Present: gerv, myk, seth, asa, chofmann, scc.
(mitchell, blizzard, brendan on vacation.)
- mscott and chofmann hired last Monday.
- Not 501c3 yet
- We chose meer.net for colo for the new servers.
*1.5 beta update*
- One bug outstanding (GDI issue)
- After release, about two more weeks on the trunk
- Branch for final with 5-12 bugs left.
- Not scheduled to branch until August 29th.
*Mozilla Firebird 0.7 update*
- There is a list of things that need to be implemented to get it to
replace Seamonkey. See Bugzilla targetted bugs.
- scott has been working on adding Send Page/Send Link etc.
- Toolkit forking/reorg is 95% done (pierre chianal).
- 0.7 from the 1.5 final branch.
*Thunderbird 0.2 update*
- Thunderbird 0.2 in a couple of weeks, max.
- mscott is raring to go.
- There is some effort to sync up the releases of FB and TB.
- We want to keep this going.
- We still have access to current reports.
- There isn't yet an open-source alternative. :-(
*New test matrix*
- Asa is working on a test matrix for shipping milestones.
- Currently 3 sets of docs - smoketest list, test plans, test cases.
- He is building a new master list of all tests.
- Eventually there'll be an automated tool.
*1.4 branch (1.4.1)*
- 1.4's focus is the fix for Windows installer crashes, and the GDI
- Windows installer crashes are fixed on the branch.
- GDI thing fixed, maybe - still looking into this.
- We've also taken other fixes meantime.
- Also making changes to make 1.5 more user-friendly (e.g. search
> - We want to keep this going.
> - We still have access to current reports.
> - There isn't yet an open-source alternative. :-(
Some searching yielded the following open source possibilities:
Brant Langer Gurganus
> Gervase Markham wrote:
>> - We want to keep this going.
>> - We still have access to current reports.
>> - There isn't yet an open-source alternative. :-(
> Some searching yielded the following open source possibilities:
I also found another possibility in vRoach. I sent the details of that
Openoffice's crash reporter or gnome's bugbuddy seem like more viable alternatives.
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http://www4.ncsu.edu/~ajschult/ | They are however, correct.
At least gnome's bug-buddy requires shipping binaries with symbols, that
would increase the download size a lot.
> At least gnome's bug-buddy requires shipping binaries with symbols, that
> would increase the download size a lot.
Shipping with symbols is power user-friendly. It makes it easier to
figure out what went wrong. The OS X builds already ship with symbols.
Yes, I know. But it increases the download size. As I recently read in a
bug comment, all the footprint effort is mostly for reducing the
firebird download size. Under that light, I doubt that an increase in
size will be accepted.
I don't think that this is the only reason. Footprint reduction, be it
code footprint, memory footprint or disk footprint is always a viable
goal, because it makes the code more manageable (code footprint
reduction) and enables Mozilla to run better on older or embedded
systems (disk and memory footprint reduction). So I believe, that the
efforts for footprint reduction would have been taken with or without
the existence of firebird.
Aufgrund der aktuellen wirtschaftlichen Situation ist diese
Stelle zur Zeit leider nicht besetzt.
I didn't say it was the only one.
Anyway, my main point was: If one goal is to reduce firebird dl size,
putting symbols in won't help.
And you're not talking a couple of megs here. It would be a sizable
increase, even zipped.
Sure you could provide an alternate build that people could choose to
download, but I think that would substantially reduce the number of
people providing crash data.
Mozilla with symbols build, zipped with maximum compression :
Mozilla optimized without symbols :
Please delete everything between "matti" and the "@" in my mail address.
note that there are actually three levels that are relevant (at least on Linux,
not sure about Windows): stripped, unstripped, and with full symbols.
unstripped has basic stuff (function names), but no variables. unstripped is
generally not so big.
blizzard's RPMs used to be unstripped.