2nd RFD: comp.databases.etl
Cara Altman
unmoderated group comp.databases.etl
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup group.name. This is not a
Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.
Newsgroups line:
comp.databases.etl Extraction, transformation, loading issues.
CHANGES from previous RFD:
Changes have been made based on discussions following the first
release of this RFD on November 9, 2002. Changes include a list of
other newsgroups that contained ETL (extraction-transformation-
loading) messages and a list of sample topics for discussion.
RATIONALE: comp.databases.etl
This newsgroup will be for the discussion of topics related to ETL: the
extraction, transfer, and loading of data from one database to another.
ETL is a known acronym to people who work with databases. It is
used to represent the acquisition, integration used and mobility of
data between systems and organizations.
This newsgroup will be useful to those involved in the complex task
of implementing data warehousing, customer relationship
management (CRM), business intelligence (BI) and other data-centric
projects. The newsgroup comp.databases touch on ETL issues, but
these messages are scattered. When searching for ETL messages,
postings were discovered scattered about numerous newsgroups:
comp.databases
comp.databases.ibm-db2
comp.databases.sybase
comp.databases.oracle.tools
comp.databases.oracle.server
comp.databases.oracle.misc
comp.databases.oracle.tools
comp.databases.oracle.server
comp.databases.olap
comp.infosystems.www.databases
comp.infosystems.intranet
comp.text.xml
comp.infosystems.search
comp.realtime
comp.databases.informix
comp.soft-sys.khoros
comp.sys.hp.mpe
microsoft.public.sqlserver.datawarehouse
microsoft.public.oledb.olap
This is not a complete list. There were so many messages to pour
through, and the end of the search list seemed very far away.
Messages were found dating back to 1997, but most seemed to be
from the last two years. A commonly repeated question found was
"Why use ETL tools? Which ones are good?"
There are many complex issues surrounding the purchase or
development of an ETL tool, cost, schedule, and effectiveness are
probably the most common. This forum will aid those who are
weighing their options about whether to build or buy. It will give
users a place to express their opinions on what factors to consider
when implementing an ETL solution, and what ETL tools best suit
specific ETL needs.
CHARTER: comp.databases.etl
This forum will provide a place for people to discuss ETL
architectures. Participants will be able to correspond regardless of
the type of project on which they are focused. Information will be
exchanged on evaluations of COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf
Software) ETL tools, as well as the scope of developing custom ETL
solutions. The term ETL has an industry track record of better than
five years, and is commonly known in the RDBMS (relational
database management system) market.
The ETL knowledgebase can be expanded through the creation of its
own forum. Additionally, it will be a single source for ETL users
to go when they face a difficult ETL challenge and wish to obtain
independent feedback.
Commercial postings will be discouraged.
Sample topics for discussion include:
Data quality assessment/resolution
Complex transformation templates
Load balancing/management
Data mapping
XML support
Error management
Tool evaluation
Custom solutions
Technology tips & tricks
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call
For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the
discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this
happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup
creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group
Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in
news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
process.
DISTRIBUTION:
This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
comp.databases
comp.databases.olap
Proponent: Joseph Hudicka <jhud...@yahoo.com>
Dave Cornejo
unmoderated group comp.databases.etl
Newsgroups line:
comp.databases.etl Extraction, transformation, loading issues.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Jan 2003.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Cara Altman <cara_...@yahoo.com>
Proponent: Joe Hudicka <jhud...@yahoo.com>
Votetaker: Dave Cornejo <da...@dogwood.com>
RATIONALE: comp.databases.etl
This newsgroup will be for the discussion of topics related
to ETL: the extraction, transfer, and loading of data from one
database to another. ETL is a known acronym to people who
work with databases. It is used to represent the acquisition,
integration used and mobility of data between systems and
organizations. This newsgroup will be a central source for ETL
usenet users to go to when they face a difficult ETL challenge
and wish to obtain independent feedback.
This newsgroup will be useful to those involved in the complex
task of implementing data warehousing, customer relationship
management (CRM), business intelligence (BI) and other data-
centric projects. The newsgroup comp.databases touch on ETL
issues, but these messages are scattered. When searching for
ETL messages, postings were discovered in numerous newsgroups:
comp.databases
comp.databases.ibm-db2
comp.databases.sybase
comp.databases.oracle.tools
comp.databases.oracle.server
comp.databases.oracle.misc
comp.databases.oracle.tools
comp.databases.oracle.server
comp.databases.olap
comp.infosystems.www.databases
comp.infosystems.intranet
comp.text.xml
comp.infosystems.search
comp.realtime
comp.databases.informix
comp.soft-sys.khoros
comp.sys.hp.mpe
microsoft.public.sqlserver.datawarehouse
microsoft.public.oledb.olap
This is not a complete list. There were so many messages to pour
through, and the end of the search list seemed very far away. A
commonly repeated question found was "Why use ETL tools?
Which ones are good?"
There are many complex issues surrounding the purchase or
development of an ETL tool, cost, schedule, and effectiveness
are probably the most common. This forum will aid those who are
weighing their options about whether to build or buy. It will
give users a place to express their opinions on what factors to
consider when implementing an ETL solution, and what ETL tools
best suit specific ETL needs.
CHARTER: comp.databases.etl
This forum provides a place for people to discuss ETL (extraction,
transformation, and loading) architectures. Participants can
correspond regardless of the type of project on which they are
focused. Information can be exchanged on evaluations of COTS
(Commercial Off The Shelf Software) ETL tools, as well as the
scope of developing custom ETL solutions. The term ETL has an
industry track record of better than five years, and is commonly
known in the RDBMS (relational database management system) market.
Commercial postings are discouraged. However, ETL tool vendors
and solutions companies are welcome to add their opinions and
to post answers or clarifications to discussions.
Sample topics for discussion include:
Data quality assessment/resolution
Complex transformation templates
Load balancing/management
Data mapping
XML support
Error management
Tool evaluation
Custom solutions
Technology tips & tricks
END CHARTER.
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Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo <da...@dogwood.com>
Voting address: vo...@virginia.such.as
Dave Cornejo
Dave Cornejo
unmoderated group comp.databases.etl fails 79:14
Newsgroups line:
comp.databases.etl Extraction, transformation, loading issues.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Jan 2003.
There were 79 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 93 valid
votes. There were 3 abstentions and 2 invalid ballots.
For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.
A five day discussion period follows this announcement. Unless
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may not be voted on again for six months.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
Votetaker: Dave Cornejo <da...@dogwood.com>
RATIONALE: comp.databases.etl
CHARTER: comp.databases.etl
END CHARTER.
comp.databases.etl Final Voter list
Voted YES
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sj_evans21#yahoo.com.au Sydney James Evans
toivo#ucs.uwa.edu.au Toivo Pedaste
Brian.Inglis#SystematicSw.ab.ca Brian Inglis
SWRIGHT#regina.ca Shayne
Matthew.Azzaro#alcan.com Matthew Azzaro
grimes#altaplana.com Seth Grimes
KrisLamb#aol.com K Lamb<BR>
L902SUEDOE#AOL.COM S Chambers
ShelbyBarnes#aol.com Shelby Barnes
norm#aracnet.com David Hamann
Paul.Hopper#Arch.com Paul Hopper
lmoh#attbi.com Guy Mathieu
jmalina#best.com Jo Ann Malina
Stijn.Vermeulen#COGNOS.com Stijn Vermeulen</FONT>
julesd#erols.com Jules Dubois
david#farrar.com David Farrar
Steve.Tolkin#FMR.COM Steven Tolkin
SUdell#geologic.com Sean M. Udell
Paul.H.Konstant#gsk.com Paul Konstant<br>
Antonkov#hotmail.com Anton=20
weedfam#hotmail.com maxine in ri
epilkington#ia-team.com Eric Pilkington
stell#us.ibm.com Peter Stell
SHegde#navigatorsystems.com Sadananda Hegde
jcolson#ndgonline.com Joshua Colson
celko#northfacelearning.com Joe Celko
alan_ralph#ntlworld.com Alan Ralph
Art_Altman#nylim.com Art Altman
dcoker#panix.com Dave Coker
jpoconnell#pobox.com Jerry O'Connell
meyer#quaero.com <SPAN =
moellere#quaero.com Enoch Moeller
IMCEAEX-_O=RAMCO+20SYSTEMS_OU=RSI_CN=RECIPIENTS_CN=SANANDK#rsi.ramco.com
Shanmugam Anandakumar
rich#sarcomo.com Rich Sarcomo
tledman#mn-exch.tcfbank.com ted ledman
sathish.krishnamurthy#wipro.com Sathish Krishnamurthy
AnnWK#yahoo.com Ann Katholi
binurt#yahoo.com Binu
burkedunwell#yahoo.com Lynwood Sinnamon
cara_altman#yahoo.com Cara Altman
franklincampbell#yahoo.com Frank Campbell
j_a_spicer#yahoo.com Judy Spicer<BR><BR></P>
jasateri#yahoo.com John Sateri
karthik_fc#yahoo.com
<BR><BR>If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example,<BR>AOL does not),
kevinkrumm#yahoo.com
Kevin Krumm<BR><BR></TT></P><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
monark_us#yahoo.com ram
nirendra_awasthi#yahoo.com
Nirendra Awasthi<BR></P><p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
perper11#yahoo.com Ramprasun Babu S
ponpandian8#yahoo.com Ponpandian ponpandian
shivkay#yahoo.com Shivakumar Rajagopal
swlivinlegend#yahoo.com swlivinlegend <swlivinlegend#yahoo.com>
Jo.Bo#gmx.de Juergen Bethke
Ekkehard#Uthke.de Ekkehard Uthke
uwe_thiemann#yahoo.de Uwe Thiemann
bouvin#daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin
fungus#OCF.Berkeley.EDU Hank Fung
ajsteine#ymail.yu.edu Adam Steiner
franck.thales#wanadoo.fr Franck T
dfrost#maths.tcd.ie Dermot Frost
muralirkm2001#yahoo.co.in MURALI
luca.boldrin#infocamere.it Luca Boldrin
caltman12#comcast.net Cara
jleffler#earthlink.net Jonathan Leffler
peternolan9#eircom.net Peter Nolan
psmyth#gmx.net Peter Smyth
ermannov#netscape.net Ermanno Iannacci
thierry#pompo.net Thierry Thomas
sagittaria#softhome.net Sagittaria
tom.celuszak#telus.net Tom Celuszak</FONT></DIV>
bonnie#westridge.net =
Geir.Sunde#componentsoftware.no Geir Sunde</FONT></SPAN>
sbfaulds#ihug.co.nz Stuart Brodie Faulds<br>
Mark_Dekker#westpactrust.co.nz
fred#bytesforall.org Frederick Noronha
jnews#epicsol.org Jacob News
zimnyzenon#interia.pl Zenobiusz Zimny
chriseb#ukshells.co.uk Chris Ebenezer
jdg#diogenes.sacramento.ca.us John David Galt
Voted NO
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Usdlaw2l#aol.com Jack Hanna</FONT></HTML>
stainles#bga.com Dwight Brown
216-5888#mcimail.com Arthur L Rubin
gprrspw#mindspring.com G.P. Ryan
source#netcom.com David Harmon
dc#panix.com David W. Crawford
aahz#pobox.com Aahz
pan#syix.com Pan
wiz#verinet.com Wiz
naddy#mips.inka.de Christian Weisgerber
rick#bcm.tmc.edu Richard H Miller
van.ette#inter.nl.net Robert-Jan van Ette
mmontcha#OregonVOS.net Matthew Montchalin
sommar#algonet.se Erland Sommarskog
Abstained
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mmrosa#bigpond.net.au Michal Rosa
max#alcyone.com Erik Max Francis
hinduchilli#yahoo.com Craig Little
Invalid ballots
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hayd#quaero.com David Hay
! No vote statement in message
naren_k#yahoo.com Naren
! No vote statement in message
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