Response to Eliyahu Teitz - Chicken Sacrifices
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blood sacrifice with a chicken - because both the Talmud and the Torah say
'without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin' and about their
identifying the priestly line through family records.
I spoke to a Jew who claims to have seen the papers being used to establish
the Levitical line from the family records. He also told me of the sacrifices.
Afterward, the chicken is given to charity.
So that's where I got it. He said it was in Brooklyn. And that young men have
been sent to Israel to visit the site (you know where) of the future temple.
Does anyone have any close friends in the Jewish Orthodox community in Brooklyn?
(such a question?) I'd like to hear about it some more myself.
By the way, I am grateful for your response to my posting on the Torah and
Tradition. I'm reading it carefully and doing some library work as I get the
time. I don't entirely agree - so I hope to learn from you, since you seem to
have a handle on the topic, and discuss in a friendly atmosphere. (Picture me
bobbing back and forth in front of my terminal.) Satan, I'd like to sit in on
a Yeshiva course!
You stole my Rabbi story! Only mine went: after G-d (out of respect to your
sensibilities) stated who was right there was a hushed silence and the head
rabbi said, "We'll vote on it!"
By the by, from time to time there have been comments on the nets about my sign
off 'keep chargin''. I use it as a way to keep score on the men and the yuppie
people. The 'men' interprete it as it is meant - in a military context. The
'yuppies', as usual, always think of their charge cards! Sorry.
Very few things are sacred to me. You, if you have been following the Rosen
Rubber Chicken Slap Out, will have noticed (some few missed it I know, but we
know they could find no good thing in anything I did) that I often lampoon
myself - and recently even held up the dear mother of my children to the rude
yuks of the common public school mob who seem to be in the majority here on the
nets. I am not a reader of Net.rel.jewish. I do not want to cause an uproar
in net.religion.jewish. I realize that I do have a sometimes bumptious manner
of expression. (We all have our cross to bear.) Agh! I think I did it again!
I never know how to approach jews and white people. Without being patronizing,
I mean. Should I comment on . . . or just let it go. Sigh.
Anyway, I'm not trying to 'prove' anything, just understand why you believe what
you do using the same scriptures I do.
Watermellon anyone?
Keep chargin'
Ken Arndt
Eliyahu Teitz
> blood sacrifice with a chicken - because both the Talmud and the Torah say
> 'without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin' and about their
> identifying the priestly line through family records.
>
> I spoke to a Jew who claims to have seen the papers being used to establish
> the Levitical line from the family records. He also told me of the sacrifices.
> Afterward, the chicken is given to charity.
>
I thought this iswhat you were refering to. Let me explain.
Before Yom Kippur it is customary ( in some circles ) to say
a prayer called Kaparot ( forgivenessess, for lack of a better word ).
In the timewhen theTemple stood in Jerusalem sacrifices were offered.
There were many types of sacrifice. One was the sin offering. It was
given when a person transgressed a sin whose punishment, if thesin was
done intentionally, was heavenly excomunication. There were other types
of offerings brought when a person transgressed. When a person brought
his sacrifice he had to admit publicly to the sin he commited. This
admission was part of the repentence process. The person bringing the
sacrifice was supposed to see theanimal as taking his place and being
killed in his stead.
When the temple was destroyed, sacrifce ended. The rabbis instituted
prayer in place of animal sacrifice. They based this on an interpretation
ofa verse.
Before Yom Kippur, somepeople have the custom of saying kaparot, as I
said before. Theytakea chicken andswing it over their heads and say that
this chicken should be killed and that they should be spared. The chicken
is then killed in the usual Jewish way, thereby making it permissible to
be eaten. Somepeople have the custom of giving this chicken to the needy.
I don't think too many people take this to seriously be a sacrifice.
Or that there can be no forgiveness without blood. The chicken is not even
killed as part of the ceremony. It is only swung over the head three times.
As for family trees. Many people have family trees. Some people have
extensive family trees. Since no one can prove the accuracy of his or
her family tree to date back 2000 years, these family trees really don't
have much validity when it comes to associating a person with any given
tribe. Most of the laws which apply to Levites and Priests don't apply now
and will only apply when the Temple is rebuilt. When this happens, Eliyahu
the prophet, will straighten out everyone's family tree. I don't know how
he'll do it but I'll worry about it when he comes.
> You stole my Rabbi story! Only mine went: after G-d (out of respect to your
> sensibilities) stated who was right there was a hushed silence and the head
> rabbi said, "We'll vote on it!"
>
My story appears in the Talmud, with the ending that I gave.
Eliyahu Teitz.