Re: [Radio Officers, &c] Re: ATTN: KPH, KSM and other Coastal Stations
David Ring
salt water.
Would you, TR, be inclined to accept my proposal that amateurs have a
small authorization from 505-515 kHz and in addition that amateurs
with former or current WT certificates who agree to the ITU Maritime
Mobile rules be authorized 500 kHz for calling only.
That would mean that I could call you:
WB6TMY de N1EA QTC K
and you could answer giving a frequency in the amateur allocation.
I have suggested that it is "requested" that those amateur stations
authorized for 500 kHz keep a watch.
Remember - according to my proposed compromise, those on 500 kHz would
be either ex- Coast Station technicians or operators, and ex- Radio
Officers - from ALL nations.
I believe this is acceptable.
I also propose that the channel of 500 kHz be sufficiently wide to
provide for ship to shore SITOR ARQ and/or FEC - this is what the "New
500 kHz Network Group" of France wishes. I see no problem with this.
No one in this group wants to see undisiplined use of 500 kHz and all
of this group wants to preserve 500 kHz.
I believe my proposal - perhaps with further modifications - will be
acceptable to all.
73
Do we have any substantial objections to my proposal?
I wish to propose:
An amateur authorization of 500 to 515 kHz with a guard channel of 496
to 504 kHz for 500 kHz "Distress, Urgent, Safety, Maritime and General
Maritime ship to ship and ship to shore calling".
I propose that coast stations and ship stations be authorized A1, A2
and F1 (FEC and ARQ SITOR) on 500 kHz. I propose that Amateurs be
authorized A1 emission in the band 505 to 515 kHz.
I forther propose that ONLY Amateurs with current or past commercial
WT licenses who agree to be bound by the ITU Maritime Mobile Rules and
Regulations be authorized to use A1, A2 emissions for calling on 500
kHz and that those transmissions be in accordance with both ITU
Maritime Mobile and their nations radiocommunications laws - WHICHEVER
is more restrictive.
I wish to remind all that ANY station hearing an SOS on 500 kHz -
irrespective of their being licensed or not, may after a suitable
period, respond to the SOS in accordance with ITU rules and that it is
understood that NO commuications is to be permitted by these stations
other than to facilitate the communications with the vessel in
distress. Moreover, if there is a Commercial or Historical station
that is in communications with the vessel in distress, and that
station communicates with any amateur station to stop transmissions,
that station MUST IMMEDIATELY stop all transmissions until such time
if any that the ship is UNABLE to communicate with any Commercial or
Historical Coast Station at which time, they may resume distress
communications and relay. Also that ANY station monitoring 500 kHz
that hears an SOS be required to keep a written (or electronic) log of
the communications and relay that information to their nations - or
other nations Rescue Coordination Center or other Coast Guard point of
contact.
Is this agreeable to ALL?
73
DR
On 6/3/08, WB6TMY <goo...@radions.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Fellow R/O's
>
> In the long ago (very long ago) it was at one time legal for amateur
> stations to work maritime stations.
>
> I am an active ham operator, and I receive much enjoyment from the
> hobby, never the less, as a service, the Amateur Service is a stench
> in my nostrils.
>
> My feelings are these: If an amateur operator wishes to take and pass
> the T-3 Telegraph license, and agrees to be bound by the operating
> requirements of that license, then let them operate in the band 410 -
> 515 KHz using their amateur call. They will need to operate on ship
> frequencies, using equipment that can meet type acceptance
> requirements in the Maritime Service.
>
> If they can show that they are dedicated enough to stand a substantial
> watch, let us say 6 hours a day, then they may be granted a Coast
> Station status and be allowed to operate as a coast station.
>
> There is no reason that pleasure craft cannot operate on MF, they do
> have to use compromise antennas it is true, but they can still put out
> a reasonable signal IMHO.
>
> There are other businesses besides maratime that could benefit from
> MF. In the long ago, licenses were granted to land stations beyond
> the reach of commercial telephone lines. People such as archeologists
> on an expedition come quickly to mind, but I would expect there might
> be others. They might even be in a position to generate paid traffic.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Warren Reese, WB6TMY
> EX - KPH Operator & Technician, 21 years.
> Tel: . . . 707-832-4304
>
>
> >
>
OLIVIER F6DGU
I agree with this proposal.
Best regards
OLIVIER F6DGU
>
> - Afficher le texte des messages précédents -
David Ring
They are covered in my admendment "other government radio stations
where a license is required".
My proposal would limit this to those whose stations employed WT for
communications - at least at some time.
Intercept operators, navy, air force, army, diplomatic corps, MI5,
Bundesnachrichtendienst, Service de Documentation Extérieure et de
Contre-Espionnage, Defense Intelligence Agency, CIA, National Security
Agency, Central Security Service, FEMA, SHARES, MARS, Säkerhetspolisen
(Swedish SAPO), Федера́льная слу́жба безопа́сности (Russian FSB);
Millî İstihbarat Teşkilâtı (Turkish MİT) and others, Internet,
National Police, State and Local Police - any government employment
provided CW was used and a required part of the job. These people
have to have a valid amateur radio license in the country in which
they are operating and 500 kHz operation has to be permitted by the
host country.
73
DR
On 6/4/08, CLIVE COLLINS <dartav...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> This subject is enormous and I am begining to wonder what the lid has been
> taken off !
> Can we assume that operators who were engaged in Diplomatic communications
> on HF stations might be considered for membership.?
> Unless the membership is to be limited to those who, at some time in their
> lives, were responsible for a signal appearing on 500, then that excludes a
> vast number of Diplomatic Service operators who were/are first class
> telegraphists but never touched a key that was connected to 500kc/s.
> Additionally (and I most assuredly dont like to raise this point !) the
> readers and submitters to this list are all of an age when there will start
> to be "vacancies" in their ranks noted. Time creeps upon everyone and it
> doesnt recognise some sort of immunity as far as the members of this
> reflector or ex 500 kcs telegraphists goes.
> The matter I am wondering about is the short term and medium term future
> when there are no RO's left who worked on 500.
> What happens then? What credentials will they have to produce when the magic
> words "Morse Code" and "Telegraphy" have become meaningless to the vast
> majority.? If you are to establish a memorial then out of respect to all
> the RO's and the late Samuel Morse, then I suggest that you should plan for
> the continuance of the organisation as a form of living memorial but do it
> now to keep the memory alive and hopefully not have to explain at some time
> in the future what the words "Radio Telegraphy" actually meant with
> reference to '500'
>
> A final point that might have been forgotten is the leverage that 500 has
> had on exploration
> Few know that Armstrong and his collegues took a 500 kcs transmitter to the
> moon as part of the fittings in the return module. Nothing fancy, no
> microphone, nothing but a transmitter and a key "Just in case" everything
> else failed, they could still communicate, OK not fast but still
> communicate, which in my book is exactly what it is all about. If you want
> some leverage to persuade the administrations, tell them that story, they
> might actually listen even if they have "heard about" Titanic et al and dont
> know what it was etc.
> My apologies for the intrusion with trivia, this suggested memorial is too
> big to ignore.
> All good wishes,
>
> Clive GW3WEQ North Wales Coast UK.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Gregory W.Moore" <gwm...@moorefelines.com> wrote:
> DR DE GW INT QOA INT QSS
>
> I appreciate you adding that to the proposal.. Now, how to verify,
> I would suggest either Training Records (they are very detailed, and
> state basically everything you did while on watch, since even
> operational work is considered training in the USN, down to "copied 2 Hr
> CW bcst fm NSS (or NAA,or NIK, etc.) "Manned MF position #xx for
> (hrs)(mins) handled (x)number of traffic on wrking freq xxxKHz, Ship(s)
> wrkd USNS Mirfak (NZAE) reprovision list, engineering parts req'd list,
> bunkerC (NSFO) requisition msg. etc. etc.) Also the evaluation reports,
> done every 6 mo by the Chief, stating your exact position, your duties
> and responsibilities, type of equipment used, and (not so pertinent) the
> 0.0-4.0 scale of your military and professional performance (there ain't
> no such thing as a 4.0 sailor --hi--). Also, membership in the usual
> societies such as SOWP and VWOA should be counted, for one has to prove
> that you operated W/T from shipboard (for the VWOA) and operated W/T
> professionally from either shipboard, or shore station (SOWP). Copies of
> speed key examinations, and the speed key certificate itself (mine is
> CincLantFlt (CLF-23) could be also used as proof of proficiency.
>
> Just for grins on the list...
> My Speed Key signoff:
> http://www.moorefelines.com/images/speed_key_exam.jpg
>
> My Speed Key Certificate:
> http://www.moorefelines.com/images/speed_key_cert.jpg
>
> That should prove something about my ability as a R/O and
> as a senior PO (these were issued just before I put the RM2 crow
> on.
>
> Hope some of the comments help
>
> 73
> de GW
> WA3IVX/NNN0BVN/NNB3VN
>
>
> R/O David Ring - N1EA wrote:
> > Yes, Greg,
> >
> > I was thinking we also need a way to bring in former military men and
> > women who were 500 kHz operators. Here in the USA they could very
> > easily get a T3 license, but overseas it may not exist.
> >
> > I am all for modifying the proposal to include:
> >
> > Former or present military and those operators who worked for a
> > government station who were not required to hold a ITU license (this
> > means a T1, T2, T3 license) who operated a WT station.
> >
> > Consider it included - we just have to work out a way of verifying it.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > DR
> > years,on land, sea and air, both amateur and professional
> around the clock and around the world. GO NAVY!!!!
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73
DR