A few years ago, I read a book that completely shifted how I feel about death and the afterlife. I watched an interview with Oprah Winfrey and she sat down with Dr. Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon who was in a coma and who experienced the afterlife while his brain was shut down. Oh my. It was a medically induced coma because he was being treated for meningitis, that means that he had temporary brain death. And in that experience, over the course of those few days, everything that he lived through, he wrote in very vivid moving detail in his book, proof of Heaven. I love getting the information from this neurosurgeon that consciousness isn't a product of our brain. Proof from him that we are so much greater than our physical bodies. And in preparation for my interview with Dr. Ein Alexander, I reread the book Proof of Heaven and oh my, it just comes back to these truths that only love is real.
We are here for a temporary experience in our earthly bodies, but we're part of something so big and so loving and so eternal. It's wildly comforting. It sparks so much curiosity within me. And as you can imagine, I have questions. So having Dr. Evan Alexander on the podcast today was a true joy for me. I really hope you enjoy our interview, and please DM me on Suzy at Suzy dot more on Instagram, your questions, your thoughts, your takeaways. I now give you Dr. Evan Alexander, Dr. Eben Alexander. Welcome to the Let It Be Easy podcast.
I was talking all week to my different friends saying on Friday or on Thursday, I'm going to be speaking to someone who has experienced heaven. This doesn't happen every day. This isn't your average week. And in fact, I read Proof of Heaven years ago when it was pretty newly out, especially after seeing your Oprah interview. And then of course, in preparation for this interview, I read it again thoroughly. Love, love, love this book. My first question
I was just going to say, so glad to hear you say that. I'm glad you appreciate it. And important to point out that a 10th anniversary edition just came out in the last month or two, and that has 36 new pages that cover what's happened over the last decade. So the new edition is one that is very informative about the impact of the book and kind of the revolution going on in the scientific community about all this.
So a must purchase, friends, everybody listening a must purchase now. Actually, my first question for you is it'll be 15 years this year since your experience with meningitis being in a coma. I wanted to ask, how are you doing now 15 years later?
We're doing very well, thank you. And I mean, really coming up on 15 years since the coma has been an extraordinary journey. And one thing that many people might not realize is I've been working for more than a decade now with other scientists around the world interested in consciousness who don't buy into the simplistic fiction of materialist science. That's conventional science, that pretends that only the physical world exists and tends to ignore the findings of quantum physics. So I think it's fascinating that the world is waking up to this and it's all based in very deep science, but it has a way of proving the reality of e eternity of our souls. And the fact that we actually come back again and again, that reincarnation has been scientifically studied and is a very real aspect of human existence. It's just that there's also something called program forgetting so that we don't, as we become adults, we don't remember the memories we have as a young child of past lives in between lives. Those memories get covered over so very interesting phenomenon, but the reality of our consciousness and kind of eternity of soul is what is really bubbling to the top of this scientific revolution.
I can't help but think, Eben, as I read your story and I look at all of the components that had to be in place for you to be the person that told the story. So of course, you being a natural skeptic, being a scientist, being a neurosurgeon, having a complete understanding of the brain, you formally thinking that it was the brain that created consciousness. Don't you just feel like it's so divine that this had to be, you had to be chosen for the experience that you had. It's like this perfect storm almost.
Well, I think near death experiences are always tailored to the individual. I mean, they're designed to help the soul transform and grow. And when I look back on all these events, and that includes my meningitis back in 2008, the months post coma of recovery of having my memories come back and all that, because when I first woke up from coma, my brain was devastated. I didn't even recognize loved ones to the bedside, my sisters, my mother, my sons. I had no idea who they were. And so it was an extraordinarily deep case. And that's why it's also important that there's a medical case report by three doctors not involved in my care, but they go way beyond where I went, the book Proof of Heaven, because I spent a lot of time examining my medical records. And their case report is in the September, 2018 Journal of Nervous and Mental Diseases by Dr.
Sebi Kana, Lauren Moore and Bruce Grayson. But that case report goes a long way to make two major points affirming what I said in proof of heaven. One is that the objective data from neurologic exams, scans and lab values show that my brain could not have mustered any kind of dream or hallucination, much less the most extraordinarily rich, detailed, vivid and alive experience I've ever had in my life. And the second major conclusion is you cannot explain my recovery. A full recovery from a week long coma due to Gram-negative bacterial meningoencephalitis does not happen. It's unprecedented in the medical literature. And when they were challenged, the peer review scientists at the journal said, well, how do you explain this case? It's absurd. They said, well, it's because he had a near death experience that he had such a remarkable recovery. And that's really the important message for all of us because, and they said that because they knew of other near death experiencers who had had recoveries unprecedented in the medical literature from lymphoma, for example, with Anita Mojo after an over 30 minute warm water drowning in the case of Dr. Mary C. Neal, where people just don't come back from those things.
That doesn't happen. And yet in the setting of a near death experience, it can happen. And that just shows us that ultimately we're spiritual beings in a spiritual universe. And our mind and the spiritual essence of us, that's all interconnected, has tremendous power to guide the best and optimal kind of outcome in all these events. So it behooves us to learn much more about our spiritual nature and this kind of power of our higher soul to determine our emergent reality.
That's what I keep feeling as I come across your work and I go deeper. I keep thinking, wow, Evan says that this is the single most real experience of my life, what you went through in your coma, and you also say that it's the chief task of your life to share about it. And I'm like, no wonder
You're right. It's just astonishing. And I had spent the first 54 years of my life before coma, honing a very kind of conventional scientific worldview. But this absolutely shook me to the core. And now I realize, as do many scientists that I work with, and for your listening audience, important to point out that I've written three books about my adventure, proof of heaven, which most people know about. But then the map of heaven was just confirming that these are very common experiences that millions and millions of people have these experiences all the time. But the third book is probably the most important. That's where we really bring science and spirituality together. That's the true proof of Heaven beyond the Book Proof of Heaven. And that book is called Living in a Mindful Universe. And people can learn a lot more about all these books and see the scientific reviews, et cetera. If they go to eon alexander.com. It's a great information resource to learn a lot more about all this.
When you were having your experience, Eben, you said that there were three messages that were made very, very clear to you. You almost just summarized it too with one word, but these are the messages that you received, and I find them so soothing and so beautiful. They are, you are loved and cherished dearly forever. You have nothing to fear, and I love this one. There is nothing you can do wrong. Yeah, I feel like we go through life feeling like we're not love sometimes there's everything to fear and we're doing everything wrong. That's how it can feel.
Well, thank you for sharing that. And yes, that message came from my spiritual guide, the beautiful young woman that accompanied me on the butterfly wing. And it was an extraordinary message. And I think the most important thing to understand is it reflects what so many near-death experiencers tell us that in that realm, it is pure love. That is the ambience, and that is what guides all that happens. That's why when you have a life review in that setting and go through the important events of your life, and it's important to state that a life review is not remembering these events, you're actually reliving the events by so many people's accounts of how this works. But it's important to point out that in that beautiful light and love, it's crystal clear that anything we did to hand out pain and suffering, greed or selfishness, et cetera, just looks incredibly out of sync with that beautiful loving light.
So in that statement to me, you can do no wrong. I knew what she meant, the guardian angel, but I think unfortunately I didn't explain it well enough in the book Proof of Heaven. And some people get to that point in the story and they say, wait a minute, you mean we can do anything we want and it's all fine? And of course the answer to that is no, not even a little bit. But when you've been to that realm of the NDE of the same realm that billions of souls have been to over the last many thousands of years across all cultures, you realize that it's about that light and love. And the more we can follow that light and love with kindness, compassion, empathy, mercy, acceptance of others, realize we're all in this together in many ways, we're kind of sharing one mind.
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