Digital Artist Site
Andy Forbes
site for a client, Steve Stone. He is fairly prominent in the Digital
Art world and has done work for Sony Playstation, Volvo, Virgin and
Tower Records as well as art work for many of the games on the market
for PC, Playstation etc.
His bread and butter is the Sci-Fi fantasy art and does an enormous
amount of fantasy/sci-fi book covers.
This was the best fun I ever had doing a clients website and great for
learning how to convert digital art to the web, as the originals were
in photoshop (psd) or tiff format and the smallest size he sent me was
50Mb !!
Naturally by the very nature of the medium the site does take time to
download but I have made use of preloads throughout the galleries.
Hope you enjoy the art work.
http://www.nexus-dna.demon.co.uk
Regards
Roger B
Representation - Artist Partners of London, Directors - Dom Rodi & Christine
Isteed.
Are they pretending ignorance of this, claiming to be or represent artists?
Every digital artist on the planet knows that logo!
Anyway, I went no further into the site. Seeing that stumped me so much I
had to go check my copy of ATM ... and sure enough ... Identical. This is
not the impression you want to give first time visitors.
Good luck
Andy Forbes wrote in message <37c7fb5f...@news.netobjects.com>...
Roger B
a jpeg. The red is splotchy from over-compression.
Roger B wrote in message <7qccq7$cc...@news.netobjects.com>...
Marcus Windsor
wrote:
>What's up with the big Adobe ATM logo used by these guys --> Artist
>Representation - Artist Partners of London, Directors - Dom Rodi & Christine
>Isteed.
>
>Are they pretending ignorance of this, claiming to be or represent artists?
>Every digital artist on the planet knows that logo!
>
>Anyway, I went no further into the site. Seeing that stumped me so much I
>had to go check my copy of ATM ... and sure enough ... Identical. This is
>not the impression you want to give first time visitors.
>
>Good luck
Interesting point Roger. However, you are making a couple of
assumptions here that the logo is:
1: registered as an Adobe trademark/symbol
2: that it is not registered already to "Artists Partners".
Adobe do not lay claim to this logo in their copyright info:
http://www.adobe.com/misc/PDFS/tmguide.pdf
Also Adobe are a relatively young company:
Adobe was originally incorporated in California on October 26, 1983.
On May 30, 1997, Adobe reincorporated in Delaware by merging with and
into Adobe Systems (Delaware), which was incorporated on May 9, 1997.
Adobe Systems (Delaware) was the surviving corporation and changed its
name to Adobe Systems Incorporated concurrently with the merger."
AP could have been around a lot longer.
Marcus Windsor
Inetrnet Legal Dept.
Findle, Harper & Bell
Corporate & Internet Lawyers
London UK
Roger B
any "digital artists" to represent in in 1983. Besides, why draw
unnessessary negative attention, doubt, or questions? Why distract visitors
(potential clients) from your real product, service, and site content? Like
I said; I didn't get any further than the home page because I was so
distracted. It also shows that they couldn't _really_ be representing (or
even have much contact with) many artists. If they had, someone would have
caught this before. Any logo designer with any pride (or creativity) would
know to stay clear of anything close to such a well known icon. Like I said,
you simply can not work in the digital arts and be ignorant of that logo!
So, repeating again, and irrespective of legal ramifications, this is not
the kind of impression anyone wants to give their visitors -- particularly
when most of them _will_ be in the digital arts! dig?
Roger
P.S. I'm only "assuming" that the poster wants honest feedback and
impressions about the web site.
Marcus Windsor wrote in message <37ca4bc...@news.netobjects.com>...
Paul Harris
It does take a while to load on a 56.6kps modem, as you state. I find this
a little frustrating FYI, as I am sure many others without high speed access
do. The interest factor (particularly to fans) of the site does marginally
over come the urge to bail out.
On this page:
http://www.metrodreams.co.uk/nexus-dna/zero_concept.html
You have a typo "...UK ganing convention..." Shouldn't that be gaming?
Andy Forbes
wrote:
>You could be right about any number of things, however, I doubt there were
>any "digital artists" to represent in in 1983. Besides, why draw
>unnessessary negative attention, doubt, or questions? Why distract visitors
>(potential clients) from your real product, service, and site content? Like
>I said; I didn't get any further than the home page because I was so
>distracted. It also shows that they couldn't _really_ be representing (or
>even have much contact with) many artists. If they had, someone would have
>caught this before. Any logo designer with any pride (or creativity) would
>know to stay clear of anything close to such a well known icon. Like I said,
>you simply can not work in the digital arts and be ignorant of that logo!
>So, repeating again, and irrespective of legal ramifications, this is not
>the kind of impression anyone wants to give their visitors -- particularly
>when most of them _will_ be in the digital arts! dig?
>
>Roger
>P.S. I'm only "assuming" that the poster wants honest feedback and
>impressions about the web site.
>
Interesting but wrong.
They are called "Artist Partners of London" no mention of just
repreenting Digital Artists, you assumed that. There are artists who
use old fashioned brushes and paints.
AP has been around since 1922 and Adobe are aware of the logo.
I am not out to attract clients, I have enough work and only work 3
days a week. I also did not ask for critique or comment merely for
those interested in DA to see another artists work.
jrm
critique.
Roger B wrote in message <7qednm$js...@news.netobjects.com>...
>You could be right about any number of things, however, I doubt there were
>any "digital artists" to represent in in 1983. Besides, why draw
>unnessessary negative attention, doubt, or questions? Why distract visitors
>(potential clients) from your real product, service, and site content? Like
>I said; I didn't get any further than the home page because I was so
>distracted. It also shows that they couldn't _really_ be representing (or
>even have much contact with) many artists. If they had, someone would have
>caught this before. Any logo designer with any pride (or creativity) would
>know to stay clear of anything close to such a well known icon. Like I
said,
>you simply can not work in the digital arts and be ignorant of that logo!
>So, repeating again, and irrespective of legal ramifications, this is not
>the kind of impression anyone wants to give their visitors -- particularly
>when most of them _will_ be in the digital arts! dig?
>
>Roger
>P.S. I'm only "assuming" that the poster wants honest feedback and
>impressions about the web site.
>
>
>Marcus Windsor wrote in message <37ca4bc...@news.netobjects.com>...
>>On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:38:19 -0700, "Roger B" <rblu...@jps.net>
>>wrote:
>>
Denault/Lavoie
managed to give us a good idea of what he does and we can feel it Bravo
How do you protect all his artwork on the net and do you use certain
applications with netobjects to create this great protection (all rights
reserverved)
Marc so...@sprint.ca
I am in the process of building my own site with netobjects 4.0,
Andy Forbes wrote:
> If anybody is interested in Digital Art then I have just completed a
> site for a client, Steve Stone. He is fairly prominent in the Digital
> Art world and has done work for Sony Playstation, Volvo, Virgin and
> Tower Records as well as art work for many of the games on the market
> for PC, Playstation etc.
>
> His bread and butter is the Sci-Fi fantasy art and does an enormous
> amount of fantasy/sci-fi book covers.
>
> This was the best fun I ever had doing a clients website and great for
> learning how to convert digital art to the web, as the originals were
> in photoshop (psd) or tiff format and the smallest size he sent me was
> 50Mb !!
>
> Naturally by the very nature of the medium the site does take time to
> download but I have made use of preloads throughout the galleries.
>
> Hope you enjoy the art work.
>
> http://www.nexus-dna.demon.co.uk
>
Roger B
Bye
Andy Forbes wrote in message <37cb08f0...@news.netobjects.com>...
>On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:05:45 -0700, "Roger B" <rblu...@jps.net>
>wrote:
>
>>You could be right about any number of things, however, I doubt there were
>>any "digital artists" to represent in in 1983. Besides, why draw
>>unnessessary negative attention, doubt, or questions? Why distract
visitors
>>(potential clients) from your real product, service, and site content?
Like
>>I said; I didn't get any further than the home page because I was so
>>distracted. It also shows that they couldn't _really_ be representing (or
>>even have much contact with) many artists. If they had, someone would have
>>caught this before. Any logo designer with any pride (or creativity) would
>>know to stay clear of anything close to such a well known icon. Like I
said,
>>you simply can not work in the digital arts and be ignorant of that logo!
>>So, repeating again, and irrespective of legal ramifications, this is not
>>the kind of impression anyone wants to give their visitors -- particularly
>>when most of them _will_ be in the digital arts! dig?
>>
>>Roger
>>P.S. I'm only "assuming" that the poster wants honest feedback and
>>impressions about the web site.
>>
>
>Interesting but wrong.
>
>They are called "Artist Partners of London" no mention of just
>repreenting Digital Artists, you assumed that. There are artists who
>use old fashioned brushes and paints.
>
>AP has been around since 1922 and Adobe are aware of the logo.
>
>I am not out to attract clients, I have enough work and only work 3
>days a week. I also did not ask for critique or comment merely for
>those interested in DA to see another artists work.
>
>
>
>
>
Andy Forbes
wrote:
>I enjoyed the site and the artist is really something very special,you
>managed to give us a good idea of what he does and we can feel it Bravo
>How do you protect all his artwork on the net and do you use certain
>applications with netobjects to create this great protection (all rights
>reserverved)
>Marc so...@sprint.ca
>I am in the process of building my own site with netobjects 4.0,
>
Thanks Marc
The protection gizmo is just a piece of Javascript:
<script language=JavaScript> <!--
var message="© Copyright: Steve Stone - Digital Artist 1996-1999. All
rights reserved.";
function click(e) {if (document.all) {if (event.button == 2)
{alert(message);
return false;}}if (document.layers) {if (e.which == 3)
{alert(message);
return false;}}}if (document.layers)
{document.captureEvents(Event.MOUSEDOWN);}
document.onmousedown=click;// --> </script>
To insert in NoF4 make sure you are in Page View for the page you want
to protect, click in the Layout Area, then on the Layout Properties
Palette click on HTML, makee sure you have "Between Head Tags"
selected and just paste the script in.
This will only deter the casual "image thief" and does not work with
some versions of browsers.
There is software to make it harder to steal images but of course they
pay and fom what I have heard they still do not stop anyone using a
half-decent "site ripper" from sucking the whole site down and getting
the images that way.
I know Steve actively pursues people using his images without a
licence/agreement and the main reason for running this script is to
enforce the legal side when it comes to prosecutuing the "image
thief".
They can hardly proclaim ignorance of copyright when the images have
it on, there is a copyright page and the javascript runs on some of
the browsers.
Hope you find the script useful.
Andy Forbes
Thanks Paul,
Six people missed that typo :-)
It's a real "rock and a hard place" scenario trying to get art work
like this onto the net, trying to get a balance between quality and
size for downloading.
I spent 6 weeks analysing the other site logs looking at the trends in
browsers, systems, and video resolution of the visitors.
It became apparent that the trend is moving towards 800x600 and 16 bit
colour with Version 4 browsers. On that basis we sat down and made
some hard decisions on image size and quality.
Fortunately Steve understood the need to reduce the image quality, it
can't be easy seeing an image you have spent a 100 hours plus being
reduced down to a 100Kb or less !
However, so far the fans have liked it, we have a couple of good
reviews coming out in the printed digital art computer press but at
the end of the day my job is to satisfy the client.
What I have learned from this exercise is that artists view the web
medium very differently to others.
Oh yeah and I am really into PhotoShop 5 now !!!
Paul Harris
Thanks for the insight. Just out of curiosity, and believe me I'm no
expert, have you thought about using Macromedia's "Flash." This product
allows the use of Vector Graphics. If so, do you have any opinions on this.
I am evaluating and trying to learn the program, as I would like to create
more animation on my sites.
Paul Harris
corp...@bullrush.com
http://www.bullrush.com/faredata/index.html
Car Buff
Paul Harris <corp...@bullrush.com> wrote in message news:7qh095$sf...@news.netobjects.com...
Andy Forbes
<corp...@bullrush.com> wrote:
>Andy,
>
>Thanks for the insight. Just out of curiosity, and believe me I'm no
>expert, have you thought about using Macromedia's "Flash." This product
>allows the use of Vector Graphics. If so, do you have any opinions on this.
>I am evaluating and trying to learn the program, as I would like to create
>more animation on my sites.
>
>Paul Harris
>corp...@bullrush.com
>http://www.bullrush.com/faredata/index.html
>
>
Hi Paul
I have been playing with it and I am booked on a 2 week course in
October to learn it thoroughly.
I have some ideas for some of my clients existing sites and Steve has
some ideas for the digital art site next year that will involve Flash
and short animation videos as well.
Colleagues in the business have warned me to use it sparingly and only
where it is relevant or necessary. I have been to sites that are
totally Flash/Shockwave and they can really give the optic nerve a
hard time.
:-)
Paul Harris
I would rather go to the content page direct; however, people in our
organization want to keep the java photo. I will make it more clickable
following your advice, although I do have a meta refresh tag. Good to hear
your comments. Its one of those "can't see the forest for the trees"
things!
Paul Harris
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Car Buff
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Paul Harris
For one you get better results with a text page and meta tags on the serch
engine :) However, we have a whole bunch of sponsors and company folk who
like splash pages! I will register the java with the authors, pay and get
rid of their message at least and then drop it once we get it fully up and
running.
Thanks again.
Paul H.
Car Buff wrote in message <7qh656$sf...@news.netobjects.com>...
Terrence Weekes
could put an option for a higher resolution version, such as 1024x768. I
know I would love to use some of those as my background on my computer. Plus
it would be free marketing to have on people's wallpapers, and maybe attract
more traffic to the site!
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Andy Forbes <and...@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:37c7fb5f...@news.netobjects.com...
> If anybody is interested in Digital Art then I have just completed a
> site for a client, Steve Stone. He is fairly prominent in the Digital
> Art world and has done work for Sony Playstation, Volvo, Virgin and
> Tower Records as well as art work for many of the games on the market
> for PC, Playstation etc.
>
> His bread and butter is the Sci-Fi fantasy art and does an enormous
> amount of fantasy/sci-fi book covers.
>
> This was the best fun I ever had doing a clients website and great for
> learning how to convert digital art to the web, as the originals were
> in photoshop (psd) or tiff format and the smallest size he sent me was
> 50Mb !!
>
> Naturally by the very nature of the medium the site does take time to
> download but I have made use of preloads throughout the galleries.
>
> Hope you enjoy the art work.
>
>
> http://www.nexus-dna.demon.co.uk
>
>
>
Denault/Lavoie
I really thank you for your reply and I can see that you not only master the
web but you are not afraid to share your ideas and tips I appreciate your
concern
Merci 10***
Marc
Andy Forbes wrote: