Moderator Vacancy Investigation: comp.compression.research
Alexander Bartolich
moderated group comp.compression.research
This is a formal Moderator Vacancy Investigation (MVI), begun because
moderated newsgroup comp.compression.research is not functioning, and may have
been abandoned by its moderator(s).
This investigation will attempt to verify the reasons for non-function,
and may result in the removal of the group or the selection and instal-
lation of a new moderator. In practice, the Big-8 Management Board
considers the third alternative--changing the status of the group from
moderated to unmoderated--as likely to cause more harm than good.
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
comp.compression.research Discussions about data compression research. (Moderated)
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
comp.compression.research
PROPONENT:
Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>
CHARTER OF COMP.COMPRESSION.RESEARCH
comp.compression.research is for discussion about data compression research.
RATIONALE:
Probe posts to this group resulted in bounces.
<comp-compres...@moderators.isc.org>: host
moderators.switch.ch[130.59.10.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address
(in reply to RCPT TO command)
HISTORY OF THE GROUP:
Unmoderated group comp.compression.research passed its vote for creation
by 312:10 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 19 Jun 1992.
The status was changed to moderated after it passed vote for moderation
by 192:27 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 5 Oct 1993.
PROCEDURE:
Those who wish to comment on this moderator vacancy investigation should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant
threads in that newsgroup.
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.
For more information on the MVI process, please see
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi
CHANGE HISTORY:
2009-10-29 Probe post bounced
2009-11-01 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
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Niels Fröhling
> MODERATOR VACANCY INVESTIGATION (MVI)
> moderated group comp.compression.research
>
> This is a formal Moderator Vacancy Investigation (MVI), begun because
> moderated newsgroup comp.compression.research is not functioning, and may have
> been abandoned by its moderator(s).
>
> This investigation will attempt to verify the reasons for non-function,
> and may result in the removal of the group or the selection and instal-
> lation of a new moderator. In practice, the Big-8 Management Board
> considers the third alternative--changing the status of the group from
> moderated to unmoderated--as likely to cause more harm than good.
As far as I know the moderator is still active (Peter Gutman). I also have
approval-rights, but I don't get the mails to approve (but that's intentional).
We (or I) tried to implement a STUMP so we have a better interface but that
piece is so complicated that I gave up. As nobody could explain me how to setup
something that does NOT require a inews, but can use a normal news-posting command.
Ciao
Niels
Alexander Bartolich
> [...]
> As far as I know the moderator is still active (Peter Gutman). I also have
> approval-rights, but I don't get the mails to approve (but that's intentional).
Oh. It would be very nice if Peter could drop a few lines on how he
sees things.
Anyway, sending mail to comp-compres...@moderators.isc.org
just gets me a bounce. And according to Google the last regular post
to ccr appeared 2002-12-27.
> We (or I) tried to implement a STUMP so we have a better interface but that
> piece is so complicated that I gave up. As nobody could explain me how to setup
> something that does NOT require a inews, but can use a normal news-posting command.
Incidentally, I can provide web-based moderation software running on
my server. So neither technology nor finances should be the problem.
However, I am really curious on how you intend to revive the group
after seven years of inactivity.
--
Niels Fröhling
> Oh. It would be very nice if Peter could drop a few lines on how he
> sees things.
I wrote him, he should come around.
> Anyway, sending mail to comp-compres...@moderators.isc.org
> just gets me a bounce. And according to Google the last regular post
> to ccr appeared 2002-12-27.
Hm, I believe there are newer posts, as new as maybe july. But the only type
of posts for the moment are call-for-papers for conferences.
>> We (or I) tried to implement a STUMP so we have a better interface but that
>> piece is so complicated that I gave up. As nobody could explain me how to setup
>> something that does NOT require a inews, but can use a normal news-posting command.
>
> Incidentally, I can provide web-based moderation software running on
> my server. So neither technology nor finances should be the problem.
> However, I am really curious on how you intend to revive the group
> after seven years of inactivity.
Well, that would be very nice. We should take your offer (sci.crypt.research
is the other group in need of moderation software) ... but anyway I really
really wish I could run it on my server ...
How'd we proceed?
The revivial won't be such a problem, at least not that big as re-establishing
a FAQ-reminder in comp.compression. I tried, never got an answer, for me it
means the barriers to do just about anything beyond posting is higher than the
mount everest :-|
To get an idea about the revival please read the comp.compression.random
proposal. There _is_ a lot to guide into ccr, would be much easier with
FAQ-reminder, ccr-is-alive reminder and white-lists for specific people.
IMHO ccr is "dead" because of technical reasons.
Ciao
Niels
Doug Freyburger
>
> As far as I know the moderator is still active (Peter Gutman). I also have
> approval-rights, but I don't get the mails to approve (but that's intentional).
I remember mention of CCR in the June 2009 RFD for
comp.compression.random that did not progress past the initial RFD
stage:
Message-ID: <28fe085e-5b06-4e66...@e24g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>
> We (or I) tried to implement a STUMP so we have a better interface but that
> piece is so complicated that I gave up. As nobody could explain me how to setup
> something that does NOT require a inews, but can use a normal news-posting command.
You signed on to the moderation team:
Message-ID: <be9a5aa0-7d27-47de...@g19g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
You have not posted on the topic since then. You have also not availed
yourself of any of the Big-8 resources like the groups-mentors for help
on the topic. You gave up without even asking for help? Your level of
motivation must be low.
Niels Fröhling
> I remember mention of CCR in the June 2009 RFD for
> comp.compression.random that did not progress past the initial RFD
> stage:
>
> Message-ID:<28fe085e-5b06-4e66...@e24g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>
Right, so you might extrapolate why.
>> We (or I) tried to implement a STUMP so we have a better interface but that
>> piece is so complicated that I gave up. As nobody could explain me how to setup
>> something that does NOT require a inews, but can use a normal news-posting command.
>
> You signed on to the moderation team:
>
> Message-ID:<be9a5aa0-7d27-47de...@g19g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
I aquired the possibility of moderation, I won't be moderator until I have
adequate resources to fullfill my job. And if I don't even get a simple
FAQ-reminder through the system I won't moderate anyway. If I can't do better
(than status-quo), what's the point?
> You have not posted on the topic since then. You have also not availed
> yourself of any of the Big-8 resources like the groups-mentors for help
> on the topic. You gave up without even asking for help? Your level of
> motivation must be low.
I was in communication with Paul W. Schleck, interrupted by a marauding
email-server policy application, which finally cut off any communication.
You may understand that people have different thresholds of enduring
(ridiculous) technical or burocratic hurdles. I believe there is (should be) no
universal relationship between masochism and volunteerism.
Your sarcastic comment does not actually help the group or it's moderation
team. And it is not very respectfull, considering the best-faith attempt to
follow written Big-8 resources and suggestions.
I'm a technical person, I follow the written guide-lines, if it doesn't work I
stop, I don't search to be caught in endless circular discussions to make the
most simple of (technical) things work. Feel free to correct me about the
"simplicity" of things.
Ciao
Niels
Alexander Bartolich
moderated group comp.compression.research
Niels Fr�hling is the new moderator of comp.compression.research.
He was appointed by the old moderator, Peter Gutmann.
A probe post confirmed that the new submission address is working.
CHANGE HISTORY:
2009-10-29 Probe post bounced
2009-11-01 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-04-07 MVI Closed
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