My errors
Vladimir Fomin
>In article <4dr0o8$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, tski...@arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu (Tim Skirvin) says:
>>
>>stev...@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) writes:
>>
>>>The post below was a counterfeit use of my Netcom user id
>>
>> So? That's legal. You can go ahead and cancel it (it's in your
>>name, after all), but don't complain about it.
>This doesn't seem right. Does this mean that anyone who wants to can forge
>addresses, and the fine folks here would do nothing to aid in tracking down
>the forger? Or is it only Winter who gets ignored based on his long history
>of net abuse, calling people names, and crying wolf about cancels?
It's really quite simple. There's a "cabal" of net.nazis and sandlot bullies
(scum like Peter Vorobieff and Jan Isley) who contribute nothing to the net
except stupid flames and censorship attempts. They did not create anything
on Usenet. but try to exploit it for personal monetary gain and ego boost.
They want to operate by a different set of rules than "little people". They can
forge Winter, forge cancels for Winter's messages, spam (as Chris Lewis did), blacklist their
enemies, post libels, harass cowardly and dishonorable service providers
(like Panix.com) to effect plug-pulling...
They are very much like the Communist Party.
By the way, most of this scum are not Usenet sysadmins at all, just
wannabee control freaks. Peter Vorobieff is just a student, and he
lies that he's the sysadmin of Lehigh University. He is not alone such liar.
set of rules. They can forge Steve Winter
--
----
Vladimir Fomin, vfo...@panix.com. <http://users.aol.com/antisas/oasash.html>
Stephen Boursy
>In <4ds29g$o...@news1.deltanet.com> anon...@de1tanet.com (Anon. A Mouse)
>writes:
>>In article <4dr0o8$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, tski...@arh0062.urh.uiuc.edu
>>(Tim Skirvin) says:
>>>
>>>stev...@ix.netcom.com (Steve Winter) writes:
>>>
>>>>The post below was a counterfeit use of my Netcom user id
>>>
>>> So? That's legal. You can go ahead and cancel it (it's in your
>>>name, after all), but don't complain about it.
>
>>This doesn't seem right. Does this mean that anyone who wants to can forge
>>addresses, and the fine folks here would do nothing to aid in tracking down
>>the forger? Or is it only Winter who gets ignored based on his long history
>>of net abuse, calling people names, and crying wolf about cancels?
>
>It's really quite simple. There's a "cabal" of net.nazis and sandlot bullies
>(scum like Peter Vorobieff and Jan Isley) who contribute nothing to the net
>except stupid flames and censorship attempts. They did not create anything
>on Usenet. but try to exploit it for personal monetary gain and ego boost.
>
Very true.
>They want to operate by a different set of rules than "little people".
Also very true.
>They can forge Winter, forge cancels for Winter's messages, spam
(as Chris Lewis did), blacklist their enemies,
Yes--they do all this and then they brag openly about it.
>...harass cowardly and dishonorable service providers (like Panix.com)
>to effect plug-pulling...
panix.come needs to be dealth with formally, systematically and
legally and I think we should start with this Stacey character. They
are two faced lying organization that told me one thing while telling
the cabal yet another and now continue to threaten you when you speak
up.
Dr. Grubor--perhaps a PI would be appropraite for MS. Goldsmith
for the time being. Please email me regarding what is to be done.
>By the way, most of this scum are not Usenet sysadmins at all, just
>wannabee control freaks. Peter Vorobieff is just a student, and he
>lies that he's the sysadmin of Lehigh University. He is not alone such liar.
>set of rules. They can forge Steve Winter
Yes--and remember that a sys admin is just a sys admin and that it's
a job like any other---they have lives offline and assest and personal
reputations to lose. sys admins work for their users--if they forget that
they should go down.
Steve
Vladimir Fomin
>>By the way, most of this scum are not Usenet sysadmins at all, just
>>wannabee control freaks. Peter Vorobieff is just a student, and he
>>lies that he's the sysadmin of Lehigh University. He is not alone such liar.
> Yes--and remember that a sys admin is just a sys admin and that it's
>a job like any other---they have lives offline and assest and personal
>reputations to lose. sys admins work for their users--if they forget that
>they should go down.
You are right. This point is important simply to point out that they are
liers. A punk kid from Stanford or UIUC presumes to tell other sites how
to run their systems even though he has no say in running the .edu site
they post from--even was warned by their sysadmin that they may be spanked!!!
A real sysadmin has some authority to decide how to run their system, but
most of the control freaks on news.admin.* don't own their systems either.
Admins at .edu sites works for their users -- students (paying customers)
and teachers. Admins at .com sites work for their users. When they
forget it, they should be reminded.
Mark Eckenwiler
In <4dupjp$l...@panix.com>, vfo...@panix.com sez:
> Admins at .com sites work for their users. When they
>forget it, they should be reminded.
I agree.
Dear Panix sysadmins,
Please have the stukac^W^WVladimir Fomin covered with unsulphured
molasses and tied down on an anthill. Thank you.
Note that my wishes should override any contrary wishes of Herr Fomin,
as I (UID 156) have been a Panix user roughly 5 years longer than
Fomin (UID 11755). Accordingly, you are working for me, not for him.
Your failure to act immediately on my wishes will be reported to the
FBI, FDIC, FDA, FMLN, FTC, TDI, TCI, UNESCO, Eugene Ionesco
(deceased), the Cambridge, Mass. rent-control board (deceased), and
the moderator of earth.general.is.too.
Seth Breidbart
making an exception. I'll even leave the Newsgroups: line alone,
while holding my nose.)
In article <4duqs4$p...@panix.com>, Mark Eckenwiler <e...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <4dupjp$l...@panix.com>, vfo...@panix.com sez:
>> Admins at .com sites work for their users. When they
>>forget it, they should be reminded.
>
>I agree.
>
>Dear Panix sysadmins,
>
>Please have the stukac^W^WVladimir Fomin covered with unsulphured
>molasses and tied down on an anthill. Thank you.
>
>Note that my wishes should override any contrary wishes of Herr Fomin,
>as I (UID 156) have been a Panix user roughly 5 years longer than
>Fomin (UID 11755). Accordingly, you are working for me, not for him.
And if that doesn't count, add my wishes to those of Mark. I haven't
been here quite as long as Mark, but I do have a 3-digit UID and have
been here since panix was a mac.
>Your failure to act immediately on my wishes will be reported to the
>FBI, FDIC, FDA, FMLN, FTC, TDI, TCI, UNESCO, Eugene Ionesco
>(deceased), the Cambridge, Mass. rent-control board (deceased), and
>the moderator of earth.general.is.too.
as well as the CIA, KGB, SEC, and IRS.
Seth
Russ Allbery
> This point is important simply to point out that they are liers. A punk
> kid from Stanford or UIUC presumes to tell other sites how to run their
> systems even though he has no say in running the .edu site they post
> from--even was warned by their sysadmin that they may be spanked!!!
If the "punk kid from Stanford" is supposed to be me then this statement
is incorrect.
--
Russ Allbery (r...@cs.stanford.edu) http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/
Stephen Boursy
>In <4dupjp$l...@panix.com>, vfo...@panix.com sez:
>>
>> Admins at .com sites work for their users. When they
>>forget it, they should be reminded.
>
>I agree.
>
>Dear Panix sysadmins,
>
>Please have the stukac^W^WVladimir Fomin covered with unsulphured
>molasses and tied down on an anthill. Thank you.
>
That's bit kinky isn't it??? I mean I know panix.com likes
to take it from behind via the cabal but molasses too??
Steve
Stephen Boursy
>In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com> writes:
>
>> This point is important simply to point out that they are liers. A punk
>> kid from Stanford or UIUC presumes to tell other sites how to run their
>> systems even though he has no say in running the .edu site they post
>> from--even was warned by their sysadmin that they may be spanked!!!
>
>If the "punk kid from Stanford" is supposed to be me then this statement
>is incorrect.
>
So what are you claiming--that you're not a 'punk kid' or not
from 'Stanford'???
Steve
Russ Allbery
What I'm claiming is quite obvious to anyone who can read, Steve. If you
really require that it be spelled out for you, I do have some say in
running the .edu site I post from, and I have never been warned by my
sysadmin (he's rather more concerned with when I can get the TeX
installation done for him than with what I post to Usenet or whether I
enjoy exposing cowards).
And no, actually I'm not a punk kid. I don't have the hair for it.
Vladimir Fomin
>In <4e0ol6$g...@panix.com>,
>Victoria O'Staff <v...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Ah, that explains it...You're jealous of sysadmins! You can't do all the
>> K00L stuff sysadmins do, so you want to bring 'em all down!
>>
>> All is now clear.
We the users want our hired hands to do the job they're paid to do.
>So, do ya think if we all chipped in and bought Steve a Sparc 2 that he
>could be root on, he'd leave us alone?
You're the one into "roots".
>PS Say hi to Mara for me, and tell her I'll bring the embarassing baby
>pictures of Fomin and Boursy to the next Cabal meeting!
So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the Internet!
A fitting couple.
Russ Allbery
> I think Victoria should apologize or resign. I do believe if an
> apology is not forthcoming she should be well covered in the upcoming
> book.
I vote that the scores of anyone who ends up in this "book" be doubled.
Melinda Shore
>We the users want our hired hands to do the job they're paid to do.
You bet, and the job they're paid to do doesn't require them
to grant every user request. They work for the people who
set policy, and our $19/month doesn't make us people who set
policy. Indeed, granting every user request would make the
system completely unusable.
>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the Internet!
>A fitting couple.
What was that warning you received from Panix, again?
--
Melinda Shore - No Mountain Software - sh...@nomt.com
If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
Nathan J. Mehl
vfo...@panix.com (Vladimir Fomin) writes:
>In <slrn4g85pd....@unix5.netaxs.com> gre...@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) writes:
>>PS Say hi to Mara for me, and tell her I'll bring the embarassing baby
>>pictures of Fomin and Boursy to the next Cabal meeting!
>
>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the Internet!
Although I agree that you and Boursy are both children, and additionally
agree that the concept of you two engage in sexual intercourse is
overwhelmingly revolting, I believe you are reading a sexual slant
into Michael's post which is not justified by its content.
--
"The life of a sysadmin is always intense!"
If you think I speak for my employer, they'll be happy to correct you.
Nathan J. Mehl -- Just another bozo on the usenet bus -- nat...@bbnplanet.com
<A HREF="http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~nmehl">homepagesque</A>
Tzimon Yliaster
@ I vote that the scores of anyone who ends up in this "book" be doubled.
I vote that any provider that ends up in Grubor's coloring book (which
will get published as yet another of his fool blacklists, and nowhere but
on Usenet at that) gets my business, and should get yours. Those in a
position to do so should consult with business clients to patronize those
services in particular, as they represent mature services that can be
relied upon to respond to their legitimate users without pandering to
abusers. If your provider DOESN'T end up there, complain loudly about
it, and make sure that they do. It'll provide a nice clear list of
decent providers for those looking for a new ISP.
Stephen Boursy
>In article <4e425e$j...@panix.com>, Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>We the users want our hired hands to do the job they're paid to do.
>
>You bet, and the job they're paid to do doesn't require them
>to grant every user request. They work for the people who
>set policy, and our $19/month doesn't make us people who set
>policy. Indeed, granting every user request would make the
>system completely unusable.
No--but a user is free to post whatever they damn well please.
panix.com does not respect this.
>
>>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the
>>Internet! A fitting couple.
>
>What was that warning you received from Panix, again?
I believe it was a censourous pile of shit that no decent person
would be associated with Melinda. NOw if you believe his charge to be
untrue the only approp. place to resolve that is within the court system.
Due process is central to our freedom in this country.
Anything Dr. Fomin has ever written is extremely mild in comparison
to many posts I know for a fact panix.com stores on their system and has
accepted full legal liablity for putting all of their users privacy in
jeopordy.
Steve
Stephen Boursy
M.Grubor <za...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In <4e0ol6$g...@panix.com> v...@panix.com (Victoria O'Staff) writes:
>>
>>Disclaimer: guess what--speaking for myself again!
>>
>>bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy) dixit:
>>>
>>> panix.come needs to be dealth with formally, systematically and
>>>legally
>>
>>
>Understandable, but you must change the suffix to "cum" instead of
>"come."
>>>and I think we should start with this Stacey character. They
>>>are two faced lying organization that told me one thing while telling
>>>the cabal yet another and now continue to threaten you when you speak
>
>>>up.
>>
>>you want to blame someone, go ahead and blame me; I tracked down all
>>the background on this mess.
>
>What "background" was there? You censored someone by threatening to
>pull a plug for "content." That is most unacceptable for any ISP.
>>
>>We didn't tell the Cabal anything. We didn't need to. Fnord.
>>
>He/she who uses the term "fnord" is an unstable person. It is a term
>that has no definate meaning to most.
>
>>> Dr. Grubor--perhaps a PI would be appropraite for MS. Goldsmith
>>>for the time being. Please email me regarding what is to be done.
>>
>>staff decision.
>>
>Yes, and the full staff should post an apology to Dr. Fomin.
>
>>Ah, that explains it...You're jealous of sysadmins! You can't do all
>the
>>K00L stuff sysadmins do, so you want to bring 'em all down!
>>
>>All is now clear.
>>
>>Victoria C. Fike
>>Panix Staff
>>
>Victoria, you know you did wrong now.
>Now apologize for panix.com and you will
>be forgiven as a "content-censor." If you do
>not, I will put you in the book as the "bad
>ISP who censors content." It is your choice.
>
I think Victoria should apologize or resign. I do believe
if an apology is not forthcoming she should be well covered in the
upcoming book.
Steve
>Do you really *want* that denotation in the
>"InterNet Anarchy" Book?
>
>John M. Grubor
>Doctor Of Law
>CyberLawAuthor
>
>
Nathan J. Mehl
Russ Allbery <r...@cs.stanford.edu> writes:
>In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> writes:
>
>> apology is not forthcoming she should be well covered in the upcoming
>> book.
>
Doubled? Frankly, if Boursey gets a _book_ published, I'm pegging
my Kook Score at a million, and going home.
Ron Newman
>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the Internet!
>A fitting couple.
If I ran Panix, I think I would have had quite enough of
Mr. Fomin-at-the-mouth by now.
--
Ron Newman rne...@cybercom.net
Web: http://www.cybercom.net/~rnewman/home.html
"Nobody ever said everything was Xenu's fault." -- Ivan <durek...@aol.com>
Tom Tom Harrington
Russ Allbery (r...@cs.stanford.edu) wrote:
: In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> writes:
: > I think Victoria should apologize or resign. I do believe if an
: > apology is not forthcoming she should be well covered in the upcoming
: > book.
: I vote that the scores of anyone who ends up in this "book" be doubled.
If Grubor's involved, the book counts double, since he's been voted
KoTM. If Boursy, Fomin, or any other potential co-authors get
voted KoTM, the book doubles *again*. So it could easily count
8 or even 16 times, depending on the authors and on KoTM votes.
I may have to add a clause that any books published by net-kooks
count double.... I didn't forsee the possibility that any of
'em would publish enemy-list BOOKS... I'm curious as to who'll
publish this alleged book (who published Canter&Siegel, again?).
--
Tom Harrington --------- t...@rmii.com --------- http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph
=========> KN2: 17 KC2: Boursy++++ (Grubor++++)*2 Ekici++++ Fomin+ <========
"UseNet is a FILTHY place!" -John Grubor, drm...@pgh.nauticom.net
---> Visit CONSPIRACY ONLINE: http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph/bunker.html <----
Stephen Boursy
Russ Allbery <r...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
>In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> writes:
>
>> I think Victoria should apologize or resign. I do believe if an
>> apology is not forthcoming she should be well covered in the upcoming
>> book.
>
>I vote that the scores of anyone who ends up in this "book" be doubled.
>
I'd agree but only if we include their photo (or in the CD version
a .jpg file).
steve
Michael Handler
Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com> wrote:
> So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the
> Internet!
What makes you think said pictures are pornographic? Is _everything_
you think of related to sex? (Sheesh. He has a dirtier mind than me.)
And what makes you think I'm sending them over the Internet? The Cabal
does meet physically at times, you know.
--
Michael Handler <gre...@netaxs.com> Philadelphia, PA
* <-- PERTH standing on the edge of the hoover dam (i am i am i am)
Indeed, Perl is the language of choice for net abuse. -- Larry Wall
Vladimir Fomin
>In <4e425e$j...@panix.com>,
>Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com> wrote:
>> So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the
>> Internet!
>What makes you think said pictures are pornographic? Is _everything_
>you think of related to sex? (Sheesh. He has a dirtier mind than me.)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Impossible.
Vladimir Fomin
>In article <4e425e$j...@panix.com>, Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com> wrote:
>>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the Internet!
>>A fitting couple.
>If I ran Panix, I think I would have had quite enough of
>Mr. Fomin-at-the-mouth by now.
Is that why you're cross-posting your solicitations to alt.sex.pedophilia?
Tzimon Yliaster
@ Is that why you're cross-posting your solicitations to alt.sex.pedophilia?
Wow... if this wasn't from Fomin, it would almost certainly be an
actionable slander. Unless, of course, you can produce message headers.
M.Grubor
writes:
>
>In article <4e5tuc$8...@kalypso.cybercom.net>,
>Ron Newman <rne...@kalypso.cybercom.net> wrote:
>>In article <4e425e$j...@panix.com>, Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the
>>>Internet! A fitting couple.
>>
>>If I ran Panix, I think I would have had quite enough of
>>Mr. Fomin-at-the-mouth by now.
>
No, I do not think panix.com will pull any plugs at all.
they made it clear yesterday by e-mail that their warning was
not for content, but for alleged crossposting and publication of
private phone numbers and addresses.
their position on the "crossposting and off-topic posting" was an
"invasion of privacy" and a "freedom of speech violation," but their
other allegation would have merit, except for the lack of any real
evidence of any "intent" by Dr. Fomin.
But panix.com and world.std.com and calyx.com and many more ISPs
will switch to uncensored news feeds very soon, I predict.
Chris lewis is going out of business very shortly.
DrG
Bob Sandiford
: If you find the statements to be in some way damaging we have a court
: system in this country and due process must be respected--anything less is
: censorship. For example--you do (quite sincerely) very good work exposing
Oh, I get it. You can post anything you want, whether or not you know it
is legal or illegal (unlawful? I heard 'illegal' was just a sick bird :),
and you don't have to worry about any of it unless someone takes you to
court over it, is that right?
Gee, I wonder if maybe attitudes like that have anything to do with the
shape the countries on this continent are in. No respect for obeying the
law. Just do whatever you want, and be sorry only if you are caught. No
wonder the court systems are overworked, jails are overcrowded, police
are so often short handed....
: scientology. Now what if the sys admin was a scientologist (very doubtful)-
: you'd still have every right to rant and rave against them as you say
: fit. Certainly the sceintolgists view much of what you are doing as
: illegal--that's fortuanately for the courts to decide--not a sys admin.
: A sys admin works for their customers.
Yes, probably true. That doesn't quite work out to the same thing as taking
their orders or directives or whims as the full definition of his/her job
and responsibilities. You have a sysadmin for specific roles, n'est-ce pas?
You count on that person to have skill sets that the majority of 'those
for whom the sys admin works' do not. So, either let that person use those
skills, or do it yourself since you know all about it anyways.
Not to say that perhaps there are sys admins who aren't doing a good job.
But to make blanket statements about all sys admins, or even the majority,
is just hyperbole and removes the validity of your arguments.
: Steve
Bob Sandiford
r...@ca.dynix.com
--
Stephen Boursy
Ron Newman <rne...@kalypso.cybercom.net> wrote:
>In article <4e425e$j...@panix.com>, Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the
>>Internet! A fitting couple.
>
>If I ran Panix, I think I would have had quite enough of
>Mr. Fomin-at-the-mouth by now.
Content is no business of an ISP--in fact I've e-mail from panix.com
to that effect. Now I've no knowledge of either Michael or Mara and I do
know Dr. Fomin. Stop trying to silence him.
If you find the statements to be in some way damaging we have a court
system in this country and due process must be respected--anything less is
censorship. For example--you do (quite sincerely) very good work exposing
scientology. Now what if the sys admin was a scientologist (very doubtful)-
you'd still have every right to rant and rave against them as you say
fit. Certainly the sceintolgists view much of what you are doing as
illegal--that's fortuanately for the courts to decide--not a sys admin.
A sys admin works for their customers.
Steve
Dave Ratcliffe
wrote:
-In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com>
writes:
-> This point is important simply to point out that they are liers. A
->punk kid from Stanford or UIUC presumes to tell other sites how to
->run their systems even though he has no say in running the .edu site
->they post from--even was warned by their sysadmin that they may be
->spanked!!!
-
-If the "punk kid from Stanford" is supposed to be me then this
-statement is incorrect.
Absolutely. Russ is no kid. :)
Dave "Er, uhm... what I MEANT to say was..." Ratcliffe
--
Dave Ratcliffe da...@frackit.com
Harrisburg, Pa.
Email to this account may be posted to the net
Vladimir Fomin
>bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
>I think you are starting to lose it Steve.. I would quit while you are
>still ahead. (If it's not too late...)
Panix censored Fred Cherry too.
Vladimir Fomin
> What, you mean if it was from somebody that actually exists?
>
> I've asked him in mail, but he's been unable to answer who he
>is.
I am one of the Cabal's victims.
Vladimir Fomin
>In article <4e0ing$8...@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>,
> laun...@ecid.cig.mot.com (Phil Launchbury) wrote:
>:Steve - if your braincells have not finally waved goodbye, how about
>:using them?
>This is a trick question, isn't it?
Trick question for you, Bruce, because the AIDS virus ate up all of your
brain cells.
Vladimir Fomin
>Vladimir Fomin (vfo...@panix.com) wrote:
>@ Is that why you're cross-posting your solicitations to alt.sex.pedophilia?
>Wow... if this wasn't from Fomin, it would almost certainly be an
>actionable slander. Unless, of course, you can produce message headers.
Learn the difference between libel and slander, you moron.
Truth is the best defense from both.
You post from the same shithole as the lying net-abuse George Herbert.
You have no credibility.
Go away.
Vladimir Fomin
>In article <4e425e$j...@panix.com>,
> vfo...@panix.com (Vladimir Fomin) writes:
>>In <slrn4g85pd....@unix5.netaxs.com> gre...@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) writes:
>>>PS Say hi to Mara for me, and tell her I'll bring the embarassing baby
>>>pictures of Fomin and Boursy to the next Cabal meeting!
>>
>>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the Internet!
>Although I agree that you and Boursy are both children, and additionally
>agree that the concept of you two engage in sexual intercourse is
>overwhelmingly revolting, I believe you are reading a sexual slant
>into Michael's post which is not justified by its content.
So, it's little boys for him and little girls for her, or do they share?
Vladimir Fomin
>[Newsgroups deboursified]
>Disclaimer: guess what--speaking for myself again!
>bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy) dixit:
>>
>> panix.come needs to be dealth with formally, systematically and
>>legally
>Sorry--panix.come is only to be discussed in panix.staff.sex.
This girl has no shame.
>>and I think we should start with this Stacey character. They
>>are two faced lying organization that told me one thing while telling
>>the cabal yet another and now continue to threaten you when you speak
>>up.
>Oh, don't pick on Stacey--she's much nicer than I am. In fact, if
>you want to blame someone, go ahead and blame me; I tracked down all
>the background on this mess.
I'm sure there are more decent and professional people than you working
for Panix, or else it couldn't stay in business this long. You give them
all a bad name with your unprincipled plug-pulling.
>We didn't tell the Cabal anything. We didn't need to. Fnord.
>> Dr. Grubor--perhaps a PI would be appropraite for MS. Goldsmith
>>for the time being. Please email me regarding what is to be done.
>Just curious--why are you blaming her for everything? It was a full
>staff decision.
>> Yes--and remember that a sys admin is just a sys admin and that it's
>>a job like any other---they have lives offline and assest and personal
>>reputations to lose. sys admins work for their users--if they forget that
>>they should go down.
>Ah, that explains it...You're jealous of sysadmins! You can't do all the
>K00L stuff sysadmins do, so you want to bring 'em all down!
>All is now clear.
Please keep this mind mind when choose an internet service provider.
>--
>Victoria C. Fike
>Panix Staff
--
Tzimon Yliaster
@ Learn the difference between libel and slander, you moron.
@ Truth is the best defense from both.
@ You post from the same shithole as the lying net-abuse George Herbert.
@ You have no credibility.
@ Go away.
Well now, having just gotten a libel suit threatened by a publisher for
criticizing one of their authors dropped entirely, and having reviewed
the laws about this with my attorney for several weeks, I think I've got
a decent grasp on the concept.
And if it's the truth, then you had best produce the messages intact to
defend yourself, since truth is, indeed, the best defense.
Stephen Boursy
>In <4e6pqc$m...@nntp.crl.com> tzi...@crl.com (Tzimon Yliaster) writes:
>
>
>>Wow... if this wasn't from Fomin, it would almost certainly be an
>>actionable slander. Unless, of course, you can produce message headers.
>
>
Well panix.com may the same error in their warning to you calling
your usenet posts 'slander' when of course 'slander' must be vocal. And
yet panix.com used this, after claimin to have consulted their 'attorney',
as an excuse to try to muzzle you (now they are backing off from that and
using this crosspost nonsense).
You'd think an attorney for an ISP would no the difference between
alledged libel and slander.
Steve
Stephen Boursy
Bob Sandiford <r...@eljefe.ca.dynix.com> wrote:
>Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) wrote:
>
>: If you find the statements to be in some way damaging we have a court
>: system in this country and due process must be respected--anything less is
>: censorship. For example--you do (quite sincerely) very good work exposing
>
>is legal or illegal (unlawful? I heard 'illegal' was just a sick bird :),
>and you don't have to worry about any of it unless someone takes you to
>court over it, is that right?
>
That's correct. In the US we call that due process.
>Gee, I wonder if maybe attitudes like that have anything to do with the
>shape the countries on this continent are in. No respect for obeying the
Oh--you prefer a dictatorship huh?? Very good.
>
>: scientology. Now what if the sys admin was a scientologist (very doubtful)-
>: you'd still have every right to rant and rave against them as you say
>: fit. Certainly the sceintolgists view much of what you are doing as
>: illegal--that's fortuanately for the courts to decide--not a sys admin.
>: A sys admin works for their customers.
>
>
>Yes, probably true. That doesn't quite work out to the same thing as taking
>their orders or directives or whims as the full definition of his/her job
>and responsibilities. You have a sysadmin for specific roles, n'est-ce pas?
Of course. An ISP has sold their services and they work for their
customers--period.
>
>Not to say that perhaps there are sys admins who aren't doing a good job.
>But to make blanket statements about all sys admins, or even the majority,
>is just hyperbole and removes the validity of your arguments.
You didn't even address the above argument.
Steve
Stephen Boursy
M.Grubor <za...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>In <DLpuK...@world.std.com> bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy)
>writes:
>>Ron Newman <rne...@kalypso.cybercom.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>If I ran Panix, I think I would have had quite enough of
>>>Mr. Fomin-at-the-mouth by now.
>>
>
>they made it clear yesterday by e-mail that their warning was
>not for content, but for alleged crossposting and publication of
>private phone numbers and addresses.
>
Yes--but remember at first that wasn't an issue at all until
they were pressured by the cabal. Then suddenly they used this
as an excuse. It is true they've stated Dr. Fomin has the right
to speak as he pleases, that however should go without saying, but
this crosspost nonsense is just an excuse and the publication of
phone numbers and adressses--all public information, pure bullshit.
Panix is a provider with no self respect and they're very
dishonest. For example their letters state that if Fomin does
not post as they please by their new found guidelines that they'll
keep his prepayment (6 months I believe).
I try to help out Dr. Fomin by following up on him frequently
and crossposting to all the groups that panix and the cabal wish to
keep his posts out of.
>their position on the "crossposting and off-topic posting" was an
>"invasion of privacy" and a "freedom of speech violation," but their
As well as pure bullshit--they bent to pressure and it's
all content related.
>other allegation would have merit, except for the lack of any real
>evidence of any "intent" by Dr. Fomin.
>
>But panix.com and world.std.com and calyx.com and many more ISPs
>will switch to uncensored news feeds very soon, I predict.
I agree. They put all their users at risk when they accept
full repsonsiblity for their feed. By accepting cancels and censoring
users (the latter in the case of panix.com not world.std.com) they
are giving up common carrier defense which is quite dumb. Not that
I get repetitive enquiries regarding Common Carrier status--the latest
I read to the effect was 'name one who has been granted this' and although
this has been answered many times before it make good copy.
The answer there is that many ISP's claim Common Carrier status and
it's an excellent defense and the only reaable defense for carrying many
popular groups in the usenet. None has been explicitly granted this status
nor have they been denied it.
>Chris lewis is going out of business very shortly.
>
Perhaps to jail as well--her most certainly belongs there.
Steve
M.Grubor
>
>Michael D. Phoenix (mic...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
>
>@ Maybe we should start calling Mr. Gruboursy Allisat Fomin "the
cabal",
Don't forget David Hayes -- we just brought him back for
his experience and excellent news-feeds, and he supports all
of us other Freedom Fighters. We are the new "Freedom Knights"
of the Internet, and we will eliminate cabal and censorship once and
for all.
Boursy, Fomin, Grubor, Allisat and Hayes might start suing
people in Court left and right! What do you think of that?!
You had better stop *all* Article cancellations right now.
We are giving you one week, "cabal" and then we shall
take it from there.
Leo G. Simonetta
tzi...@crl.com (Tzimon Yliaster) wrote:
>M.Grubor (za...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>@ Boursy, Fomin, Grubor, Allisat and Hayes might start suing
>@ people in Court left and right! What do you think of that?!
>
>I think you're a joke, and that if you do this, and you find an attorney
>ignorant enough about the actual laws to take the case, anything you
>bring will be decided as a frivolous lawsuit.
Frivolous, Grubor, surely you jest.
>@ You had better stop *all* Article cancellations right now.
>
>@ We are giving you one week, "cabal" and then we shall
>@ take it from there.
Gee, listen to all of those people shaking in terror.
>And I think you should be held to this. If nothing happens in ONE WEEK,
>we all shall know once and for all that these individuals are nothing
>more than blathering idiots.
(Not that anyone _needs_ further proof)
I think we can exclude Hayes from this statement. I am fairly sure that
he is being dragged into this in a futile attempt to make the anti-cabal
seem rational.
TINC!
--
Leo G. Simonetta ARC...@LANGATE.GSU.EDU
Applied Research Center My opinions, mine, all mine.
Stephen Boursy
Michael D. Phoenix <mic...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>*sneck*
There you go again with your childish little *sneck*.
So Michael--you stated you were sueing Dr. Fomin after first
attempting to get his plug pulled. So what is the name of your
attorney??? God knows there no harm in revealing that as it'll all
be public record anyway? Why are you avoiding this question?
Steve
>
>In article <DLot9...@world.std.com>,
>Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'd agree but only if we include their photo (or in the CD version
>>a .jpg file).
>
>Let me know when you want to negotiate including a picture of me in
>the book, Steve. I've got some really great ones (I think you'd like
>the one with the mid-back-length hair and the mouthfull of fangs; you
>could subtitle it "Look at the monsters who are ruining your
>internet", or maybe "Look at the long-haired hippies who are ruining
>your internet", or...)
>
>But I'll guarantee we can work something out, Steve. You've got my
>home phone number--give me a call if you don't want to do it via
>email, and we'll talk.
>
>Take care,
>
>Mickey.
>
>P.S. if anyone wants a pair of professional-quality custom-fitted
>vampire fangs, get in touch; I do great teeth. Also certain cosmetic
>dental work at no charge (my way of "giving something back").
Stephen Boursy
>>
>>> I think Victoria should apologize or resign.
>
>
> You know, I just realized something:
>
> Fomin single-handedly brought a new member to the anti-Boursy
>brigade. And one that understands all of the conventions, no less.
>
> Wow. Congratulations, Fomin.
>
> (And, to you, Victoria...welcome aboard. <g> Posted and
>mailed.)
Yes--the cabal is always looking for those who will so willingly
bend over and take it from behind. panix.com has done so and I'm sure
its customers will feel much more comfortable knowing that they take
full responsiblity for their usenet feed.
As to responsiblity we hold Victoria fully responsible. I don't
believe in buck passing when in comes to censorship.
Steve
Tzimon Yliaster
@ Boursy, Fomin, Grubor, Allisat and Hayes might start suing
@ people in Court left and right! What do you think of that?!
I think you're a joke, and that if you do this, and you find an attorney
ignorant enough about the actual laws to take the case, anything you
bring will be decided as a frivolous lawsuit.
@ You had better stop *all* Article cancellations right now.
@ We are giving you one week, "cabal" and then we shall
@ take it from there.
And I think you should be held to this. If nothing happens in ONE WEEK,
Aga
[ Author was M.Grubor ]
[ Posted on 25 Jan 1996 16:11:02 GMT ]
In <DLpuK...@world.std.com> bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy)
writes:
>
>In article <4e5tuc$8...@kalypso.cybercom.net>,
>Ron Newman <rne...@kalypso.cybercom.net> wrote:
>>In article <4e425e$j...@panix.com>, Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com>
wrote:
>>
>>>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the
>>>Internet! A fitting couple.
>>
>>If I ran Panix, I think I would have had quite enough of
>>Mr. Fomin-at-the-mouth by now.
>
No, I do not think panix.com will pull any plugs at all.
they made it clear yesterday by e-mail that their warning was
not for content, but for alleged crossposting and publication of
private phone numbers and addresses.
their position on the "crossposting and off-topic posting" was an
"invasion of privacy" and a "freedom of speech violation," but their
other allegation would have merit, except for the lack of any real
evidence of any "intent" by Dr. Fomin.
But panix.com and world.std.com and calyx.com and many more ISPs
will switch to uncensored news feeds very soon, I predict.
Chris lewis is going out of business very shortly.
DrG
M.Grubor
>
>In <4e8kgb$c...@panix2.panix.com> v...@panix.com (Victoria O'Staff)
writes:
>
>>>>We didn't tell the Cabal anything. We didn't need to. Fnord.
>>>>
term
>>>that has no definate meaning to most.
>
>oh dear... Now you've done it.
>
>Don't get me riled up, and stay away from me with that match.
>
>
hehehe --- o.k. -- but you now better give us a good explaination
of what a fnord is . . . ball is in your court, fnord/Cliff . . .
you may be alright, we will see . . . .
Stephen Boursy
>bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
>
>: As to responsiblity we hold Victoria fully responsible. I don't
>:believe in buck passing when in comes to censorship.
>
>
I didn't expect you to be a racist as well Bruce.
Steve
Stephen Boursy
>
>In <DLrwF...@world.std.com>, bou...@world.std.com sez:
>>
>> You'd think an attorney for an ISP would no the difference between
>>alledged libel and slander.
>
>
>difference between "no" and "know".
>
Well as a 'journalist' you'd at least think you'd be able to comment
on the accuracy of panix.com claiming to have an attorney yet not knowing
the difference between slander and libel. Never cared about spelling but
if it helps you avoid the real issue good luck to you.
Steve
Vladimir Fomin
>[Defunct newsgroup news.admin.policy removed. Again.]
>vfo...@panix.com (Vladimir Fomin) dixit:
>>In <4e0ol6$g...@panix.com> v...@panix.com (Victoria O'Staff) writes:
>>
>>>Sorry--panix.come is only to be discussed in panix.staff.sex.
>>
>>This girl has no shame.
>That's true. I traded it in for a mature outlook a few years back;
>a move I could recommend to some others...
Then you fit right in with the Cabal.
>>I'm sure there are more decent and professional people than you working
>>for Panix, or else it couldn't stay in business this long. You give them
>>all a bad name with your unprincipled plug-pulling.
>And whose plug did we pull, hmmm? I see you still posting, even
>though you've made some pretty rotten accusations about staffers
>who've never even dealt with you.
Does the name "Fred Cherry" ring a bell? I can name others too.
>>Please keep this mind mind when choose an internet service provider.
>I second this remark, at least.
Is there a blacklist of ISPs who pull plugs on their users?
>Victoria C. Fike | Praise to Eris and her Apple
>Panix Support Wench | We tend her Chao who's nicely dappled
>Work-stuff: v...@panix.com | As we sit here chugging Snapple
>Other-stuff: to...@panix.com | Discord's good enough for me!
M.Grubor
>
>bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
>: As to responsiblity we hold Victoria fully responsible. I don't
>:believe in buck passing when in comes to censorship.
>
>Who is "We", white man?
>
Are you black or jew, Ediger?
-zando
M.Grubor
writes:
>
>Victoria O'Staff (v...@panix.com) wrote:
>: za...@ix.netcom.com(M.Grubor ) dixit:>: >
>
>: >>We didn't tell the Cabal anything. We didn't need to. Fnord.
>: >>
>: >He/she who uses the term "fnord" is an unstable person. It is a
term
>: >that has no definate meaning to most.
>
>: Works which aren't required reading for the Cabal. Really.
>
>Certain works, I should add, which were NOT secretly published
>by the Cabal[tm] and which are not covered in the nonexistent
>promotion test for the nonexistent Cabal[tm]. "Fnord" is also
>most certainly not the unofficial slogan of the Cabal[tm], since
>the Cabal[tm] does not exist.
>
>There is no Cabal[tm].
>
><snip>
>: >Do you really *want* that denotation in the
>: >"InterNet Anarchy" Book?
>
>: Uhhhh....yeah. *huh huh* That'd be cool.
>
>That book, by the way, will NOT be eagerly bought by the imaginary
>Cabal[tm], and will especially NOT be added to the Cabal[tm]'s
>library in the "humor" section. Also, the Cabal[tm] has most
>certainly NOT implanted tiny microchips in Grubor, Fomin, and
>Boursy's brains, which are NOT there for the purpose of reading
>their thoughts.
>
>There is NO CABAL[tm]!!!
>
>[This message has NOT been crossposted to alt.fnord]
>
You are such a liar, Tom, and you do so behind the
back of DrG. When are you going to stop that cabal
back-stabbing behavior and start posting to DrG's
newsgroup when you talk about him?
-mom-zando
>--
>Tom Harrington --------- t...@rmii.com ---------
http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph
>=========> KN2: 17 KC2: Boursy++++ (Grubor++++)*2 Ekici++++ Fomin+
<========
> "Yakko, do you know how to conjugate a verb?"
> "Conjugate? Me? Why, I've never even kissed a girl."
-Animaniacs
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<----
Michael Handler
Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com> wrote:
> >And whose plug did we pull, hmmm? I see you still posting, even
> >though you've made some pretty rotten accusations about staffers
> >who've never even dealt with you.
>
> Does the name "Fred Cherry" ring a bell?
What about him? He's got three or four other accounts, and is still
dribbling his shit across the length and breadth of Usenet, like the
incontinent mongrel he is.
Was his "plug pulled", Vlad? I'm curious as to how you can say that
someone had their "plug pulled", considering that they're still
posting to USENET unhindered.
> I can name others too.
Really? Go right ahead, then.
> Is there a blacklist of ISPs who pull plugs on their users?
Not that I know of. Feel free to start one, though. Of course, then
you'd have to put PANIX on that list, and then you'd have to explain
why you're still actively using your account on their system...
Not that I expect you to show any shred of integrity or consistency,
mind you.
--
Michael Handler <gre...@netaxs.com> Philadelphia, PA
he was fighting some war somewhere / anywhere but here
now everything depends / on fighting some war
Stephen Boursy
>In <4e0ol6$g...@panix.com> v...@panix.com (Victoria O'Staff) writes:
>>>
>>> panix.come needs to be dealth with formally, systematically and
>>>legally
>
>
>This girl has no shame.
>
Nor does panix.com whom she represents.
>>>and I think we should start with this Stacey character. They
>>>are two faced lying organization that told me one thing while telling
>>>the cabal yet another and now continue to threaten you when you speak
>>>up.
>
>>Oh, don't pick on Stacey--she's much nicer than I am. In fact, if
>>you want to blame someone, go ahead and blame me; I tracked down all
>>the background on this mess.
>
>I'm sure there are more decent and professional people than you working
>for Panix, or else it couldn't stay in business this long. You give them
>all a bad name with your unprincipled plug-pulling.
>
>>We didn't tell the Cabal anything. We didn't need to. Fnord.
>
>>> Dr. Grubor--perhaps a PI would be appropraite for MS. Goldsmith
>>>for the time being. Please email me regarding what is to be done.
>
>>Just curious--why are you blaming her for everything? It was a full
>>staff decision.
>
>>> Yes--and remember that a sys admin is just a sys admin and that it's
>>>a job like any other---they have lives offline and assest and personal
>>>reputations to lose. sys admins work for their users--if they forget that
>>>they should go down.
>
>>Ah, that explains it...You're jealous of sysadmins! You can't do all the
>>K00L stuff sysadmins do, so you want to bring 'em all down!
>
>>All is now clear.
>
>Please keep this mind mind when choose an internet service provider.
>
>>--
>>Victoria C. Fike
>>Panix Staff
>
Yes--Victoria is quite representative of the dominant mindset
at panix.com. And Victoria--if you sign as Panix Staff you represent
panix.
Steve
Tom Harrington
: M.Grubor (za...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
:
: @ We are giving you one week, "cabal" and then we shall
: @ take it from there.
:
: And I think you should be held to this. If nothing happens in ONE WEEK,
: we all shall know once and for all that these individuals are nothing
: more than blathering idiots.
You're too kind. In fact, Grubor once claimed that he was going to sue
the entire Cabal in two months. But that was in October of last year
and nothing's happened yet.
--
Tom Harrington --------- t...@rmii.com --------- http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph
Rule #7-B: There is no topic so thoroughly covered that noone will ever
bring it up again. -"Usenet Rules", from the net.legends FAQ
Vladimir Fomin
>In article <4e425e$j...@panix.com>,
> vfo...@panix.com (Vladimir Fomin) writes:
>>In <slrn4g85pd....@unix5.netaxs.com> gre...@netaxs.com (Michael Handler) writes:
>>>PS Say hi to Mara for me, and tell her I'll bring the embarassing baby
>>>pictures of Fomin and Boursy to the next Cabal meeting!
>>
>>So, Michael Handler and Mara Chibnik send child pornography over the Internet!
>Although I agree that you and Boursy are both children, and additionally
>agree that the concept of you two engage in sexual intercourse is
>overwhelmingly revolting, I believe you are reading a sexual slant
>into Michael's post which is not justified by its content.
How old was your youngest sex partner, Mr. Mell?
M.Grubor
writes:
>
>>>
>>>> I think Victoria should apologize or resign.
>>
>>>This goes way beyond your normal insanity. You really *are* an
alien.
>>
>> You know, I just realized something:
>>
>> Fomin single-handedly brought a new member to the anti-Boursy
>>brigade. And one that understands all of the conventions, no less.
>>
>> Wow. Congratulations, Fomin.
>>
>> (And, to you, Victoria...welcome aboard. <g> Posted and
>>mailed.)
>
Stay the hell away from those older chicks!
Victoria is probably old enough to be your mother,
being the senior systems administrator at panix.com.
Now Vicky -- any mature woman such as yourself would
*never* want to go against Steve Boursy. You are a New York
woman, so you must understand the politics of life there on
Manhattan, do you not? e-mail me and I will explain the rest . . .
CyberLawDoctor
fre...@indy.net
when a few days ago he bragged he was fomin. Now he claims his book will
be in The Village Voice. Is this before or after you get your tv talk show
and are elected Sheriff, Grubby ? It must be hard for you keeping all your
many lies straight. But of course anyone like you Grubby that was disbarred
and sent to prison for stealing his clients funds, is used to lying.
Stephen Boursy
Dave Barr <ba...@math.psu.edu> wrote:
>In article <DLrv4...@world.std.com>,
>Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree. They put all their users at risk when they accept
>>full repsonsiblity for their feed. By accepting cancels and censoring
>>users (the latter in the case of panix.com not world.std.com) they
>>are giving up common carrier defense which is quite dumb.
>
>
>the books they carry? Only to a small degree. (basically they're
>only liable if they continue to carry a book despite being explicitly
>told that a book is illegal and there is reasonable justification
>for calling it illegal.)
>
Bookstores are not ongoing discussion groups and the comparision
has virtually no relevance. And in the case of alleged libel in a book
for example the average bookstore would and could care less--if the
person who felt libeled where to take action it would be against the
author and publisher--an ISP that merely makes availabel a real time
usenet feed is not a publisher and certainly has no right to make
a legal determination regarding libel (except for panxi.com it seems--
they don't approve of due process).
>I suggest you contact a Lawyer who knows about these things.
>(Like the lawyer I've spoken with: UUNet's, among other clients.)
You'll find many differing opinions regarding that amoung
lawyers--some ISP's claim Common Carrier status and others do not--very
few freely give it up as a possible defense.
But just to get back to your bookstore anaology--imagine a
customer walking in and buying a book or newspaper only to return home
and discover that pages 19-21 and pages 38-47 had been removed because
the owner disapproved.
Steve
Jasper O'Malley
>You are such a liar, Tom, and you do so behind the
>back of DrG. When are you going to stop that cabal
>back-stabbing behavior and start posting to DrG's
>newsgroup when you talk about him?
BECAUSE, you miserable bastard, everyone thinks you're a god damned lunatic
and couldn't give less of a shit about your insane, inane "NEW RULES..."
bullshit if they didn't have any assholes. What the hell are you talking
about? Does everyone get their own Newsgroup, Grubor, to clutter up millions
of public servers around the world with your meaningless crap and personal
correspondance? What you want already exists: it's called email, learn to
use it.
Jaysus...sorry for the outburst, kids...
Cheers,
Mick
M.Grubor
kjf...@midway.uchicago.edu (Kenneth Jason Fair) writes:
>
>In article <4e9cmu$p...@Radon.Stanford.EDU>, mic...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
>(Michael D. Phoenix) wrote:
>
>>The Dogberts. I like it. It's even possible to "mistype" it as "The
>>Godberts".
>
>I like it too. Except Grubor would want to call it "GodFuckberts".
>
>What exactly does "GodFuck" mean anyway?
>
It means that you "fuck like a God." -- actually, it comes from
a woman's natural statements that she makes when she is getting a
good fuck. She usualy says: Oh, God!. . . Fuck Me! . . in repetative
mantra. It is just the common lingo, and the woman does not say it to
you as a real God (supernatural)-- it is just that "oh god" is the most
common natural expression of a "moan" in this christian country.
I have had many women say this same mantra in my lifetime, and I am
sure many other men have heard it if they pleased a woman.
DrGodFuck
ps: you also get the title if you go over 5 kids {:-)
Phil Launchbury
>In <4e0ol6$g...@panix.com> v...@panix.com (Victoria O'Staff) writes:
>>Ah, that explains it...You're jealous of sysadmins! You can't do all the
>>K00L stuff sysadmins do, so you want to bring 'em all down!
>>All is now clear.
>Please keep this mind mind when choose an internet service provider.
Says the man that posts from Panix.. Is it just me or does that
qualify him as a complete gerbil?
Phil.
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laun...@ecid.cig.mot.com Swindon, Wilts, UK
Cats are the worlds highest lifeform
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M.Grubor
your follow-ups away from my alt.is.too newsgroup.
If it comes in there to you, you have NO RIGHT to trim any
headers. Stop being such despicable scum, and listen to
what the real net legends like dave.hayes and steve.boursy
tell you to do. You are just a little boy who has not learned
anything yet.
Now *NEVER* cut my alt.is.too again!
DrG
In <qumenss...@cyclone.Stanford.EDU> Russ Allbery
<r...@cs.stanford.edu> writes:
>
>In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, Vladimir Fomin <vfo...@panix.com>
writes:
>
>> This point is important simply to point out that they are liers. A
punk
>> kid from Stanford or UIUC presumes to tell other sites how to run
their
>> systems even though he has no say in running the .edu site they post
>> from--even was warned by their sysadmin that they may be spanked!!!
>
>If the "punk kid from Stanford" is supposed to be me then this
statement
>is incorrect.
>
>--
>Russ Allbery (r...@cs.stanford.edu)
http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~rra/
M.Grubor
>
>
>In <4dupjp$l...@panix.com>, vfo...@panix.com sez:
>> Admins at .com sites work for their users. When they
>>forget it, they should be reminded.
>
>I agree.
>
>Dear Panix sysadmins,
>
>Please have the stukac^W^WVladimir Fomin covered with unsulphured
>molasses and tied down on an anthill. Thank you.
>
>Note that my wishes should override any contrary wishes of Herr Fomin,
>as I (UID 156) have been a Panix user roughly 5 years longer than
>Fomin (UID 11755). Accordingly, you are working for me, not for him.
>
Senseism is not relevant.
>Your failure to act immediately on my wishes will be reported to the
>FBI, FDIC, FDA, FMLN, FTC, TDI, TCI, UNESCO, Eugene Ionesco
>(deceased), the Cambridge, Mass. rent-control board (deceased), and
>the moderator of earth.general.is.too.
>
Carl H. Starrett II
writes:
>
>>
>>: As to responsiblity we hold Victoria fully responsible. I don't
>>:believe in buck passing when in comes to censorship.
>>
>>Who is "We", white man?
>>
>
>
>
This thread is beginning to look less and less relevant to misc.legal,
so would you guys mind taking it out of your headers?
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Dave Hayes
>We are the new "Freedom Knights" of the Internet,
Er...I'd wait a little to see what a Freedom Knight *is* before you
claim this.
>and we will eliminate cabal and censorship once and for all.
That sure would be nice.
>Boursy, Fomin, Grubor, Allisat and Hayes might start suing
>people in Court left and right! What do you think of that?!
Hey, wait. I don't generally invoke legal nobility, and certainly
not over matters like this. Please leave me out of any lawsuits.
>You had better stop *all* Article cancellations right now.
That's for sure.
>We are giving you one week, "cabal" and then we shall
>take it from there.
This I've got to see.
--
>>> Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - da...@jetcafe.org <<<
Man no sooner discovers a new intelligence than he tries to involve it in
his own stupidity. --- Jacques-Yves Cousteau
Stephen Boursy
>In <4eavt7$q...@panix.com> v...@panix.com (Victoria O'Staff) writes:
>
>>vfo...@panix.com (Vladimir Fomin) dixit:
>>>
>>>This girl has no shame.
>
>>a move I could recommend to some others...
>
>Then you fit right in with the Cabal.
>
They're trying hard. Iniatially they resisted the censorship
attempts--we've that documented via email so we know there was internat
dissent. But when push came to shove they bent right over to the cabal
and took if from behind and in doing so became fully responsible for
their usenet feeds content. Let Victoria make light of her customers
privacy with cum jokes--if and when they are raided most users will not
be amused by them.
Steve
>>>I'm sure there are more decent and professional people than you working
>>>for Panix, or else it couldn't stay in business this long. You give them
>>>all a bad name with your unprincipled plug-pulling.
>
>>And whose plug did we pull, hmmm? I see you still posting, even
>>though you've made some pretty rotten accusations about staffers
>>who've never even dealt with you.
>
>Does the name "Fred Cherry" ring a bell? I can name others too.
>
>>>Please keep this mind mind when choose an internet service provider.
>
>>I second this remark, at least.
>
>Is there a blacklist of ISPs who pull plugs on their users?
>
>>Victoria C. Fike | Praise to Eris and her Apple
>>Panix Support Wench | We tend her Chao who's nicely dappled
>>Work-stuff: v...@panix.com | As we sit here chugging Snapple
>>Other-stuff: to...@panix.com | Discord's good enough for me!
Stephen Boursy
Michael Handler <gre...@netaxs.com> wrote:
>In <4eelcl$4...@teal.csn.net>,
>Bruce Ediger <bed...@csn.net> wrote:
>>
>> But none of them actually do have Common Carrier status, isn't that right?
>
>
>UUNET has Enhanced Carrier status (which I am lead to believe is
>Common Carrier's kid brother), but they had to specifically work with
>the US gov't to get labelled as such; it wasn't "automatic".
>
Thank you Mr. Handler. panix.com claims they have no Common Carrier
status and are thus fully liable for their entire usenet feed. Others,
such as FlexNet in Hawaii (the oldest ISP in the state) claim Common Carrier
status and do not assocaite with the cabal--in fact they made it publically
clear they only accept authority via the US Government and not this
collection of small business interests.
Given the open discussions by the cabal in news.admin.net-abuse.misc
about punitive actions against sys admins that do not cooperate with their
third party forged cancels of others posts are not US Anti-Trust laws
relevant???
Steve
Tzimon Yliaster
@ za...@ix.netcom.com(M.Grubor ) writes:
@ >We are the new "Freedom Knights" of the Internet,
@ Er...I'd wait a little to see what a Freedom Knight *is* before you
@ claim this.
We've seen it in spades, at least according to Grubor's definition, and
frankly I think anyone who wants to call themselves a "freedom knight"
find another term to avoid connection with Grubor's ideal of what this
should be.
@ >and we will eliminate cabal and censorship once and for all.
@ That sure would be nice.
If there's a cabal, it should be eliminated. I haven't seen anything in
my four years (which makes me a relative newbie to some, and apparently
an "aging cowboy" to others) that indicates any of the regulars on this
newsgroups are members of some secret society though. I've certainly had
a couple of cancels forged at me, but none ever came from any of these
folks (and I'm not a member of any cabals; heck, I only became aware of
these folks' existence a couple of months ago!)
@ >Boursy, Fomin, Grubor, Allisat and Hayes might start suing
@ >people in Court left and right! What do you think of that?!
@ Hey, wait. I don't generally invoke legal nobility, and certainly
@ not over matters like this. Please leave me out of any lawsuits.
You've been included recently in a number of these sorts of posts.
Apparently, for whatever reasons, you seem to fit the role of Messiah to
the other folks named in the above list.
@ >You had better stop *all* Article cancellations right now.
@ That's for sure.
@ >We are giving you one week, "cabal" and then we shall
@ This I've got to see.
Don't hold your breath. Nothing will happen. This isn't the first time
this sort of empty threat's been made.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tzimon Yliaster - Tools of CHAOS Maintainer - http://www.crl.com/~tzimon
"Chaos is an endless fount of original realities in which anything
is possible at random... our worlds are unpredictable as to form"
E.E. Rehmus
Nathan J. Mehl
vfo...@panix.com (Vladimir Fomin) writes:
>Organization: Center for SubHuman Behaviour
Honesty in advertising, at last.
>How old was your youngest sex partner, Mr. Mell?
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
--
"The life of a sysadmin is always intense!"
If you think I speak for my employer, they'll be happy to correct you.
Nathan J. Mehl -- Just another bozo on the usenet bus -- nat...@bbnplanet.com
<A HREF="http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~nmehl">homepagesque</A>
PDBart
writes:
>You've been included recently in a number of these sorts of posts.
>Apparently, for whatever reasons, you seem to fit the role of Messiah to
>the other folks named in the above list.
He's the only person who espouses anything even remotely close to their
point of view that has his own system and that has any shred of
credibility among the frequent readers of the net-abuse newsgroup. The
combination is pretty potent in their tiny little minds and, hence, they
worship him.
-Paul
Stephen Boursy
Dave Hayes <da...@kachina.jetcafe.org> wrote:
>"Leo G. Simonetta" <ARC...@LANGATE.GSU.EDU> writes:
>>Sneck
>
>It would be really nice to know what this means.
It's a new 'in-crowd' term Dave. It means they've chopped out
the groups in the Newsgroups: line that they think you read so they
can quote you and respond to you without you seeing it.
>
>>I think we can exclude Hayes from this statement. I am fairly sure that
>>he is being dragged into this in a futile attempt to make the anti-cabal
>>seem rational.
>
>Neither dragged nor leading, neither looking to the left or the right.
>The cabal must be stopped, to be sure, but I will not sue anyone for
>anything. All that does is make lawyers that much more prosperous.
>
Yes--that Cabal must and will be stopped. We all have our
different ways of achieving that--Dr. Grubor and I like to pursue
legal avenues but your approach is most helpful and perhaps will indeed
be the answer.
I think the cabal's quite open discussion over in
news.admin.net-abuse.misc of 'punishing' non-cooperative sys
admins amounts to a need for anti-trust action.
Steve
>I will say the truth seems to be beyond most people's perception.
>--
> >>> Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - da...@jetcafe.org <<<
>
>Penitent (adj.) - 1. Someone who has been made incapable of enjoyment.
Stephen Boursy
M.Grubor <za...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Russ Allbery -- you are a shithead prick for directing
>your follow-ups away from my alt.is.too newsgroup.
>If it comes in there to you, you have NO RIGHT to trim any
>headers. Stop being such despicable scum, and listen to
>what the real net legends like dave.hayes and steve.boursy
>tell you to do. You are just a little boy who has not learned
>anything yet.
>
>Now *NEVER* cut my alt.is.too again!
>
>DrG
>
I've had the flu Dr. G. so I missed a day of this and will give
him a days grace on it but if he does this again, (i.e. leaves our
alt.is.too or news.admin.policy) we should either ignore him altoghter or
respond is groups he doesn't read. I agree it's not right and have been
having fun with G. Herbert's posts for quite a while.
Steve
Dave Hayes
>Sneck
It would be really nice to know what this means.
>I think we can exclude Hayes from this statement. I am fairly sure that
>he is being dragged into this in a futile attempt to make the anti-cabal
>seem rational.
Neither dragged nor leading, neither looking to the left or the right.
The cabal must be stopped, to be sure, but I will not sue anyone for
anything. All that does is make lawyers that much more prosperous.
I will say the truth seems to be beyond most people's perception.
Kenneth Jason Fair
za...@ix.netcom.com(M.Grubor ) wrote:
>If it takes flaming to get you to leave my newsgroup in, then
>so be it. I am a very busy man, and I must be able to refine mu
>time and input to the modes, methods and hierarchies which are
>most in line with my current needs, and your chopping of my newsgroup
>in the header makes me a less-efficient humanoid.
Aaah, single-entry bookkeeping rears its ugly head again...
Which is more efficient, one person reading an extra newsgroup, or hundreds
or people worrying about whether they include that person's favorite
newsgroup? None of the rest of us are less busy than you are; in fact,
some might be busier. You are asking us to expend our time and energy to
cater to you. If you are going to do a cost/benefit analysis like this,
you had better include ALL the costs and benefits.
There's a simple solution to this problem, John: post to one newsgroup
and one newsgroup only. That way, you know where the replies will be.
If someone crossposts your message to another group, you can ignore it,
since no one in that other group will know who you are or even care.
You see, John, what you are doing when you cross-post to a bunch of
unrelated groups is the equivalent of picking up a bullhorn and making
an announcement in the middle of a Rotary Club meeting. It may be
great for the ego to get everyone's attention, but it's not very
productive. Don't be surprised when people turn away and continue
their conversations.
--
KEN FAIR - U. Chicago Law | Power Mac! | Net since '90 | Net.cop
kjf...@midway.uchicago.edu | CABAL(tm) Member | I'm w/in McQ - R U?
The Constitution is more than simply the words. It includes
all of the legal, political, and social history of America.
M.Grubor
<r...@cs.stanford.edu> writes:
>
>In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, Hardrock <dhar...@kendaco.telebyte.com>
writes:
>> M.Grubor wrote:
>
>>> Russ Allbery -- you are a shithead prick for directing your
follow-ups
>>> away from my alt.is.too newsgroup.
>
was
>a flame.
I agree. And flaming is a very appropriate response to someone
who does something that interferes with one's ease or ability to
communicate in a concentrated fashion.
If it takes flaming to get you to leave my newsgroup in, then
so be it. I am a very busy man, and I must be able to refine mu
time and input to the modes, methods and hierarchies which are
most in line with my current needs, and your chopping of my newsgroup
in the header makes me a less-efficient humanoid.
I would not chop your requested newsgroup, Russ, and all I ask is
the same courtesy from you. The cabal has sort of
mitigated peoples ethics and morality, has it not?
>
>>> If it comes in there to you, you have NO RIGHT to trim any headers.
>
>I am not posting to your newsgroup because I am not interested in
having a
>discussion with you in this forum. I'll make a one-time exception to
that
>in order to post this message and say so.
>
All you have to say is "please no response in this forum"
and I would understand.
>If you are interested in having a discussion with me, you know which
forum
>to use.
>
yes.
>> Well that sucks. Looks like Russ will have a higher Kook Number v2
than
>> i will now.
>
These "kook-numbers" must be further defined if they want a place in
the book. Harrington is the one who invented these, is that not
correct?
DrG
Russ Allbery
> I've had the flu Dr. G. so I missed a day of this and will give
> him a days grace on it but if he does this again, (i.e. leaves our
> alt.is.too or news.admin.policy) we should either ignore him altoghter
> or respond is groups he doesn't read.
You are free to respond to my posts in any forum you choose. If you wish
to engage in a conversation, you know where you can reach me. If you feel
you must do something that you consider unethical in order to respond to
something you consider unethical, that is your choice.
Stephen Boursy
Russ Allbery <r...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
>> M.Grubor wrote:
>
>>> Russ Allbery -- you are a shithead prick for directing your follow-ups
>>> away from my alt.is.too newsgroup.
>
>Hi, John. I seem to recall you wanted a definition of "flame." That was
>a flame.
>
Yes--that is a flame.
>>> If it comes in there to you, you have NO RIGHT to trim any headers.
>
>
>I am not posting to your newsgroup because I am not interested in having a
>discussion with you in this forum. I'll make a one-time exception to that
>in order to post this message and say so.
>
That makes sense Russ and has some validity only if you are not
quoting Dr. Grubor. If you have no desire to follow up with him you
shouldn't be quoting him. My objection is more directed at the cowards
who like to take a cheap shot in safety.
I haven't checked news.admin.net-abuse.misc, etc. yet this evening
but on the whole you're pretty conscienscious about the followups being
directed if you know where they person you are quoting is from. When you
do not know you should leave the Newsgroups: line alone.
Steve
Stephen Boursy
David DeLaney <d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu> wrote:
>
>Newsgroups deboursified; he keeps _promising_ not to reply outside
>of the defunct news.admin.policy, but we all see how much that promise is
>worth repeatedly...
>
That's not true at at all David. I only point out that low life
scum such as yourself like to take out a posters newsgroup so they can
take a free cheap shot without a reply. As usual you're a coward David--
always have been--always will be.
Steve
Stephen Boursy
>
Yes but your a censorous little asshole Trebor hiding away
in news.admin.net-abuse.misc taking cheap shots. No balls Trebor
they call em.
Steve
M.Grubor
<r...@cs.stanford.edu> writes:
>
>In news.admin.net-abuse.misc, Stephen Boursy <bou...@world.std.com>
writes:
>
>> I've had the flu Dr. G. so I missed a day of this and will give
>> him a days grace on it but if he does this again, (i.e. leaves our
>> alt.is.too or news.admin.policy) we should either ignore him
altoghter
>> or respond is groups he doesn't read.
>
>You are free to respond to my posts in any forum you choose. If you
wish
>to engage in a conversation, you know where you can reach me. If you
feel
>you must do something that you consider unethical in order to respond
to
>something you consider unethical, that is your choice.
>
Thank you, and this thread can now end for this issue.
Leaving in just *one* header is very easy and very ethical.
All netizens shall hereafter be judged by this standard.
Leave your known respondent's home group in the header and become
ethical, like Russ Alberry. I may call this the "Allbery Standard"
in the book, since you have agreed to conform to this ethical behavior.
Let us hope the rest of the UseNet continues to adopt this
ethical approach to argument, and these back-stabbing quarrels
are soon done away with.
John M. Grubor
Doctor Of Law
CyberLawMaster
(c) DrG 1996
M.Grubor
Hey Paul: Nobody "worships" anybody, but their own face in the mirror.
Dave Hayes is to be commended as a significant person for offering an
uncensored news-feed to the UseNet. He left his previous employer to
enable a free-press to exist on this UseNet, and he will go down in
history as the "Ghandi" of the present times. His "virtual" Ideas and
Principles will now be freely propogated throughout cyberspace,
and this will bring a long-needed end to the influence of a dozen
or so "cabal" criminal types on this UseNet. History is being made
and being written as we speak. Make sure you download the book at the
end of the year. Steve Boursy is working on it right now, along with
myself and Dr*.
DrG
M.Grubor
>>so be it. I am a very busy man, and I must be able to refine mu
>>time and input to the modes, methods and hierarchies which are
>>most in line with my current needs, and your chopping of my newsgroup
>>in the header makes me a less-efficient humanoid.
>
>
>Which is more efficient, one person reading an extra newsgroup, or
hundreds
>or people worrying about whether they include that person's favorite
>newsgroup? None of the rest of us are less busy than you are; in
fact,
Hundreds of people have to do nothing!
The ONLY thing you have to do is NOT CHOP HEADERS!
is that too much to ask?
>some might be busier. You are asking us to expend our time and energy
to
>cater to you. If you are going to do a cost/benefit analysis like
this,
>you had better include ALL the costs and benefits.
>
There is NO cost to just NOt removing any headers.
>There's a simple solution to this problem, John: post to one newsgroup
>and one newsgroup only. That way, you know where the replies will be.
>If someone crossposts your message to another group, you can ignore
it,
>since no one in that other group will know who you are or even care.
>
The simple solution is just do not CHOP headers.
It takes NO effert to do that.
>You see, John, what you are doing when you cross-post to a bunch of
>unrelated groups is the equivalent of picking up a bullhorn and making
>an announcement in the middle of a Rotary Club meeting. It may be
>great for the ego to get everyone's attention, but it's not very
>productive. Don't be surprised when people turn away and continue
>their conversations.
>
Look Ken, you know that if I would ever to go to any meeting,
that they would all be listening to me. I have never walked
into a room in my life when instantly all eyes did not focus
on me. You have never heard my mouthpiece yet, son! Just wait!
DrG
M.Grubor
In <4emmgq$1...@crl3.crl.com> gher...@crl.com (George Herbert) writes:
>
>In article <4ekotl$h...@kachina.jetcafe.org>,
>Dave Hayes <da...@kachina.jetcafe.org> wrote:
>>What is KC2?
>
>Kooks Code 2; roughly equivalent to the Geek Code, used to indicate
>how often you're insulted by people who generally fall under the
>categories which are most often recognized in the monthly
Kook-of-the-Month
>award voting.
>
>>>And Dave? Do you think you could post a list of alleged Cabal
members?
>>>I'm curious as to who you think belongs.
>>
>>Every time I try, it gets cancelled. Don't worry. We will be
disempowering
>>them soon enough.
>
>Hey, don't forget, you're a Cabal member now too. You were nominated
>fair and square.
>
dave hayes will NEVER be known as a cabal menber.
he will be known as the cabal-killer in a few more months.
DrG
M.Grubor
Forbes) writes:
>
>[Posted and mailed.]
>
>+-- da...@kachina.jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) writes:
>|"Leo G. Simonetta" <ARC...@LANGATE.GSU.EDU> writes:
>|>Sneck
>|It would be really nice to know what this means.
>
groups
>that actually exist [*], removing the defunct "news.admin.policy" and
>the semi-nonexistent "alt.is", as I've done with this article. I've
>also removed irrelevant groups like alt.is.not and alt.is.too,
although
>Grubor takes great umbrage at this.
>
You are a back-stabbing motherfucker for doing this.
>[*] for clarity, and to avoid philosophical discussions with Dave,
>"exist" in this context means "carried at sites abiding by the Big 8
>Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation". "Alt.is" was the product of an
>incompetent news admin (Grubor, although he will dispute this claim),
>and did not exist outside his system until Tim Skirvin newgrouped it.
>
Hey motherfucker, as long as the newsgroup exists on *one*
server, than it exists as an alt.group.
Skirvin and da Silva were just plain usenet THIEFS!
>
>--
>Scott Forbes m.scott...@att.com
M.Grubor
In <DM198...@world.std.com> bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy)
writes:
>
> Steve
>
And he shall be entered into the "Usenet Anarchy" book
with exactly that name.
Now please netizens, follow the "Allbery Standard,"
instead of going the "No balls Trebor" way.
The book is being written every day.
Boursy and Grubor, ltd.
UseNet Publishing Co.
fre...@indy.net
: >What exactly does "Dr.DogFuck" mean anyway?
: It means that Grubor" fucks like a Dog." -- actually, it comes from
: a poodle's natural statements that she makes when she is getting a
: good fuck from grubworm. She usualy says: Oh, Dog!. Fuck Me! in
: repetative anus. It is just the Grub common lingo, and the poodle does
: not say it to you as a real Dog (supernatural)-- it is just that "oh dog"
: is the most common natural expression of "moron grubor" in this cuntry.
: I have had many dogs bark this same mantra in my lifetime, and I am
: sure many other Grubor clones have heard it if they pleased a dog.
: DrDogFuck
: ps: you also get the title if you go over 5 poodle pups {:-)
fre...@indy.net
: In article <4ehlhs$b...@slip.net>, <tre...@slip.net> wrote:
: >za...@ix.netcom.com(M.Grubor ) wrote:
: >
: >>: >>Now *NEVER* cut my alt.is.too again!
: >
: >>You mean like I just did? Ok...
: >
Yes but your a censorous little asshole Trebor hiding away
: in news.admin.net-abuse.misc taking cheap shots. No balls Trebor
: they call em.
And your girlfriend fomin is just a common thief who lost his account for
theft of services. Just like your girlfriend Grubworm is a common thief who
was disbarred and sent to prison for stealing his clients funds. Are you a
thief too, Stevie ?
Dave Hayes
>Apparently, for whatever reasons, you seem to fit the role of Messiah to
>the other folks named in the above list.
Whether Messiah or Anti-Christ, the same effect is noticable. People
take their eyes off of the real to watch the bauble.
--
>>> Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - da...@jetcafe.org <<<
Going to church does not make a person religious, nor does going to
school make a person educated, any more than going to a garage makes a
person a car.
DOMBAYCI
> Stephen Boursy (bou...@world.std.com) wrote:
[...]
>
> was disbarred and sent to prison for stealing his clients funds. Are you a
> thief too, Stevie ?
More like Stephanie...no?
M.Grubor
>
>Dave Hayes (da...@kachina.jetcafe.org) wrote:
>
>@ take their eyes off of the real to watch the bauble.
>
>And a fine bauble you are.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Tzimon Yliaster - Tools of CHAOS Maintainer -
http://www.crl.com/~tzimon
> FUCK the idiots that support it
> FUCK the government that supports it
> You may as well put me in jail now
And only DrG knows how to beat the CDA!
hehehe . . .
Bob Allisat will be our savior here. The CDA has no effect on him
or Dr. Joe Baptista.
DrG
M.Grubor
o.k., you can go now Victoria -- I just want to talk to your boss.
In <4eur8n$q...@panix.com> to...@panix.com (Lurking Girl) writes:
>
>[And a mighty *SNECK*]
>
>d...@manus.org (John Grubor) dixit:
>>Victoria: please leave my home newsgroup in next time, or I may never
>>see your response to me. Thanks -- DrG
>
>Sorry; I just can't. I explained this last time. Effluvia happens.
>
So you have to be a dumb-cunt about it, O.K. be that way.
maybe I should sue panix.com for your actions in promoting
the posting of my son's phone number for perverts, huh?
what is the number there?
>>Why can you not learn to leave a man's newsgroups in the header?
>
>Not a function of learning; I know perfectly well what you want.
>I shan't comply.
>
You must have no man -- it shows.
>>I have taught many women on this usenet how to act, Victoria, and
>>you also seem to be in need of courtesy lessons, so you had better
>>stop cutting alt.is.too. I will ship you to the alt.flame section
>>if you keep doing that.
>
>Oh, you can only take on women, eh? Well, this one's more than a
No baby, I take on anybody, and we can show no difference for women.
You seem to be getting to be a real fatherfucking slut-cunt whore about
all of this. You want to be a BAD-ASS CUNT, HUH?
>match for you, bucko. I was in the thick of flamewars years before
>you showed your noisy pug around here, and in far more vicious
>territory than alt.flame, thank-you-very-much.
>
Oh, were you the one overr there sucking the nigger cocks?
Or was that you sucking the lesbian's cunt in the corner?
You really want to be a BAD-BITCH, Huh Cunt?
>>You must learn to get some proper behavior
>>about you on usenet here.
>
>Does anyone else see the amazing level of irony in this statement?
>
No Irony at all, you fatherfucking slut-cunt whore!
I grew up in brooklyn baby, withhe niggers in Bedford - Stuy*
in Brooklyn, and a spart mouthed bitch really pissed me off.
>>Maybe it had been those many years with that
>>Seth Briedbart that has corrupted yur ways.
>
>Sorry, I was like this long before I ever heard of Seth. Thanks
>for playing.
>
>>>Seriously, you should have figured it out.
news.admin.net-abuse.misc
>>>belongs to the Cabal, and it has been decreed that there shall be
>>>no crossposts to newsgroups belonging to [list deleted]. So sorry.
>>>
Oh, it was decreed, huh?
>>That rule shall never be enforced.
>
>Guess what? It just was...
>
O.K., slut-cunt whore -- maybe I will sue panix.com just to
put your cint on the witness stand and show you HOW we enforce things.
call me cunt at (412) 829-7853 and see if you can face me on the phone.
>>It is all your opinion. We still need to interview you.
>>Are you anywhere near Washington Square? My investigative
>>reporter friend, Steve and I will meet you there, if that is
>>O.K. -- just one camera is all we will have. . o.k. . .?
>
>Investigative reporter? Speedbump couldn't investigate his way
>to the bathroom if he had the whole NYPD, the staff of the Times,
>and an army of janitors helping him.
>
>And if you think I'm meeting you two bozos anywhere, let alone
>Washington Square, you're loonier than anyone here has given
>you credit for.
>
Yes, maybe we better see you in court.
Steve has some godies for the D.A. on panix.com
and It might be nice to take a ride up there for a good
lawsuit. I miss radio city sometimes.
>Unless I can bring my axe.
>
>>>....Translation: Don't patronize me, bud.
>>>
>>Uh, I am not the "bud" -- you have me mixed up with your
>>neighbor, calyx.com.
>
>Que?
>
What the fuck does that mean?
>> And I am not here to "patronize" you
>>Victoria. I am here to interview you and write about you,
>>AND the others at panix.com -- you'all are due a whole chapter
>>as parts of the cabal network
>
>I don't care what you're here for; I don't like being patronized.
>What's to interview? I think I've made my position quite clear,
>and you've seen where Panix stands.
>
>You're not cleared for anything else. Fnord.
>
O.K., slut.cunt whore -- I am done with you.
off to alt.flame . . .
>--
> Victoria C. Fike * to...@panix.com * http://www.panix.com/~tori
> Lurking Girl of the LNH * Imperatrix Ludorum * v...@panix.com, too
> Finger me for PGP key, geek code, and sundry entertaining quotes
> "Munching on the tasty grass, the Sacred Chao said 'Mu.'"
-zando
fre...@indy.net
M.Grubor
>
>We do know that Grubor is the idiot who was disbarred on 10/20/82.
Wrong, you fucking liar. tht could not have happened, since he
resigned in March of 1982.
Jon Freeman is a "pathological liar" as we can see below:
There you go lying again, John. You know damn well that my
"verified record of resignation" is docketed with the Pennsylvania
Prothonotary and it is in the record as of June, 1982.
Now we all know what a liar you are here on UseNet,
but why do you continue to lie about your jew-blood?
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 05:52:57 -0500 (EST)
Here is a message sent by Jon Freeman
about his Jew Blood. Why does he deny that
he is really a Half-Jew?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 03:05:00 -0500
From: Jon Freeman <fre...@indy.net>
To: ma...@telerama.lm.com
Subject: Sol's Trip to Penna.
Date: Thur. 5 Oct.1995 15:32 -0400 (CDT)
From: Dr.Harold Wiesman <Harold@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: fre...@indy.net <Jon freeman>
Cc: Sol Levine <Sol@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Sol's trip to Penna.
Hello Jonathan,
How are you doing at University ? I am sorry to take so long to get
back to
you but I wanted to wait until the Jewish New Year, "Rosh Hashana" and
Yom
Kippur, "the "Day of Atonement" was ended to contact you again. It
is
amazing that the Hebrew people are in the year, 5756. Anna and I
recently
got back from Israel. Jerusalem was very beautiful to see. The
temperatures were warm in the days, mild at night. I spent a great
deal of
time in Temple and at my nephew's house outside of TelAviv in Jaffa.
He has
a wonderful Yew table, around which we spent much time debating the
Palestinian problem. I am not to sure about this peace settlement with
Yassar Arafat, I have not been able to trust these men since, 1973 and
before. Still, Alan and the others want to give it a try.
I hope and pray for the best. You would not believe how big, little
Sara
has gotten. She is a beautiful Jewess. Her Hebrew is wonderful and
now
she is learning Yiddish. She sends her love
and wants to know why you don't come and visit next summer. You would
do
this old man's heart good for you to see the Mother Country Israel.
Please
go with us next time Jonathan, Ok?
Now back to your problem with this John Grubor fellow. My people here
did
some checking on him and what I am about to tell you is some of the raw
data
that we have compiled. I have not had a chance to sit down with Sol
since
he got back from Pittsburgh. He did leave me a page of typed and
several
scribbled notes though, on what he observed, along with a half page
of
typed sensitive material. He mentions a town in Pennsylvania called,
East
McKeesport where he went for some of
his information. Do you know this place ? Sol's notes say he really
enjoyed the mountainous terrain of western Pennsylvania. He say's
Pittsburgh has lots of bridges, skyscrapers and is very hilly in
places, not
at all like Indianapolis. Sol is out on another field assignment,
because
as you may have heard the courts rejected our arguments to have a nazi
prison camp guard deported from the U.S. This is the first time in
history
that that this has occurred and I am some what nonplussed by the
court's
decision. We are appealing this decision and I hope this doesn't start
a
trend because we are preparing to move against Wille Kindsvattman, a
former
guard living in Ohio, who worked in a camp near Berlin. Sorry, I
digress
from the topic at hand.
Again the information I am transmitting is preliminary and should be
treated
as such. The more sensitive parts should be withheld for now but feel
free
to pass on the other parts that are not marked sensitive to your
associates.
Ok ?
Jonathan, You are correct that, John Martin Grubor was disbarred and
sent
to prison in the early 80's. He apparently appropriated his clients
funds
and has also been arrested for hemp on more than one occassion. He
has
lost his drivers license but continues to drive. We think it is because
he
still is a police operative/informant of some kind. Jonathan I want
you to
be very careful around this man if you and your friends decide to go to
Allegheny County. OK ?. My advice is that if you go, have Sol go
with
you. OK ? Young Sol is more than a match for this Grubor person.
John Martin Grubor is a educated, large white man about 50 yrs old,
about
200 lbs. 6'2".
He is telling the truth about being in good shape and apparently
studied
martial arts, and has a gun. He dresses very well, in suit and tie,
and
carries a gold pocket watch, similar to mine. He has wild hair and
very
dark long bushy eyebrows, a inch or so long, that he brushes straight
up.
He kind of looks like a gentile version of Abie Zimmerman but not as
friendly mannered as Abie.
I'll send you his photo if necessary. He is married to a white woman
named
Mary ? and has 7 girls. We want to leave his family completely out of
this.
substance. I know you are only Jewish on one side of your family
Jonathan, but I still consider you to be a good Jewish boy. I just
wish
you weren't so ashamed to admit this to those nice women you go out
with.
Why do you deny your heritage ? You have nothing to be ashamed of,
your
Grand Father was a good Rabbi. Please, don't try to hide this part
of
your Jewishness heritage. Please. Ok ? Judaism is a long and
proud
tradition.
And Jonathan, please try to go to temple once in awhile, Ok.?
With
YAHWEH's Love
Shalom
Aleichem
Harold
ps. Do you still read from the copy of the Torah that I sent to you on
Pesach ?
The answer to your trouble over being part Jewish, is in this
book of
laws.
Let me know what you think of this yarah. Ok ?
Stephen Boursy
Jake Kesinger <kesi...@math.ttu.edu> wrote:
>
>*sneck*
What a cowardly little bastard you are Kesinger. Taking
out groups in the crosspost so you can take a cheap shot. Have
you no pride. You've been added to the alt.limpdick hierarchy.
>M.Grubor (za...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: The book is being written every day.
>: Boursy and Grubor, ltd.
>: UseNet Publishing Co.
>
>Wow. Could Grubor, Fomin, *and* Boursy be the same idiot? And if
>so, which idiot are they?
>
> --Jake _ Jake Kesinger (kesi...@math.ttu.edu) <*>
>LUBBOCK -> _|*~- http://rowlf.cc.wwu.edu:8080/~n9146070/
> \, _} ``It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way
> \( to spell a word.'' (Andrew Jackson)
Dr. Grubor--I don't think Jake should be in our book.
Steve
Gregory G. Petersen
>We do know that Grubor is the idiot who was disbarred on 10/20/82.
How do "WE" know that -- do we even know who he is? I have seen this issue
posted before and I frankly am surprized at the content.
--
Gregory G. Petersen gr...@lawnet.com
Attorney at Law (Work) 714 708-8000
3185B Airway Drive (Fax) 714 708-8010
Costa Mesa, California 92660 (Home) 619-954-8088
fre...@indy.net
Well, since you claim to be a real lawyer, which I believe you are, then
the rules of disbarrment are probably similar in California. But don't take
my word for it, dial information in Penna. and ask for the number for
the Disciplinary Board of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. When you talk to
the Disciplinary Board tell them you are checking to see if John Martin
Grubor, of Allegeny Co. in Pennsylvania, is still a lawyer.
They will tell you that Grubor was disbarred on Oct. 20, 1982 and that he
is still under court ordered sanctions.
You can also call the Pa. Supreme Court Prothonotary Office in Philadelphia
at 1-215-569-6370 or write to them for a copy of the Grubor disbarrment
record at the following address: 468 City Hall, Phila. Pa. 19107. For one
dollar they will send you a copy of John Martin Grubor's disbarrment record.
Don't take my word or Grubor's on this, check it out for yourself, if you're
interested.
M.Grubor
writes:
Don't you think he would be appropriate there?
>
> Steve
Scot J. Trudeau
bou...@world.std.com (Stephen Boursy) wrote:
>In article <4f2mqg$c...@hydra.acs.ttu.edu>,
>Jake Kesinger <kesi...@math.ttu.edu> wrote:
>>*sneck*
>
> What a cowardly little bastard you are Kesinger. Taking
>out groups in the crosspost so you can take a cheap shot. Have
>you no pride. You've been added to the alt.limpdick hierarchy.
Sorry Steve. The alt.limpdick heirarchy is moderated. Your post was
rejected for that reason.
--
Scot J. Trudeau
stru...@star.net
http://www.star.net/people/~strudeau/
CyberGod
>Gregory G. Petersen (gr...@lawnet.lawnet.com) wrote:
>: In article <4f7cmv$s...@news.indy.net>, <fre...@indy.net> wrote:
>: >We do know that Grubor is the idiot who was disbarred on 10/20/82.
>
>: How do "WE" know that -- do we even know who he is? I have seen this issue
>: posted before and I frankly am surprized at the content.
>: --
>: Gregory G. Petersen gr...@lawnet.com
>: Attorney at Law (Work) 714 708-8000
>: 3185B Airway Drive (Fax) 714 708-8010
>: Costa Mesa, California 92660 (Home) 619-954-8088
>
>Well, since you claim to be a real lawyer, which I believe you are, then
>the rules of disbarrment are probably similar in California. But don't take
>my word for it, dial information in Penna. and ask for the number for
>the Disciplinary Board of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. When you talk to
>the Disciplinary Board tell them you are checking to see if John Martin
>Grubor, of Allegeny Co. in Pennsylvania, is still a lawyer.
>They will tell you that Grubor was disbarred on Oct. 20, 1982 and that he
>is still under court ordered sanctions.
>You can also call the Pa. Supreme Court Prothonotary Office in Philadelphia
>at 1-215-569-6370
And when you call, ask them if Grubor's "verified statement of resignation"
is on the dicket as of June, 1982. The prothonotary will verify that fact.
Any later 'disbarrment order" was moot and irrelevant.
DrGodFuckEsq
Stephen Boursy
>In <DMC5n...@world.std.com> bou...@world.std.com
(Stephen Boursy) >writes:
>>Jake Kesinger <kesi...@math.ttu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>*sneck*
>>
>>
>> What a cowardly little bastard you are Kesinger. Taking
>>out groups in the crosspost so you can take a cheap shot. Have
>>you no pride. You've been added to the alt.limpdick hierarchy.
>>
>>
>>>: The book is being written every day.
>>>: Boursy and Grubor, ltd.
>>>: UseNet Publishing Co.
>>>
>>>Wow. Could Grubor, Fomin, *and* Boursy be the same idiot? And if
>>>so, which idiot are they?
>>>
>>> --Jake _ Jake Kesinger (kesi...@math.ttu.edu) <*>
>>>LUBBOCK -> _|*~- http://rowlf.cc.wwu.edu:8080/~n9146070/
>>> \, _} ``It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one
>way
>>> \( to spell a word.'' (Andrew Jackson)
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Grubor--I don't think Jake should be in our book.
>>
>But what about in the "Cowardly Limpdick" category?
>Don't you think he would be appropriate there?
Yes--that will be appropriate--it was just obvious the little
prick was trying to get in our book. Any one have a photo of him??
Steve
fre...@indy.net
: DrDogFuckEsqliar
Grubor wrote:, "...is on the Dicket..." Geez Gay Lord Grubby I think you
have had to many dickets lately. I hope you're having these guys use condoms.
And yes the disbarrment order is not, "moot and irrelevant."
The disbarrment order means that John Martin Grubor can never legally
practice law as an attorney, with real clients, in a real court of law.