Election?
Neil Crellin
Ryan Tucker
>So, I guess there was an election or something. No-one has any comments?
Minnesota is being unfair in its war against Iowa. -rt
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>So, I guess there was an election or something. No-one has any comments?
Not much to talk about. Pretty status quo.
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melancholeric
Ryan Tucker <rtucker+rep...@katan.ttgcitn.com> wrote:
>On 05 Nov 1998 14:19:10 -0800, Neil Crellin <ne...@wallaby.stanford.edu> spewed:
Nazi!
rone
there was a war against iowa and nobody told me?
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melancholeric
Neil Crellin <ne...@wallaby.stanford.edu> wrote:
>So, I guess there was an election or something. No-one has any comments?
Short shameful confessions:
- I voted for Kubby for gubnor simply because of his South Park commercial.
- The three incumbent Republicans i voted for won.
Man, how does Minnesota end up with Jesse Ventura and California gets
stuck with Ronald Reagan? I mean, c'mon, who's the better actor?
rone
Jim Kingdon
Oh, let's see. San Francisco voted to tear down one of their
freeways. This just a short time after they voted to fix it. San
Francisco has done this kind of flip-flop before with respect to
freeways. Maybe it is habit-forming.
In DC, the Congress had forbidden using any funds to run the medical
marijuana initiative (which had gotten the requisite signatures). The
election authorities said, "Hmm, we already printed the ballots, so
that doesn't cost anything. We already programmed the computers to
count them, so that wouldn't cost anything. But I guess we can't
release the results". This is expected to go to court shortly.
Lots of other stuff I could post about but those seem like two of the
more entertaining (well, Ventura still is probably the most colorful
story, but people have already posted about that).
Jim Kingdon
> Now that both governors are getting ready to draw unemployment, it'll be
> interesting to see how the war goes. -rt
And if there weren't war (of sorts), it would be artistically
necessary to create one, eh?
And electing Ventura seems like the perfect way to go about this.
Ryan Tucker
>there was a war against iowa and nobody told me?
Longstanding war of sorts between the governors of Minnesota and Iowa.
Now that both governors are getting ready to draw unemployment, it'll be
interesting to see how the war goes. -rt
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Ryan Tucker
>And if there weren't war (of sorts), it would be artistically
>necessary to create one, eh?
>
>And electing Ventura seems like the perfect way to go about this.
Indeed. I hope Vilsack has balls. -rt
Kathy Pascoe
> So, I guess there was an election or something. No-one has any comments?
This was a horrid year. The campaigning in Michigan for various state
and local seats seemed like it went negative earlier and more brutally
than usual. There wasn't anyone I was enthusiastic about, except the
democratic candidate for Attorney General. Voting seemed like more of a
chore than in years past, given the choices.
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Neil Crellin
election. Many of my friends are usually quite animated in their
discussion of politics, but this year the only issues which seems to
capture their attention were incredibly local. Menlo Park's ban on
leaf blowers and Mountain View's decision to flouridate their water
supply caught more attention than anything else.
I agree with Kathy that the campaigning seemed much more brutally
negative earlier as well.
melancholeric
Kathy Pascoe <ka...@scconsult.com> wrote:
>On 05 Nov 1998 14:19:10 -0800, Neil Crellin <ne...@wallaby.stanford.edu>
>wrote:
>> So, I guess there was an election or something. No-one has any comments?
>This was a horrid year. The campaigning in Michigan for various state
>and local seats seemed like it went negative earlier and more brutally
>than usual.
TV newspeople pointed out that Barbara Boxer's campaign was going
nowhere against Fong until she started putting out negative ads, after
which polls showed her lead perceptibly rose. Does negative
campaining really work?
K. Krueger
melancholeric <rone+...@ennui.org> wrote:
>In article <36424919...@news.newsguy.com>,
>Kathy Pascoe <ka...@scconsult.com> wrote:
>>On 05 Nov 1998 14:19:10 -0800, Neil Crellin <ne...@wallaby.stanford.edu>
>>wrote:
>>> So, I guess there was an election or something. No-one has any comments?
>>This was a horrid year. The campaigning in Michigan for various state
>>and local seats seemed like it went negative earlier and more brutally
>>than usual.
>
>TV newspeople pointed out that Barbara Boxer's campaign was going
>nowhere against Fong until she started putting out negative ads, after
>which polls showed her lead perceptibly rose. Does negative
>campaining really work?
>
I _shouldn't_ vote for someone than to convince me why I should. And I
think people are very jaded about politicians promising things during
a campaign - which is the main alternative to negative ads.
Some people have successfully campaigned under a no-negative-ads philosophy,
using the backlash against them to help, but I don't think it works all
the time. If there's anything politicians pay a lot of attention to,
it's what wins elections. So, given the slew of negative ads, it's safe
to conclude that educated people with a lot at stake in the issue have
concluded that they do work.
This is perhaps even more true for ballot measures - it doesn't take a lot
of FUD tactics to get a no vote out of people. I'm sort of surprised that
in California, Prop 5 (pro-Indian gaming) passed - the pro and con ads were
so contradictory, I wasn't sure what the measure would actually do anymore.
(Although it may be a case of having a better target - it's easier to hate
Out Of State Casinos than A Few Rich Indian Tribes, which were the respective
targets of the negative ads.)
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Ryan Tucker
>My sense was that few people seemed particularly interested in this
>election. Many of my friends are usually quite animated in their
>discussion of politics, but this year the only issues which seems to
>capture their attention were incredibly local. Menlo Park's ban on
>leaf blowers and Mountain View's decision to flouridate their water
>supply caught more attention than anything else.
Which is good, in a way... the local stuff tends to affect people more
immediately. For example, this year Iowa had an amendment to the state
constitution to add "and women" after every mention of "men". Kind of a
fluff one, but it did a damned good job of getting people active at a
local level.
The President doesn't determine where parks go in your community. -rt
Eli the Bearded
Neil Crellin <ne...@wallaby.stanford.edu> wrote:
> So, I guess there was an election or something. No-one has any comments?
I think it is an incredibly fucked up that Californians have seen
fit to ban horse meat.
Elijah
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doesn't like the taste of legislated morals
Jim Kingdon
> fit to ban horse meat.
Fucked up? Yeah, I suppose. Weird? Definately, but this is
_California_ after all. Amusing? Well, I'm amused that someone would
spend the time to put something like this on the ballot.....
Mark Stapleton
wrote:
>Man, how does Minnesota end up with Jesse Ventura and California gets
>stuck with Ronald Reagan? I mean, c'mon, who's the better actor?
Better? Or more entertaining?
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