could you hear me scream ? (or: "why I hate domains")
Werner Uhrig
some folks are trying to convince me that I am unreasonable in my complaints
about addressing problems, ever since this domain-addressing started.
See and have pity ... (BTW, let me repeat: I *LOVE* the concept of domains,
I *HATE* the implementation so far - at least around here, which, from what
I hear, is not dissimilar from what many of you out there also experience)
Here I get this message:
Message 41 (1370 characters):
Posted-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 86 11:11:54 edt
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 86 11:11:54 edt
From: seismo!utcs.ARPA!mnetor!sc...@ut-sally.UUCP (Scott Campbell)
To: wer...@ut-ngp.UUCP
....
Scott J.M. Campbell
-------------------
Bitnet: SCOTT at UTORONTO
UUCP: {utzoo, ihnp4, cbosgd, mnetor, utcsri}!utcs!scott
arpa/csnet: sc...@utcs.toronto.edu
[Note: ut-ngp, when I am not logged in, forwards my mail to another machine,
but that has no bearing here. just in case you wonder about the
TOPS-20 MM-commands used here ...]
R>rep
No such host as "ut-sally.UUCP", address ignored
....
S>to sc...@utcs.toronto.edu
?Unrecognized host name "utcs.toronto.edu"
S>to scott@utcs
?Unrecognized host name "utcs"
S>to sc...@utcs.arpa
?Unrecognized host name "utcs.arpa"
S>to sc...@utcs.csnet
[ so, my machine accepted the last version, which is, of course, no guarantee
that it will do the right thing to get the mail there ....
..... most users on this machine simply would not know enough about the net
to be able to "hand-knit" an address and would scoff at the idea that
they should know.
BTW: note how seismo (I suspect) sneaked "utcs.ARPA" into the return-path.
it probably means that if I'd send the message to:
scott%utcs...@seismo.css.com
then seismo would know what to do with it. Ahh, but you'd have to
first know that seismo is seismo.css.gov .....
Oh, well ....
I post this, not to make make anyone feel guilty or responsible, only to
demonstrate a case of which I have seen hundreds just like it over the last
couple of months. Aggravating and time-consuming, especially when they
come bouncing back from some other site that can't figure out what to do
with a particular address.
]
Werner Uhrig
>
> [ so, my machine accepted the last version, which is, of course, no guarantee
> that it will do the right thing to get the mail there ....
Murphy, Murphy .... my machine came back and complained about that "unknown
site", so I remail the message to address "scott%utcs@csnet-sh" which I
would have sworn would work (it always did in the past). Seems as if we
recently acquired a new HOSTS-table which redefines CSNET-SH to be SH.CS.NET.
little good that did me, as the excerpt from the returned mail below shows.
As a last attempt, I just culled the numeric Internet-address out of the
HOSTS-table. but Scott, if you should be reading this and wondered why you
never heard from me again: I'M GIVING UP AFTER THIS ATTEMPT - no matter what!
Message failed for the following:
scott%ut...@SH.CS.NET.#Internet: 550 (BHST) Unknown host/domain name in "scott%ut
c...@SH.CS.NET"