Thunderbird 1.0.5 localizations
Asa Dotzler
which is going to require that we replace 1.0.5 with a new release. Please hold
off on doing any further localizations until we have the new release ready to
go. If all goes well, this should be on Monday.
- A
HANSEN
> Please hold off on doing any further localizations until we
> have the new release ready to go.
How about skipping it for the upcoming 1.1 :)
Just give the word and we're off on the 1.0.5 again.
-hansen
Marek Stepien
> We've run into an issue where an API change was introduced into the
> 1.0.5 builds which is going to require that we replace 1.0.5 with a new
> release.
Is this also the reason why the Firefox 1.0.5 localized builds aren't
released yet?
--
Marek Stepien <marcoos at aviary dot pl>
http://www.firefox.pl/
Pavel Cvrcek
Nice joke... again. Especially for all our users which waiting for a new
localised version of Mozilla Thunderbird. Mozilla Firefox 1.0.5... same
problem? No new informations here.
This looks like that Mozilla Foundation has new motto:
"We will hide problems"
This isn't first-time. What QA?
Regards,
Pavel Cvrcek
Gervase Markham
> Nice joke... again. Especially for all our users which waiting for a new
> localised version of Mozilla Thunderbird. Mozilla Firefox 1.0.5... same
> problem? No new informations here.
I don't quite see what the problem is. What more information is
necessary? Asa posted that message to save all the localisers from doing
a load of unnecessary work. Why is this bad?
Gerv
Marek Stepien
> I don't quite see what the problem is. What more information is
> necessary? Asa posted that message to save all the localisers from doing
> a load of unnecessary work. Why is this bad?
The problem isn't about the fact that he posted the information.
The problem is we (the l10n teams) are getting no real information from
you (you=Mozilla.org) about what's happening. "Something's wrong, don't
localize". OK. But the people are asking us, the l10n teams about why
there are no localized versions. And when we say to those people
"Mozilla.org has some problems" it's a silly response, because it's not
a response at all.
What more information is necessary? See my post below. Or read bug
300028 comments from 33 to the end.
Pavel Cvrcek
> I don't quite see what the problem is. What more information is
> necessary? Asa posted that message to save all the localisers from doing
> a load of unnecessary work. Why is this bad?
There is no oficial information for users yet! Why? Users are
downloading bad release and they don't know that something is wrong. Why
do you hide problems?
L10n teams haven't got enough information about situation (now it's
better then yesterday but...) and they don't know what say users, press
etc. I read some bad articles in on-line magazines yesterday. This isn't
good for propagation of FF and THB.
Look like bad days for Mozilla....
Regards,
Pavel Cvrcek
Rafael Ebron
First off you guys are mozilla.org there's no us and them. We are all
in this together.
Some more information:
* We are looking at doing a Firefox 1.0.6 and Thunderbird 1.0.6
* There were some API changes that affected distributors and
extension developers.
* This release will address those changes.
Please check the Mozilla QA blog as we'll post more information there as
they come available.
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/qa/
Information about the Firefox 1.0.6 and Thunderbird 1.0.6 builds will be
up there.
Also, we're looking into the issue of simultaneous release. We did that
for Firefox 1.0, we haven't done simultaneous releases since then
(because it's hard to do!). We'll revisit the issue considering 1.0.5
and also how we can do better with Firefox 1.1.
-Rafael
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none
> Pavel, Marek, all,
>
> First off you guys are mozilla.org there's no us and them. We are all
> in this together. Some more information:
>
> * We are looking at doing a Firefox 1.0.6 and Thunderbird 1.0.6
> * There were some API changes that affected distributors and
> extension developers.
> * This release will address those changes.
> Please check the Mozilla QA blog as we'll post more information there as
> they come available.
> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/qa/
>
> Information about the Firefox 1.0.6 and Thunderbird 1.0.6 builds will be
> up there.
>
> Also, we're looking into the issue of simultaneous release. We did that
> for Firefox 1.0, we haven't done simultaneous releases since then
> (because it's hard to do!). We'll revisit the issue considering 1.0.5
> and also how we can do better with Firefox 1.1.
> -Rafael
>
Rafael, why don't you send to Mozilla Europe's internal list a message
when you run into problems such as this one or simply when you make a
release ?
So as to know when I have to update our pages I have to watch changes on
ftp servers and spy on all mozilla blogs often during the night because
of the hour difference between the US and Europe, not really convenient.
It would spare us a lot of time and frustration if you could just send a
message to one of our internal lists when there are releases and/or
problems with releases.
Thanks
Pascal
Pavel Cvrcek
> First off you guys are mozilla.org there's no us and them. We are all
> in this together. Some more information:
>
> * We are looking at doing a Firefox 1.0.6 and Thunderbird 1.0.6
> * There were some API changes that affected distributors and
> extension developers.
> * This release will address those changes.
Thanks. Better late than never. Please next give enough oficial
information in time. We can publish it on our local website and say it
to users, press etc.
> there's no us and them
Maybe but one thing is what MoFo says and second, what MoFo does. Very
demotivative for us.
Regards,
Pavel Cvrcek
Дамјан Георгиевски
> in this together.
That's not the feeling I have and it seems (based on posts here) there are
other people that feel the same.
I can only hope things will become better and lets hope a revolution will
not be needed.
--
дамјан
To boldly go where I surely don't belong.
Gervase Markham
> Look like bad days for Mozilla....
Well, of course it's not a good day. We messed up a release :-(
Gerv
Michael Lefevre
That, as I see it, was the first problem. The other problem was the
confused communication - security advisories were published with
references to releases that didn't exist at the time of publication and
then rather than announcing the problem when the decision to cancel the
Suite and localised releases was made, bits of information appeared in
various places over the course of a couple of days.
--
Michael
Ville Pohjanheimo
> Pavel, Marek, all,
>
> First off you guys are mozilla.org there's no us and them. We are all
> in this together. Some more information:
Glad to hear this... but I can't resist noting that it would also be nice to
be part of the need-to-know group in matters like these. (I'm assuming
somebody was in the loop of knowing what's up with the release etc. which
might not be true). Fortunately this mess up has happened during the summer,
when few people care.
> ...
> Also, we're looking into the issue of simultaneous release. We did that
> for Firefox 1.0, we haven't done simultaneous releases since then
> (because it's hard to do!). We'll revisit the issue considering 1.0.5
> and also how we can do better with Firefox 1.1.
The impact of the current policy should indeed be re-evaluated. Even back
here in Finland we've had on-line mags reporting separately on the English
release (with a sombre note about no l10n version yet) and later on the
Finnish version [1]. It's not likely that such generosity with reporting
continues.
On the whole, the logic of treating non English speakers as second class
users is not smart and just alienates these (i.e. the majority of) users.
Personally, I can't understand why en-US users should get their updates
sooner than ab-CD users,? ...given that the ab-CD localized version has been
cleared by the locale owner in a reasonable time frame... say e.g. 24h or
48h from en-US sign off.
Um... Enough ranting for now.
-ville
[1] http://www.digitoday.fi/showPage.php?page_id=14&news_id=44035 and
http://www.digitoday.fi/showPage.php?page_id=14&news_id=44055
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