CFV: comp.lang.modeling.{misc,gams}
Mark James
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group comp.lang.modeling.misc
unmoderated group comp.lang.modeling.gams
Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.modeling.gams The General Algebraic Modeling System.
comp.lang.modeling.misc Algebraic modeling languages for optimization.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 4 Sep 1996.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponents.
Proponent: Craig Schmidt <cs...@andrew.cmu.edu>
Proponent: Ramesh Raman <ram...@eta.gams.com>
Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <gr...@netins.net>
Votetaker: Mark James <jam...@dialogic.com>
RATIONALE: comp.lang.modeling.misc
This newsgroup is being proposed to discuss Algebraic Modeling
Languages used in Operations Research and related fields. These
languages include GAMS, AMPL, AIMMS, LINGO, MPL, and XPRESS-MP. They
are declarative languages which are used to specify the constraints
and objective of an optimization problem.
At present, general discussion of Operations Research takes place in
the newsgroup sci.op-research. The comp.lang.modeling group would
provide a place to ask software questions and raise issues specific to
algebraic modeling languages. These issues include installation,
troubleshooting, and "how do I do this in language X" questions which
are often too specific to be of general interest to the readers of
sci.op-research.
RATIONALE: comp.lang.modeling.gams
The best known algebraic modeling language is GAMS, or the General
Algebraic Modeling System.
The GAMS-L mailing list is used to discuss the language, with 297
subscribers at present. The proposed newsgroup will be gated to the
mail list, so that current subscribers who prefer e-mail can continue
to use it. However, an informal poll of the list shows most would
prefer to access the information as a newsgroup, with only 4 readers
expressing a preference for e-mail.
Hopefully a newsgroup will provide more visibility and attract more of
the many users of GAMS who do not subscribe to the mail list.
CHARTER: comp.lang.modeling.misc
This newsgroup is for the discussion of Algebraic Modeling Languages.
These languages are used in Operations Research to specify the
constraints and objective of an optimization problem. They are largely
declarative languages. In other words, they specify the problem
independent of any particular solution technique. The statement of the
problem is usually automatically passed to a solver, which then finds
an optimal solution. Algebraic modeling languages often provide
support for the use of set notation and subscripting to concisely
express large algebraic models. These models typically come from
Linear Programming, Nonlinear Programming, or Mixed Integer
Programming.
There are currently ten commercial languages in this category: AIMMS,
AMPL, AMPL Plus, GAMS, LINGO, LPL, MGG, MODLER, MPL, and XPRESS-MP.
Discussion of GAMS in relation to other languages is welcome, but GAMS
questions are best directed to comp.lang.modeling.gams.
This newsgroup provides a forum for discussing all aspects of
Algebraic Modeling Languages. Software-specific questions are
especially welcome for any of the packages listed above. These include
questions on use, installation, troubleshooting, error messages, and
effective model formulation. Questions on interfacing modeling
languages with solvers are also welcome.
Commercial announcements about new modeling software, or books and
seminars directly pertaining to modeling software are allowed.
However, these announcements may not list prices or contain ordering
or registration information, and may not be reposted more than once
every 30 days. They may contain an e-mail address or URL for obtaining
more information. All other commercial advertisements are expressly
prohibited. Employees of modeling software companies are encouraged
to post and share technical and support information about their
products.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: comp.lang.modeling.gams
GAMS (General Algebraic Modeling System) is a high level algebraic
modeling language. Models are formulated with concise algebraic
statements that are easily read by modelers and computers alike,
easily modified and easily moved from one computer to another. It is
independent of the solution algorithms of specific solvers. The
newsgroup comp.lang.modeling.gams is a forum to discuss all aspects of
GAMS.
Commercial announcements about updates to GAMS, or books and seminars
directly pertaining to GAMS are allowed. However, these announcements
may not list prices or contain ordering or registration information,
and may not be reposted more than once every 30 days. They may contain
an e-mail address or URL for obtaining more information. All other
commercial advertisements are expressly prohibited. Employees of
modeling software companies are encouraged to post and share technical
and support information related to GAMS.
Please note that this group is _not_ about video games of any kind.
END CHARTER.
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--
Mark James <jam...@dialogic.com>
Votes to: <vot...@demobox.dialogic.com>
Mark James
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
RATIONALE: comp.lang.modeling.misc
RATIONALE: comp.lang.modeling.gams
CHARTER: comp.lang.modeling.misc
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CHARTER: comp.lang.modeling.gams
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HOW TO VOTE:
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Mark James
RESULT
unmoderated group comp.lang.modeling.misc fails 100:23
unmoderated group comp.lang.modeling.gams fails 84:28
A total of 128 valid votes were cast.
Yes No | 2/3 |>100 | Pass | Group
---- ---- | --- | --- | ---- | -------------------------------------------
100 23 | Yes | No | No | comp.lang.modeling.misc
84 28 | Yes | No | No | comp.lang.modeling.gams
There were no invalid votes.
For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes. Both groups failed on this second criterion.
A five day discussion period follows this announcement. Unless
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group
may not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroup line:
comp.lang.modeling.gams The General Algebraic Modeling System.
comp.lang.modeling.misc Algebraic modeling languages for optimization.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 4 September 1996.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about this proposal should be directed to the proponents.
RATIONALE: comp.lang.modeling.misc
RATIONALE: comp.lang.modeling.gams
CHARTER: comp.lang.modeling.misc
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: comp.lang.modeling.gams
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VOTER LIST:
Votes were received from the following addresses.
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comp.lang.modeling.misc vote ----||
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aj...@altai.edrc.cmu.edu YY
alain.m...@electrabel.be (Alain Michiels) YY
Andrea...@dms.csiro.au (Andreas Ernst) YY
antoine...@fsa.ulaval.ca YY
ari...@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) Y-
asb...@cph.dk (Asbjorn Hojmark) NN
Bal...@mail.utexas.edu (William E. Allen) NN
ba...@seas.smu.edu (Richard S. Barr) YY
birc...@email.njin.net (Dan Shag Birchall) YY
b...@herbison.com (B.J. Herbison) Y-
bo...@sccm.stanford.edu (Erik Boman) YY
bo...@datasync.com (Martin H. Booda) NN
bo...@rempt.xs4all.nl (Boudewijn Rempt) YY
bou...@criss.fr (Mahfoud Boudis) Y-
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cf...@southern.co.nz (Colin Douthwaite) NN
cl...@columbia.edu (Christopher Lodge Stamper) Y-
con...@idsc.com.sg (Linda Lau) Y-
cs...@andrew.cmu.edu (Craig W Schmidt) YY
csa...@urc.tue.nl (Michiel Wijers) NN
Curt.H...@carmen.se (Curt Hjorring) YY
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dc...@cornell.edu YY
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g-mc...@tamuk.edu (Gary McBryde) YY
ga...@eco.utexas.edu (Lydia Gan) YY
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