Reply to Paul Zimmerman

[j. freeland]

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> Paul,
>
> Please except my apologies for calling you Mr. Z. However, I did not
> call you that in contempt. It was merely a short cut rather than
> writing out your entire name. I will from here on address you as Paul.
>
> Thank you for sending me those articles in the mail. I did not see
> them on the net and was wondering if you had responded or not.
>
> First, I will comment on some of the things that you said.
>
> > Anyone who has lived a full life has experienced hurt of
> >some kind or other. The question is ``Why?'' Is it because of the random
> >elements of chance that evolutionists attribute their theories to? Or is it
> >because of the deliberate interference of a Damager-God?
>
> Or is it a result of man's fallen and evil nature? Just as the Apostle
> Paul, I also am aware of an evil that is present within me. It is this
> evil that causes men to steal, kill, and rape. It is this evil that
> causes war. It is this evil nature that causes men to stand by while
> their brothers and sisters are starving and dying. Why does Jerry Lewis
> have to do a telethon to raise a few million dollars for MD. There are
> many multi-millionaires in the world that could give the money NOW and
> write it off their taxes. You attribute this to the Damager-God but I
> attribute it to the selfishness of man's heart.
>
> >You say you ``know'' I could not possibly really believe my ``theory.''
> >I believe it because the evidence makes it clear that it is true. Why do you
> >believe your ``theory?'' Since I was never ``trying to serve'' God, I am not
> >trying to hurt Him back. I am trying to erode the base of sheepish whorshipful
> >support for a pig monster who gains pleasure from our misery by letting people
> >know what He is really like. I don't believe that He is as all powerful as
> >you might believe (obviously He makes mistakes), and I believe someday He
> >will be beaten. And I live in hope for that day.
>
> The evidence may be consistence with your belief. It is also consistent
> with mine. However, your theory has a basic underlying flaw. You base
> your beliefs on various incidents described in the Bible. But then you
> add your own interpratation of the events. You claim that the facts are
> are mixed with lies of the Damager-God. You have therefore, set yourself
> up as THE prophet who has the ability to distinguish between truth and
> error in the Bible. How did you come to this revelation. If there are lies
> in the Bible than nothing in it is reliable. Your theory crumbles for
> lack of evidence that this Damager-God even exists. The only evidence
> you have left is the evil and inhumanity of man throughout the centuries
> of recorded history. But, this is no evidence for the existance of God,
> just the evil of man.
>
> The evidence for my belief in a good God comes right out of the Bible
> with no discerning of truth and error. Just what the scriptures say. If
> you accept the Bible as evidence than it is not subject to whimsical
> changes in the facts and God's charactor. The claims of the Bible have
> been substantiated in my life. I have experienced the evil within me
> that it describes, I have experienced the meaninglessness of life apart
> from God, I have experienced the forgiveness of sins, and the joy and
> love that comes from a God who has my best interests in mind.
>
> Another flaw in your theory is your belief that one day this God will be
> beaten. You said that He is not as powerful as I might believe. Where
> do you get that information from? The Bible? Who do you think could ever
> beat a God who can do the things you yourself say He has done? He can
> destroy cities and people at His mere command. He can destroy the world
> in a flood. He is planning to destroy all mankind at Armegeddon. Yet, you
> think He can be beaten. This is a frightening position, Paul. Because it
> is Satan himself and his anti-christ who thinks he can and tries to beat
> God. Revelations 19 says that the armies of the earth led by Satan will
> turn to fight against Christ at His return.
>
> Paul, there is an Evil-Damager God. It is Satan. He is the god of this
> world and you are believing his lies. His lies from the very beginning
> in Genesis 3.
>
> > If I have ``hurt God,'' as you say, then I am extremely proud. I doubt
> >that this has occured, because I am just one human being, and billions of
> >people still offer the sheepish whorship He has sought by inducing the belief
> >into our minds about how good He is despite His evil doings. You are as much
> >a victim of this as the other billions, Dan. I feel truly sorry for you. If
> >you feel you are suffering, it is because you have fallen for His lines and
> >now sympathize with Him, despite what you know about His evil. If you feel
> >as honored as Paul did to suffer, then you have fallen for God's biggest
> >lie: ``Suffering for me is good.'' Why do you believe this?
>
> Suffering is inevitable. It came upon us when Adam disobeyed God. Death
> was introduced into the world at that time. Adam was warned. He didn't
> listen. But God, rich in mercy, immediately spoke of the hope to come
> in the one who would bruise the serpants head, the seed of the woman.
>
> Any suffering that has come to Christians has come at the hand of men.
> Don't blame God for Nero and the other Ceaser's persecutions. Don't blame
> God for the Inquisition and the persecution of the Reformers. Don't blame
> God for the persecution behind the Iron Curtain, until you can give me
> good solid evidence that He is responsible. Until then the evidence is
> obvious. I have never seen the hand of God nail a man's limbs to a hunk
> of wood, or release the switch on a guillitine. I have never seen God
> toss men into a filthy, diseased prison cell to watch him rot. I have
> never seen God light the match to burn a man at the stake. Jesus said,
> "They hated me, they shall also hate you!" They have proven Him right
> down through the ages.
>
> I don't seek to suffer and I have not really suffered very much. However,
> if I should one day find myself in the position of my brothers and sisters
> behind the Iron Curtain, than so be it. It won't be because of an Evil-
> Damager God, but an evil-damager human race that kills it's own for sport
> and gain! Suffering in and of itself is NOT good. But God has used even
> the self-inflicted suffering of our evil race for His glory and our benifit.
>
> God said, "All things work together for good to those who love God." This
> includes suffering. Let me explain how.
>
> Man is in rebellion against God. He seeks after his own way. He does his
> own thing, excluding God. Genesis 4 thru 11 illustrates this. Romans ch.1
> talks about it. Even as Christians, we are still inclined to rebellion.
> Paul talks about this in Romans ch. 5-7. To be born-again is the beginning
> of a new life. At this point God begins to teach us His ways and conform
> us to the image of His perfect Son. But we rebel at times not wanting to
> give up our old ways and sins. Only when we allow ourselves to be controlled
> by God's spirit can we grow and experience His grace and love.
>
> Suffering causes us to seek God. When things are going our way we tend
> to get self-sufficient and selfish. When we suffer, we remember who we
> are and what is really important. It draws us to Christ.
>
> Through suffering He is there ready to embrace me and help me through it.
> It is at this time that I come to experience the goodness of God and the
> Life that He offers. Like Peter said, "Where could we go, Rabbi, You have
> the words of eternal Life!"
>
> > As I have said to others, don't waste prayers to the pig filth
> >Damager-God, on me or on you. There is no love from Him waiting for
> >anybody. Did He really ``become human flesh,'' or did He just select a man
> >as His son and dupe him into suffering for Him, in His place, then duping
> >the rest of mankind into believing it all? Why do you persistently believe
> >in God's lies when you have already said that you know better, that you have
> >questioned the goodness of God? Why the heck did you stop?
>
> Here again you have created your own belief about Christ. Where have you
> recieved your information? "Select a man and dupe him into suffering..."
> Wow! Your theory is based on assumptions just like this. You say that
> God is a liar, therefore what He says in the Bible must be lies. Than you
> go about telling us what are lies and what are not. Nothing but assumptions!
>
> Have you ever considered the possibility that you are evil, Paul? I mean
> in the biblical sense that all mankind is evil. Have you ever examined
> your heart objectively? Do you find yourself pure? Of course, you can
> always blame the Evil-Damager God for your evil because He created you,
> right?
>
> Why God created man, knowing he would fall, I can not answer. But I can
> say that I am glad I am here. I am glad God did create me. I am glad He
> gave me a choice to follow Him or reject Him. I chose to reject Him for
> the first 20 years of my life. Than after a brief period of serving Him,
> I rebelled again for a few years. I have great joy in the knowledge that
> God not only created me knowing I would fall, but He paid the price for
> my rebellion, and He saved me, knowing that I would rebel again and again.
>
> First John chapter one says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and
> Just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
>
> To confess means to agree with God concerning our sins. This is a
> characteristic of a Christian. We are the ones who agree with God about
> our sinfullness and rebellion. And He is faithful and Just to forgive
> us. Than He gives us eternal Life with Him in His Glory!
>
> Paul, I apologize for calling you a monster. But tell me, if there was
> someone you loved dearly and had experienced their love and goodness towards
> you, and someone called that person a pig monster, evil, damaging being, etc.
> do you think it might provoke you to think that person was not quite right.
> What do you think you might say to that person?
>
> I did think through the things you said about God. I considered them
> carefully. I didn't just write them off. I can see how one would
> blame God for evil things that happen to them and around them. But I
> also believe that this is because we are short-sighted and have corrupt
> vision. Try to see things from Gods point of view and from an eternal
> aspect. God has His reasons for doing things. If we don't understand
> them, that doesn't make them evil. Remember, if He created us, He must
> be smarter than us. If He is infinite, than how can we being finite
> understand Him completely. Don't let the Evil-Damaging Satan trick you
> with his lies as he did Adam and Eve. Trick you into questioning God's
> actions, attitudes, and motives! Don't be a sheepish follower of the
> god of this world, Satan, and succumb to his treachery and deceit. You
> know what evil he is capable of and has done. He will be beaten someday
> by the True and Almighty One.
>
> Choose this day who you will serve: As for me and my house, we will
> serve God!
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan Boskovich

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