: jaqu...@aol.com (jaqueira2)
Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
Subject: Re: Freemasonry... The truth about it
Date: 17 Jul 2001 22:22:31 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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>Dear Wes,
>You are correct in your post. Thank you for the observation. I have dealt
>with
>Maurice
>for some time now and I too hope he gets well and finds peace. Hate and envy
>are terrible things. God Bless..
>
>
>Sincerely & Respectfully,
>MasonTruth
>Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally
>Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
>Moreno Valley, CA
>
>"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in
>unity."
Manny:
If you really want to see how sick "Murry" is, do a Google search of his
postings and where he has posted. UNBELIEVABLE.
Sam Schwarzman, AGL, GLNY
Treasurer; Metropolitan Assistant
Grand Lecturers Association (MAGLA)
========================== Quote end ===========================
nucleus
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From: Maurice <jus...@jiwalu.demon.co.uk>
Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
Subject: Freemasonry... The truth about it
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:28:29 +0100
======================= Quote begin ========================
In article <WAdzpCA9...@jiwalu.demon.co.uk>, Maurice
<jus...@jiwalu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>FREEMASONRY....THE TRUTH ABOUT IT.
>
>It is not strange given the warped Masonic philosophy that when anyone
>becomes a critic of Freemasonry they usually end up being subject to a
>page on their infamous Masonic information pages. Former masons and all
>alike end up being subject of ridicule and alleged subjects of paranoia
>on those pages obviously by authors who are in need of substantial
>psychiatric help. Anything which resembles the real truth about
>Freemasonry is twisted and warped to the point of outright lies by those
>whose job it clearly is to try to defend Freemasonry and its evil
>practices. Freemasonry's so called information pages is proof of the
>workings of the minds of masons who it might be argued are no longer
>their own masters. I can write these things with a very clear
>conscience. I too am subject of a page on their North American web site.
>The page contains every imaginable lie and bending of the truth in an
>attempt to discredit me. From this I can only conclude that all others
>who are subject of other pages on that web site have equally came under
>the same Masonic evil acts of the same evil Masonic authors.
>
>I think it true to say that the world is gradually becoming aware that
>the teachings of Freemasonry bears little resemblance to the real life
>truth of what Freemasonry is really all about. Freemasonry claims it is
>not a Secret Society but a Society with Secrets. The truth is that it is
>both of these things apply. I am aware that in the UK mason policemen
>will pass on any information which they can access on individuals to
>Freemasonry. From acts such as these, and there are many similar such
>acts, Freemasonry can indeed claim to be a Society with secrets. Those
>secrets come from every available source where Freemasonry has been able
>to breach the privacy of such individuals by its membership employed
>within all establishments where such information is stored. The problem
>is all the greater now where copying and transferring such information
>has never been easier. Data Protection Acts will never stop that abuse.
>Just think about all of the confidential information that lawyers have
>at their fingertips. In the UK huge numbers of lawyers are masons. Does
>anyone really believe that these people would withhold such information
>from their Masonic brothers when asked to supply it? Part of the
>Masonic oath is to uphold the Brotherhood of Freemasonry and there is no
>act that is barred when carrying that out.
>
>Freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity or in fact its
>teachings. Those masons who are also of the orthodox Jewish religion
>have as their bible volumes known as the Talmud. The Talmud teaches that
>none Jews, i.e. gentiles, referred to in the Talmud as the Goyim, can
>be used in any way as may be required. Facts such as this and a hundred
>fold more are the very reasons why Freemasonry effectively created
>their own God. They had to have a God who would fit the bill for all
>religious sects of those they wanted to entice into Freemasonry. It is
>clear that any Masonic oath made to the Masonic artificial God would not
>only be evil in the eyes of true God, but such oaths borne out of that
>evil are only binding to the evil from which they stemmed. For this
>reason and many more, I suggest that masons with any resemblance of a
>conscience of their own should get out of Freemasonry as soon as they
>can. I can see no problem whatsoever with the principles of Freemasonry.
>In reality its principles fall by the wayside in the rush for wealth,
>power and whatever other ways and desires so common to the general
>downfall of all mankind.
>
>In so many of the older masons that I have talked with I see the same
>zombie like character emerging. It is clear that they are unaware that
>Freemasonry has polluted their minds to the point that reasoning is no
>longer their own. The pro Masonic arguments I have heard from them
>always follow a set pattern. At times I have almost known the subject of
>what their next argument will be almost word for word before they
>deliver it. At one time I laughed at the very thought of mind control.
>Now I can see part of the reality of it courtesy of Freemasonry.
>Freemasonry sets its members above fellow men. The true reality is that
>it sets them below their fellow men. Jesus Christ said..."What if a man
>should gain the whole world...but loose his soul?" How many souls have
>been lost because of Freemasonry?
>
>My web sites at http://www.jiwalu.demon.co.uk and a new one under
>construction at http://tyne-wear.human-rights.org are part of the
>evidence of the real facts of what Freemasonry is all about. Its members
>within the UK justice system pervert and obstruct justice at every
>chance where their evil minds can play a part in it. They have no
>conscience that is plain to see. Freemasonry rules them to the point
>they will carry out criminal activities without thought for the damage
>they are causing to others. Because of these facts we in the UK only
>have a justice system in name only. The reality is that we have no
>justice system at all. Why did Lords Justices Auld and Pill fail to
>admit or deny that they were masons following their refusal to allow me
>to appeal against the judgement of the criminal former Recorder John H.
>Fryer-Spedding? Why is Spedding being allowed to enjoy his sudden
>decision to retire when those who have carried out lesser criminal
>activities have been imprisoned? Why have all judges in my cases
>published on http://www.jiwalu.demon.co.uk and http://tyne-wear.human-
>rights.org also failed to declare any membership of Freemasonry? They
>were required to do so by reason that I had contributed to the
>Government Enquiry into Freemasonry within the Police and Judiciary. The
>fact that our courts are supposed to be impartial to the proceedings
>before them is in the circumstances proved to be but a myth. Evidence on
>my web sites alone proves beyond all doubt that Masonic judges willingly
>commit high treason by breaching their oath to the Crown that they will
>be fair to all manner of people. The proved exception to their alleged
>rule is those who are classed by them as being anti-masons. It was
>several years ago that I was told by a long standing anti-mason that
>once a person voices concerns about Freemasonry then the law no longer
>applies to them. I was hesitant then to believe that. The passing of
>time since then has proved what he told me was true.
>
>I am satisfied along with others who also contributed to that Enquiry
>into Freemasonry within the Police and Judiciary, headed by Lord Nolan,
>that it was nothing short of an exercise to cover up the true facts of
>Masonic involvement and influence, I would suggest to the point of
>control of our Police and Judiciary. How many British Members of
>Parliament are there who have been assisted by Freemasonry in one way or
>another? Just how many judges, policemen and politicians carry out the
>Masonic bidding as part of their daily exercises and cause for
>Freemasonry? Would George Washington have become President of the
>United States if he had not been a mason? Just how many masons were
>involved in making Washington President? The questions posed regarding
>Freemasonry are numerous. Such is the secrecy within Freemasonry itself
>that it appears most of its rank and file members have not the
>slightest idea of what its thirty three decree control brigade get up
>to behind closed doors?
>
>In my own case other questions still requiring an answer is why was
>Houghton-le-Spring Magistrates Court which is in Tyne-Wear, UK, was
>allowed to get away with conducting illegal proceedings in 1986
>following my having been battered and than struck by a car deliberately
>driven at me? I had uncovered evidence of corruption within then British
>Coal Estates Department. The man who carried out the attack on me, a
>Robert Willis Gardner Pringle, supplied the local Masonic Halls with
>fruit and vegetables for use in its functions. I was never able to learn
>whether or not he was himself a mason.
>
>Why did mason magistrate William Moseley remain on the bench on the day
>the matter was to be heard at the Houghton-le-Spring Magistrates Court
>when he was fully socially acquainted with both myself and Pringle my
>attacker? Why did he later allege that he had stood down despite having
>remained sitting at the magistrates bench when the question arose as to
>his suitability to sit in judgement in that matter.? Why did the courts
>Chief Clerk to the Justices involve himself in the attempted cover up of
>the illegal court proceedings following that attack on me? Why have
>mason led Northumbria Police failed to carry out the duty required of
>them in regard to the latter matter. This matter was where my story all
>started. I could not allow them to get away with it. Why have
>Northumbria Police carried out criminal activities against me in what
>evidence shows were clearly acts designed to cause me as much harm as
>possible? Why did Master of the Rolls Lord Woolf and Lord Chief Justice
>Bingham make an exception in the case of Freemasonry to the rule that
>our courts are required to be impartial to the proceedings before them?
>Why did Deputy District Judge Baird sitting at the Durham County Court,
>UK, unlawfully hear my appeal against the judgement of District Judge
>Scott-Phillips when he most certainly knew that it was a criminal
>offence for him to hear any appeal from a District Judge? Why did Baird
>allow my civil opponent Miss Shirley Carr the use of two advocates, a
>Professor Kenny and a Mr Kevin Kerrigan, when at that time he would not
>even allow my wife into his chambers to assist me? Why did District
>Judge Scott-Phillips falsely claim that an order he made was not his
>order when the person subject of that order breached it? Why did
>District Judge Cuthbertson sitting at both the Sunderland County and
>Durham County Courts carry out acts which were in gross violation of the
>accepted principles of justice. Why did District Judge Jones sitting at
>the Durham County Court hear an alleged bankruptcy action against me
>when he was clearly not impartial to the proceedings before him? Why
>would none of these men formally declare or deny any membership of
>Freemasonry as my case justice required? Why has Northumbria Police
>Authority failed in its duty in regard to my complaints of gross
>misconduct against the mason Chief Constable of Northumbria and several
>of its senior officers? Why did Northumbria Police along with
>Washington, Tyne-Wear, UK Crown Prosecution Service prosecute me for
>allegedly approaching and threatening my civil opponent National
>Insurance Inspector Miss Shirley Carr at the Sunderland County Court?
>Recent evidence produced to me shows that they were in full knowledge
>that an officer of that court in attendance at the time had already
>stated that nothing of note took place in that court Why did the judges
>in my subsequent appeals against my conviction in that false allegation
>refuse to declare any membership of Freemasonry when they had been made
>aware that I had contributed to the Nolan Enquiry into Freemasonry
>within the Police and Judiciary? Were they ignorant as to the meaning of
>the word impartial or just downright bloody defiant to its meaning? Why
>did solicitors A.N. Jackson and C.D, Hughes who were both in receipt of
>evidence in the above evidence which would have cleared me of the charge
>fail to make known its existence either to me or the courts for use in
>my defence in the latter stitchup? Why Did Northumbria Police along with
>assistance of the Washington Crown Prosecution Service set me up an
>another false allegation of harassment from Miss Shirley Carr and then
>use it as an attempt into blackmailing me to have me remove certain
>material from my web site? Why was mason Councillor James Blackburn and
>members of his Councillor family allowed to prevent me from leaving the
>Hetton-le-Hole, Tyne-Wear, UK Council Chambers and then carry out an
>assault on me following their having failed to declare an interest in
>land owned by mason James Blackburn which was subject of housing
>proposals? Why did Superintendent Williams then of Northumbria Police
>fail in his duty to carry out a full and proper investigation into that
>matter when I reported it to Northumbria Police?
>
>The remaining questions are just as lengthy and substantial and in time
>I intend that they will receive an answer. The stench of Masonic
>involvement in the injustice I have and continue to suffer is
>overwhelming. The UK Nolan Enquiry into Freemasonry within the Police
>and Judiciary should be declared null and void. Member of Parliament
>Chris Mullin and I were in regular contact around the time he introduced
>his failed Secret Societies Declaration Bill before Parliament. He was
>also a member of the Nolan Enquiry Committee. It is known that in very
>recent times he assisted the Durham Grand Lodge of Freemasonry into
>obtaining a thirty five thousand pound public grant for the renovation
>of one of its Sunderland Masonic Halls. It is also rumoured that he now
>pays his rent for his Sunderland Constituency Office to the Durham Grand
>Lodge of Freemasonry. His secretary confirmed a few years ago to me that
>they held a file on the matters I had reported to him. My opinion of him
>has since changed considerably. My former MP Roland Boyes had previously
>warned me that if I had "tangled with Freemasonry" I had bitten off more
>than I could chew.
>
>Well, I am still biting and will carry on doing so until Masonic wrongs
>are put to right or until they eventually find a way to rid themselves
>of me. For a start all those holding public office must be required to
>declare any membership of any Secret Society. Freemasonry of course
>heads these. The oaths that masons make on becoming a member are in
>direct conflict to the general public interest. No man can serve two
>masters but masons do this most of the time. Many it would seem are two
>people. One a normal member of society. The other a person with an
>attitude of being a superior person above all fellow none masons. The
>latter it would appear live in a make believe dream world where the
>fantasy and myths about Freemasonry takes over their minds completely.
>
>I might be accused of being bitter towards Freemasonry and I am truly
>that. I have just cause to be. The fact is that if I too did not have a
>conscience I would follow the rank and file and just ignore the wrongs
>carried out on a world wide basis by what is none other than the evil
>empire of Freemasonry. For those who say that Freemasonry is too big to
>fight I would say this. No organisation is too big to fight and by
>failing to fight it when needs require it, the power and procreation of
>evil of such an organisation only increases. This is most certainly
>what has happened in the matter of Freemasonry. I would agree that many
>masons are not bad people at all but probably just subject of an
>illusion that Freemasonry is the end all and a be all in what life
>should be all about. Many masons are gradually coming to terms with the
>plain everyday facts of what Freemasonry is really all about. Many under
>these circumstances are moving away from Freemasonry. To live lie is not
>really living anyway is it?
>
> I dedicate this to and in reply to a U.S mason named Manny. U.S may
>well have two meanings here. I never thought that a fellow human beings
>mind could be so polluted with Freemasonry. His very power of reasoning
>it would seem has been utterly destroyed. His ability to see truth from
>lies has been destroyed along with it. I pity his family who have to put
>up with him. Maybe one day he will end up in a true and just lodge at
>the rate of ten dollars a day away from the fantasy but evil world of
>Freemasonry?
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nucleus
From: Ach...@osho.osho (Acharya Veeren)
Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
Subject: Re: Masonic links to the KKK? (Was Re: Freemasonry and silent films)
Date: 15 Jul 2001 21:12:14 GMT
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
In article <stcbdkd...@corp.supernews.com>, "j ruble"
<jru...@excelonline.com> wrote:
>Brother Mike
>
>In the spirit of Andy's posts, should we ask how many black people are in
>his family?
If you are totally perverted, then why not?
>Shouldn't do that, it's politically incorrect.
>
>SCOTTY
>
>"Mike Wells" <mgwb...@fgi.net> wrote in message
>news:np5z5.21855$Rt3.1...@nntp2.onemain.com...
>>
>> Andy <awesome...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:8qid11$f01q7$1...@ID-50287.news.cis.dfn.de...
>>
>> snip
>>
>> > How many black people are there in the Masons now?
>> >
>> > Andy
>>
>> Masonic records list neither the religion nor the race of its members.
>>
>> Mike Wells
>> mgwb...@fgi.net
Thus spake Acharya Veeren,
Self Appointed Council of Osho,
poisoned by the evillest empires of all,
on the subjects of Arts and Sciences.
nucleus
Redirected from:
From: mason...@aol.com (MasonTruth)
Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
Subject: Re: Freemasonry... The truth about it
Date: 18 Jul 2001 04:01:57 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
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>Subject: Re: Freemasonry... The truth about it
>From: jaqu...@aol.com (jaqueira2)
>Date: 7/17/01 3:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010717182231...@ng-fc1.aol.com>
>
>Manny:
>If you really want to see how sick "Murry" is, do a Google search of his
>postings and where he has posted. UNBELIEVABLE.
Dear V.W, Sam,
I used to communicate with him via e-mail
so I know he is really in left field. First I thought he was just mentally
sick
but then
due to his e-mail escapades to Todd I realized that he doing all this in order
to weasel out of his problems by lieing.
BTW: That "You know you arew old" e-mail
has everyone I sent it or showed it to in stitches.... Thanks!!
S & F,
MasonTruth
Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally
Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
Moreno Valley, CA
"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
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nucleus
From: jgbe...@vcn.bc.ca (Jim Bennie)
Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
Subject: Re: Freemasonry, Skull and Bones, New World Order
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:38:15 +0000 (UTC)
======================= Quote begin =====================
In <gmjncugdfe...@sbyxmu.org>, Ach...@osho.osho (Acharya Veeren)
wrote:
> Which one of your masters is willing to show how
> clear is his vision, how pure is his heart,
> and how sincere is his intent?
Crossposting responses to ancient posts anonymously to other
newsgroups certainly shows *your* sincerity, ol' Face of Disgrace
guy. Is the Usenet Troll award up for grabs this month? Good luck!
> Do you recognize these names?
> George Herbert Walker Bush
No, I asked for a list of Masons, not non-Masons. Asked for it
months ago. Still can't produce it, eh? Come on now, Face. No more
hiding! No more cover-ups with your co-conspirators! Let's see that
list of environmentally-unfriendly Masons .. even ones who don't
own subs with flags that go soggy when underwater but stay crunchy
in milk.
Come on, Face, ol' bean!
I know you can do it.
Not.
Just like the way
You write
Tiny incoherent sentences.
Like this.
Jim Bennie, IPM No. 44, Vancouver
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nucleus
<krowlan...@kalnet.net> wrote:
>
>nucleus <nuc...@invalid.you.are> wrote
>"Kate" <krowlan...@kalnet.net> wrote:
>
>> >Welcome to a.r.na. I see you've met Terrible Tom before. :)
>> >Kate
>
>> Nope. But his mind is so standard,
>> you can recognize these patterns,
>> programmed into it,
>> within the first sentence or so.
>
>> They are so corrupt
>> and so perverted,
>> you must be a total idiot
>> not to recognize these patterns
>> of brainwashing.
>
>> I call them bio-robots,
>> brainwashed to oblivion.
>
>I'm not just any idiot,
>I claim brainless newbie status.
Oh, I am zo zorry.
But why brainless?
Some master of delusion convinced you zo?
There is a nice trick you can do.
It is called a chainsaw up their output hole.
Ever heard?
>Plonkbait for someone
>of your fine flaming calibre
>
>Which is why Dog Boy
>who I know as Terrible Tom,
>makes it his mission
>to fuck with my recovery anyway he can.
>
>He is not able to f(lame) anyone else.
>Only women in support groups,
>a real flamer would wound him too much.
>He is frightened of you...
Nah.
Ima such a "nice" peison.
Why would he?
>Occasionally his efforts
>go beyond the beyond
>and I have to take notice..
>when he posted my home phone number
Typical trick.
They do it to everybody,
who is threatening their idiocy.
>when he spams my email from a yahoo account
>when he tries to get my posts cancelled.
Standard procedure I'd say.
>Otherwise, I have plonked the fuck-wit,
>a long time ago..
>Kate
nucleus
nucleus
<slrn9lg200....@adsl-141-154-25-168.bostma.adsl.bellatlantic.net>,
meo...@meowing.net (Generic Meowbot) wrote:
>nucleus wrote:
>
>>>INN is hardly an American product. It currently has maintainers in the
>>>UK, Japan and US, with contributors in many more places than that; and the
>>>primary maintainer before the current crew was in France.
>>
>>This is something new.
>>
>>My understanding is that INN is maintained by ISC,
>>Internet Software Consortium. Specifically by Russ Allbery.
>
>The ISC dropped support for INN a year or two ago. They still donate
>server space to the project, but all the work is now being done by
>independent parties.
>
>For the past few releases, the project has been jointly led by Russ
>(you've been introduced) and Katsuhiro Kondou (Japan). Recent major
>additions for the 2.4 series have been coming from Heath Kehoe (US) who
>wrote the fast and scary ovdb and Alex Kiernan (UK) who has just rewritten
>all the history code
>
>Marco d'Itri (Italy) is doing the current control message work, though
>I'm not sure if he's got commit access.
>
>That is a *very* limited view of who actually takes care of the INN
>tree, see the long list in the CONTRIBUTORS file for all the people who
>wrote other major and minor pieces of the system.
>
>>Since the source code is open,
>>there may be many others "mainaining" it,
>>but this is the same as someone elses version
>>of Linux kernel.
>
>No, those people have commit access to the main source tree hosted at
>isc.org, meaning they all are basically free to change anything inthe
>source tree.
>
>>I can also claim I "maintain" the Linux kernel,
>>or even that very INN.
>
>You cannot, however, claim that you maintain ISC INN, as the above
>group do.
>
>
>>>>to facilitate MAXIMUM amount
>>>>of user tracking, censorship,
>>>>totalitarianism,
>>>>providing hooks for the time
>>>>of global Electronic Warfare?
>>>
>>>That is the nature of all open source software.
>>
>>Nope. Nothing even CLOSE to it.
>
>What do you mean by that? As shipped, the filters in INN don't even do
>anything. Cleanfeed and the like aren't there unless the user manually
>downloads and installs it separately. Even the newgroup/rmgroup
>message handling has been removed from the latest INN, it is an
>external program now.
>
>Where are the secrets? Who is pulling wool over anyone's eyes?
>
>[ Red Hat, for some goofy reason, go ahead and pre-install Cleanfeed,
> but what RH distribute is _not_ the ISC version of INN. ]
>
>>Just because the source code is open,
>>it does not imply you put in the most pervasive
>>combination of tricks to maximize user tracking
>>and custom tailor functionality to maximize
>>totalitarianism, tightening and things like that.
>
>Please provide specific examples of what you are talking about. What
>versions of INN, which files, which functions are executing these
>sinister plans? What evil behaviors have you observed when feedinmg
>sample articles to a test copy of INN? Have you actually done any of
>this, or are you blindly accepting the propaganda of people who want no
>more than to use you as a pawn in their political battles?
>
>Again Bloxy, I implore you to check this out for yourself. Download
>the software. Read it. Start it up (on an isolated machine if you are
>untrusting), feed it news, and compare what goes in against what comes
>back out. Examine the logs it generates for yourself. INN is
>completely open, you are free and welcome to do this.
>
>[I was tempted to offer to assist you in this investigation, but then
>realized that you have no reason to trust me either.]
>
>>> If the world at large is
>>>allowed to see and modify the source code, it can use it for dubious
> purposes.
>>
>>Funkay logic.
>
>How so? It is entirely true.
>
>>I am not talking about any customized version of INN,
>>but the one "officially" available via "authorized"
>>"maintainers".
>
>Oh, well the officil version is absolutely timid when it comes to
>rejecting and filtering things. As noted above, the sample filters
>don't even work.
>
>>>Hiding the sources would not change this very much, as users of modified
>>>variations of Forte Agent can verify.
>>
>>What are you talking about here?
>
>The only hope there would be for INN to not be subverted by people with
>ill motives would be to attempt to hide its interfaces. Such attempts
>would be easily defeated [not to mention that without source code, it
>*would* be possible to hide nasty things in there].
>
>>>>Now, how many tricks are custom built-in
>>>>into that piece of evil empire code
>>>
>>>Why not download the source code, see for yourself, and tell us?
>>
>>I don't even need to look at the source code.
>>I can see the effects of it in action.
>
>And I am telling you that the effects you are seeing are _not_ coming
>from ISC INN. Those effects come from the local, unofficial changes
>to INN that you are refusing to consider. The ISC software is not
>doing those things, the users are adding them.
>
>That is why I encourage you to look for yourself. Do not believe what
>others tell you.
>
>>What is NNTP-Posting host field?
>
>Oh, you mean the header that used to be hard-coded into nnrpd until the
>ISC version added a flag so that it could be easily disabled?
Meanwhile, the NNTP-Posting host is used
on nearly every server, no matter how you cut it.
"Easily disabled", "easily enable",
that is all but sucking sounds.
The net effect wordwide is what?
>>What is it for?
>
>It was originally added to discourage forgery.
By whom?
What is it used for now?
Well, it is used as one of the MOST potent weapons
by these very fascists to netcop and suppress the speech,
violate your privacy and terrorise anybody,
who challenges these totalitarian perverts.
Take that shit out of INN.
Otherwise, get lost.
>>ANY idea?
>
>NNTP-Posting-Host was actually added at a time when most people
>accessed news from shared shell systems, not individual workstations.
>The ability to turn it off, and the
>X-Trace encryption that Russ wants to add,
Whatever Russ wants to add is what?
I mean ANYTHING he wants to "improve" is what?
> are efforts to address the privacy concerns that have arisen
>since that time.
Uhu.
What is X-Trace on the first place?
>>Well, to MAXIMIZE USER tracking and identification.
>>Here goes your privacy.
>
>Those requiring privacy have numerous posting options, many of them
>free of charge, that will not display the originating host.
How?
What are those "posting options" that are free of charge?
> If no such
>alternatives existed, the header would quite likely not exist.
>
>>With that sinlge piece of information,
>>you can be traced within seconds with minimal assistance
>>from your ISP.
>
>An ISP can do it equally well without that header.
Uhu. Tell me about it.
> The underlying
>network software, not INN, is what tracks what is connected, when they
>are connected, and what they are doing. NNTP-Posting-Host merely
>provides an index into information that is already at their disposal
>and easily obtained.
Depends on how much you pervert it.
One more time: The NNTP-PostingHost is about the MOST
potent weapon there is.
>Perhaps your attention would be better directed toward such parties
>cisco and Lucent, who provide the actual tracking ability.
You just do YOUR thing. Those are different issues.
Why are you trying to pervert it and hide it like
there is just "nothing wong"?
Perhaps you should examine your own header
and show me where that NNTP-Posting host is?
I am not seeing it.
Why?
Is there some kind of "mistake"?
Tell me, oh master of disaster,
sitting here, justifying totalitarianism as such
and the tricks of their trade.
>>I have seeen Typhoon server headers and they do not contain
>>the NNTP posting host.
>
>They contain X-Trace, which includes that posting host.
Gimme that header.
>>What is the ability to minimize the number of cross-posts
>>down to 1?
>
>That is accomplished with user-written code.
Uhu.
Tell me about it.
>>Well, censorship in PURE sense.
>>
>>Someone else rather than writer is controlling how many
>>places the publication is going out to.
>
>That is the work of individual news administrators. Again, your
>contempt is misdirected.
Sure, EVERYTHING I say here is "wrong" I bet.
Anything else?
>>Stupid essentially because you can simply post the same
>>post individually to several groups.
>
>Yes, there are lots of stupid filters in use, and especially lots of
>stupid crosspost filters in use. Russ wrote none of those.
I bet Russ contributed in the MOST significant ways
in order to limit privacy, assist in identification
and tracking and ALL sorts of jazz.
Anybody else is there who is equally as corrupt,
as he is?
>> The only thing it
>>achieves is to fragment a discussion. If you crosspost
>>your article to servarl related groups, you would have
>>to track all the individual followups on your post.
>>
>>What is the purpose of this functionality again?
>
>To prove that lots of people running news servers aren't too swift?
>>Well, domination and oppression.
>>Nothing else.
>
>Those filters are usually added per customer requests, in fact.
And on and on and on.
>>On what basis your INN can prevent you from posting
>>"Approved:" header?
>
>The basis is RFC 1036, which states
>
>: 2.2.11. Approved
>: This line is required for any message posted to a moderated newsgroup.
>: It should be added by the moderator and consist of his mail address.
>: It is also required with certain control messages.
>
>The Approved: header is for moderators.
Censors and those, who are forever supported
by the same clique of totalitarian dictators,
like Russ Allbery, taking over the public forums
and coverting them to a "private property".
No matter what those so called moderated groups
were meant to be, at least in the minds of those,
who created this very idea, they are now one of
the MOST potent weapons of censorship.
MOST potent weapon.
Used to fabricate all sorts of lies,
using that very RFC as some kind of word of god,
to justify their blatant censorship, domination
and oppression, totalitarianism and outright fascism.
>>Well, to facilitate censorship and totalitarianism again.
>>It allows only "authorized" group "owners" as defined by
>>these perverts, usenet mafia, those totalitarian censors,
>>to "approve" the articles.
>
>Well, yeah =) Note that moderated newsgroups have been controversial
>since the day they were introduced, and that this is why the vast
>majority of newsgroups remain unmoderated 20 years later.
Over 15% of big-sucking-8 groups are "moderated".
About 90% of those groups are "moderated" in place.
They are PURE takeovers of the public forums.
In combination with the totalitarian dictatorship
ideology, some of the MOST important groups there are,
such as comp.ai, sci.psychology.consciousness,
have been taken over by some of the MOST blatant
perverts, pathological liars, censors and fascists.
These virtual criminals even use this very "moderation"
thing to netcop those, who oppose that very ideology
of totalitarinism.
They fabricate lies and deceit, classifying a
valid speech as some kind of "forgery" and
"usenet crime", those criminals.
About as perverted, as it gets.
>>The very concept of group "ownership" on usenet goes
>>smack against all the most dearly held traditions.
>
>This is simply false. Newsgroups with restricted posting have existed
>since the earliest days, starting with the (often moderated) mailing
>lists gated to fa.*
Anything else?
This is getting as boring, as it gets.
You will be SQUARELY justifying ALL of it
and denying all there is to deny.
Tell me, are you as corrupt, as Russ Allbery?
>>Furthermore, 90% of all "moderated" groups, "owned"
>>by those blood boiling censors, are taken over in place.
>>Thus, no uncensored version of this group can exist.
>
>Please provide the statistics for this.
Ever heard of David Lawrence?
Look at his checkgroup messages in archives.
Btw, what is the nature of his association with ISC?
That pervert Russ never answered ANY of the questions.
> Historically it was physically
>impossible to moderate a group in place, and from what I see most
>modeated groups since then have been additions, not conversions.
Comp.ai, sci.psychology.consciousness.
I bet the list gets pretty long.
As to how you are going to pervert the notion of
"additions", again, it all depends on how corrupt you are.
Those "additions" are in effect the same thing
as takeovers in place. Because from then on,
that subject becomes unavalable to public uncensored
discussion.
The very notion of "moderated" group being
a PROPERTY of "moderators" is WAY beyond obscene.
It is perversion of the most profound grade.
>>This is but a miniscule set of "features" of INN.
>>I bet just looking at INN configuration files
>>you'll find PLENTY of hidden tricks and traps.
>
>Moderated groups are not in any way, shape or form specific to INN,
>virtually all news servers written since 1983 support it.
You will be justifying it forever,
no matter what kind of tricks you utilize.
The net effect, nevertheless, will turn out to be
what usenet has become,
a totalitarian system of mind control
and perversion of the very principle of public service
and free exchange of ideas and coversion of usenet
into the outlet of party propaganda and reduction
of intelligence to the lowest common denominator grade.
You are sitting here doing what again?
>>Now, with these kinds of "features", being the usenet mafia,
>>you can force ANY news admin to enable or disable ANYTHING
>>YOU want,
>
>This too is false. The moderatioin status of a newsgroup is under the
>complete control of each local site administrator. Many (most?) of
>these people _choose_ to follow the mainstream moderation status of
>groups, but there is no mandate.
What is the NET effect as it is right this very moment,
Mr. manipulator and fabricator of delusions,
who, to this very point, did not find ANYTHING "wrong"
with ANY of this totalitarianism?
> I remember not too long ago when a
>moderated group was proposed and even Russ stated that if it passed, he
>would ignore the control message and carry it as unmoderated.
Never heard of such a thing.
Which group it was again?
Date?
MSGID?
Subject?
Again, ANYTHING Russ does is to support totalitarianism
and fascism.
>> just as they done in case of news.ukr.net,
>>threatening them via their uplink with virtual terrorism
>>and disconnection from usenet.
>
>Oh, well that's not a Usenet thing but just a small piece the grand
>Ukrainian plan to take over the world.
Yup, corrupt to the bone and marror.
The same pervert as all these totalitarian dictators here.
Are you one of them?
> This phase of the operation was
>completed in 1997 when I declared myself Ruler of All Usenet. =)
YOU?
No wonder you are making all these hissing sounds here.
>>You need EVIDENCE?
>
>Nope, I have all the evidence I need to know that your histility is
>misplaced.
Everything is fine.
Remain calm and content.
We are making progresss.
Everything is fine.
Remain calm and content.
We are making progresss.
Everything is fine.
Remain calm and content.
We are making progresss.
Do you want a free coke?
>>> [I am
>>>assuming here, given your keen interest in AI, that you are familiar
>>>with reading program code. Is that a safe assumption?] If you see
>>>particular problems and can offer a better way to handle them, concrete
>>>suggestions for improvement are always of interest.
>>
>>Not necessarily.
>
>Yes, it really works that way.
I can offer anything.
But to the corrupt totalitarian perverts
it is but an excuse to pervert it further.
You, personally, know it all too well.
Do I need to tell you what needs to be taken care of?
Are you as dumb, as you look?
>>The news admins, participating on news.* groups
>>are those very totalitarian dictators and the same
>>usenet mafia clique.
>
>Oh, wait. I thought your issue was with the ISC.
Yup, sucking as good, as it gets.
End of input.
> So it is actually
>the news administrators acting independently whose decisions you
>dislike? If so, your recourse is to use news servers operated by
>people with preferences matching your own. You do have the freedom to
>choose.
>
>>Talking to them is not only futile, but what you are going
>>to get back is harassments, insults and redicule.
>
>I agree that among news administrators, as with _every_ other grouping
>of people, you will find a number of fuckheads. It is ishoinest,
>however, to paint all members of a group of people with the same brush.
>There are many fair and honest people running news servers, but you'll
>have to seek them out.
>
>>These totalitarian dictators are so drunk with power
>>and megalomania, that they literally think they own
>>the usenet as such and can do ANYTHING THEY please.
>
>Well, they can. Usenet is not a unified entity, but a loose collection
>of independently operated systems. Some are extremely liberal, some
>are unreasonably strict, most are somewhere in between.
>
>>But...
>>
>>They represent but a miniscule part of news admins worldwide.
>
>Right, and this makes it very easy to bypass them.
>
>>In order to return usenet back to public,
>>you'd have to waste years, organizing and emailing
>>to all the news admins worldwide
>>and bringing their attention to these AUTOMATED
>>tricks of totalitarian dictatorship built right into
>>their news servers.
>
>All those administrators know perfectly well what is happening, and
>they accept or reject those policies as they see fit. Most happen to
>accept those policies.
>
>>That is the VERY trick of it all.
>>
>>Even if current clique of dictators just dissapears,
>>what you have left is a GIANT system of automated
>>totalitarianism.
>>
>>The big-8 will simply freeze.
>>
>>That is the WHOLE point.
>
>You seem to believe that news administrators are unable to think for
>themselves. This is simply not so. The Big-8 and other administered
>hierarchies really and truly are operated the way they are
>voluntarily.
>
>>During these years, it has come to its ultimate
>>fruition of TOTAL domination, built right into
>>your news server code and NNTP protocols.
>>
>>Russ Allbery is one of preetty active participants
>>in news.software.nntp group, forver proposing
>>the new tricks of control, domination and oppression,
>>identification, limitation and totalitarianism.
>
>I'm also one of the pretty active participants in news.software.nntp,
>and have consistently seen that Russ has consistently resisted any
>attempts to dictate policy through software. Are you sure you are not
>confusing him with somebody else?
>
>>Looking at archives of that group,
>>your hair will raise,
>>if you comprehend what has been done ALREADY.
>
>I know exactly what has been done, and have even done a small amount of
>the implementation work. What suggestsions, precisely, do you object
>to? What alternatives do you offer? Things do not change unless
>people make the changes, or at the very least offer ideas good enough
>for others to make them. Again, what specific changes do you propose?
>
>>Even at this moment, they are looking at ways
>>to make NNTP posting host TOTALLY reliable.
>
>That would be a silly thing to try to do, and it isn't being attemped,
>because it can't be done. Proxies make such a thing impossible.
>
>>For what?
>>
>>Are they from military or intelligence?
>
>Nope.
>
>>Oh, that trick of "net abuse" again?
>
>You're losing it.
>
>>Here:
>>
>>http://www.radix.net/~revjack/snotwad/snotwad0.htm
>
>Oh, that's some old SPUTUM crap. Yes, SPUTUM has its share of
>net.kooks. No, most people do not take them seriously.
>
>[much snippage because I ran out of time, sorry.]
nucleus
<fwb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Henry Vizi wrote:
>>
>> "nucleus" <nuc...@invalid.you.are> wrote in message
>> news:9j7s9s$12jj$6...@news.ukr.net...
>> > In article <YhK57.11475$gj1.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> "Henry Vizi" <Drwho...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> > >> Thus, introducing the murder into a constituion
>> > >> simply creates a havoc and basically makes that
>> > >> very society a society of AUTHORIZED killers,
>> > >> no matter who kills what, when and why.
>> > >
>> > >How does owning a gun lead to murder? Murder by definition is
>> > >killing WITHOUT JUST CAUSE.
>> >
>> > >Any other killing is not murder.
>> >
>> >
>> > End of input.
>>
>
>You're dealing with Bloxy's. Rationality doesn't even begin to enter
>the picture. Rational discourse presupposes you're dealing with an
>intelligent, rational human being, and Bloxy's clearly doesn't qualify.
Zig heil!
>--
>Wayne Brown | "When your tail's in a crack, you improvise
>fwb...@bellsouth.net | if you're good enough. Otherwise you give
>http://betsyrandle.cjb.net | your pelt to the trapper."
>http://urbmyth.cjb.net | -- John Myers Myers, "Silverlock"
nucleus
<usene...@usenetcabal.net> wrote:
>A Meowbot <meo...@meowing.net> wrote in message
> <87d76vg...@adsl-141-154-25-168.bostma.adsl.bellatlantic.net>:
>
>[ISC and INN]
>> They are also still the copyright holders of record, which is
>> certainly fair given that they are still footing the bill for network
>> services, the file and mail servers, and the upkeep of those systems.
>> They just can't commit people to the project.
>
>They own it. Period. All your arguments about independant ISC
>agents making contributions notwithstanding, INN is still
>an ISC (funding received from disa.mil) product.
One more time:
ISC, Internet Software Consortium,
is but a front to military and intelligence,
used to facilitate the information gathering
and dominate the information flow on usenet.
ALL the necessary provisions
to conduct the electronic warfare
and allow the evillest empire of all
to TOTALLY black hole the Internet, need be,
are in place by now.
Thanks to Russ Allbery,
the master of delusion,
the intolerant, blood boiling dictator,
who created these dictates, they call
"guidelines", to be used as some kind of
usenet "law" in order to opress and dominate
the usenet.
These megalomaniacal, intolerant, blood boiling
fascists could not manage to get a totally fascist
version of usenet, Usenet 2 out of the ground.
As a result, they decided to take the usenet
as it is and convert it into the same model
as that "usenet 2" thing, ruled by the megalomaniacs,
calling themselves "czars".
http:/www.usenet2.org
As such, mind you.
All the members of the usenet mafia,
the totalitarian dicators,
facilitating the MOST blatant form of censorship,
having ALL the "power" to TOTALLY dominate usenet,
are operating from a single coutry,
United Sucking States,
called USONA, by other people of the American continents.
(USONA = United States of North America)
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