The future of MozillaTranslator.

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Henrik Lynggaard

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Apr 5, 2004, 7:55:35 PM4/5/04
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HI all

I know it has been ages since I have been active on
MozillaTranslator,and for that there is various reasons. I could go into
the reasons, but it will sufice to say that I realized I no longer have
the time to actively maintain MozillaTranslator.

But this is NOT a announcement that MozillaTranslator will die!! This
announcement is here to say that MozillaTranslator is alive and being
developed on.
It is however not mainly by me anymore.
As of today, i have stepped down as project lead, so that more active
people can keep this project alive. Since MT is my first open source
project I'm not sure on what the correct procedures are in a case like
this (even though i read ESR book), so I have just decided to do things
my way.

I have talked it over with Serhiy Brytskyy who is one of my regular
contributer, and one of the few who had write access to the code.He has
agreed to take over as project lead and as such he is the one that
patches should be submitted to etc. Along with the change in leadership
there is also other ideas for changes.

If this is not the right way, and there are other people who strongly
believe they would be better leaders of the project, both I and Serhiy
is open to reasonable arguments.

So what does this mean in practice

* The project leader is now Serhiy Brytskyy (email: ura...@ukr.net).

* I will still be around helping Serhiy out with questions and such, but
you should still use him as main contact and he will pass it on if need be

* i might also have some ideas for the future (6.x code), but if they
are used is entirrely up to serhiy.

* ANYONE who want to contribute with code and patches, should get an
sourceforge account, so that you can have write access to the code. Both
Serhiy and I is very happy to revcieve patches.. Let us work together
instead of having specialized versions out

* We are reconsidering the role of the website
www.mozillatranslator.org. Given mozilla.org's new focus on the
end-users we are contemplating moving the hosting of end-user xpi packs
to mozilla.org. This is to ensure that end-users only need to go one
place to get what they need. As far as we are concerned this is okay
since most of not all uploaded xpi's were for mozilla.org based
products, The idea is that translations of extensions should be hosted
alongside the extensions, whereever that is.

If we go by that idea there isn't much left of the original site and it
might be best to move the download and documentation of the program to
either mozilla.org or sourceforge.

Any comments on these ideas are greatly welcomed, please post them in
the n.p.m.l10n newsgroup for all to enjoy.

I think this has covered most of it, comment, thoughts, questions,
please oplace then in the newsgroup n.p.m.l10n

Best regards
Henrik Lynggaard

Gunner Poulsen

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Apr 5, 2004, 8:09:17 PM4/5/04
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Henrik Lynggaard skrev:

> HI all
>
> I know it has been ages since I have been active on
> MozillaTranslator,and for that there is various reasons. I could go into
> the reasons, but it will sufice to say that I realized I no longer have
> the time to actively maintain MozillaTranslator.

You have done well!


> If we go by that idea there isn't much left of the original site and it
> might be best to move the download and documentation of the program to
> either mozilla.org or sourceforge.

I thik it is right to leave the download og .xpi to mozilla.org, but I
think you should leave mozillatranslator.org as the download- and
documentation-site of the program. You could make it a frontend to the
sourceforge-page like http://partimage.org/ is.

Gunner Poulsen.
Denmark.

KaiRo - Robert Kaiser

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Apr 6, 2004, 1:23:48 PM4/6/04
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> * ANYONE who want to contribute with code and patches, should get an
> sourceforge account, so that you can have write access to the code. Both
> Serhiy and I is very happy to revcieve patches.. Let us work together
> instead of having specialized versions out

I'd be quite happy to step in and provide things regarding structure of
MT-produced XPIs (install.js and so on), as I believe that my scripts
from the German localization are a good base to build upon.

I also have ideas of what to make better, so I'd be happy to bring them
into the discussion as soon as there is some movement visible again.

My questions:
1) Why isn't the MT project hosted on mozdev? It would be a "nearer"
place to find for Mozilla people.

2) Will bugzilla.mozilla.org still be used for bug management, or should
bug/RFE reporting go over to sf.net? Is there some newsgroup/mailing
list for talk about MT? Or should it happen in here (n.p.m.l10n)?

I hope to see a nice application to get even better in the future.

Greetings,

Robert Kaiser

Henrik Lynggaard

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Apr 6, 2004, 2:25:17 PM4/6/04
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KaiRo - Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> * ANYONE who want to contribute with code and patches, should get an
>> sourceforge account, so that you can have write access to the code.
>> Both Serhiy and I is very happy to revcieve patches.. Let us work
>> together instead of having specialized versions out
>
>
> I'd be quite happy to step in and provide things regarding structure of
> MT-produced XPIs (install.js and so on), as I believe that my scripts
> from the German localization are a good base to build upon.

I know you have contributed some xpi changes in the past, please keep up
the good work. Just send them to serhiy or better yet get a sf.net
accout ;-)


> I also have ideas of what to make better, so I'd be happy to bring them
> into the discussion as soon as there is some movement visible again.
>
> My questions:
> 1) Why isn't the MT project hosted on mozdev? It would be a "nearer"
> place to find for Mozilla people.

Mozdev did not exist when I started on MozillaTranslator, at least not
in any form close to what we have today. Hence I placed it on
sourceforge.net

It has not been moved for simple pragmatic reasons. sf.net provides all
I/we needed and more so, so why "bother" moving ?


>
> 2) Will bugzilla.mozilla.org still be used for bug management, or should
> bug/RFE reporting go over to sf.net? Is there some newsgroup/mailing
> list for talk about MT? Or should it happen in here (n.p.m.l10n)?

Although we haven't debated it I don't think either me nor Serhiey has
any plans for big changes like that. So until there is someone else
saying so, then bugs should still go in bugzilla, and this newsgroup is
still the main forum for the project.

There is a developer only forum on sf.net, but this is mainly for
code-talk and internals. It has not been widely used, mostly just me and
serhiy talking patches.

Best regargs
Henrik

Axel Hecht

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Apr 6, 2004, 4:27:26 PM4/6/04
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Henrik Lynggaard wrote:
> KaiRo - Robert Kaiser wrote:
>
<...>

>>
>> 2) Will bugzilla.mozilla.org still be used for bug management, or
>> should bug/RFE reporting go over to sf.net? Is there some
>> newsgroup/mailing list for talk about MT? Or should it happen in here
>> (n.p.m.l10n)?
>
>
> Although we haven't debated it I don't think either me nor Serhiey has
> any plans for big changes like that. So until there is someone else
> saying so, then bugs should still go in bugzilla, and this newsgroup is
> still the main forum for the project.

bug reporting over at sf is not done by bugzilla, but some pretty lame
cruft. So I can only suggest that you keep bugzilla.

Axel

KaiRo - Robert Kaiser

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Apr 6, 2004, 9:37:43 PM4/6/04
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> I know you have contributed some xpi changes in the past, please keep up
> the good work. Just send them to serhiy or better yet get a sf.net
> accout ;-)

You, mean, the "kairo" I already have on sf.net? ;-)
http://sourceforge.net/users/kairo/

Robert Kaiser

Tsahi Asher

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Apr 6, 2004, 6:38:47 AM4/6/04
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..... Gunner Poulsen:

> Henrik Lynggaard skrev:
>

>
>> If we go by that idea there isn't much left of the original site and
>> it might be best to move the download and documentation of the program
>> to either mozilla.org or sourceforge.
>
>

> I think it is right to leave the download og .xpi to mozilla.org, but I

> think you should leave mozillatranslator.org as the download- and
> documentation-site of the program. You could make it a frontend to the
> sourceforge-page like http://partimage.org/ is.
>
> Gunner Poulsen.
> Denmark.

i agree. the program needs a download and documentation page, contact
info, etc.

--
Tsahi Asher
Hebrew L10n Team
http://www.mozilla.org.il

Serhiy Brytskyy

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Apr 7, 2004, 6:34:56 AM4/7/04
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Hi all,

Henrik Lynggaard wrote:
> KaiRo - Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> My questions:
>> 1) Why isn't the MT project hosted on mozdev? It would be a "nearer"
>> place to find for Mozilla people.
>
>
> Mozdev did not exist when I started on MozillaTranslator, at least not
> in any form close to what we have today. Hence I placed it on
> sourceforge.net
>
> It has not been moved for simple pragmatic reasons. sf.net provides all
> I/we needed and more so, so why "bother" moving ?
>

I think it would be fine, if I investigate possibilities of mozdev
project inside. What mozdev can propose, is it easier to maintain, then
sf etc. If they have serious advantages, it could be reason to move. In
other case, I don't see any point to move to mozdev, except, maybe,
place where new anounces/releases may be placed to.

Zbigniew Braniecki

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Apr 7, 2004, 6:30:58 PM4/7/04
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Henrik Lynggaard wrote:
> HI all
>
> I know it has been ages since I have been active on
> MozillaTranslator,and for that there is various reasons. I could go into
> the reasons, but it will sufice to say that I realized I no longer have
> the time to actively maintain MozillaTranslator.
>
> But this is NOT a announcement that MozillaTranslator will die!!

That's great news!
Until that day, project was frozen for very long time. A week ago I
started developing alternate for Mozilla Translator as a Gecko extension.

I want it to not only help in translating but also be a tool for people
creating extensions to manage ./locale content. At now I have most job
for this done, and I'm starting the work over managing translations.
If anyone is interested in, i'd love to see helpfull hands :)
Up to now i found only one big problem. Mozilla has low support for
zip/unzip stuff. I will have to workaround it somehow.

At all, sorry for sticking to subject, but thought that someone might be
interested.

Greetings
Zbigniew Braniecki
--

Firefox.pl (http://www.firefox.pl)

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