As some of you may know, I've been on a kinda rough ride recently,
involving real life depressing stuff and really good drugs to deal with
it. Real life is still wierd, but at least I'm coping a little better than
I was a few weeks ago.
So life is starting to look surprisingly good now, in tangible ways (i.e.
it's not JUST happy pills) and one way is a rather shocking revival of
what I gather some people call a 'sex life' (it's been a while...).
Unfortunately I'm taking the modern wonder-drug/snake-oil, Prozac, and it
seems to have some very disconcerting effects in that area. The spirit is
willing and eager, but the body is somewhat nonchalant, if you catch my
drift. My new (sweet, wonderful, gorgeous, sexy, brilliant, and highly
discriminating) female friend is not terribly concerned, after all I do
have an imagination, but I am a bit perturbed.
Anyone out there know of an alternative treatment (no scientology, please)
that does not leave a man with an unusually reduced repertoire sexually?
--
Bill Cole bi...@scconsult.com
Oooh, look, the hyphen is gone!
It's a long ugly story.
>Anyone out there know of an alternative treatment (no scientology, please)
>that does not leave a man with an unusually reduced repertoire sexually?
I've had very good results with Welbutrin. (a anti-depressant which
uses different receptors) The PDR doesn't mention any side effects in
that area.
Jay
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>Anyone out there know of an alternative treatment (no scientology, please)
>that does not leave a man with an unusually reduced repertoire sexually?
It's my understanding that sexual effects from antideps are highly
individualized, especially in men. That is, Prozac knocks you out,
whereas Paxil may be just the thing...where Paxil knocks someone else
cold. It may be time for experimentation with your doc.
You might also try gingko biloba.
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ka...@eyrie.org Kate Wrightson www.eyrie.org/~kate
>cold. It may be time for experimentation with your doc.
I just re-read this. I mean "experimentation with your meds, under your
doc's supervision". Really.
>So life is starting to look surprisingly good now, in tangible ways (i.e.
>it's not JUST happy pills) and one way is a rather shocking revival of
>what I gather some people call a 'sex life' (it's been a while...).
>Unfortunately I'm taking the modern wonder-drug/snake-oil, Prozac, and it
>seems to have some very disconcerting effects in that area. The spirit is
>willing and eager, but the body is somewhat nonchalant, if you catch my
>drift. My new (sweet, wonderful, gorgeous, sexy, brilliant, and highly
>discriminating) female friend is not terribly concerned, after all I do
>have an imagination, but I am a bit perturbed.
>
>Anyone out there know of an alternative treatment (no scientology, please)
>that does not leave a man with an unusually reduced repertoire sexually?
Bill,
Glad to see things are looking up. It just so happens that I have some
recent expertise in this area!
Some things to consider:
1) Different Antidepressant. My problem cleared up pretty well when I
switched from Paxil to Zoloft. Serzone is known not to have any sexual
side-effects. Consult with your doctor. Don't be shy about talking about
it. This is a common side effect and the doctors know it.
2) Gingko Biloba. Large doses. Get the standardized extract stuff - it
will usually come 40mg to a cap. Start off slow. Take one cap with
breakfast and one with dinner. After a few days, move up to two caps. In
this way, gradually work yourself up to six caps with breakfast and six
with dinner. The reason you want to work yourself up, is that this stuff
can mess with your digesion. Expect diarreha (sp?). The digestive effects
- at least in my experience - are slightly annoying, but very tolerable.
There is only anecdotal literature on this, but *it works*. The only
orgasm I was able to manage on Paxil was after several weeks of G.B., and
I notice a *big* difference in both my horniness level, and the level of
difficulty with which I achieve orgasm (no trouble at all when I'm
concientious about taking it). Don't cheap out. The non-standardized
extract stuff is massively lame.
3) Mental stimulation. LOTS of foreplay. Lots of fantasy play. The more
excited you can get yourself mentally, the better you'll respond
physically.
4) Um... how do I put this delacately? Practice. If you know what I mean.
Things will feel a little bit different, and you need to know what things
feel like so you can lock onto the proper sensations.
5) Patience. Don't beat up on yourself if things don't work out. Keep the
mood light, and keep trying. Focus on her needs and make sure she has a
good time (that'll keep her around until things are working better for
you). All this tinkering takes time. The more patience you can muster, the
less crazy you'll make yourself.
Congratulations on the new girlfriend. Good luck.
--
----YoYo------...@tezcat.com------------and stuff------
"I'm not getting any saner, here..."
> Bill Stewart-Cole <bi...@scconsult.com> wrote:
[...]
> >Anyone out there know of an alternative treatment (no scientology, please)
> >that does not leave a man with an unusually reduced repertoire sexually?
>
> Bill,
>
> Glad to see things are looking up. It just so happens that I have some
> recent expertise in this area!
This is what is so cool about news at its best. How many guys would
actually talk about this anywhere else?
> Some things to consider:
>
> 1) Different Antidepressant. My problem cleared up pretty well when I
> switched from Paxil to Zoloft. Serzone is known not to have any sexual
> side-effects. Consult with your doctor. Don't be shy about talking about
> it. This is a common side effect and the doctors know it.
It was actually a GOOD thing in a way for some weeks. Intrusive horniness
is a very bad thing when you've been very monogamous for 12 years and are
suddenly without that one person.
The situation kinda switched suddenly....
>
> 2) Gingko Biloba. Large doses. Get the standardized extract stuff - it
> will usually come 40mg to a cap.
[...]
Cool. I will definitely try this. Odd story: I got some Gingko as a
concentration aid a few months ago (self-medicating...) and this just
happened to coincide with my desperate and successful-as-far-as-it-went
attempt to tempt my ex-in-process to stay for the sex.
(sordid tale omitted...)
>The only
> orgasm I was able to manage on Paxil was after several weeks of G.B., and
> I notice a *big* difference in both my horniness level, and the level of
> difficulty with which I achieve orgasm (no trouble at all when I'm
> concientious about taking it). Don't cheap out. The non-standardized
> extract stuff is massively lame.
The horniness level is actually not a big problem. That is what is SO
annoying. Maintaining an erection for any period of time sufficient for
reaching orgasm is just nearly impossible without focused effort. Focused
effort can be a lot of fun, but even that can take a while.
> 3) Mental stimulation. LOTS of foreplay. Lots of fantasy play. The more
> excited you can get yourself mentally, the better you'll respond
> physically.
I've already discovered this :)
As my partner noted this weekend, by objective measures it's not so bad,
but it's way different from what I am used to.
> 4) Um... how do I put this delacately? Practice. If you know what I mean.
> Things will feel a little bit different, and you need to know what things
> feel like so you can lock onto the proper sensations.
Good idea.
This is a mostly long-distance relationship, so its not like I'd be using
up a limited resource most of the time.
> 5) Patience. Don't beat up on yourself if things don't work out. Keep the
> mood light, and keep trying.
Yes. We have.
This has been a very good thing.
>Focus on her needs and make sure she has a
> good time (that'll keep her around until things are working better for
> you).
Ummm... yes.
I got REALLY lucky in this area because she is not one to equate physical
response to emotional response and this certainly helps me display my
imagination and dedication. :)
I make fun of my 'disappearing act' and find whatever alternative seems
most appropriate at the moment, and I get a lot of "I'm NOT complaining"
responses.
There's nothing like a lack of ability to focus on ones own needs to bring
out the generous and imaginative lover.
>All this tinkering takes time. The more patience you can muster, the
> less crazy you'll make yourself.
>
> Congratulations on the new girlfriend. Good luck.
Thanks.
--
Bill Cole bi...@scconsult.com
Yes, I have lost a hyphen and a name.
E-mail me for the spewing sob story on why.
> In article <bill-15069...@192.168.1.1>,
> Bill Stewart-Cole <bi...@scconsult.com> wrote:
>
> >Anyone out there know of an alternative treatment (no scientology, please)
> >that does not leave a man with an unusually reduced repertoire sexually?
>
> It's my understanding that sexual effects from antideps are highly
> individualized, especially in men. That is, Prozac knocks you out,
> whereas Paxil may be just the thing...where Paxil knocks someone else
> cold. It may be time for experimentation with your doc.
That would be interesting. She does have a certain exotic beauty, although
she is a bit old for me.
> You might also try gingko biloba.
I definitely will do that.
Thanks Kate.
>>The only
>> orgasm I was able to manage on Paxil was after several weeks of G.B., and
>> I notice a *big* difference in both my horniness level, and the level of
>> difficulty with which I achieve orgasm (no trouble at all when I'm
>> concientious about taking it). Don't cheap out. The non-standardized
>> extract stuff is massively lame.
>
>The horniness level is actually not a big problem. That is what is SO
>annoying. Maintaining an erection for any period of time sufficient for
>reaching orgasm is just nearly impossible without focused effort. Focused
>effort can be a lot of fun, but even that can take a while.
I had no trouble maintaining an erection, I just couldn't have an orgasm.
talk about *frustrating*...
> Bill Cole <bi...@scconsult.com> wrote:
[...]
> >The horniness level is actually not a big problem. That is what is SO
> >annoying. Maintaining an erection for any period of time sufficient for
> >reaching orgasm is just nearly impossible without focused effort. Focused
> >effort can be a lot of fun, but even that can take a while.
>
> I had no trouble maintaining an erection, I just couldn't have an orgasm.
> talk about *frustrating*...
That's actually a problem I have long-term intermittent familiarity with
when unmedicated. Yes indeed it can be frustrating, but I've found a
friend in Astroglide, which can eliminate the worst technical problem it
causes. I hope it doesn't sound too crude, but I have found that extended
stamina generates few complaints as long as there is sufficient
lubrication.
It is really disconcerting to now be finding myself with the same
mechanical difficulty as premature ejaculation without the compensation
of the actual orgasm. If my partner was not as wonderfully understanding
as she is, this could be a Really Big Problem because while premature
ejaculation can be interpreted as a compliment of sorts, going soft while
actively engaged is unlikely to be seen that way. I am really very lucky.
I guess it helps that I can blame the Prozac and laugh at myself while
shifting gears.
On the positive side, it's been a fantastic opportunity to do a lot of
focusing on one of us at a time. It is very fun to just focus on my
partner for an extended period. It is also very nice to be treated as a
challenging project. There is something very appealing and exhilarating
about a fiercely determined woman with a goal.
--
Bill Cole bi...@scconsult.com
Yes, I have lost a hyphen and a name.
E-mail me if you want the spewing sob story on why.
>> I had no trouble maintaining an erection, I just couldn't have an orgasm.
>> talk about *frustrating*...
>
>That's actually a problem I have long-term intermittent familiarity with
>when unmedicated. Yes indeed it can be frustrating, but I've found a
>friend in Astroglide, which can eliminate the worst technical problem it
>causes. I hope it doesn't sound too crude, but I have found that extended
>stamina generates few complaints as long as there is sufficient
>lubrication.
Chafing is not too big a worry. The main problem for me is that after a
certain point, I'd lose the sensation of "getting somwhere", and my
attention would start to wander.
Anyway, it's kind of a moot point now.
(Tangentally, I'd like to say that while I agree that AstroGlide is a
superior product, GOD DAMN that stuff is expensive!)
Better Living Through Chemistry,
On the few occasions that this has happened to me, what works great is
stopping for about 5 minutes. YMMV.
>(Tangentally, I'd like to say that while I agree that AstroGlide is a
>superior product, GOD DAMN that stuff is expensive!)
I (we?) prefer Liquid Silk. I bought enough to last me years...
rone
--
You can tell when I'm being facetious because I use subliminal smileys.
- Peter da Silva <pe...@taronga.com>
>>(Tangentally, I'd like to say that while I agree that AstroGlide is a
>>superior product, GOD DAMN that stuff is expensive!)
>
>I (we?) prefer Liquid Silk. I bought enough to last me years...
Never tried Liquid Silk. We've got a thing of AquaLube, which I don't
really like because it tends to dry out and get too sticky. Personally, I
think AstroGlide is just about perfect, but last time I priced it, it was
about nine bucks for a teeny little tube.
My experience with AG (very limited, i admit) was similar to yours
with AL. Here's Blowfish's prices for LS:
item BS-BDY-1006-S, 50ml: $4.95
item BS-BDY-1006-L, 250ml: $13.95
> In article <6m4eob$r...@xochi.tezcat.com>, YoYo <yo...@xochi.tezcat.com> wrote:
> >Never tried Liquid Silk. We've got a thing of AquaLube, which I don't
> >really like because it tends to dry out and get too sticky. Personally, I
> >think AstroGlide is just about perfect, but last time I priced it, it was
> >about nine bucks for a teeny little tube.
>
> My experience with AG (very limited, i admit) was similar to yours
> with AL. Here's Blowfish's prices for LS:
>
> item BS-BDY-1006-S, 50ml: $4.95
> item BS-BDY-1006-L, 250ml: $13.95
Point of reference:
Walgreen's sold me a 2.35oz (71ml by my calculation) bottle of AstroGlide
for $4.99. Maybe it's just cheaper at a mass-market store?
And the stuff goes a long way.
--
Bill Cole bi...@scconsult.com
Yes, I have lost a hyphen and a name.
E-mail me for the spewing sob story on why.
In article <6m4eob$r...@xochi.tezcat.com>, YoYo <yo...@xochi.tezcat.com> wrote:
>Never tried Liquid Silk. We've got a thing of AquaLube, which I don't
>really like because it tends to dry out and get too sticky. Personally, I
>think AstroGlide is just about perfect, but last time I priced it, it was
>about nine bucks for a teeny little tube.
Liquid Silk gave me a UTI. I didn't like that. There was all this gooey
blood and I cried because it hurt and kept going *pop* every time I went
to pee. So no Liquid Silk for Wednesday. Besides, it felt tacky on my hands.
And it tasted funny.
I liked (like?) Probe for masturbatory purposes, and little bits of
random boingie, but anything particularly serious has become a matter of
generic K-Y[1]. "Serious" can be left as an exercise to the reader unless
anyone gives a shit. But anyhow. So, like, K-Y, and not even real K-Y,
but Boots and Equate "personal lubricant" because it's the same stuff
without the extra two bucks or two pounds or whatever, I mean, it's not
like the NUMBERS change between countries, but I digress, anyhow, so
K-Y, and I feel like this total Budweiser drinker of kinky people.
At least there's no n-9. (Allergic. Besides, it's not like it would kill
anything for what it gets used for. And it numbs the mouth. You disbelieve,
you try blowing up lubricated condoms and making balloon animals[2] and
tell me how much you can taste afterwards...) And there's no saccharine.
Lemon-Lime ForPlay. NEVER AGAIN.
-- weds.
[1] Originally typoed K-9. Ew.
[2] OK, this bit is on topic for nspm: dissociation; is there a better
way to tell amusing stories about what your chibis do when your metapho-
rical back is turned than "these kids I babysat that time"?
--
wedn...@tezcat.com====================================================
Learn to deal with life or not as you will, but know that the world owes
you nothing. In fact, it owes you niceness least of all. - liana@tezcat
"When I was a kid" is another option. It's even close to true. :) Only
works if you either edit for single kidness or it really was only done by
one chibi, mind.
t i n a @ t e z c a t . c o m D i S c O r D
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Edgar: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
Bug: Your proposal is acceptable.
True. I'm thinking of group events, though, seeing as my chibis seem
to largely operate in groups of at least two, occasionally three, lately
four (say hello to Six, boys and girls...).
Note to the uninitiated: "chibi" means "small" or "little" (with, depending
on tone of voice, a connotation of "brat" on occasion) and I use it to
refer to child personalities in a dissociative system (well, in mine,
although I've started to hear of other people using it).
> In article <6m90r3$4...@huitzilo.tezcat.com>,
> Wednesday <wedn...@huitzilo.tezcat.com> wrote:
> >[2] OK, this bit is on topic for nspm: dissociation; is there a better
> >way to tell amusing stories about what your chibis do when your metapho-
> >rical back is turned than "these kids I babysat that time"?
>
> "When I was a kid" is another option. It's even close to true. :) Only
> works if you either edit for single kidness or it really was only done by
> one chibi, mind.
"chibi"?
Kai
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- Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu)
My understanding was that the negative connotation was contextual.
But OK.
>Since there is really no common plural form in Japanese (yes, I
>know about -tachi), "chibis" sounds just plain weird (plus it's an
>adjective, not a noun).
* wednesday concedes the point, chalks it up to what happens when
a gaijin dissociative watches stuff with bad information at hand
(I do not recall where I picked up the definition I was using that
had "chibi" as an occasional insult, but not always), but notes that
the term has gone and acquired the "little-kid alternate personality"
use in its own right in certain circles, English-speaking, where a
plural of "chibis" is a desperate default and not an attempt to be
faithful to the Japanese. My apologies if this facet of the use here
was unclear.
*regards internal chibi creatures* They ARE runts. :)
Ouch. That was cruel.
>1) Different Antidepressant. My problem cleared up pretty well when I
>switched from Paxil to Zoloft. Serzone is known not to have any sexual
>side-effects. Consult with your doctor. Don't be shy about talking about
>it. This is a common side effect and the doctors know it.
Doubt it has any use but I'll mention St. John's Wort, which is an OTC
herbal suppliment that's supposed to help with depression. May work better
with women then men. Dunno...
>4) Um... how do I put this delacately? Practice. If you know what I mean.
>Things will feel a little bit different, and you need to know what things
>feel like so you can lock onto the proper sensations.
And if the problem is literally just blood-flow, there's cock rings and
various OTC creams that help (mainly by increasing blood flow).
>Congratulations on the new girlfriend.
"Congratulations on your purchase of GirlFriend 98!"
rif...@afn.org : "Seven Brides For Seven Brothers" (1954) An Oregon
Jeff The Riffer : trapper decides to get maried, and so do his six
Drifter... : brothers; now all they need is some women.
Homo Postmortemus : --TV Weekly Guide (Gainesville Sun)
Any of them that don't have a machismo problem or feel constantly threatened.
Helps to not have a big fat ego, and to be confident in one's interests.
>The situation kinda switched suddenly....
GIF! GIF!!
rif...@afn.org : "Ward, you were a little hard on the Beaver last
Jeff The Riffer : night..."
Drifter... :
Homo Postmortemus :
> In <89824501...@the.satanic.org> rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:
> >"Congratulations on your purchase of GirlFriend 98!"
>
> And if that was a Microsoft product, it probably wouldn't suck.
I don't do Microsoft products.
Although she does use Windows, but I suppose that's almost unavoidable.
> bi...@scconsult.com (Bill Cole) wrote:
> >This is what is so cool about news at its best. How many guys would
> >actually talk about this anywhere else?
>
> Any of them that don't have a machismo problem or feel constantly threatened.
> Helps to not have a big fat ego, and to be confident in one's interests.
Like I said.
(sorry, but I'm a radical feminist lesbian happily trapped in a man's body)
>
> >The situation kinda switched suddenly....
>
> GIF! GIF!!
Sorry, no can do. I got told this morning very emphatically "That's MINE!"
and I think a GIF would be skirting the line.
>(sorry, but I'm a radical feminist lesbian happily trapped in a man's body)
>and I think a GIF would be skirting the line.
Sorry. The words "radical feminist" and "skirt" may not appear in the same
post. Please try again.
Ow. I did not need to know that.
>>"Congratulations on your purchase of GirlFriend 98!"
>And if that was a Microsoft product, it probably wouldn't suck.
Or maybe it would but after 10 minutes her jaw would crash.
> In <89824501...@the.satanic.org> rif...@cyberNOTHING.org () writes:
> >And if the problem is literally just blood-flow, there's cock rings and
>
> The only danger is with forgetting to take the cock ring off... with the
*Forgetting*?! How do you *forget* something like *that*?!
In article <6mdqqu$e...@huitzilo.tezcat.com>,
YoYo <yo...@huitzilo.tezcat.com> wrote:
>Sorry. The words "radical feminist" and "skirt" may not appear in the same
>post. Please try again.
I beg to differ:
Radical feminists are frequently considered to be the type of women who
avoid shaving their legs, refuse to wear skirts or makeup, and are
probably lesbians to boot.
So nyah! :)
######## ti...@tezcat.com ########### http://www.tezcat.com/~tina ##########
"Credentials? The only credentials I have is that I'm the only pilot
willing to fly you up there. You don't like those credentials?"
*laugh* "Walk." -- Bear, the pilot in "Ice"
How the hell do you *forget* to take it off? I suppose you might fall asleep
but *forget*?
"Gee, I wonder why I can't get my pants on this morning."
>Then there was the doctor my primary's mother used to be a PA for - he dealt
>with such problems and was known as the willy doctor. He'd normally give the
>men an injection with the instructions that if it didn't wear off in a couple
>of hours or so to visit A&E were they'd be given an antidote. At which point
So there's this old man, and he's pretty well off, and he marries a really
ripe bit of strumpet, er, I mean a young babe. He's very happy with her and
she's happy to be taken care of, but he can't get an erection no matter what
they try. So finally he goes to a very exclusive doctor and explains the
problem.
The doctor nods and tells the old man "I can help you, but it'll cost you
$50,000 and you can only take the treatment once." The old man agrees, and the
doctor works his magic using special injections and hypno-therapy and strange
alien technology.
After he's done, the doctor hands the old man a page of writing that explains
how the treatment works. Upon hearing the words "beep beep" the old man will
get an instant erection. When he repeats the words, the erection will
disappear. But this will only work a total of six times, and the treatment
can never be repeated. So the old man shakes the doctor's hand and leaves
to return home in his limo.
On the way home the old man gets a bit curious and decides that since he'll
probably never survive three copulations anyways, he should test to see if
the treatment really worked. So he mutters "beep beep" under his breath and
gets an instant, rock-hard erection. Quite happy with the results, he whispers
the words to himself again and the erection subsides.
But on the way home, the limo gets passed by a VW beetle which honks it's
horn-- *BEEP BEEP* -- and the old man has a sudden erection. He immediately
is terrified that his remaining chances will be gone and orders his chauffer
to speed it up. The chauffer, ignorant of what treatment the old man has
received, nods and speeds up, but also honks back at the VW beetle... causing
the old man to lose his second erection.
They manage to get back to the mansion without further incident, and the old
man runs inside, grabs his young wife by the hand and leads her up the stairs
to their fabulously huge bedroom. While she's going "Huh? What?", he commands
her to the bed and tells her they will now consumate their marriage. She
hurriedly strips out of her clothes, while the old man removes his own suit
and underwear. As he climbs into the bed towards his wife, he mutters "Beep
beep" to himself.
"What's this 'beep beep' shit?" his wife asks.
rif...@afn.org : "C.C. and Company" (1970) A motorcycle rebel rescues a
Jeff The Riffer : woman from his gang and fights an outlaw guru for
Drifter... : supremacy.