Looking for peering

[Elia]

Hello,

I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school project,
and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have any peers as
i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP too.

Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.

Thank you,

Elia

[Marco Moock]

Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:

> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
> project,

Great.
Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.

[Tom Furie]

Elia <m...@elia.li> writes:

> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
> project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
> any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
> too.

School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
problem, I just like to know some parameters.

Cheers,
Tom

[el1a]

We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
and wanted to show them something

[el1a]

I plan on running it indefinitely.

Regards,
Elia

[The Doctor]

Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
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[Ivo Gandolfo]

See https://www.bofh.team/info.txt

Just write me an email with your info, and your request. Pay attention,
a peer with me full feed (binary included) it's _min_ 7/10GB/day, only
2GB/day if you want full feed text.
If your reduce to at least few hyearchies, the bandwitch will be reduced.


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[candycanearter07]

On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1...@dont-email.me>, el1a <m...@elia.li> wrote:
>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>
>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>> project,
>>>
>>> Great.
>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>
>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>> and wanted to show them something
>
> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!

Cheers to that!
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[D]

dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet

[candycanearter07]

If you're asking about whether to say it is "in fact" an Internet
service or the "de facto" service, you should say "in fact". "De facto"
is technically the same phrase in Latin, but in practice it is used to
imply an industry standard or what is common. Usenet is absolutely not
"common", but it is an internet service.

[Marco Moock]

Am 27.11.2023 um 15:16:39 Uhr schrieb D:

> dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet
> service?

When it is being used over IP, then yes. In the past it was used with
UUCP without IP involved.

[D]

thanks for the common usage tip; so although usenet was established before
the internet, usenet is nonetheless actually, in fact, an internet service;
for some reason it seemed de facto meant "for all intents and purposes" or
"might as well be", e.g. "big alphonse capone is chicago's de facto mayor"

[Grant Taylor]

On 26/11/2023 21:37, Tom Furie wrote:
> School project? Is this news server only going to be active briefly, or
> do you have more long-term plans in mind? Brief isn't necessarily a
> problem, I just like to know some parameters.

I had the same question and reaction.

On 11/26/23 14:51, el1a wrote:
> I plan on running it indefinitely.

Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.



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Grant. . . .

[Grant Taylor]

On 11/26/23 17:56, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
> Just write me an email with your info, and your request. Pay attention,

> a peer with me full feed (binary included) it's min 7/10GB/day, only

> 2GB/day if you want full feed text.

Those binary numbers seem lower than I would assume.

Those text numbers seem about forty times higher than I was seeing.
Though the massive spam hose coming out of Google as of late may be
altering those numbers.

Aside: I have long maintained that I think it's possible to run a text
only Usenet server on 56k dial up.



Grant. . . .

[Marco Moock]

Am 27.11.2023 um 09:32:10 Uhr schrieb Grant Taylor:

> Aside: I have long maintained that I think it's possible to run a
> text only Usenet server on 56k dial up.

Also with reader clients?

[The Doctor]

No ! The WEb overseeds that.

[The Doctor]

In article <uk28kr$3piqa$1...@dont-email.me>,

It should be though.

[The Doctor]

In article <uk2clt$9u8$1...@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,

Same here!

[D]

okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
"unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

[Marco Moock]

Am 27.11.2023 um 17:17:13 Uhr schrieb D:

> okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
> "unix-to-unix copy", is not the same as how usenet became used once
> tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
> making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
> old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

Usenet itself is basically the same, regardless of the transport
protocol.
Although, for me an internet service is something that uses IP
(Internet protocol). NNTP is, UUCP over IP is, but UUCP directly
doesn't use IP.

The question is how far the term "Internet" goes.

Are other transmission protocols like UUCP also "Internet"?

[candycanearter07]

Agreed, but it's not as of today.

[D]

is ftp ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol

[D]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:16:19 -0000 (UTC), doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:

>In article <0c791076ab2d363c...@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 07:34:48 -0600, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>On 11/26/23 17:28, The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <uk0atd$3ddng$1...@dont-email.me>, el1a <m...@elia.li> wrote:
>>>>> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>>> Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
>>>>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>>>>> project,
>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>> Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
>>>>> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present it
>>>>> to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my class
>>>>> and wanted to show them something
>>>> Let's revive Usenet and get interest going again!
>>>Cheers to that!
>>
>>dumb question but ... is usenet in fact or de facto an internet service?
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet
>
>No ! The WEb overseeds that.

hmm . . .

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=overseeds
>overseed /o"ver-sed'/
>transitive verb
> To spread grass seed on (turf or an established lawn) in order to
> fill in thin or bare spots.
>intransitive verb
> To spread grass seed on turf or an established lawn.
>verb
> To replenish (a lawn, etc.) by adding more seeds.
>The American Heritage(r) Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
>* More at Wordnik

and "overseed" almost sounds like "supercede" . . . did ip "supercede" nntp?
google sure seems to think so . . . "holy see" . . . "over lord" . . . "god"

[The Doctor]

Meant supercede.

[The Doctor]

And then there is packet filtering FTP.

[llp]

doc...@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) composa la prose suivante:

>In article <uk2clt$9u8$1...@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
>Grant Taylor <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>>On 11/26/23 14:51, el1a wrote:

>>> I plan on running it indefinitely.
>>
>>Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.
>>

>Same here!

Same here.


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[Marco Moock]

Am 27.11.2023 um 19:02:49 Uhr schrieb D:

> is ftp ?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol

A rather tricky question.
RFC 765 of course, but original RFC 114 ran on NCP.
Is that Internet?
It was the predecessor of IP.

[Grant Taylor]

On 11/27/23 13:01, Marco Moock wrote:
> A rather tricky question.

Chuckle.

> RFC 765 of course, but original RFC 114 ran on NCP.
> Is that Internet?
> It was the predecessor of IP.

I was thinking the same thing.

I'm glad that someone brought it up.

[Grant Taylor]

On 11/27/23 10:03, Marco Moock wrote:
> Also with reader clients?

Eh ... it depends.

Admittedly I was thinking primarily about the amount of text Usenet
traffic per day. I'm sticking with 50 - 100 MB. I'm fairly certain
that can be transferred across a dial up modem in less than a day.

There's also the question of how would client's be connecting? If they
are over the same dial up modem connection that would imply not always
on operation which brings it's own set of problems. If it's LAN based,
well, then the dial up modem doesn't count. Dumb terminals connected to
a serial port (other than the one the dial up modem is connected to) are
also out of scope. }:-)

[Grant Taylor]

On 11/27/23 10:17, D wrote:
> okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
> "unix-to-unix copy",

I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators to
serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the news
spool directly from the news server.

Servers were almost certainly configured as peers and used UUCP or
something comparable but proprietary.

> is not the same as how usenet became used once
> tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,

When the introduction of TCP/IP clients started to be run on systems
other than the news server and accessed the news server remotely, likely
across the LAN, but possibly across dial up connections.

So the biggest difference I see in before and after the introduction of
TCP/IP is where the news client program was run;

- before: on the news server
- after: on client systems

> making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
> old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

I don't think so.

Usenet is a network of news servers. That network is independent of how
client's access the news server.

There are other LAN protocols that clients can use to connect to servers
across a LAN or even dial up.

[The Doctor]

Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?

[Grant Taylor]

On 11/27/23 18:24, The Doctor wrote:
> Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?

I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.

As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
Taylor UUCP.



Grant. . . .

[D]

seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
the op <m...@elia.li> did state "...trying to start a inn2 news server for
a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct

[D]

i don't know a thing about this, but . . .

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=taylor+uucp

[Grant Taylor]

On 11/27/23 20:40, D wrote:
> seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
> the op<m...@elia.li> did state "...trying to start a inn2 news server for
> a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
> describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
> so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
> the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
> so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct

Fair enough.

But you get into "what is an internet service"?

Arguably any service that is accessible via the Internet is an internet
service.



Grant. . . .

[The Doctor]

In article <uk3gh2$kcn$1...@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,

Sorry , that is Ian Taylor.

[Marco Moock]

Am 27.11.2023 um 18:06:17 Uhr schrieb Grant Taylor:

> I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators
> to serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the
> news spool directly from the news server.

From the stuff I heard, they connected to the server via serial line
(maybe with a modem or ISDN from remote) and read it with a software
that reads from the spool on the file system.

[D]

so generally speaking, while usenet is most widely available on the internet,
it may also be available on local area network or dial-up with usenet access;

[Grant Taylor]

On 11/28/23 09:58, D wrote:
> so generally speaking, while usenet is most widely available on the internet,
> it may also be available on local area network or dial-up with usenet access;

Yep.

Usenet servers used to be common things in University networks wherein
students & staff would access the server across the LAN.

[yamo']

Hi,
el1a <m...@elia.li> writes:

>> Elia <m...@elia.li> writes:
>>
>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>> project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
>>> any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
>>> too.

It's great to read this good news!

> I plan on running it indefinitely.

If you need another peer, you can drop me an email.

--
Stéphane

[The Doctor]

In article <878r6gl...@dellbian7280.pasdenom.info>,

Many will help you with the setup in news.software.nntp .

[Nigel Reed]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:14:14 +0100
Elia <m...@elia.li> wrote:

> Hello,

>
> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
> project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
> any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
> too.
>

> Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Elia

I am happy to peer with you. YOu can find my details at
https://www.endofthelinebbs.com/peering.html - just respond with your
relevant configuration and I'll get you going.



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telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23

[Nigel Reed]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:47:40 +0100

el1a <m...@elia.li> wrote:

> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
> >

> >> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
> >> project,
> >

> > Great.
> > Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
> >
> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present
> it to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my
> class and wanted to show them something

That sounds fantastic. Would love to see an influx of fresh, new views
into the world of usenet.