RFD: comp.lang.javascript

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Thomas Winzig

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Dec 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/14/95
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.lang.javascript

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) on the creation of a
new world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, comp.lang.javascript
Follow-ups are directed to news.groups.

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.javascript Netscape Communications Corp.'s JavaScript language.

RATIONALE: comp.lang.javascript

Since Netscape Communication Corp.'s release of the Java-complementary
scripting language, JavaScript, there has been a steady increase in
the amount of JavaScript related questions and discussion in the
comp.lang.java usenet newsgroup. Since these two languages are
distinctly different, and might draw discussion from two generally
different 'crowds' (professional programmers and casual programmers),
I formally propose the creation of comp.lang.javascript for discussion
of everything related to the JavaScript scripting language.

At this point in time, with JavaScript still in Beta test, the amount
of JavaScript related postings to comp.lang.java is "acceptable" by
most. However, as JavaScript reaches completion, there will need to be
a place for it's separate discussion.

CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript

The proposed comp.lang.javascript will be open to discussion on all
aspects of JavaScript, as it relates to HTML, Java, Perl, the World
Wide Web in general, and other related languages. The scope of
discussion will specifically exclude matters which are *solely*
related to Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s Java language, which should be
discussed in comp.lang.java.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

Posting of this RFD initiates a discussion period of at least 21
days. Discussion about the proposed newsgroup will take place on
news.groups ONLY, which is a newsgroup dedicated to the discussion of
new newsgroups, and anyone interested is encouraged to participate.

Also note that under the Usenet guidelines:

The RFD discussion period will last for between 21 and 30 days.

The discussion will be followed by a CFV (Call for Votes) or
a second, modified RFD.

The vote will be run by a neutral third party, probably the
Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV)

This message is *not* a Call For Votes (CFV) - do not try to vote:
before the CFV is posted, or
by posting anything anywhere, or
by sending e-mail to anyone but the votetaker.

The voting procedure will be clearly described in the CFV when the
time to vote arrives. Now is NOT the time to vote.

DISTRIBUTION:

The complete official messages - RFD, CFV and vote results - will be
posted to these newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
comp.lang.java

--
Thomas Winzig <thomas...@webcom.com>

Steve Bonine

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Jan 5, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/5/96
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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.lang.javascript

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.javascript Netscape Communications Corp.'s JavaScript language.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Jan 1996.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Thomas Winzig <thomas...@webcom.com>
Votetaker: Steve Bonine <s...@ntrs.com>

RATIONALE: comp.lang.javascript

Since Netscape Communication Corp.'s release of the Java-complementary
scripting language, JavaScript, there has been a steady increase in
the amount of JavaScript related questions and discussion in the
comp.lang.java usenet newsgroup. Since these two languages are
distinctly different, and might draw discussion from two generally
different 'crowds' (professional programmers and casual programmers),
I formally propose the creation of comp.lang.javascript for discussion
of everything related to the JavaScript scripting language.

At this point in time, with JavaScript still in Beta test, the amount
of JavaScript related postings to comp.lang.java is "acceptable" by
most. However, as JavaScript reaches completion, there will need to be
a place for it's separate discussion.

Truthfully, the JavaScript newsgroup could fit into a number of UseNet
heirarchies, but I think the moderator of comp.infosystems.www.announce
(M. L. Grant) explained it best when he said:

"...since javascript is different from java itself, it should be
in its own hierarchy. A sixteenth comp.infosystems.www.* newsgroup
is not needed; and putting it in the java groups will encourage the
same confusion that comp.windows endures (HINT: the group is *not*
about Microsoft operating systems)."

CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript

The proposed comp.lang.javascript will be open to discussion on all
aspects of JavaScript, as it relates to HTML, Java, Perl, the World
Wide Web in general, and other related languages. The scope of
discussion will specifically exclude matters which are *solely*
related to Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s Java language, which should be
discussed in comp.lang.java.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

Send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are not votes) to:

vot...@ntrs.com

Replying to this article should work, but check the address before you mail
your vote. Your mail message must contain one and only one of the following
vote statements for each group:

I vote YES on comp.lang.javascript
I vote NO on comp.lang.javascript

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If you wish to change your vote, simply vote again from the same account;
duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent vote.

THIS IS NOT A SECRET VOTE. Names, addresses, and votes will be published in
a RESULTS article in the same newsgroups in which this CFV appears.

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the Usenet community to create a new newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV;
direct people to the CFV in news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked
or edited copies of this CFV is prohibited, and votes from such sources will be
removed from the final vote total.

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mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy
votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW servers are considered to be
anonymous votes.

DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the first CFV
and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to the mailing lists:

Mailing list name: Web Communications Users List
Submission address: us...@webcom.com
Request address: users-...@webcom.com

Mailing list name: Web Communications Form Users List
Submission address: form-...@webcom.com
Request address: form-user...@webcom.com

Steve Bonine

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Jan 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/11/96
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LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.lang.javascript

RATIONALE: comp.lang.javascript

CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

vot...@ntrs.com

DISTRIBUTION:

comp.lang.javascript Bounce List - These votes have been counted.
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Todd_M...@sajnbcc.xc.xerox.com Todd Muscroft

Steve Bonine

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Jan 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/27/96
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RESULT
unmoderated group comp.lang.javascript passes 235:30

There were 235 YES votes and 30 NO votes, for a total of 265 valid votes.
There were 3 invalid ballots.

For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.

Newsgroups line:
comp.lang.javascript Netscape Communications Corp.'s JavaScript language.

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Jan 1996.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions

RATIONALE: comp.lang.javascript

CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript

END CHARTER.

comp.lang.javascript Final Vote Ack

Voted Yes
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har...@ibm.net Marc Hardy
har...@driscoll.chi.il.us Harold A. Driscoll
hec...@netscape.com Frank Hecker
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jdu...@Onramp.NET James Duncan Davidson
jeh...@euronet.nl Han Holl
JimFl...@unety.net Jim Fleming
Jim_...@mindlink.bc.ca Jim Pick Component Software
jmi...@ftp.com Joseph Millar
joc...@duckhome.snafu.de Jochen Hoff
jo...@mitre.org Jonathan Doughty
jos...@cis.ohio-state.edu Sudish Joseph
j...@cms.dmu.ac.uk Jonathan R Hughes
jrn...@shaar.nnc.edu John Neil
jvas...@mke.ab.com Jim Vaselopulos
j...@ukraine.corp.mot.com Jim Van Peursem
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kim...@aur.alcatel.com Sam Kimery
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lar...@iodine.ucia.gov Larry G.
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lbe...@widomaker.com Lawrence F. Beals, Jr.
lev...@ccmail.nhq.sony.com David Levine
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phy...@irc.leeds.ac.uk David Bick
p...@uiah.fi Pasi Hytonen
picc...@crl.com Anthony Picciano
p...@unipalm.pipex.com Piper
pmi...@lascruces.com Philip Mills
pres...@pvo.com Frank Winzig, Jr. pres...@pvo.com
pri...@cs.monash.edu.au GLen Pringle
ps...@cmprime.att.com Paul S R Chisholm
ram...@access.tasco.cl Ramiro Salas
rau...@beacon.com D.J. Rausch
RAWL...@rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk Stephen Rawlinson
rdod...@icgroup.net Ramesh Dodamani
red...@az.com Richard Nielsen
r...@doc.ic.ac.uk Rob Hodgkinson
reic...@adlatus.muc.de Michael Reichardt
rfel...@eecs.uic.edu Rene Feliciano
rh...@interaccess.com Bob Hays
ri...@banick.microserve.com Rich Banick
rich...@VNET.IBM.COM Richard Polisuk
ri...@ent.agt.ab.ca Rick Gunderson <ri...@ent.agt.ab.ca>
rl...@monk.aum.edu Robert Lake
robh...@mci.newscorp.com BOB HUGHES
rob...@nucleus.harvard.edu Keith Robison
roland....@aut.alcatel.at Roland Giersig
Ronald.T...@psi.ch Ronald Tschalaer
ruf...@mbe.ece.wisc.edu J. Rufinus
sa...@sabri.pc.my S.M.Sabri S.M.Ismail
sa...@uta.fi Samu Mielonen
samuel....@frimedia.se Samuel Bagfors
sav...@northcoast.com Kevin Savetz
schoeni...@jpmorgan.com Brad Schoening
schu...@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de Michael Schubart
Schue...@aol.com Walter Chr. Schuller
s...@zso.dec.com Steven D. Yee
se...@fws.ilo.dec.com Sean Doherty
S...@appl2.hrz.uni-siegen.de Lars Eilebrecht
sg...@freney.sys.virginia.edu Stephen G. Strickland
sh...@mcc.com Ray Shea
shor...@skypoint.com Steve Horejsi
SJOQ...@cedarville.edu Doug Sjoquist
SL...@cc.usu.edu Raghu Krishnaswamy
spa...@fys.ku.dk Jacob Sparre Andersen
ssh...@nunic.nu.edu Steven K. Sharp
stro...@teleport.com Scott Trotter
s...@atl.hp.com Sandy Morton
tdv9...@cs.umu.se Erik Bagfors \|/
tgr...@ix.netcom.com Tom Griffin
thomas...@pvo.com Thomas Winzig
tjon...@softstart.com Thomas A Jones-Low
tla...@email.univpubs.american.edu Todd C. Lawson
t...@zedat.fu-berlin.de Thorsten L. Nicolai
Todd_M...@sajnbcc.xc.xerox.com Todd Muscroft
TWre...@aol.com Tom Wrensch
upf...@oanet.com Jeff Barnum
vija...@ece.rice.edu Vijay S. Pai
vl...@avi.int.rts.co.il Vladimir Morgenstern
wa...@mucsun.sps.mot.com Volker Wahl
wbi...@xs4all.nl Willem Bison
Wolfgan...@iao.fhg.de Wolfgang Clauss
wwm...@fred.net Fred Highland
xant...@qualcomm.com Kent Paul Dolan
y...@ssds.com Yun-seng Chao (Dayton)
Yves.A...@marin.fdn.fr Yves Arrouye
z...@xs4all.nl Paul Hoving

Voted No
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birc...@pilot.njin.net Shag
csa...@urc.tue.nl Michiel Wijers
donk...@polarnet.com Don Kiely
em...@sled.gsfc.nasa.gov Emma Kolstad Antunes
e...@panix.com Emery Lapinski
ge...@sun3.iaf.nl Geert Bosch
Heikki....@Helsinki.FI Heikki Kantola
j...@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson
mca...@umr.edu Mike Castle
mi...@emmi.physik.TU-Berlin.DE Michael Patra
mi...@abba.ai.mit.edu Mike Afergan
m...@redbrick.com Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
ne...@iis.ee.ethz.ch Matthias Neeracher
Ollivie...@hsc.fr.net Ollivier Robert
o...@pell.chi.il.us david parsons
pa...@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
pa...@dciem.dnd.ca Paul Sarkar
ri...@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller
rpl...@thoughtport.net Robert Pluta
ry...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Glen Patrick Ryan
rzu...@rz.uni-wuerzburg.de Juergen Weinelt
sha...@daimi.aau.dk Claus L{gel Rasmussen
sma...@turing.toronto.edu Smarasderagd
stai...@bga.com Dwight Brown
ste...@parsec.inka.de Stefan Scholl
twpi...@midway.uchicago.edu Tim Pierce
v-ch...@microsoft.com Christopher Rowley (Art Source)
v...@tiac.net Arun Malik
wide...@cc.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius
xt...@trentu.ca Kate Gregory


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