net.* hierarchy

[Jason Evans]

I recently saw mention of some great discussions in
net.subculture.usenet. I was able to read some of them from the
archive.org Usenet archives and I was surprised to see that the isc list
still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

I thought all of the newsgroups in that hierarchy went away after the
great renaming like to many others or converted to big-7 groups.
Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.


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JE

[Thomas Hochstein]

Jason Evans wrote:

> I was surprised to see that the isc list
> still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

[Jason Evans]

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 23:18:31 +0200, Thomas Hochstein wrote:

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_II>

OIC. I didn't realize that's what that was. That's very interesting.



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JE

[Julien ÉLIE]

Hi Jason,

> I was surprised to see that the isc list
> still contains groups in the net.* hierarchy.

The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
not seem relevant any longer:
URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/con...@usenet2.org.asc

Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

> Obviously I was wrong. I would like to know, out of curiosity, if anyone
> is responsible for that hierarchy or if it has been abandoned.

In control.ctl, net.* has historic state, "almost entirely abandoned".
Maybe it is now totally abandoned?
http://usenet.trigofacile.com/hierarchies/index.py?see=NET

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Ta remise sur pied lui a fait perdre la tête ! » (Astérix)

[Jason Evans]

On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 14:38:42 +0200, Julien ÉLIE wrote:

>
> Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?
>

Wayback Machine is the only thing left:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050818051326/http://www.usenet2.org/


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JE

[Thomas Hochstein]

Julien ÉLIE schrieb:

> The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW. These two URL do
> not seem relevant any longer:
> URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
> Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/con...@usenet2.org.asc

They disappeared about 10 years ago.

> Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?

I don't think so.

[Rink]

Op 8-6-2021 om 23:53 schreef Thomas Hochstein:

I googled and found this site:

<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>

But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
were looking for.
(I am not a computer / internet / usenet expert, just an user)

Rink

[Julien ÉLIE]

Hi Rink,

>>> The control.ctl entry for net.* should be updated BTW.  These two URL do
>>> not seem relevant any longer:
>>>     URL: http://www.usenet2.org/
>>>     Key URL: http://www.usenet2.org/con...@usenet2.org.asc
>>
>> They disappeared about 10 years ago.
>>
>>> Does anyone happen to know if there is still a web site to refer to?
>

> I googled and found this site:
>
> <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/soundness-inn.html>
>
> But I do not understand much of it and I do not know if this is what you
> were looking for.

Thanks for the pointer, I've just read that page I did not know. It
indeed gives more background about Usenet II. Pretty interesting for
historic purpose.
Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official homepage.
It appears from discussions in this thread that such a homepage no
longer exists. RIP.

--
Julien ÉLIE

« Open the black window and type text, to fix the network. »

[Russ Allbery]

Julien ÉLIE <iul...@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> writes:

> Yet, it was not exactly what I was looking for; this is more a FAQ and
> how to configure a news server to carry Usenet II than an official
> homepage. It appears from discussions in this thread that such a
> homepage no longer exists. RIP.

Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but
everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

I've updated control.ctl to remove the legacy control information and make
it clearer that no one is using the hierarchy any more.

--
Russ Allbery (ea...@eyrie.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

[Jason Evans]

On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:03:25 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:

> Yeah, Usenet II was a failed experiment. It was active for a while, but
> everyone slowly went elsewhere, mostly to another private hierarchy with
> less ambitious goals and a much smaller number of peering news servers.

That's sad. It seemed like an interesting project. The archives of net
hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested:
https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

[Thomas Hochstein]

Jason Evans wrote:

> The archives of net
> hierarchy that I've been reading are here if anyone is interested:
> https://archive.org/download/usenet-net

I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.

-thh

[Unknown]

>I think that's not the net.* from Usenet II, but the (older) net.*
>from before the Great Renaming. Those groups became the Big7 (later
>Big8), so net.* had been re-purposed later on for Usenet II.
>
>-thh

It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
newsgroup.

[Thomas Hochstein]

Jason Evans schrieb:

> It's both. I had been reading net.subculture.usenet which is a Usenet II
> newsgroup.

Ah, good to know. I'll have a look, then, again.

-thh