About those microsoft.public rmgroups
Adam H. Kerman
checkgroups, prior to Microsoft beginning its purge of newsgroups.
Any rmgroups you issue, start with the least trafficked, most obscure
of the microsoft.public.* newsgroups, clearly stating that these are the
first in a long series of rmgroups to be issued in conjunction with the
shutdown of msnews.microsoft.com. Issue rmgroups for the most heavily
trafficked newsgroups last.
Do not issue rmgroups in a list ordered by groups alphabetically by
3rd- or 4th-level hierarchy. Issue rmgroups by traffic level, from lowest
to highest. Do it over a long period of time.
I don't support what you intend to do.
You're not hierarchy administrator, so your nonrecognition of these
newsgroups after the Microsoft News server is taken down is meaningless.
Some News administrator somewhere who recognizes your "authority"
but wishes to retain these newsgroups is going to find his News server
purged because he isn't aware of what's going on as he doesn't read the
microsoft.public groups himself.
A much better idea would be for you to issue that final checkgroups and
state in it, clearly, that as Microsoft's News server is about to go off
line that you will no longer be "maintaining" microsoft.public.* group
lists, and leave it at that.
Julien ÉLIE
> Julien, please send a final checkgroups, clearly labeled as a final
> checkgroups, prior to Microsoft beginning its purge of newsgroups.
The real final checkgroups was a few months ago, before 500+ newsgroups
were removed in the row.
Anyway, I will send another current checkgroups in news.lists.misc.
> Issue rmgroups by traffic level, from lowest to highest.
That, I won't do.
However, there will be rmgroups over a few days.
> Some News administrator somewhere who recognizes your "authority"
> but wishes to retain these newsgroups is going to find his News server
> purged because he isn't aware of what's going on as he doesn't read the
> microsoft.public groups himself.
I always said that my control articles were mirroring the state of
msnews.microsoft.com. Microsoft is going to take down their news server
over a period of at least 6 months.
It gives time for news administrators to decide not to honour my control
articles any longer.
> A much better idea would be for you to issue that final checkgroups and
> state in it, clearly, that as Microsoft's News server is about to go off
> line that you will no longer be "maintaining" microsoft.public.* group
> lists, and leave it at that.
Giving up is not "maintaining". I'm going to accompany microsoft.public.*
until its end.
As I already told, if somebody wants to go on "maintaining" the hierarchy
and give it another life that it never was my intent on doing (I am just
mirroring the current list of newsgroups in msnews.microsoft.com),
he has to speak up now, provide a public PGP key and send control articles.
I can mention his PGP key in the checkgroups (in news.lists.misc)
and rmgroup control articles I will send, so that it could be known to
news administrators who currently follow my control messages.
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Julien �LIE
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�a prouve quand m�me une certaine facult� d'invention. � (Jacques Sternberg)
Adam H. Kerman
>Hi Adam,
>>Julien, please send a final checkgroups, clearly labeled as a final
>>checkgroups, prior to Microsoft beginning its purge of newsgroups.
>The real final checkgroups was a few months ago, before 500+ newsgroups
>were removed in the row.
I guess that's true.
>>Some News administrator somewhere who recognizes your "authority"
>>but wishes to retain these newsgroups is going to find his News server
>>purged because he isn't aware of what's going on as he doesn't read the
>>microsoft.public groups himself.
>I always said that my control articles were mirroring the state of
>msnews.microsoft.com. Microsoft is going to take down their news server
>over a period of at least 6 months.
>It gives time for news administrators to decide not to honour my control
>articles any longer.
Are you stating what's going on in each and every rmgroup that it's in
preparation for the final removal of the Microsoft News server?
Julien ÉLIE
>> I always said that my control articles were mirroring the state of
>> msnews.microsoft.com. Microsoft is going to take down their news server
>> over a period of at least 6 months.
>
> Are you stating what's going on in each and every rmgroup that it's in
> preparation for the final removal of the Microsoft News server?
Yes, the same way I did last year. With a pointer to the relevant
Microsoft web page explaining their decision.
And possibly a pointer towards a new PGP key if someone wants
to revive microsoft.* newsgroups.
--
Julien �LIE
� Mettez-vous de profil avec les �paules de face
et ne bougeons plus je vous prie. � (Ast�rix)
Adam H. Kerman
>Hi Adam,
>>>I always said that my control articles were mirroring the state of
>>>msnews.microsoft.com. Microsoft is going to take down their news server
>>>over a period of at least 6 months.
>>Are you stating what's going on in each and every rmgroup that it's in
>>preparation for the final removal of the Microsoft News server?
>Yes, the same way I did last year. With a pointer to the relevant
>Microsoft web page explaining their decision.
>And possibly a pointer towards a new PGP key if someone wants
>to revive microsoft.* newsgroups.
I'd say the chances of someone reviving a brand-specific customer support
hierarchy after abandoned by the manufacturer are only slightly better than
Microsoft writing a decent newsreader.