Archive of initial RFD's {or similar content}

[Richard Owlett]

I had asked in several groups for suggestions of USENET groups where
discussion about home PC monitoring of blood pressure. Eventually I was
refereed to news.groups.proposals with the suggestion I initiate the
creation of such a group.

I found http://www.big-8.org/articles/b/i/g/Big-8_Usenet.html and
followed possibly relevant links in order to know whether such a group
existed and/or had been proposed. The only link I found was
http://www.big-8.org/articles/a/r/c/Archived_Announcements.html which
appears to be incomplete and has had no additions for ~4 years.

Is there perhaps a site other than www.big-8.org which would have
similar content?

Thank you.

[Kathy Morgan]

Richard Owlett <row...@cloud85.net> wrote:

> I had asked in several groups for suggestions of USENET groups where
> discussion about home PC monitoring of blood pressure. Eventually I was
> refereed to news.groups.proposals with the suggestion I initiate the
> creation of such a group.

I can't imagine that there would be sufficient interest in such a group
to create a viable amount of traffic if the group were created.

> I found http://www.big-8.org/articles/b/i/g/Big-8_Usenet.html and
> followed possibly relevant links in order to know whether such a group
> existed and/or had been proposed. The only link I found was
> http://www.big-8.org/articles/a/r/c/Archived_Announcements.html which
> appears to be incomplete and has had no additions for ~4 years.

You are correct--that page is no longer being maintained. I don't
personally recall that or a similar group having ever been proposed in
the Big 8. You might check your full list of groups for something
possibly in alt.*

> Is there perhaps a site other than www.big-8.org which would have
> similar content?

I think you would probably be more likely to find what you want using a
Web search. Also, check for newsgroups where fitness trackers and smart
watches are discussed.

--
Kathy - speaking only for myself

[David E. Ross]

Try <ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/>, which is
actually viewable via any Web browser. You do not need to access it via
FTP.

--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Yes, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and other
"founding fathers" owned slaves. However, they created
a nation. Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, Thomas
"Stonewall" Jackson and other "heroes" of the
Confederacy tried to tear the nation apart. Statues
and other monuments to those "heroes" of the
Confederacy actually celebrate traitors and treason.

See my <http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_conf_flag.html>.

[Richard Owlett]

On 09/09/2017 06:20 PM, Kathy Morgan wrote:
> Richard Owlett <row...@cloud85.net> wrote:
>
>> I had asked in several groups for suggestions of USENET groups where
>> discussion about home PC monitoring of blood pressure. Eventually
>> I was refereed to news.groups.proposals with the suggestion I
>> initiate the creation of such a group.
>
> I can't imagine that there would be sufficient interest in such
> a group to create a viable amount of traffic if the group were
> created.
>

If the group covered only what I described, I would agree. However I was
looking for a group where my topic would be within the group's charter
rather than in a sense being it's charter.

Further browsing after my initial post suggested possible group titles
of sci.med.home-health or comp.home.health .

>> I found http://www.big-8.org/articles/b/i/g/Big-8_Usenet.html and
>> followed possibly relevant links in order to know whether such a group
>> existed and/or had been proposed. The only link I found was
>> http://www.big-8.org/articles/a/r/c/Archived_Announcements.html which
>> appears to be incomplete and has had no additions for ~4 years.
>
> You are correct--that page is no longer being maintained. I don't
> personally recall that or a similar group having ever been proposed in
> the Big 8. You might check your full list of groups for something
> possibly in alt.*
>
>> Is there perhaps a site other than www.big-8.org which would have
>> similar content?
>
> I think you would probably be more likely to find what you want using
> a Web search.

That's where I started ;/

> Also, check for newsgroups where fitness trackers and smart
> watches are discussed.
>

I don't see how to search for either.

Thank you.

[Richard Owlett]

On 09/10/2017 12:19 AM, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 9/9/2017 1:35 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>> I had asked in several groups for suggestions of USENET groups where
>> discussion about home PC monitoring of blood pressure. Eventually I was
>> refereed to news.groups.proposals with the suggestion I initiate the
>> creation of such a group.
>>
>> I found http://www.big-8.org/articles/b/i/g/Big-8_Usenet.html and
>> followed possibly relevant links in order to know whether such a group
>> existed and/or had been proposed. The only link I found was
>> http://www.big-8.org/articles/a/r/c/Archived_Announcements.html which
>> appears to be incomplete and has had no additions for ~4 years.
>>
>> Is there perhaps a site other than www.big-8.org which would have
>> similar content?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
> Try <ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/>, which is
> actually viewable via any Web browser. You do not need to access it via
> FTP.
>

I just took a second look at that URL.
There is more content there than I thought.
Will have to think about a semi-automated search for the information I'm
looking for. It may not be where *I* expect.

Thank you.

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> David E Ross <nob...@nowhere.invalid> writes:
>>>>> On 9/9/2017 1:35 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...]

>> I found http://www.big-8.org/articles/b/i/g/Big-8_Usenet.html and
>> followed possibly relevant links in order to know whether such a
>> group existed and/or had been proposed. The only link I found was
>> http://www.big-8.org/articles/a/r/c/Archived_Announcements.html
>> which appears to be incomplete and has had no additions for ~4
>> years.

>> Is there perhaps a site other than www.big-8.org which would have
>> similar content?

> Try <ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/>, which is
> actually viewable via any Web browser. You do not need to access it
> via FTP.

Except to access it /not/ via FTP (the protocol, not program),
you'd use http://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/
as the URI.

Depending on the browser, and more importantly, how said browser
reaches the Internet at large, it may not be possible to access
FTP (ftp:) resources at all. For instance, the Polipo HTTP proxy
(which may get handy alongside Tor) does not support FTP at all.

Similarly, having a NAT box that's not configured to properly
"intercept" transit FTP connections may prevent one from talking
to outside FTP servers.

--
FSF associate member #7257 http://am-1.org/~ivan/ 7D17 4A59 6A21 3D97 6DDB

[Mark Kramer]

In article <87shf6y...@violet.siamics.net>,

Ivan Shmakov <iv...@siamics.net> wrote:
> Except to access it /not/ via FTP (the protocol, not program),
> you'd use http://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/
> as the URI.

Only if there is a web server running on that host that is using the
same pathing. That isn't a given, you know.

> Similarly, having a NAT box that's not configured to properly
> "intercept" transit FTP connections may prevent one from talking
> to outside FTP servers.

Intercepting connections shouldn't be necessary. FTP can work through
NAT. Any web browser that does FTP protocol should be using PASV mode.

[David E. Ross]

I use my Web browser to view
<ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/>. I do not need
to change the "ftp://" to "http://". My browser is SeaMonkey, which has
the same internal "guts" as Firefox. Thus, Firefox could also view that
without changing the "ftp://" to "http://".

--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Anything I post in this newsgroup is my personal
opinion and does not reflect the official position
of the Big8-Usenet Board.

[Ivan Shmakov]

>>>>> Mark Kramer <c28...@TheWorld.com> writes:

>>>>> In article <87shf6y...@violet.siamics.net>, Ivan Shmakov wrote:

>> Except to access it /not/ via FTP (the protocol, not program), you'd
>> use http://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/ as the URI.

> Only if there is a web server running on that host that is using the
> same pathing.

I didn't suggest otherwise.

> That isn't a given, you know.

I've checked that it applies to ftp.isc.org specifically before
posting the URI.

>> Similarly, having a NAT box that's not configured to properly
>> "intercept" transit FTP connections may prevent one from talking to
>> outside FTP servers.

> Intercepting connections shouldn't be necessary. FTP can work
> through NAT. Any web browser that does FTP protocol should be using
> PASV mode.

Three different transfer modes are one of the issues with FTP.
I recall stumbling upon a server that supported EPSV, but
silently failed PASV (or vice versa.)

I don't see any value in both FTP in general and ftp: URIs in
particular these days. HTTP(S), Rsync, and either Rsync/SSH or
SFTP, seem to cover all the use cases, and are just plain better.