Thunderbird 0.8 thoughts and questions

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Zoltan

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Nov 12, 2004, 4:43:08 AM11/12/04
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Here it goes, after using Thunderbird from version 0.6 on MacOS X, here
are some of my opinions and questions. Don't take them to seriously,
some of them are very subjective and i'm sure some of them are already
been discussed but i would love to hear your thoughts or workarounds.


1. I miss the keyboard support for viewing the news threads.
F.e. i would love to have shortcuts like Cmd-1 for 'view all', Cmd-2 for
'view unread', Cmd-3 for 'view threads with unread' etc...


2. I find the navigation keyboard shortcuts clumsy.
F,N,T,B,P... well, it's not my cup of tea - the keys are spread away and
i find it very hard to use it only by one hand.

I will relate to an off-line newsreader for Macintosh: MacSOUP. All of
the navigation through news messages and threads can be done on the
numeric part of the keyboard.


3. There's a nice, old feature back from BBS days where packet size of
posts was an issue and people did take care about quoting - you could
select with the mouse the part of the message you would like to quote in
your reply.

Thus, you don't have to mess with deleting it in your reply window. IMO,
it would be very handy to have this ability especially now when posts
with several quote levels are very often.


4. Smileys, irritant backgrouds, animated gifs and to small fonts...
hell, sometimes i hate HTML mails. But, finaly we can create decent
tables and use font attributes in a normal way. There's also one more
thing that i find very, very nice - quoted text can be different color
(lets say dark grey) than the reply text (dark blue).

I know about the 'Configure default HTML options' but is there a way to
set the default color for quoted and normal text in Thunderbird? For
this feature, i would dare to take a look into one of the horrifying
confguration files. ;-)


5. And there's one more thing... ;-)
... three pane window sucks big time for news reading. Mail and News are
two completely different things and while i find the three pane window
fairly good for mails to often switch between different mailboxes, i
think it's very, very unconvenient to watch all of the threads and posts
through a tiny part of the window.

I'm aware about the vertical view but (there's always a but!) this view
takes to much space and it shouldn't be that way. So, how about this
solution: a shortcut (use one of the function keys) for view switching
from three pane windown to a vertical two pane window (one pane for all
the postings, one pane for the message). People who know the layout of
MacSOUP will know for sure what i'm talking about.

Wanda Fish

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Nov 12, 2004, 5:46:34 AM11/12/04
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Mod Parent UP (+1, Darn Good Idea)

Zoltan

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Nov 12, 2004, 7:07:29 AM11/12/04
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Zoltan wrote:

Uops... i'm relating to Thunderbird ver. 0.9. :-)

Michael J Gruber

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Nov 12, 2004, 8:59:18 AM11/12/04
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Zoltan venit, vidit, dixit 11/12/04 10:43:

> 3. There's a nice, old feature back from BBS days where packet size of
> posts was an issue and people did take care about quoting - you could
> select with the mouse the part of the message you would like to quote in
> your reply.
>
> Thus, you don't have to mess with deleting it in your reply window. IMO,
> it would be very handy to have this ability especially now when posts
> with several quote levels are very often.

You could you use CTRL+C to copy and then paste as quotation (CTRL+SHIFT+V).
For dealing with the display of heavily quote-packed mails/news, I
recommend the quotecollapse extension (http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org).
Of course, it would be even better if you could just select and hit reply.

> I know about the 'Configure default HTML options' but is there a way to
> set the default color for quoted and normal text in Thunderbird? For
> this feature, i would dare to take a look into one of the horrifying
> confguration files. ;-)

Of course you could edit your rdfs, but the quotecolors extension
(http://quotecolors.mozdev.org) dies this for you.

Michael

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use...@isbd.co.uk

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Nov 12, 2004, 9:12:12 AM11/12/04
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> Zoltan wrote:
> > 4. Smileys, irritant backgrouds, animated gifs and to small fonts...
> > hell, sometimes i hate HTML mails. But, finaly we can create decent
> > tables and use font attributes in a normal way. There's also one more
> > thing that i find very, very nice - quoted text can be different color
> > (lets say dark grey) than the reply text (dark blue).
> >

I've had different coloured text available for different parts of the
mail message for *years* in mutt - a console/text based MUA.

--
Chris Green

NM Public

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Nov 12, 2004, 9:33:29 AM11/12/04
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On 12 Nov 2004 Zoltan (ma...@vastag.REMOVE.com) wrote:
>
> ... three pane window sucks big time for news reading.
>
> I'm aware about the vertical view but (there's always a but!) this view takes
> to much space and it shouldn't be that way. So, how about this solution: a
> shortcut (use one of the function keys) for view switching from three pane
> windown to a vertical two pane window (one pane for all the postings, one
> pane for the message). People who know the layout of MacSOUP will know for
> sure what i'm talking about.

Yes, this is the main reason I don't use Thunderbird more. I know
about F8 for toggling the message pane, but I want a key command
to toggle the newgroup pane -- is there such a command? Or an
extension that provides that?

Thanks,
NM

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Zoltan

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Nov 12, 2004, 9:48:24 AM11/12/04
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Michael J Gruber wrote:

>> I know about the 'Configure default HTML options' but is there a way
>> to set the default color for quoted and normal text in Thunderbird?
>> For this feature, i would dare to take a look into one of the
>> horrifying confguration files. ;-)
>
>
> Of course you could edit your rdfs, but the quotecolors extension
> (http://quotecolors.mozdev.org) dies this for you.

AFAIR, this extension doesn't change the quote colors in replies. Or?

Zoltan

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Nov 12, 2004, 9:59:31 AM11/12/04
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use...@isbd.co.uk wrote:

Well, it's not about _viewing_ an mail, it's about sending the mail in
HTML format.

I would love to be able to set a HTML color code for the reply text and
for the quoted text so the receiver gets a nice mail.

Martin Bagge / brother

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Nov 12, 2004, 10:01:03 AM11/12/04
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Zoltan wrote:
>> Of course you could edit your rdfs, but the quotecolors extension
>> (http://quotecolors.mozdev.org) dies this for you.
>
> AFAIR, this extension doesn't change the quote colors in replies. Or?

No it is for your pleasure only. And frankly I can't see why you should
push your way of viewing emails on to another person (suck my...
htmlmailers!).

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/Martin Bagge
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Zoltan

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Nov 12, 2004, 10:59:02 AM11/12/04
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Martin Bagge / brother wrote:

> And frankly I can't see why you should
> push your way of viewing emails on to another person (suck my...
> htmlmailers!).

Now there's an argument that solves that issue.
Thanx. :-)

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