HELP - updating website - New owner Ignitebiz
windnsea
HELP - re: Ignitebiz.com - IT IS GOOD AND ETHICAL - NEW OWNER OF
DOMAIN NAME. I have owned it for a year or two..used to have
ignitebiz.net then let it go when .com became available. We are not
that site/that company that some on this list
see:
http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/browse_thread/thread/168e120109d3b153/9d3ec4568e1e4578?lnk=st.mp;q=web+contact.mp;rnum=3.mp;hl=en
where we are blasted and libeled. This has now been picked up by
xboxrepairs website on their contact us so it is being multiplied in
its damage impact.
When one googles, one can find the negative words about
ignitebiz.com... Please kindly consider putting in a clarification as I
am 100% a different entity than this other company that I think has
closed down.
Kindy revert and let me know how you can do this as it negatively
affects my business and is no longer current and thus libels my
company.
Any assistance or suggestions you have in helping my company inc. in WA
state be cleared in google and other listings is greatly appreciated.
I have been contacting others
I am writing to you today to also ask if you would kindly clarifly
about my website which I am to guess was once owned by a disreputable
company which has since closed its doors. Please annote and fix so the
libel does not show up on your:
http://www.xbox-repairs.com/web-contact.html or google gmail forums or
others. Thank you!
Sincerely
Nohl
Founder
www.ignitebiz.com
www.seattlecares.org
www.mynewfriend.com
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> Moderator and friends:
> HELP - re: Ignitebiz.com - IT IS GOOD AND ETHICAL - NEW
> OWNER OF DOMAIN NAME. I have owned it for a year or two
> ..used to have ignitebiz.net then let it go when .com
> became available. We are not that site/that company that
> some on this list
>
> picked up by xboxrepairs website on their contact us so
> it is being multiplied in its damage impact.
... and you care about what is on a 'xboxrepairs' website?
> When one googles, one can find the negative words about
> ignitebiz.com... Please kindly consider putting in a
> clarification as I am 100% a different entity than this other
> company that I think has closed down.
Let me get this right, you bought a domain name, that apparently
has a significant negative image in many people minds,
due to past history of abuse related to that domain name,
and you don't like it?
Well, I have not researched the links you provided yet,
however, if it is as bad as you make it out to be,
tossing the domain name (and writing it off as a loss)
sounds like a good idea.
That the domain name may no longer be a source of abuse,
does not mean it doesn't have a history of abuse; expecting
to change historical records is silly (at least).
Ok, I just looked at the News.Admin.Net-Abuse.Sightings post,
it is not going to go away, usenet posts are like pouring
concrete, once they are on the internet, it will be forever
for them to go away; furthermore N.A.N-A.S purpose is to
archive such things, as you found in that 2002 post, it serves
as a historical record.
<http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/msg/9d3ec4568e1e4578>
It is not libel, it is a historical record.
(... and not by any stretch of the imagination anything to be
worried about, I think you are overreacting, I'd forget it
if I were you {it's history! [pun intended]}.)
Try erasing or changing all the historical records about the
Tacoma Narrows Bridge "Galloping Gertie" (only lasted four
months) <http://www.google.com/search?q=Galloping+Gertie>.
Although more recent Tacoma Narrows Bridges may not be
infamous, one has a negative history and it is not going to
go away, any more than usenet archives are.
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> Moderator and friends:
> HELP - re: Ignitebiz.com - IT IS GOOD AND ETHICAL - NEW OWNER OF
> DOMAIN NAME. I have owned it for a year or two..used to have
> ignitebiz.net then let it go when .com became available. We are not
> that site/that company that some on this list
What blocklist are you on? You didn't type in the name of the list.
> see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/browse_thread/thread/168e120109d3b153/9d3ec4568e1e4578?lnk=st.mp;q=web+contact.mp;rnum=3.mp;hl=en
> where we are blasted and libeled.
Someting is libel only if it isn't true.
[..snip..]
> Any assistance or suggestions you have in helping my company inc. in WA
> state be cleared in google and other listings is greatly appreciated.
> I have been contacting others
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that google is a
blocklist. I suggest you read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
If, after learning what a blocklist is, you might want to check a few
blocklists and see if you ARE listed anywhere. If you are, then follow
the removal instructions for that list.
> I am writing to you today to also ask if you would kindly clarifly
> about my website which I am to guess was once owned by a disreputable
> company which has since closed its doors. Please annote and fix so the
> libel does not show up on your:
> http://www.xbox-repairs.com/web-contact.html or google gmail forums or
> others. Thank you!
No comment.
Stephen Satchell
> Someting is libel only if it isn't true.
Guess again. Libel can apply to publication information which is true.
I know. I was sued for libel once in which the prayer for relief
admitted what I published was true.
(Sorry this doesn't have anything to do with blocking lists. I don't
reply by e-mail as instructed by RFC 1855 because so many of the posted
e-mail addresses are hooked to spam traps in this newsgroup.)
ru.ig...@usask.ca
> see:
> http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/browse_thread/thread/168e120109d3b153/9d3ec4568e1e4578?lnk=st.mp;q=web+contact.mp;rnum=3.mp;hl=en
> where we are blasted and libeled.
Hold on, I thought you said you RECENTLY got this address.
Why on earth do you consider uncomplimentary remarks made to
the PREVIOUS holder of the IP name, and made years ago, as
directed at YOU? How can those messages be blasting and
libeling you, when they were directed at the previous owner...
unless you are the previous owner.
Actually, provide (more) proof that you and the previous owner are
different?
> This has now been picked up by
> xboxrepairs website on their contact us so it is being multiplied in
> its damage impact.
And what do you expect us (the readers of this newsgroup) to
do about that? Frankly, there is nothing anyone here can do.
Deal with it directly yourself.
> When one googles, one can find the negative words about
> ignitebiz.com... Please kindly consider putting in a clarification as I
> am 100% a different entity than this other company that I think has
> closed down.
Where? Why? How? We don't know you. We don't do business with you.
What do you expect us to do about it?
> Kindy revert and let me know how you can do this as it negatively
> affects my business and is no longer current and thus libels my
> company.
It can't be libel if was true in the past.
> Any assistance or suggestions you have in helping my company inc. in WA
> state be cleared in google and other listings is greatly appreciated.
> I have been contacting others
Not going to happen. Those are usenet messages and part of
a historical record. The only folks that have a chance of
removing any usenet posting is the original poster, and postings
that old have a low probability of being removed.
> I am writing to you today to also ask if you would kindly clarifly
> about my website which I am to guess was once owned by a disreputable
> company which has since closed its doors.
Well, if it once was, then a lot of those messages are simply
a historical record of what others thought of that company.
That's what you have to live with when you take such a soiled
IP name. You're going to have to build a better reputation the
hard way, by doing business more reputably than the previous
owner, and repeatedly explaining and showing how much better
you are.
> Please annote and fix so the
> libel does not show up on your:
> http://www.xbox-repairs.com/web-contact.html or google gmail forums or
> others.
Lousy syntax aside, you seem to not understand that some of the
forums in question are not mailing list forums nor google group
forums, they are usenet newgroups to which google is a gateway.
And in usenet, no one has control over messages once they've
been posted, even in moderated newsgroups.
Give up this method of damage control. Trying to erase the past
is always a pointless exercise, especially if it isn't your own
past. Work at building a better reputation for yourself instead.
ru
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Matthew Sullivan
> ber...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Someting is libel only if it isn't true.
>
>
> Guess again. Libel can apply to publication information which is true.
> I know. I was sued for libel once in which the prayer for relief
> admitted what I published was true.
Depends on the intent to cause damage, other applicable laws relating to such,
and the country you live in... the USA tends to be able to sue for anything
regardless of merit.
/ Mat
phil-new...@ipal.net
|> When one googles, one can find the negative words about
|> ignitebiz.com... Please kindly consider putting in a
|> clarification as I am 100% a different entity than this other
|> company that I think has closed down.
|
| Let me get this right, you bought a domain name, that apparently
| has a significant negative image in many people minds,
| due to past history of abuse related to that domain name,
| and you don't like it?
Apparently he already had the same name in the .net zone, and
picked up the .com version because in general lots of people
tend to habitually type .com instead of another TLD. While he
obviously failed to consider the ramifications of that action,
I believe there isn't anything inherintly bad in trying to make
it publically known that the .com version is under new ownership.
If the original spammer let the domain renewal lapse and he
just registered it from an OK registrar, I see no problem in
at least adding information that it is under new ownership.
If he paid money to a spammer for it, IMHO, it remains dirty.
| Well, I have not researched the links you provided yet,
| however, if it is as bad as you make it out to be,
| tossing the domain name (and writing it off as a loss)
| sounds like a good idea.
|
| That the domain name may no longer be a source of abuse,
| does not mean it doesn't have a history of abuse; expecting
| to change historical records is silly (at least).
Obviously the past is the past. But there is no reason not to
also make it clear that a change of ownership has taken place
(if indeed that is true). the new owner will, of course, have
to endure all the problems the name has accumulated in the past.
The truth of history will not go away. The truth of the present
should become a part of it, however.
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> BlackList wrote:
>> windnsea wrote:
>>> When one googles, one can find the negative words about
>>> ignitebiz.com... Please kindly consider putting in a
>>> clarification as I am 100% a different entity than this other
>>> company that I think has closed down.
>>
Absolutely, (He can put text on his web page,
put text in the footer of their e-mails, make usenet posts, ...
However I can't think of a way that a clarification can
be put in the N.A.N-A.S post that he pointed out where
they are "blasted and libeled", {they are not blasted
or libeled, the domain name achieved negative feedback due
to abuse related to it at that time}.
The horse has left the gate, it is in concrete now,
the person who made the N.A.N-A.S post is not going to
modify it, add to it, retract it, ... & I doubt they care
if someone else now owns the domain name.
It also makes no sense to make a new N.A.N-A.S post to
say that the domain is under new ownership.
{That post is history.}
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