Future of seamonkey: support newsgroups

[Nuno Silva]

It seems Seamonkey is moving away from Mozilla infrastructure.

Does anybody know if there will be changes regarding the current support
newsgroups at news.mozilla.org?

(This newsgroup (netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey) is not controlled in
any way by mozilla, is it?)

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[Ant]

This excellent question would had been better to asked in active
mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup, so I crossposted it.
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[Daniel]

Nuno Silva wrote on 12/9/18 9:06 am:

> It seems Seamonkey is moving away from Mozilla infrastructure.
>
> Does anybody know if there will be changes regarding the current support
> newsgroups at news.mozilla.org?

Gee Whiz, Nuno, were you about three years ahead of the rest of us??

> (This newsgroup (netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey) is not controlled in
> any way by mozilla, is it?)
>

The groups do, apparently, appear on the Mozilla Server so, to that
effect, if Mozilla does shut down the Server then yes, those groups will
go away .... but, as the groups are, more or less, reflected on UseNet,
those groups will not go away!!

At least as far as I understand things!!
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[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

You are correct in that assertion, this particular newsgroup is
considered to be "safe". As for the mozilla.* groups, those who seem to
know what they are talking about - frg and Chris Ilias for example - are
saying they will die with the server.

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[Ant]

On 4/20/2021 1:36 AM, Daniel wrote:
> Nuno Silva wrote on 12/9/18 9:06 am:
>> It seems Seamonkey is moving away from Mozilla infrastructure.
>>
>> Does anybody know if there will be changes regarding the current support
>> newsgroups at news.mozilla.org?
>
> Gee Whiz, Nuno, were you about three years ahead of the rest of us??

He's a time traveller. ;)

>> (This newsgroup (netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey) is not controlled in
>> any way by mozilla, is it?)
>>
> The groups do, apparently, appear on the Mozilla Server so, to that
> effect, if Mozilla does shut down the Server then yes, those groups will
> go away .... but, as the groups are, more or less, reflected on UseNet,
> those groups will not go away!!
>
> At least as far as I understand things!!

Long live netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey! We will never forget
Netscape too. :P
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[yamo']

Hi,

Don Spam's Reckless Son a tapoté le 20/04/2021 12:00:

> You are correct in that assertion, this particular newsgroup is
> considered to be "safe". As for the mozilla.* groups, those who seem to
> know what they are talking about - frg and Chris Ilias for example - are
> saying they will die with the server.

I have mozilla.* on my server.

By example (NewsPortal view of a group) :
<http://news2web.pasdenom.info/thread.php?group=mozilla.support.seamonkey>

But it is not present on all usenet servers...

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[Daniel]

yamo' wrote on 5/5/21 7:50 pm:

And, Stephane, have you tried posting to that group on a UseNet server??

As I understand it, the m.s.seamonkey (and similar FF and TB groups) is
a Write-Only version of the group on the news.mozilla.org Server .....
so you can read what has been posted to the group on the
news.mozilla.org server, but you cannot post to the m.s.seaport group on
UseNet.

"As I understand it!!"

[David H Durgee]

Daniel wrote:
> yamo' wrote on 5/5/21 7:50 pm:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Don Spam's Reckless Son a tapoté le 20/04/2021 12:00:
>>> You are correct in that assertion, this particular newsgroup is
>>> considered to be "safe".  As for the mozilla.* groups, those who seem to
>>> know what they are talking about - frg and Chris Ilias for example - are
>>> saying they will die with the server.
>>
>> I have mozilla.* on my server.
>>
>> By example (NewsPortal view of a group) :
>> <http://news2web.pasdenom.info/thread.php?group=mozilla.support.seamonkey>
>>
>>
>> But it is not present on all usenet servers...
>>
> And, Stephane, have you tried posting to that group on a UseNet server??
>
> As I understand it, the m.s.seamonkey (and similar FF and TB groups) is
> a Write-Only version of the group on the news.mozilla.org Server .....
> so you can read what has been posted to the group on the
> news.mozilla.org server, but you cannot post to the m.s.seaport group on
> UseNet.
>
> "As I understand it!!"

Let's test that assumption. I am posting via news.individual.net, so
let's see if this shows up.

Dave

[yamo']

Hi,

David H Durgee a tapoté le 05/05/2021 15:42:

> Let's test that assumption. I am posting via news.individual.net, so
> let's see if this shows up.

I don't have direct feed from individual (I can ask one).
If servers between mine and individual drops my post it won't go to
individual server.
It's the same in the way individual->usenet->myserver
(Look at the Path header).

I receive all mozilla.* posts from neva.ru which have a direct feed from
google.

I have a trouble with neva.ru ; I will ask to his newsmaster to fix the
feed in the other direction (I receive but after my ip change in
December I cannot send...).

And there is other things that may bug :
<http://news2web.pasdenom.info/article.php?id=42336&group=mozilla.support.seamonkey#42336>
(If my ISP is working...).

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[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Daniel wrote:
> yamo' wrote on 5/5/21 7:50 pm:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Don Spam's Reckless Son a tapoté le 20/04/2021 12:00:
>>> You are correct in that assertion, this particular newsgroup is
>>> considered to be "safe".  As for the mozilla.* groups, those who seem to
>>> know what they are talking about - frg and Chris Ilias for example - are
>>> saying they will die with the server.
>>
>> I have mozilla.* on my server.
>>
>> By example (NewsPortal view of a group) :
>> <http://news2web.pasdenom.info/thread.php?group=mozilla.support.seamonkey>
>>
>>
>> But it is not present on all usenet servers...
>>
> And, Stephane, have you tried posting to that group on a UseNet server??
>
> As I understand it, the m.s.seamonkey (and similar FF and TB groups) is
> a Write-Only version of the group on the news.mozilla.org Server .....
> so you can read what has been posted to the group on the
> news.mozilla.org server, but you cannot post to the m.s.seaport group on
> UseNet.
>
> "As I understand it!!"

I have written this several times already, but here goes:

Most of the groups you see on the Mozilla News server are read-only if
you access them via other News servers, these are the groups which will
presumably vanish when the server is decomissioned.

This does not apply to the Netscape.* groups *such as this one*, they
are writeable from other servers and will presumably live on after this
server dies.

[yamo']

Hi,

Don Spam's Reckless Son a tapoté le 05/05/2021 16:23:

> This does not apply to the Netscape.* groups *such as this one*, they
> are writeable from other servers and will presumably live on after this
> server dies.

I asked to the newsmaster of neva.ru to open mozilla.*
It is a very big server**. It may be an alternative to google and
mozilla.org (hosted by giganews).

If some servers did that mozilla.* won't totally die...
You can ask to your newsmaster which mail is often newsmaster@domain or
in headers from your posts***.

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[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

I don't think that is going to work, the mozilla.* groups "belong to"
Mozilla and the most neva.ru can do is offer you read-only access to
them. It is not worth it.

[yamo']

Don Spam's Reckless Son a tapoté le 05/05/2021 16:54:

> I don't think that is going to work, the mozilla.* groups "belong to"
> Mozilla and the most neva.ru can do is offer you read-only access to
> them. It is not worth it.

usenet is an anarchy, nobody paid any hierarchies. It is only working
because servers exchange posts each others.

But if google reject posts from outside there will never be on the
spammed googlegroups.



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[Daniel]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 6/5/21 12:23 am:

Yeap! This is what I meant by my reply!! The mozilla.support groups are
two way groups (i.e. you can read from them *AND* post to them) on the
news.mozilla.org server but are READ ONLY on some UseNet servers.

> This does not apply to the Netscape.* groups *such as this one*, they
> are writeable from other servers and will presumably live on after this
> server dies.
> --

[Daniel65]

David H Durgee wrote on 5/5/21 11:42 pm:

Yes, but this was not posted to m.s.seamonkey on your
news.individual.net news server was it, David?? ;-(
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[David H Durgee]

Yes, I posted it to m.s.seamonkey on news.individual.net and it appears
to have propagated over USENET so that you could respond to it and I am
likewise responding to you via the same route.

So it appears as if this group is functioning normally at least for now.

Dave

[Daniel]

David H Durgee wrote on 6/5/21 9:55 pm:

But this group is not the group under discussion.

This post of mine (and yours, too, I think) was to n.p.m.seamonkey (not
m.s.seamonkey), which is a two-way group on UseNet AND on news.mozilla.org.

However m.s.seamonkey is a one way thing, i.e. you can ONLY READ it on
UseNet but you can POST and READ to it on the news.mozilla.org server.

At least for now and as far as I know!

[David H Durgee]

You are correct, I am posting to n.p.m.seamonkey on this thread. So I
guess this thread is cross-posted to m.s.seamonkey in some manner?

This does suggest that assuming m.s.seamonkey goes away that posting to
n.p.m.seamonkey or a.c.s.seamonkey should serve for many of us.

Dave

[Daniel]

David H Durgee wrote on 8/5/21 6:08 am:

Correct!!

[Richmond]

Is it? I don't see any cross posting.

[Daniel]

Richmond wrote on 8/5/21 9:53 pm:

Sorry, Richmond! You are correct, David thought he was cross-posting,
but he wasn't. It was just that this group, n.p.m.seamonkey, appears on
both the news.mozilla.org server *AND* various UseNet servers whereas
the m.s.seamonkey news group *only* appears on the news.moz.org server!

My "Correct" was in regard to David's second para about after
m.s.seamonkey closes, the other two UseNet newsgroups might, at least in
part, fill the hole left.