Google Groups

[D]

by now, everyone realizes that udp or depeering of Google Groups is
simply not going to happen; so the only solution is for unmoderated
newsgroup subscribers to continue filtering out "googlegroups.com"
message-id and reference headers from their favorite news readers;
discussions among news server administrators in news.admin.peering,
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, news.software.nntp, and other related
forums suggest that mercantile/commercial interests support Google

[Depeer Google Now!]

Enough of your agitprop surrender propaganda!

Depeer Google now!

[yamo']

Hi,
Depeer Google Now! a tapoté le 07/10/2023 07:24:
> Depeer Google now!

For my server I reject all googlegroups posts not in fr.* or news.*
(hiérarchies filtered by spamassassin).


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[D]

hmm... agitation... propaganda... surrender...? nothing unreal exists

[The Doctor]

In article <ufqq1r$1ckup$1...@paganini.bofh.team>,

Depeer Google Now! <dep...@google.now> wrote:
>

They are now flooding comp.mail.sendmail and comp.lang.c !

Time to cut the cord!
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[The Doctor]

Which way are you going?

[D]

On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 13:53:09 -0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <319cdad631a42353...@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>>On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 07:24:19 +0200, Depeer Google Now! <dep...@google.now> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 19:15:08 +0200 (CEST) D <J@M> wrote:
>>>> by now, everyone realizes that udp or depeering of Google Groups is
>>>> simply not going to happen; so the only solution is for unmoderated
>>>> newsgroup subscribers to continue filtering out "googlegroups.com"
>>>> message-id and reference headers from their favorite news readers;
>>>> discussions among news server administrators in news.admin.peering,
>>>> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, news.software.nntp, and other related
>>>> forums suggest that mercantile/commercial interests support Google
>>>
>>>Enough of your agitprop surrender propaganda!
>>>Depeer Google now!
>>
>>hmm... agitation... propaganda... surrender...? nothing unreal exists
>
>Which way are you going?

not getting the sense of "going" anywhere ... no place to go but earth,
which last I looked is down below, so the correct answer must be "down",
'Going Down' like the song says (Jeff Beck did a great version in 1972)

[llp]

yamo' a formulé ce samedi :

It's only a solution if you have no reader for big8.

[D]

On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 22:25:05 +0200, llp <l...@news.usenet.ovh> wrote:
>yamo' a formule ce samedi :
>> Hi,
>> Depeer Google Now! a tapote le 07/10/2023 07:24:

>>> Depeer Google now!
>>
>> For my server I reject all googlegroups posts not in fr.* or news.*

>> (hierarchies filtered by spamassassin).

>
>It's only a solution if you have no reader for big8.

"fr.soc.politique" could be no.1 for googlegroups.com en masse . . . don't
know about gg stats for big 8 (comp/humanities/news/misc/rec/sci/soc/talk),
but obviously alt groups are getting the treatment from the powers that be,
so even if gg were to go away, something worse would surely take its place

[The Doctor]

As in downhill.

[Adam W.]

D <J@m> wrote:

> so the only solution is for unmoderated newsgroup subscribers to
> continue filtering out "googlegroups.com" message-id and reference
> headers from their favorite news readers;

It's the best solution, I think. Let's give the users power to decide for
themselves. If Google posters find that nobody responds to their posts,
they'll figure a way to use a normal newsserver, but I don't want to force
my users to be part of this campaign.

Most of them use Usenet long enough to know how to use killfile.

> discussions among news server administrators in news.admin.peering,
> news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, news.software.nntp, and other related
> forums suggest that mercantile/commercial interests support Google

I don't think the interest is commercial. Most servers nowadays are run by
volunteers and provided for free, because they (we) just like Usenet and
want to keep it running (and can afford the -- relatively small -- costs
of keeping and maintaining the infrastructure).

There are exceptions, but I think they're rare.

I wouldn't shed a tear if Google stopped providing its service, but I
won't depeer it on my server as long as valid posters use it. It wouldn't
be fair to my users.

[D]

surely more power to everyone who runs and supports real newsgroup servers;
there is an old dial soap tv commercial that said "aren't you glad you use
dial? ...don't you wish everybody did?" (google should clean up their act)

[Retro Guy]

D wrote:

> surely more power to everyone who runs and supports real newsgroup servers;
> there is an old dial soap tv commercial that said "aren't you glad you use
> dial? ...don't you wish everybody did?" (google should clean up their act)

The problem is that probably most (American anyway) nntp server admins actually
do remember that commercial. We're not getting younger, and Usenet may eventually
go with us (text Usenet, that is).

--
Retro Guy

[D]

under the sun etc.

[Adam W.]

D <J@m> wrote:

> surely more power to everyone who runs and supports real newsgroup servers;
> there is an old dial soap tv commercial that said "aren't you glad you use
> dial? ...don't you wish everybody did?" (google should clean up their act)

The problem is different -- whether we want to start a crusade against
Google Groups at the expense of our users.

I don't, but every newsadmin is free to make their own decisions.

[The Doctor]

In article <ugp0nh$ls1$5$arn...@news.chmurka.net>,

In an security alanysis NNTP is stronger than HTTP.

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[The Doctor]

In article <ugpfn6$d4u$1$arn...@news.chmurka.net>,

GG has crossed to many abuse lines IMHO.

[Matija Nalis]

On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:50:16 -0000 (UTC), The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <ugpfn6$d4u$1$arn...@news.chmurka.net>,
> Adam W. <gof-cut-...@cut-this-chmurka.net.invalid> wrote:
>>The problem is different -- whether we want to start a crusade against
>>Google Groups at the expense of our users.
> >
>>I don't, but every newsadmin is free to make their own decisions.
>
> GG has crossed to many abuse lines IMHO.

Sure. And way too many Gmail accounts are used for sending e-mail spam too.
Yet many e-mail server administrators still don't blacklist *all* mails coming
from Gmail servers, because doing so (although it certainly has many benefits!)
would do more harm to their users than benefits.

The same principle applies here.

In short, easiest way out isn't always the best one (at least it is not the best
solution for *everyone*)

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Thus spake Matija Nalis <mnali...@voyager.hr>

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
wrong.

H.L. Mencken

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[The Doctor]

In article <slrnujamfr.6a...@leia.home.lan>,

That means time to see off Google GRloups.
As for Gmail spams

https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

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[The Doctor]

In article <8mbkcqi...@raybanana.net>,

Drop Google groups as a peer!

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[Adam W.]

Ray Banana <ray...@raybanana.net> wrote:

> For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and
> wrong.

Or "It's so much easier to suggest solutions when you don't know too much
about the problem." (Malcolm Forbes)

[Adam W.]

The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

> That means time to see off Google GRloups.

Users don't want that. Plain and simple.

Don't worry. Sooner or later Google Groups will die on their own.

[D]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:51:55 -0000 (UTC), gof-cut-...@cut-this-chmurka.net.invalid (Adam W.) wrote:
>The Doctor <doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> That means time to see off Google GRloups.
>
>Users don't want that. Plain and simple.

err . . .

[The Doctor]

In article <uh8li1$cck$2$arn...@news.chmurka.net>,

The problem is GG. The solution, Depeer them!

[The Doctor]

In article <uh8lmb$cck$3$arn...@news.chmurka.net>,

Hopefully sooner de to abue!