Using NewLively as a teaching/learning environment

[AndriesLouw]

Hello,

First, let me introduce myself, I'm Andries Louw Wolthuizen, an
researcher for a school located in the Netherlands (Europe).

I'm currently investigating if NewLively could be used in schools.
We're currently experimenting with Wonderland ( https://lg3d-wonderland.dev.java.net/
), but the development of Wonderland is very slow (it's from Sun
Microsystems, need I say more?), and it comes with a load of bugs.

An example of how we use Wonderland at this time can be viewed on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYS6YzgPujc

We would love to use NewLively instead of Wonderland, because
NewLively is faster, lighter in resources, and more attractive to
students because of the comic-style graphics.

But, we miss some functions:
- We would love to have a blackboard, where an user could put an
image on, like a sheet from a presentation. It doesn't care in which
image-format.
- In addition to that, but this is harder to implement, we would want
to deliver an video-stream from our servers, to show it in an
NewLively room, similar to the MiRTLE/Wonderland project. The stream
would be hosted by us, and users would connect to our stream-server,
no need for sound, only a +/- 6 FPS video-"screen".
- At this time, it is not possible to use NewLively if we're using
our school-proxy, is there any setting that we miss? And could you
inform us of the ports that NewLively is using?

Also, it would be wonderful if we could talk through an headset in
NewLively, but we know this is bandwidth-consuming, and hard to
program and maintain, so instead of that, we would use something like
TeamSpeak for that.

That's all we need to make NewLively a successful teaching/learning
environment. We love your concept, and maybe there is a way in which
we can support you.

--
Greetings,
Andries Louw Wolthuizen

[Yichang Liu]

Great Idea.

NewLively will be a good teaching/learning environment.
There is be no problem as about the missing functions in the future versions.
We will support the function of a blackboard, video-stream, and voice
chat. We just need more time to get all the works done.

Could you tell me more about the proxy problem? Are there any ports blocked?

Thanks

[AndriesLouw]

Hello Yichang Liu,

Thank you for answering, I'm really looking forward to those future
versions, and I (and the 500 colleagues and 4500 students) want to
thank you in advance.

Information about our proxy server:
It's a SOCKS 4 or 5 server, listening on our internal network (IP-
adress is in the 10.x.x.x range). We've set it in Internet Explorer on
host "proxy" port "3128".
All ports are blocked by default, except the ports used for ICMP, DNS
(53), HTTP (80), HTTPS (443) and DirectAdmin (2222) (those ports are
whitelisted). But, if we know which ports are used by NewLively, we
will add it to our "whitelist of ports".

Because this proxy is an part of our security-policy, we can't go on
the internet without using it. It's the only server/computer in our
school that is physically connected to the internet (1 Gbit/s Private
WAN Fiber ring) and to our LAN at the same time, and all internet
connections from other computers/servers MUST go through this proxy-
server.

The problem with NewLively seems that the plugin (Lyinux) does not
connects/routes through this proxy server (although it is configured
default in Internet Explorer and Firefox), but instead, tries to
connect to the internet directly. We don't understand a word Chinese
(sorry..), so we couldn't find the setting in that Lyinux-program.
But, it can also be that NewLively is using a different port, one that
isn't in our whitelist.

This is what happens on a "default" computer on our school, which is
not connected directly to the internet:
- We can reach newlively.com, we can login, and we can download an
install the plugin without any problems.
- We can click on a room.
- Then, the room loads, with all of his objects, but we don't see an
avatar, the point-of-view isn't rotating, but we do see clouds passing
by.

If we connect the same "default" computer, directly to the internet
(we asked our System Administrator to do this for testing), everything
just works fine, this time the avatar loads, our view is rotated
around the avatar, and we can move (just like it is meant to work)

I hope this information is useful for you, and there is any way we
could solve this issue together.

--
Greetings,
Andries Louw Wolthuizen

On Jan 13, 3:32 am, Yichang Liu <liuyich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great Idea.
>
> NewLively will be a  good  teaching/learning environment.
> There is be no problem as about the missing functions in the future versions.
> We will support  the function of a blackboard, video-stream, and voice
> chat. We just need more time to get all the works done.
>
> Could you tell me more about the proxy problem?  Are there any ports blocked?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:23 AM, AndriesLouw <andriesl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > First, let me introduce myself, I'm Andries Louw Wolthuizen, an
> > researcher for a school located in the Netherlands (Europe).
>
> > I'm currently investigating if NewLively could be used in schools.

> > We're currently experimenting with Wonderland (https://lg3d-wonderland.dev.java.net/

[Yichang Liu]

Andries Louw Wolthuizen,

I'll confirm the port we are using and tell you tomorrow.

Thanks

[Yichang Liu]

hi,Andries Louw Wolthuizen，

Newlively is using port 8080, so pls add port 8080 to your black list.

Best Regards

Liuyc

[AndriesLouw]

Hello Yichang Liu,

Thank you, I will ask our system administrator to add port 8080 to the
white list of our proxy server.

Could you also tell me which IP-range is used by the NewLively
servers, so that we can whitelist those to?

--
Greetings,
Andries Louw Wolthuizen

On Jan 14, 6:07 pm, Yichang Liu <liuyich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi,Andries Louw Wolthuizen，
>
> Newlively is using port 8080, so pls add port 8080 to your black list.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Liuyc
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Yichang Liu <liuyich...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Andries Louw Wolthuizen,
>
> > I'll confirm the port we are using and tell you tomorrow.
>
> > Thanks
>

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[Yichang Liu]

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