Scariest Movies
steve shiue
Okay gang. How about a list of the movies we find
the most frightening, terrifying, etc? Please don't put
down any entries that simply revolted you by being gory,
disgusting, etc. (because if you did, John Waters' "Pink
Flamingoes" would head all lists). Without making any great
effort to rack my brain for titles, I'll toss off a few
titles that come immediately to mind.
1. "Wait Until Dark", starring Audrey Hepburn as a blind
woman being terrorized by hoods looking for a doll filled
with heroin. Alan Arkin as the chief hood creates one of
the most evil screen personas ever.
2. "The Thing". I refer to the one filmed around 1982,
directed by John Carpenter (of "Halloween" and "Escape from
New York" fame) and starring Kurt Russell (you know - the
guy who used to star in all those Disney movies like "The
Computer Wore Tennis Shoes").
3. "The Evil Dead". I believe that this starred and was
filmed by Michigan State University (correct me if I'm
wrong) students, including the director Sam Raimi. A little
blurb at the end of the film touts it as "The ultimate
experience in grueling horror", and they kid you not - this
one is not for the faint-hearted. Attentive film-goers will
note a little salute to this film in Wes Craven's recent
"Nightmare on Elm St." Any information on other films that
Sam Raimi might have made would be greatly appreciated.
4. "Don't be Afraid of the Dark". I was surprised at how
scary this made-for-TV movie (circa mid '70's, I believe)
was. It concerned these vicious, tiny gnome-like creatures
that lived in the basement or under the fireplace of the
house that the hapless heroin inherited. Saw it too long
ago to be able to tell if it is in the same league as the 3
entries above.
One film that has a reputation as being terrifying
is "Night of the Hunter", starring Robert Mitchum and
Shelley Winters (Mitchum plays an evil priest who has the
words "love" and "hate" tatooed on either hand), but I only
have this on the words of friends and Stephen King (in his
fantastic book, Danse Macabre).
So how about it? Suggestions? Entries?
-Steve Shiue
"Ah, they're dead - they're all messed up."
-Sherriff in "Night of the Living Dead"
pa...@puff.uucp
Believe it was "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot". Another almost guess is that
it starred Robert Redford and Jeff Bridges.
Chris Pauer
"RegnadKcin"
steve shiue
> Believe it was "Thunderbolt and Lightfoot". Another almost guess is that
> it starred Robert Redford and Jeff Bridges.
>
> Chris Pauer
I believe that it starred Clint Eastwood & Jeff
Bridges. Not sure who directed it.
-Steve Shiue
"I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill,
I'd set him in chains at the top of the hill,
And send for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
So he could die happily ever after."
-Bob Dylan
mb...@ada-uts.uucp
Night of the Hunter, made in the mid-50s, was the only film that Charles
Laughton ever directed. It was GREAT. Brooding atmosphere, great camera
work. Too bad Laughton never directed another film.
BTW, Mitchum (in perhaps the best performance of his career) played
a murdering minister, not a priest. Back in those days, Hollywood would
never portray a priest that way.
Laura Frank Clifford
1. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The ultimate and it's not even particularly gory, just implied.
2. Halloween
It may have been responsible for tons of bad slasher films,
but it was well done and is one of the only horror movies that
had a large segment in daytime that was still scary.
3. The Exorcist
4. Carrie
5. Rosemary's Baby
Sorry - but I Love horror films and am always on the lookout for a good
one (I hate films that resort to the "jump out" stuff - like cats jumping
on garbage cans.) I rented "The Evil Dead" with VERY high expectations
and laughed throughout - it was too ludicrous.
Laura Clifford
Al Sary
Actually, it starred Clint Eastwood (not Robert Redford) and Jeff Bridges.
bradford wilson
> one (I hate films that resort to the "jump out" stuff - like cats jumping
> on garbage cans.) I rented "The Evil Dead" with VERY high expectations
> and laughed throughout - it was too ludicrous.
>
> Laura Clifford
I think that your laughter was actually a reaction to the intense
anxiety you unconsciously felt while watching THE EVIL DEAD. Although I think
that the film had (intentionally?) funny moments, it was also somewhat scary.
My nominations for scariest movies are:
HALLOWEEN
NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET
THE THING (Carpenter's)
DIE, MONSTER, DIE (starring B. Karloff)
WAIT UNTIL DARK
CARRIE
BURNT OFFERINGS (the car escape, the house falling apart)
THE EVIL DEAD ('nuf said)
The Wombat .:.
"You bastards! Why are you torturing me like this?"
- E. Dead
Ellen Eades
Even though the critics panned it, I thought it was *amazingly*
frightening, and very much in the Hitchcock tradition. I went
to see it with a friend who works in special effects, and while
he was getting excited about the camera angles, I was getting
terrified. In fact, as I glanced away from the screen for the
umpteenth time, I found welcome distraction in watching the
couple next to me -- over the course of the movie, the girl
slowly moved out of her seat and into her boyfriend's lap. It
was a good movie!
--
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Who's been repeating all that hard stuff to you?"
"I read it in a book," said Alice.
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
tektronix!reed!ellen
Michael S. Leibow
>How about -
>......
>......
>5. Rosemary's Baby
>
>Sorry - but I Love horror films and am always on the lookout for a good
>one (I hate films that resort to the "jump out" stuff - like cats jumping
>on garbage cans.) I rented "The Evil Dead" with VERY high expectations
>and laughed throughout - it was too ludicrous.
>
>Laura Clifford
I agree. Rosemaries baby was an excellent movie. It
wasn't anywhere near as ludicrous as "The Evil Dead."
I must admit, I was laughing throughout "The Evil Dead." also.
Michael S. Leibow
aur...@uiucuxc.cso.uiuc.edu
It's a bit strange that I am posting a response about
horror movies, because I don't usually watch them or
care for them. Some reasons are 1) I don't really crave
the experience of being scared, 2) I don't find most alleged
"horror" films horrifying - most are just, as others mentioned,
poor films which simply go for shocks and gore.
One, though, deserves mention - CAT PEOPLE (starring Nastassia
Kinski). There is little actual "gore," but the *tension* in
many scenes is merciless. It has interesting characters that
you can get involved with, that you care about.
The premise is bizarre, but it has a plot that is meaningful
APART from the terrorizing aspects.
It contrasts Kinski's character (sorry, can't remember
names) with that of her brother. Both live under the same "curse".
The brother is a slave to his fate but Kinski is able to conquer
it through her love for the curator.
Great storytelling, and genuinely frightening.
S. Aurenz
vsh
The Exorcist -- unsettling, to say the least.
--
Steve Harris | {allegra|ihnp4|cbosgd|ima|genrad|amd|harvard}!\
Pixel Systems Inc. | wjh12!pixel!vsh
300 Wildwood Street |
Woburn, MA 01801 | 617-933-7735 x2314
FricklasK
a low budget film about a man who works as a bartender, starts going out
with the bar-owners wife, and the bar owner hires a detective to kill them
both. Probably the best thriller I've ever seen. All took place in Texas-
the only problem I had with it was trying to understand the accents at the
beginning of the film. Best last line I've seen in a thriller.
'`'`
Ken
`'`'
Lynn Gurske
How about When a stranger calls.
After seeing that one I wouldn't baby sit for any amount
of money.
==============================================================================
from the office of the mighty
SSS KK KK EEEEEEEE !!
SS SS KK KK EE !!
SS KK KK EE !!
SSS KKKK EEEEE !!
SS KK KK EE !!
SS SS KK KK EE
SSS KK KK EEEEEEEE !!
Lynn E. Gurske
ECS/mfg Tektronix
Wilsonville, OREGON 97070
60-640
John Hofbauer
> Kinski). There is little actual "gore," but the *tension* in
This is a remake (more or less) of a 1942 RKO film of the same name.
It was the first of a series of minor classics produced by Val Lewton.
Lewton, a highly cultured Russian emigre, was saddled by the studio
with a miniscule budget, even for those days, and a set of impossible
titles such as CAT PEOPLE, CURSE OF THE CAT PEOPLE, I WALKED WITH A
ZOMBIE, etc. Rather than make the expected type of third rate horror
movie with people wearing moth-eaten cat costumes, he decided to
suggest the transformations and let the audience's imagination fill
in the details. The result was a series of highly entertaining and
intelligent thrillers. Incidently Lewton gave Robert Wise and Mark
Robson their first opportunity to direct with films in this series.
The Kirk Douglas character in THE BAD AND THE BEAUTIFUL (1952) is
modelled, in part, on Lewton. In one scene he is faced with producing
a B picture with moth-eaten costumes. This clearly offends his sense
of taste and so he decides to merely suggest the creatures, a la CAT
PEOPLE. John Houseman who produced this film was a friend of Lewton's.
Trevor Flory
I think this was ``Blood Simple''.
--
Trevor K. Flory UUCP: ...!ihnp4{!alberta}!sask!zaphod!flory
Develcon Electronics Ltd. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, CANADA
"... the play is the tragedy, `Man',
And its hero the Conqueror Worm."
Poe, c.1838
Hank Buurman
30th edition of the Portland Oregonian, Robert Lindstrom, author:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"What follows is a list of 13 of the spookiest movies available on
videocassette. After the candy bowl is empty on Halloween, try one.
With the lights off. With the doors locked.
BEST STALK-AND-SLASH-FILM
Don't people turn on lights when they enter a dark room? Won't
people lock their doors anymore? Why do teenage girls go for midnight
strolls in their underwear? These were the questions we never bothered
to ask while caught up in the fears of director John Carpenters `HALLOWEEN'.
....hundreds of movies tried to cash in on the idea of a brutal killer
stalking teenagers on the make.
Forget them. The first is still the best.
BEST BIG SCARE
You've decided the movie is just about over. The popcorn box is
empty and on the floor. You've put on your coat. Just then, director
Brian de Palma slugs you across the room with one of the biggest shocks
in horror films. ...`CARRIE' is a slick, exciting picture from beginning
to end. But watch out for that last drop.
BEST BIG-BUDGET GROSS-OUT
Stay away from those big macs before watching John Carpenter's
1982 remake of `THE THING' or the only attack you'll have will be in-
digestion. ...this thing can turn itself into any shape, sometimes in
full, fascinating and disgusting view of the camera.
This remake doesn't have the surprises of the 1951 Christian
Nyby original, but when the husky dog's head splits apart to reveal it's
drooling contents, you'll know you're not in the '50's anymore.
MOST OUTRAGEOUS USE OF GORE
The performances are crude, and it looks as if the entire budget
was around $793.38. But rest assured most of that money was spent on
stage blood to make `THE EVIL DEAD' the ultimate in stomach-churning,
blood-letting, horrific nonsense.
Every human body part that can possibly be punched, bruised,
cut, slashed, chopped or shattered gets a workout...
...Both a shocker and a satire, `THE EVIL DEAD' takes the gore
film to amusing but gross limits.
SCARIEST CREATURE
`The Thing' was obnoxious, but the `ALIEN' is obnoxious and
indestructible. With incredible visuals designed by H.R. Giger and Ridley
Scott's TV-commercial slick direction, `ALIEN' is one of the most
frightening horror films of all time.
Yes, it does have the look of science fiction, but `ALIEN' is
horror all the way. A spaceship crew unknowingly allows aboard an alien
being with a genius for survival. ...At any minute this constantly
changing being can leap out of the shadows to claim it's victim....
Scriptwriter Dan O'Bannon and pals borrowed heavily from "The
Thing' and `It! The Terror From Beyond Space.' Still, though it has
been seen before, the formula has never been done with more style or
more eye-popping scares.
BEST REAL-LIFE HORRORS
Man's inhumanity to man is part and parcel of horror cinema,
and that inhumanity has seldom seemed more cruel or disturbing than in
`THE HONEYMOON KILLERS.' Shot in newsreellike black and white, the film is
based on the true crime story of a couple who romantically involve `lonly-
hearts' women and kill them for their money.
The semi-documentary style and low budget give `THE HONEYMOON
KILLERS' a sweaty authenticity that only adds to the outrage of the story.
As the killers, Tony Lo Bianco and the incredible Shirley Stoler couldn't
be better. Their performances drip sleaze.
BEST PSYCHOLOGICAL THRILLER
A young woman, alone in an apartment for a weekend, gradually
comes to grips with her sexual terrors and disintegrating sanity. It's
mind against man in `REPULSION,' director Roman Polanski's first english
language film.
...The beautiful Catherine Deneuve endures the wolf whistles of
construction workers. She is repelled by her sister's promiscuity. But
social tension turns to abberation and Deneuve can no longer distinguish
between real and imagined terrors.
...This is one of the few involving, thought-provoking horror
films and was made with a first rate cast and director. Use this to
scare the wits out of your intellectual friends.
BEST SHOWER SCENE
...-`PSYCHO' has it all. If you haven't seen it recently, you
owe yourself another chance to be scared. Just be sure you clean up
before you turn on the VCR. You won't want to shower later.
WIERDEST IMAGERY
Is it a horror film or just a friendly warning how not to
live life? `ERASERHEAD' will have viewers shifting and shuddering
without being quite sure why.
...bizarre visuals...unsettling situations...A cult film...
`ERASERHEAD' may be artsy and incomprehensible, but it also
clings to the mind like mold.
BEST ZOMBIE CANNIBALS
The competition is fierce here. Films such as `I Dismember
Mama' and `Please Don't Eat My Mother' are fierce contenders, but
George Romero's influential `THE NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD' takes the
award.
Corpses are rising from the grave to attack and consume the
living. A troop of innocents are trapped in an old house that is
surrounded by the shuffling, munching dead ones.
In the tradition of great horror, Romero went one step beyond
1960's good taste and made movie history. He also opened a Pandora's
Box of terrible gore films.
WITTIEST HORROR FILM
Vincent Price has devoted a lifetime of broad acting to the
horror genre but never more effectivly than in `THE ABOMINABLE DR.
PHIBES.' The film tells of a crazed entertainer who returns from
near death to murder the doctors who lost his wife on the operating
table. And just to show he's a guy with style, he models his revenge
on the biblical plagues of Egypt.
Set in London during the early 30's, `Dr. Phibes' never stops
laughing up it's sleeve, beginning with the gaudy art deco sets and
continuing to the incredibly invoved murder scenes. Vincent and a steller
cast of british character actors are, well, priceless.
GOTHIC HORROR CLASSIC
Universal Studio's original `Dracula' and `Frankenstein' have
their charm, but `THE BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN' is a gothic phantasmagoria.
Director James Whale packed this masterpiece with sly chuckles
and breathtaking expressionistic sets. The creation of the bride remains
the best mad laboratory scene ever filmed. Whale combined the towering
proportions of the set, eccentricly flashing lab equipment, Boris Karloff's
and Colin Clive's compelling performances and composer Franz Waxman's
eerie music, into a poetry of horror. See it, cherish it, enjoy it.
BEST HORROR FILM
Some people have refused to see `THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE' on
the basis of the title alone. Yet, Tobe Hooper's first and best movie
has relatively little gore. What it does have is incredibly visceral
violence, mind-warping situations and a pace that makes roller coasters
feel like a rest cure.
A visit to grandpa's old house descends into total, illogical
horror as a group of young people encounter a family of sickies on the
Texas plains.
Hooper creates a world where all the pieces are familiar and
nothing seems to fit. One nightmare follows another until the viewer
loses all contact with rational reality. Whether straight shocker or
black comedy, `THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE' steps solidly past the
bounds of reason and straight to the scare centers."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Happy Halloween net.people. Hank
m.r.leeper
>Okay gang. How about a list of the movies we find the most
>frightening, terrifying, etc?
I really tried to stay out of the bad film listing game, but I suppose
being really scary is a virtue. The scariest films would come to
people's attention. The one problem is that I haven't been really
scared by a film in years. A friend describes when we both saw JAWS
for the first time. He describes it as "[He] was scared shitless and
Mark was sitting there saying, 'The shark really didn't look realistic
in that scene.' I like horror films as a genre because it is
interesting to see the techniques used, I even feel a building of
tension. But I don't actually get frightened. That may come of having
seen too many horror films. Fiction rarely scares me, and if it does,
radio horror is much more likely to scare me than film. I am not sure
if you want to open this discussion to non-fiction, but the French
documentary about concentration camps NIGHT AND FOG, I find pretty
frightening. (How pretentious of me to mention it!)
As for fiction films that have scared me, my parents claim that when I
saw WAR OF THE WORLDS at age 2 it really scared me. I remember being
bored by it. Years later, after a period of being willing to hock both
my parents for a chance to see the film again, I was surprised at how
much of the film I remembered semi-accurately. Still, I don't think
that counts as being super-scary. The last film I remember being
really scared at was PSYCHO at age 9. Films that I have seen since
that have come the closest to really scaring me are NIGHT OF THE LIVING
DEAD (some of the scenes still feel very real) and (here comes da'
flames) COUNT YORGA: VAMPIRE. The latter is low budget exploitation,
but it was also a sharp and interesting contrast to Hammer's vampires.
YORGA introduced vampires who were faster, much less sedate, and much
more savage. They were much more in the tradition of the real vampire
legends. Stoker's cultured vampire was supposed to be a marked
contrast to the loathsome creature of the legends. Since then most
vampires have been portrayed as cultured gentlepeople. The vampires in
the Hammer films would slowly creep up on you looking hungrily at your
neck, and perhaps when you weren't looking would slowly take a nip. In
YORGA, before you knew there were vampires around they would attack
like a pack of wild dogs and start chewing pieces out of you.
Two more films to look for in the genre CARNIVAL OF SOULS is a
super-low-budget piece that is really, really good. Very eerily
filmed. Also look for a film known as either LEMORA or LADY DRACULA.
It falls down in the second half, but till then it is really
nightmarish. These are both films made on a shoestring that put their
higher priced brothers to shame.
Mark Leeper
...ihnp4!mtgzz!leeper
showard
> Kinski). There is little actual "gore," but the *tension* in
> many scenes is merciless. It has interesting characters that
> you can get involved with, that you care about.
> The premise is bizarre, but it has a plot that is meaningful
> APART from the terrorizing aspects.
> It contrasts Kinski's character (sorry, can't remember
> names) with that of her brother. Both live under the same "curse".
> The brother is a slave to his fate but Kinski is able to conquer
> it through her love for the curator.
>
> Great storytelling, and genuinely frightening.
>
>
> S. Aurenz
seen the original (details escape me, but I'm almost sure it was B&W). In
the original, the audience doesn't know (as it does in the remake) whether
these people actually turn into cats or not. On the other hand, the original
didn't have a Bowie soundtrack.
--Mr. Blore, the DJ who would not die
--aka Steve Howard, ...udenva!showard
sh...@duts.uucp
> a low budget film about a man who works as a bartender, starts going out
> with the bar-owners wife, and the bar owner hires a detective to kill them
> Ken
Blood Simple, a film noir supreme.
--
Shiva, Amdahl
stuart gove
The name of the movie is "Blood Simple" and I think it is an excellent
film, primarily for the way that humor was used in such unsettling
circumstances. Great soundtrack, too.
Stuart Gove
Boeing Computer Services
"Support the peace movement, or I'll kill you."
Dave Brower
'Blood Simple' The detective (and only name actor) was J. Emmet Walsh,
who was also Harrison Ford's boss in 'Blade Runner.'
On the -4..4 scale, a +4.
--
{amdahl|dual|sun|zehntel}\ |
{ucbvax|decvax}!mtxinu---->!rtech!daveb | "Something can always go wrong"
ihnp4!{phoenix|amdahl}___/ |
Bert S.F. Lo
> seen the original (details escape me, but I'm almost sure it was B&W). In
> the original, the audience doesn't know (as it does in the remake) whether
> these people actually turn into cats or not. On the other hand, the original
> didn't have a Bowie soundtrack.
>
> --Mr. Blore, the DJ who would not die
> --aka Steve Howard, ...udenva!showard
Neither did the remake. David Bowie only sings the title song. All the music on
the soundtrack was composed by Giorgio Moroder (Midnight Express, Scarface,
Electric Dreams, DC Cab, Metropolis 1984, ...)
_____________________Bert S.F. Lo (l...@harvard.HARVARD.EDU)_____________________
Laura Frank Clifford
the music for.
By the by, I seem to recall the original posting claiming that "Cat People"
was not gory (the remake) -- what about the scene where the panther rips a
guy's arm off?? This was excessively gory.
m.r.leeper
>If you thought the remake was tense and suspenseful, you
>should have seen the original (details escape me, but I'm
>almost sure it was B&W).
horror and semi-horror films produced by Val Lewton in the 40's. All
were done in black and white.
>In the original, the audience
>doesn't know (as it does in the remake) whether these people
>actually turn into cats or not.
won't say which way, but by the end of the film the audience knows if
the legend is true or not.
I am Philistine enough to like some remakes over their originals. I
would include CAT PEOPLE, INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, ALL QUIET ON
THE WESTERN FRONT, and THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME. The last two are
productions for Hallmark Hall of Fame. I still haven't decided on THE
THING. No question on KING KONG, at least the second half of the
man-in-a-suit remake could be burned for all I care.
Mark Leeper
...ihnp4!mtgzz!leeper
Melissa Leffler
the scariest movie I have ever seen is "THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE,"
based on a book by Shirley Jackson (I believe this is the author).
Granted, I originally saw the movie when I was 12 and alone in the
house on a rainy night, but I have seen it three times now, and think
that the suspense is terrific. Has anyone else seen this?
--
UUCP : ...!harvard!bu-cs!msl
ARPA : msl%bu-cs...@csnet-relay.arpa
BITNET: enl21301@bostonu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When it comes, the Landscape listens -
Shadows - hold their breath -
When it goes, 'tis like the Distance
On the look of Death -
excerpt from '66' - Emily Dickinson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Kirby
>I have been keeping quiet, but I can no longer resist. I think
>the scariest movie I have ever seen is "THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE,"
>based on a book by Shirley Jackson (I believe this is the author).
This is the single best haunted house movie ever to come out. I have it
on tape; the name of the movie is "House on a Haunted Hill," based on
the novel, "The Haunting of Hill House." It stars Julie Harris in one
of her best acting roles.
The movie has all the classic scenes, with the most haunted-looking
house (viewed from outside or inside) that I have ever seen in a movie.
This movie, made in the early 1960's, predates demons and ghoulies,
but the ghosts are scary enough. The ghosts, incidentally, are never
shown, except for a brief glimpse of a white blur at the end of the
movie.
My favourite line, which is typical of the eerie screenplay in the
movie, is when the main character was warned, "Don't go into Hill
House at night. The dead are not quiet at Hill House."
I have seen this movie over and over since I was 8 years old. I never
get tired of it. Although it no longer scares the wits out of me, I
still feel this disconcerting chill come over me whenever they show
the outside view of the house.
Not a four-star movie, by most critics, but it's one of my favourites.
"...And for 90 years, Hill House has stood... uninhabited by the
living... and we who walk in Hill House... walk alone."
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Kirby ( ...!ihnp4!akgub!cylixd!dave)
(The views expressed herein are the exclusive property of Dave Kirby.
Any person, living or dead, found with the same or similar opinions
will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of law.)
e.c.leeper
> the scariest movie I have ever seen is "THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE,"
> based on a book by Shirley Jackson (I believe this is the author).
The film THE HAUNTING was based on the book THE HAUNTING OF HILL HOUSE
by Shirley Jackson. This is not to be confused with the film
THE LEGEND OF HELL HOUSE, which was based on the book HELL HOUSE
by Richard Matheson. Nor should they be confused with the film
HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL, which was made by William Castle and was not
apparently based on anything.
Evelyn C. Leeper
...ihnp4!mtgzz!ecl
******************************************************************************
* Get a Usenetter on the ballot at Confederation! *
* Nominate MARK R. LEEPER for Hugo for Best Fan Writer in 1986! *
******************************************************************************