2005-04-04 - Summary of mozilla.org staff meeting
Gervase Markham
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Present: bienvenu, josh, hecker, gerv, marcia, mscott, mitchell,
brendan, cbeard, myk, jay, rafael, dbaron, sarah, asa, chase, chofmann,
justdave.
*Firefox 1.0.3*
- Process started on Friday
- Two issues found; we had to respin for one of them
- Bryner fixed the Add/Remove Programs uninstall issue
- Found a regression Friday; more respins Saturday
- Trimmed down jst's drag-and-drop patch to avoid regressions
- More respins to come this afternoon, for more community testing
- With good feedback, tomorrow evening
*Mozilla Suite 1.7.7*
- Tied in with Firefox 1.0.3 process
*Thunderbird 1.0.3*
- No 1.0.3 because security issues are in JS which is not enabled by
default
- No l10n in CVS so much harder work to do Thunderbird releases
*Firefox/Thunderbird 1.1*
- Freeze tomorrow night at midnight for 1.1 alpha (FF and TB) == Gecko
1.8b2 (need to sort out naming)
- Want to ship in a week to ten days
- Need to get the messaging right; don't upgrade to this from 1.0
- Beta five weeks after that
- We have tinderboxen for all 34 Firefox source localisations.
- 31 build, 3 are broken.
- Thunderbird source l10n should be working by second beta
*Seamonkey Transition*
- They want to do a release around the same time as FF 1.1 alpha
- Seamonkey 1.0 alpha will be a trunk release, not a branch release
*New Newsgroups*
- Gerv to do another request for volunteers
*Visit to OSU*
- Chase and Dave visited OSU last week
- Met with the LUG on Friday evening for two and a half hours
- Dave talked about Bugzilla
- Chase talked about the release process for 1.0.3
*SpreadFirefox*
- Next big project for SpreadFirefox launches tomorrow night
- Relaunch of download counter
- Lots of ancillary tools - feeds, blog plugins etc.
Gerv
me at work
Asa Dotzler
> What's the big SFX project?
>
counter syndication.
- A
Henrik Lynggaard
> *Thunderbird 1.0.3*
>
> - No 1.0.3 because security issues are in JS which is not enabled by
> default
Does this mean that I can (accidently) enable something in Thunderbird
and I am then vulnable ?
Thats a scary thought !!!
Best regards
henrik
Peter Lairo
> 2005-04-04 - Summary of mozilla.org staff meeting
> -------------------------------------------------
>
>
> - Need to get the messaging right; don't upgrade to this from 1.0
So users *must* uninstall 1.0 before installing 1.1?
If so, I suspect many will just install right over 1.0 anyhow, and, if
things break badly, (rightfully) claim that 1.1 is broken.
I fear i might have misunderstood the blurb completely. :-\
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Regards,
Peter Lairo
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Christian Mattar
> Gervase Markham said on 08.04.2005 00:00:
>
>> 2005-04-04 - Summary of mozilla.org staff meeting
>> -------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *Firefox/Thunderbird 1.1*
>>
>> - Need to get the messaging right; don't upgrade to this from 1.0
>
>
> So users *must* uninstall 1.0 before installing 1.1?
>
> If so, I suspect many will just install right over 1.0 anyhow, and, if
> things break badly, (rightfully) claim that 1.1 is broken.
>
> I fear i might have misunderstood the blurb completely. :-\
I guess they shouldn't upgrade because it's an alpha version, not a final.
Christian
Chris Ilias
> Gervase Markham said on 08.04.2005 00:00:
>
>>2005-04-04 - Summary of mozilla.org staff meeting
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>
>>*Firefox/Thunderbird 1.1*
>>
>>- Need to get the messaging right; don't upgrade to this from 1.0
>
> So users *must* uninstall 1.0 before installing 1.1?
>
> If so, I suspect many will just install right over 1.0 anyhow, and, if
> things break badly, (rightfully) claim that 1.1 is broken.
>
> I fear i might have misunderstood the blurb completely. :-\
I think what that means is mozilla.org must not give the impression that
1.0 user must upgrade to 1.1a, meaning it's not for end-users. (a
developer release)
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ should still direct users to
the latest 1.0.x release.
--
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Email - 2005...@ilias.ca
Netscape/Mozilla Links <http://ilias.ca>
Mozilla Help <http://ilias.ca/mozilla/>
Tim Fry
>From reading Asa's blog post today about the road map for 1.1, they are
going to call this alpha version "Deer Park Developer Preview" so that
no non-testers download and use it. They hope to not confuse the
population as they move forward with a non-tested release. For more
info check out: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/
Peter Lairo
> _Peter Lairo_ spoke thusly:
>
>>Gervase Markham said on 08.04.2005 00:00:
>>
>>
>>>2005-04-04 - Summary of mozilla.org staff meeting
>>>-------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>*Firefox/Thunderbird 1.1*
>>>
>>>- Need to get the messaging right; don't upgrade to this from 1.0
>>
>>So users *must* uninstall 1.0 before installing 1.1?
>>
>>If so, I suspect many will just install right over 1.0 anyhow, and, if
>>things break badly, (rightfully) claim that 1.1 is broken.
>>
>>I fear i might have misunderstood the blurb completely. :-\
>
>
> I think what that means is mozilla.org must not give the impression that
> 1.0 user must upgrade to 1.1a, meaning it's not for end-users. (a
> developer release)
> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ should still direct users to
> the latest 1.0.x release.
Oh, so then:
"don't upgrade to this from 1.0"
was a subset of:
"Freeze tomorrow night at midnight for 1.1 alpha",
and not a *direct* subset of the title:
"Firefox/Thunderbird 1.1" (1.1, not 1.1a)
as the bulleting structure (indentation) would indicate.
Sometimes i don't see the forest for the trees. Sorry.
Michael Lefevre
> Chris Ilias said on 08.04.2005 23:15:
misinterpretation]
>>
>> I think what that means is mozilla.org must not give the impression that
>> 1.0 user must upgrade to 1.1a, meaning it's not for end-users. (a
>> developer release)
>> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ should still direct users to
>> the latest 1.0.x release.
>
> Oh, so then:
> "don't upgrade to this from 1.0"
> was a subset of:
> "Freeze tomorrow night at midnight for 1.1 alpha",
> and not a *direct* subset of the title:
> "Firefox/Thunderbird 1.1" (1.1, not 1.1a)
> as the bulleting structure (indentation) would indicate.
More or less - I wouldn't say it was a subset, more of a continuation of
the discussion of the previous points.
> Sometimes i don't see the forest for the trees. Sorry.
Actually I think the problem that you're looking at a couple of trees and
trying to understand the forest. :)
At this point, the discussion is naturally going to be about the progress
towards 1.1, rather than the 1.1. release itself. You have to remember
that you're reading the minutes of a meeting (and the context and timing
of the meeting), rather than some kind of formal report or planning
document - the bullets within each discussion item often follow from each
other.
--
Michael
Gervase Markham
> Oh, so then:
> "don't upgrade to this from 1.0"
> was a subset of:
> "Freeze tomorrow night at midnight for 1.1 alpha",
> and not a *direct* subset of the title:
> "Firefox/Thunderbird 1.1" (1.1, not 1.1a)
> as the bulleting structure (indentation) would indicate.
You are correct; sorry it wasn't more clear.
When 1.1 final comes out, we will be encouraging everyone to upgrade :-)
Gerv