I'm disgusted. By disregarding the outcry against politicizing USENET,
these Nicaraguan supporters are doing just what their political comrades
do: they take advantage of existing structures, existing forums of free
exchange of ideas, to propagate ideas that would undermine the very
structures they abuse. They break any rules they want, THEY don't have
to follow the USENET conventions. Again they are like their political
counterparts - what Communist government ever followed the rules of democracy
or kept any treaty it made? Nicaragua is following that path - the leftists
kicked out or killed the people who helped bring about the overthrow of
Samoza. America gave millions of dollars to the new government, but Ortega
took over and invited Russians and Russian influence there. Does anyone
really want to see us supporting the present government of Nicaragua?
I'd like to see us flood their telephone numbers with complaints, and I
hope that those of us who see through their lies will be willing to
take a stand, even here, on the unbloody battlefield of USENET.
decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-gold!cmullen
If you're so concerned about politicizing USENET, why did you
post this puerile diatribe? If we can put up with headhunters
essentially having free use of the net for profit, surely solicitation
of volunteers by a non-profit organization is permissible.
I found the posting informative and interesting, and though not useful to me
personally, inoffensive - certainly less offensive than the followup quoted
above. I think they should be allowed to post such articles.
Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam; steven@mcvax
>I'd like to see us flood their telephone numbers with complaints, and I
>hope that those of us who see through their lies will be willing to
>take a stand, even here, on the unbloody battlefield of USENET.
You can do whatever you damn please, but if you're going to argue over
political opinions, do it in net.politics. It's unfortunate that the poster
of the original article is so obnoxious as to post it to several groups,
knowing full well that unthinking people will post followups to all of
those same groups. However, there is no need for those with opinions
different from those expressed in the original article to compound the
crime by carrying on this useless controversy outside of net.politics. I
apologize to the readers of the several groups this article will appear
in, but I hope they will forgive me when they realize that my main point
is:
CARRY ON POLITICAL ARGUMENTS IN NET.POLITICS ONLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I believe they will agree.
Jeff Winslow
If you fail to see that hiring people on the net is a contirubtion to the
US economy, while soliciting techniREDS is leading to the destruction of free
enterpr9ise in Nicaragua and eventually here, then you are an idiot as well
as the fool your statements make you appear to be.
No, adherenets of suppression whoever they are should not be allowed to use
this net to hire/solicit volunteers for the butchers of Nicaragua, who have
slaughtered some 10,000 plus Mosquito Indians, and who are turning their
territory into a Gulag outpost.
I would like to see the posters of such trash prohibited from taking
advantage of this net to support communists, Sandinista or otherwise.
Would you all stand by while South AFrican supporters of apartheid asked for
onlyu@only technical support, say ApartAid? Of course not; your institutions
would pull your plug. While SA cannot ever hurt us, the reds can and will, so
the same logic should apply. Shut the hell up about hiring for the Reds or
get off the net.
Direct flames to bin/ortega/nicaragua/hell
--arlan andrews
jack
I think the point (albeit somewhat convoluted) of Ms. Mullen's article
was that it's OK to politicize, provided you do it in the proper
newsgroups. However, after making this valid point, she proceded to
violate it by politicizing a totally apolitical newsgroup!
Perhaps she should have posted to net.puerile-diatribe, or something
functionally equivalent.
Jim Sitek
"If there's one thing worse than being talked about, it's not being
talked about."
Oscar Wilde as portrayed by
Graham Chapman
Tim Melanchuk {ihnp4|alberta}!sask!zaphod!timm
DITTO!!
CAN WE GET THIS STUFF OFF THE INAPPROPRIATE GROUPS and
PUT IN net.politics. If it even belongs there.
I think people on the net are intelligent enough to decide for themselves
good jobs from bad, whom they want to work for and where.
--
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Rich Ahrendt - Vaxlab Network Operations
Graphics Workstations Division
USENET / UUCP: {ihnp4, ucbvax, decvax, uw-beaver}!
tektronix!tekecs!richa
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Could both (all) sides of this "discussion" please keep it out of
"net.micro.pc" ... please?
Thank you,
/kim
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DDD: 408-720-1700 x231
USPS: MIPS Computer Systems Inc, 930 E. Arques Av, Sunnyvale, CA 94086
CIS: 76535,25
Ok. Thanks for the info. Now please take the ensuing discussion
elsewhere. Please do not put it in net.micro.apple.
________________________________________________________________________________
Sean Kamath
UUCP {ihnp4,decvax,ucbcad,hplabs}!tektronix!reed!kamath
US Snail: Box 395 Reed College,
Portland, OR 97202
(503) 239-7458
It is fascinating how consistently the "defense of American values" seems
to take this kind of form. What more need one say?
Tom Schlesinger, Plymouth State College, Plymouth, N.H. 03264
uucp: decvax!dartvax!psc70!psc90!tos
From the mouths of babes ..
>No, adherenets of suppression whoever they are should not be allowed to use
>this net to hire/solicit volunteers for the butchers of Nicaragua,
...
>I would like to see the posters of such trash prohibited from taking
>advantage of this net to support communists, Sandinista or otherwise.
.....
> Shut the h**l up about hiring for the Reds or get off the net.
Ugh, surely you don't mean to SUPPRESS these messages ?
Sometimes it's enough to make you believe in censorship. Generally though the
piercing logic of your arguments, and your unique spelling, coupled with your
amazing use of short illustrative words (hell, idiot, fool, Reds, etc) show
a particularily unique mentality. Have you ever considered writing for a
living. Maybe you should show your work to the American Spectator, or the
National Enquirer! Such work can often be submitted to several sources,
with only minor changes in key wording ( Red Menance -> Evil Empire,
Totalitarian Regime -> Communist Dictatorship, Nicaragua -> Lebanon ->
Syria, South Africa -> Israel -> Honduras, etc) drastically increasing
your writing throughput.
This message has been brought to you by the Butchers For Nicaragua,
a non-profit organization dedicated to taking advantage of the net for
the express purpose of posting Red trash. And now for something completely
different ....
--
Kurt W. Allen
3M Center
ihnp4!mmm!allen
In the future, please restrict this discussion to net.politics. Thank you.
(My apologies to net.nlang, net,travel, net.micro.pc, net.micro.apple,
net.database, net.wanted, and net.jobs for cluttering your newsgroups.)
Scott Schoenthal
Valid Logic Systems
2820 Orchard Pkwy.
San Jose, CA 95134
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Valid: sas@centre
UUCP: ..!{ihnp4,pyramid,amd,hplabs}!pesnta!valid!sas
Michael L. Wicks