SPEWS: S2986
Noble Image
www.youransweringservice.com (see below) got us listed in SPEWS. We
have contacted this client and made him aware that his hosting account
will be terminated if he engages in any spamming related activities in
the future. Any help in getting our IP address range delisted from
SPEWS would be greatly appreciated.
youransweringservice
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1, 65.73.183.201, youransweringservice.com (ns2.nobleimage.com)
(lanset.com)
2, 209.233.126.15, youransweringservice.com (aisle1.logicstore.net)
(lanset.com)
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Spamming to harvested fax to email addresses.
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Your Answering Service, Inc (YOURANSWERINGSERVICE-DOM)
3517 Marconi Avenue, Suite 101
Sacramento, CA 95821
US
Domain Name: YOURANSWERINGSERVICE.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Mccrea, Dennis (25350032I) den...@youransweringservice.com
Your Answering Service
3517 Marconi Avenue, Suite 101
Sacramento, CA 95821
US
916-487-0172 fax: 916-487-0198
Record expires on 20-Nov-2006.
Record created on 21-Nov-1998.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.LOGICSTORE.NET 209.233.126.15
NS2.NOBLEIMAGE.COM 65.73.183.201
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Perusion Hostmaster
> We have a small web hosting business and one of our clients
> www.youransweringservice.com (see below) got us listed in SPEWS. We
> have contacted this client and made him aware that his hosting account
> will be terminated if he engages in any spamming related activities in
> the future. Any help in getting our IP address range delisted from
> SPEWS would be greatly appreciated.
I don't know how you expect anyone to help. Keeping spammers as
customers is not the way to get quickly delisted from SPEWS.
Basically, SPEWS appears to not believe spammers when they
say they won't spam. They appear to wait some months before
the lack of spam backs up the statement.
I guess they figure that if you are morally impaired enough to
spam in the first place, you can't be believed. The history I
have seen seems to bear this out.
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Dr. Anton.T. Squeegee
ma...@nobleimage.com says...
> We have a small web hosting business and one of our clients
> www.youransweringservice.com (see below) got us listed in SPEWS. We
> have contacted this client and made him aware that his hosting account
> will be terminated if he engages in any spamming related activities in
> the future. Any help in getting our IP address range delisted from
> SPEWS would be greatly appreciated.
<snippety>
I'm not SPEWS, but I've seen how they operate. The fact that you
only warned your "client" is probably not in your favor. The above
should probably have read:
"We have contacted the client to inform them that they can take
their hosting account elsewhere, effective immediately..."
Translation: Kick your pet spammer off your network if you expect
SPEWS (and other admins) to take you seriously.
--
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(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
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JerryMouse
> We have a small web hosting business and one of our clients
> www.youransweringservice.com (see below) got us listed in SPEWS. We
> have contacted this client and made him aware that his hosting account
> will be terminated if he engages in any spamming related activities in
> the future. Any help in getting our IP address range delisted from
> SPEWS would be greatly appreciated.
If the spammer is still your client, the listing will "age" off as SPEWS
becomes more and more convinced that the spammer has truly come to Jesus.
Inasmuch as spammers lie, SPEWS is probably reluctant to accept the
once-removed promise of a known spammer.
This aging process takes about a year (some say six months).
Check back sometime this summer.
On the other hand, should you decide to terminate all relationships with the
spammer, the listing will disappear (usually) in but a few hours.
Tom Henderson
> Noble Image wrote:
> > We have a small web hosting business and one of our clients
> > www.youransweringservice.com (see below) got us listed in SPEWS. We
> > have contacted this client and made him aware that his hosting account
> > will be terminated if he engages in any spamming related activities in
> > the future. Any help in getting our IP address range delisted from
> > SPEWS would be greatly appreciated.
>
> If the spammer is still your client, the listing will "age" off as SPEWS
> becomes more and more convinced that the spammer has truly come to Jesus.
> Inasmuch as spammers lie, SPEWS is probably reluctant to accept the
> once-removed promise of a known spammer.
>
> This aging process takes about a year (some say six months).
>
> Check back sometime this summer.
>
> On the other hand, should you decide to terminate all relationships with the
> spammer, the listing will disappear (usually) in but a few hours.
The only message at spews is "Spamming to harvested fax to email addresses.",
and we aren't exactly sure what this means. Could someone explain in
more detail? What is a "harvested fax to email" address?
We contacted the owner of the company who stated "We have not used
any broadcast e-mail or fax programs. This is a total mystery to me."
Is there some more specific data available? Or could someone explain
what "Spamming to harvested fax to email adddresses." means?
Are they accused of sending spam faxes? Sending spam email to email
address harvested off faxes sent to them? Some help in explaining
to them what they did wrong would help us confront them and explain
the situation.
We are concious of what our clients do, we just need something to show
them and better explain to them the issue. To the best of our knowledge
they have never sent spam emails through our server. If they used a spam
company to send emails on their behalf, is there a sample email we can
show them to explain their wrongdoing?
Sometimes a small company makes a mistake and they just have to be
educated. Only having the quotation "Spamming to harvested fax to
email addresses" makes it hard for us to explain to them what they did.
BTW, the ab...@youransweringservice.com address is monitored, and has
never received any complaints.
Thanks in advance,
Tom
JerryMouse
Sure. "Harvested" means the email addresses/fax numbers in question were
scraped from newsgroups and web pages, usually by robots. For example, SPEWS
may have had an email address hidden on a web page that could never been
seen by a human but could be found by a web crawler designed for the purpose
of finding all possible email addresses on web pages. Subsequent email to
that address could ONLY have come from a web-crawling robot. Another
possibility is scanning newsgroups for email addresses, but some of us set a
name in our posts to be used only for newgroup postings. Any spam sent to
that account means the email address has been "harvested."
>
> We contacted the owner of the company who stated "We have not used
> any broadcast e-mail or fax programs. This is a total mystery to
> me."
>
> Is there some more specific data available? Or could someone explain
> what "Spamming to harvested fax to email adddresses." means?
> Are they accused of sending spam faxes? Sending spam email to email
> address harvested off faxes sent to them? Some help in explaining
> to them what they did wrong would help us confront them and explain
> the situation.
They are accused of causing spam to be delivered to addresses that could
never have requested email.
>
> We are concious of what our clients do, we just need something to show
> them and better explain to them the issue. To the best of our
> knowledge
> they have never sent spam emails through our server. If they used a
> spam
> company to send emails on their behalf, is there a sample email we can
> show them to explain their wrongdoing?
NANAS (news.admin.net-abuse.sightings) has about 48,000 sample emails from
lanset.com. I have no idea how that affects the listing.
>
> Sometimes a small company makes a mistake and they just have to be
> educated. Only having the quotation "Spamming to harvested fax to
> email addresses" makes it hard for us to explain to them what they
> did.
You don't have to explain. They know what they did. So does SPEWS.
ste...@my-deja.com
Henderson) wrote:
>
>The only message at spews is "Spamming to harvested fax to email addresses.",
>and we aren't exactly sure what this means. Could someone explain in
>more detail? What is a "harvested fax to email" address?
It looks like SPEWS updated the record in response to your post.
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S2986
Spamming to harvested fax to email addresses.
"Fax to email" = Fax# => PC-image-to-TIFF => email address.
Basic fax spammer - illegal in the USA.
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It appears SPEWS alleges they are sending out fax spam Perhaps they
hired fax.com to send out promotional faxes and they came to the
attention of SPEWS.
FWIW I have over 700 fax spams in my posession that were sent to me,
not including the ones sent to my efax.com fax number in Florida,
which received fax spam about local restaurants, etc. I am thousands
of miles from Florida. Which illustrates the problem with spam, and
fax spam especially.
So maybe the SPEWS admins have a efax number that your customer or
their fax spamming contractor faxed to. You should ask them.
CJ Llewellyn
news:f5c7729e.04012...@posting.google.com...
-snip-
> Sometimes a small company makes a mistake and they just have to be
> educated. Only having the quotation "Spamming to harvested fax to
> email addresses" makes it hard for us to explain to them what they did.
>
> BTW, the ab...@youransweringservice.com address is monitored, and has
> never received any complaints.
Somebody has registered an e-mail address belonging to a spews admin with
Your Answering Service and then passed the fax number to a junk mailer.
You should ensure that YAS confirms that the e-mail address being used to
register the e-mail address belongs to the person registering for the
service. As it seems their current process is open to abuse.
As for getting delisted, you'll either have to boot YAS, or come up with a
plan that confirms active and valid accounts, deletes invalid accounts and
prohibits abuse of the service.
Tom Henderson
> It appears SPEWS alleges they are sending out fax spam Perhaps they
> hired fax.com to send out promotional faxes and they came to the
> attention of SPEWS.
>
> FWIW I have over 700 fax spams in my posession that were sent to me,
> not including the ones sent to my efax.com fax number in Florida,
> which received fax spam about local restaurants, etc. I am thousands
> of miles from Florida. Which illustrates the problem with spam, and
> fax spam especially.
>
> So maybe the SPEWS admins have a efax number that your customer or
> their fax spamming contractor faxed to. You should ask them.
Yes, having the fax number (if it is private, an email directly
to me is fine) would help, as we can then ask our customer
where they got the fax number, and what they have faxed to it,
or if they hired a company to fax their promotions.
Apparently there are no issues with spam _email_ -- the issue is
with faxes (only one?), and we only have vague information on that.
Information such as "a fax sent from Acme Spam Faxer", or
"with a removal number of 800 xxx" would help us question the
customer with some hard evidence.
Thank you,
Tom
ste...@my-deja.com
Henderson) wrote:
>
>Yes, having the fax number (if it is private, an email directly
>to me is fine) would help, as we can then ask our customer
>where they got the fax number, and what they have faxed to it,
>or if they hired a company to fax their promotions.
Based on past observations that will not happen, nobody is going to
give you more evidence than is in the spews file. But I am not spews,
so what do I know?
Did you ask the customer if they had sent out junk faxes, or hired a
contractor to do so? Just ask them. If they admit it you will know.
If they deny it, well, you better ask them to move.
If they deny it you will not be able to clean this one up. I could be
wrong but that's how this stuff usually works out with spews. There
is no recourse. Do you know why that is?