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Proposal: New Alt Group alt.flyfishing.advocacy, or .politics

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Moe Skeeter

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Dec 9, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/9/98
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I would like to propose an advocacy or politics group to the alt.flyfishing
top level newsgroup.

The charter of this group would be a forum to discuss the politics, ethics
and advocacy of flyfishing as we press on in an uncertain political future
for 'sporting' associations all along the human wildlife interface. The
critical debate nature of such discussions is much better suited in its own
newsgroup, keeping the top level free for the more tangible discussions of
techniques, equipment, etc.

Comments ?

Thanks all for your support of alt.flyfishing please contribute any and all
articles of interest as we strive to build an undeniable newsgroup presence
and are adopted as a legitimate alt group on news servers worldwide.

--
TimW, Halfordian Golfer
"A Cash Flow Runs Through It..."
"Guilt replaced the creel..."

Redd Tarp

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Dec 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/11/98
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<\rant on>I'm for any discussion that explores what is *not* commercial about
fly fishing. I'm not interested in debating the merits of fly fishing
competition. I don't care about the modulus of graphite or the experience of
casting bamboo. I do not covet 'Kudos' award winners. I'm tired of seeing fly
fishing through capitalistic-tinted glasses.I find the "things to want and buy"
dimension of modern fly fishing tedious and exhausting.

In short, I want no such noise in my mind on those mornings when I'm loading my
rod into the cab of my truck and getting ready for a day on the water. There's
too much that is rich and meaningful about a day of fishing to divide it in any
way with commercialism.<rant off\>

I look forward to discussing the deeper, sometimes philosophical questions that
surround angling in its current incarnation. I realize these questions will
often lead to commercialism, and I suppose that will have to remain a sad fact.
I'd really like to see tenor-setting discussions that serve us all--by
fostering thoughtful views and attitudes about angling, and by shattering the
greed and vanity created in large part by over-commercialization. In fairness,
I probably see more of this than most anglers because I guide in one of the
most popular fly fishing destinations in the continental U.S. I have, fairly I
think, concluded that fly fishing is quickly going the way of skiing, and
that's more than a little bit troubling. I don't mind spending an afternoon
showing affluent people how to cast, how to tie flies on to tippets, and
helping them catch trout. I do mind that it's getting increasingly difficult to
offer them something more than an opportunity to spend more money, and I'm
about to quit guiding because of this (as well as other reasons).

Think of it this way. Would you teach a child to fly fish the way you fly fish
these days, and if you did, would that child likely embrace it on his or her
own? If you think not, ask yourself how your instructions today differ from the
guidance you received as a younger person, the guidance that brought you to
embrace angling.
--
Redd Tarp
Simms Poster Child

Moe Skeeter

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Dec 11, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/11/98
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Redd Tarp wrote in message <36715826...@aspenres.com>...

><\rant on>I'm for any discussion that explores what is *not* commercial
about
>fly fishing. I'm not interested in debating the merits of fly fishing
>competition. I don't care about the modulus of graphite or the experience
of
>casting bamboo. I do not covet 'Kudos' award winners. I'm tired of seeing
fly
>fishing through capitalistic-tinted glasses.I find the "things to want and
buy"
>dimension of modern fly fishing tedious and exhausting.
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Yup. That's why it's *alt* .flyfishing...

Your pal,

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