US imposes Lamb tariffs.
Neil Crellin
get to pay higher prices for lamb. Australia likely to bring a case
before the WTO. US position on free global trade looks hypocritical.
Not seeing much reporting of any of this in the US media.
-Neil
Jim Kingdon
Hmm, yes. I put "lamb" into yahoo and found lots and lots of OZ+NZ
stories on it (most of them from a few weeks ago), but nothing in the
US media.
See:
http://www.usitc.gov/er/nl1999/ER0209W1.HTM (February)
http://www.usitc.gov/er/nl1999/newslist99.htm
(look for 5 items from March 26)
The part that surprised me most was the following. I'm surprised that
US law allows it but I guess it does (I'm not a lawyer), and I would
imagine that OZ+NZ will have a strong case before the WTO.
There is no allegation of any unfair trade practices
by the foreign producers. On the basis of their
production efficiencies, product advertising
programs, and innovative marketing strategies, the
Australian and New Zealand lamb meat industries have
fairly and effectively drawn United States consumers
to their product in increasing numbers.
http://www.usitc.gov/er/nl1999/ER0326W2s2.HTM
Kate Wrightson
Neil Crellin <ne...@wallaby.cc> wrote:
>Higher tariffs ranging from 9% to 40% on imported lamb. US consumers
>get to pay higher prices for lamb. Australia likely to bring a case
>before the WTO. US position on free global trade looks hypocritical.
>Not seeing much reporting of any of this in the US media.
Americans tend not to eat a lot of lamb. I don't know why.
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Brian Edmonds
> Americans tend not to eat a lot of lamb. I don't know why.
Speaking at least for Canadians, in my experience they claim to not like
the taste. Of course, if you serve them some nice barbecued lamb, but
don't tell them what it is, they'll swear up and down how much they need
the recipe. Until you tell them it's lamb, then they'll go home looking
slightly ill. I don't know why either.
Brian.
-dsr-
Brian Edmonds <bedm...@cs.ubc.ca> writes:
> Kate Wrightson <ka...@eyrie.org> writes:
>> Americans tend not to eat a lot of lamb. I don't know why.
>Speaking at least for Canadians, in my experience they claim to not like
>the taste.
Strange people. Lamb is a staple of the local Indian and Greek places,
and generally available in supermarkets here in Boston.
I love lamb. myself, in just about any form. Chops, meatloaf, korma...
-dsr-
Hillary Gorman
Brian Edmonds <bedm...@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
*Kate Wrightson <ka...@eyrie.org> writes:
*> Americans tend not to eat a lot of lamb. I don't know why.
*
*Speaking at least for Canadians, in my experience they claim to not like
*the taste. Of course, if you serve them some nice barbecued lamb, but
*don't tell them what it is, they'll swear up and down how much they need
*the recipe. Until you tell them it's lamb, then they'll go home looking
*slightly ill. I don't know why either.
Wow, really? I wonder what the actual stats are (but am too lazy to look
them up right now). I eat lamb, and like it. I have, in fact, been working
on an informal rack-of-lamb survey here in Philadelphia - practically all
of the higher end restaurants serve some version of this dish, and most of
them are really good. Lamb is also found in the many popular ethnic
restaurants here - Indian, Ethiopian, various types of Middle
Eastern/Morrocan...and these places are always packed full of Americans
eating lamb!
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upenn school of vet med class of 2000
K. Krueger
>
>*Kate Wrightson <ka...@eyrie.org> writes:
>*> Americans tend not to eat a lot of lamb. I don't know why.
>*
My theory would be that Lambs are Cute. Americans don't like to eat
cute animals. Many Americans would never eat rabbit for the same
reason. And there's general extra cuteness points for the animal
being young - you'd never sell Bunny Bites here.
I also think that Americans have, ironically, more moral sensitivity
to eating animals largely because most Americans haven't been around
farm animals much. I'm not really that interested in debating the
morality of carnivorism (though if others want to, hey, have fun),
but it's easier for me to accept having grown up with parents that
raise cows for beef. As more people become more disconnected with
farm culture and mindset, as well as the fact that Real farm animals
are not nearly as 'cute' as the ones that do TV commercials, we've
seen more moral vegetarians show up.
(And they may be right, it could be that growing up on a farm has
desensitized me to animal killing. I'm not trying to play that game,
I'm just pontificating on why people might not eat meat, not whether
they should or not.)
(Ah, screw it. That's too defensive. I like meat. I'd probably
eat you, if I could catch you. Rarrr.)
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David Iain Greig
>In <377lo9y...@cascade.cs.ubc.ca>,
>Brian Edmonds <bedm...@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
>
>*> Americans tend not to eat a lot of lamb. I don't know why.
>*
>*the taste. Of course, if you serve them some nice barbecued lamb, but
>*don't tell them what it is, they'll swear up and down how much they need
>*the recipe. Until you tell them it's lamb, then they'll go home looking
>*slightly ill. I don't know why either.
This is not correct in my experience. And I come from a bigger
city than you, so nyah. :)
I like lamb. Cooked, anyhow. MmmmMMmmmmm. With mint sauce.
--D.
Kai Henningsen
> My theory would be that Lambs are Cute. Americans don't like to eat
> cute animals. Many Americans would never eat rabbit for the same
> reason. And there's general extra cuteness points for the animal
> being young - you'd never sell Bunny Bites here.
>
> I also think that Americans have, ironically, more moral sensitivity
> to eating animals largely because most Americans haven't been around
> farm animals much. I'm not really that interested in debating the
> morality of carnivorism (though if others want to, hey, have fun),
> but it's easier for me to accept having grown up with parents that
> raise cows for beef. As more people become more disconnected with
> farm culture and mindset, as well as the fact that Real farm animals
> are not nearly as 'cute' as the ones that do TV commercials, we've
> seen more moral vegetarians show up.
That doesn't point to moral sensitivity. It points to seriously
superficial morals - it's the surface look that decides what is good or
bad. (And we already knew that, from the skin color problems US society
has, for example.) (I'm not claiming it's a specifically US failure, only
that the US has a rather large share of it.)
I'm also seriously a city person; it's not that I don't know farm life,
but it's an exotic environment to me. And that does reflect somewhat on
food preference. But what decides my "instinct" (not that this really has
anything to do with instincts) is more along the lines of, I don't want to
have been acquainted with the individual in question, and I don't want it
to be a pet or similar typically-emotional-relation category, say horse.
(Though I'm pretty sure I've eaten horse and could not tell from the
taste.)
And I don't want to see it being killed; the one time when I saw a chicken
being plucked on a farm, my appetite went negative. I actually prefer food
which doesn't remind me what it was before, though I do eat chicken which
is still fairly obvious - well, I never claimed this was all perfectly
logical, now did I?
In my experience, I like almost every type of meat that is typically grown
specifically for consumption (now isn't that a nice disconnected way of
describing it?). Meat that's hunted down, I typically don't like very
much. I suppose it's a difference in diet and how much sports they have,
at the end; I know it's not morals because it surprised me when I first
found out about it :-)
Oh, and I seriously don't like water life - fish, mussel, crab, shrimp,
nothing. No idea why, after all I'm from the coast.
> (And they may be right, it could be that growing up on a farm has
> desensitized me to animal killing. I'm not trying to play that game,
> I'm just pontificating on why people might not eat meat, not whether
> they should or not.)
I'm not sure that really makes much of a difference. I see my share of
dead animals in the city, beginning with road kill, lots of dead insects,
dead birds ... people seem to be pretty desensitized to those deaths.
Maybe it's just the connection of death to food that weirds us out.
> (Ah, screw it. That's too defensive. I like meat. I'd probably
> eat you, if I could catch you. Rarrr.)
I like meat, but I'm not fond of the idea of long pig, to put it mildly.
Nor am I fond of killing something that feels, for whatever reason, but
I'm willing to pay other people to do it where I think it's necessary -
and I gave fate a chance (which it fortunately didn't take) to make me do
it myself, when I spent my time with the military.
Kai
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Kai Henningsen
> Strange people. Lamb is a staple of the local Indian and Greek places,
Turkish (or is that Kurdish? This always confuses me) too. And ISTR that
it has a role in the Jewish cuisine, too. And some voice is trying to tell
me some people have a tradition of eating it for Christmas.
Kate Wrightson
Kai Henningsen <kaih=7KbZE...@khms.westfalen.de> wrote:
>me some people have a tradition of eating it for Christmas.
Easter, certainly. That's the only time we can get anything but lamb chops
in our local grocery (we get steroided legs then). But Christmas in the US
tends to be turkey or ham.
Our not-quite-local international market (DeKalb, Meg, of course) has
gorgeous lamb and I buy it there. But they have an unbelievably diverse
clientele, for Atlanta anyway. They sell three different kinds of
testicles by the pound.
Followups to net.food.coffee-klatch for cooking stuff.
Georg Bauer
kaih=7KbZE...@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen) wrote:
>me some people have a tradition of eating it for Christmas.
Nah, it's more Easter than Christmas. It's mostly a time thing - you don't
have much lamb in december ...
bye, Georg
Brian Palmer
wrote:
>> Higher tariffs ranging from 9% to 40% on imported lamb. US consumers
>> get to pay higher prices for lamb. Australia likely to bring a case
>> before the WTO. US position on free global trade looks hypocritical.
>> Not seeing much reporting of any of this in the US media.
>
>Hmm, yes. I put "lamb" into yahoo and found lots and lots of OZ+NZ
>stories on it (most of them from a few weeks ago), but nothing in the
>US media.
I did a search today, and there are a few stories in what appear to be
trade rags(not overtly us, not overtly anything).
>See:
>
>http://www.usitc.gov/er/nl1999/ER0209W1.HTM (February)
>http://www.usitc.gov/er/nl1999/newslist99.htm
> (look for 5 items from March 26)
>
>The part that surprised me most was the following. I'm surprised that
>US law allows it but I guess it does (I'm not a lawyer), and I would
>imagine that OZ+NZ will have a strong case before the WTO.
>
> There is no allegation of any unfair trade practices
> by the foreign producers. On the basis of their
> production efficiencies, product advertising
> programs, and innovative marketing strategies, the
> Australian and New Zealand lamb meat industries have
> fairly and effectively drawn United States consumers
> to their product in increasing numbers.
> http://www.usitc.gov/er/nl1999/ER0326W2s2.HTM
Reading between the lines in their justification, lt looks to me like
they're saying the US government is to blame for this because it
subsidized the industry for so long; but now that the government isn't
subsidizing them anymore, the industry can't compete. And they want to
provide for a gradual preparation.
But provding a more interesting, politically complex sounding idea:
When I was searching, I ran into an outdated cache that took me to,
instead of an article on the lamb tariff issue, a story on Hillary
Clinton's race for the US Senate in New York. One of the deciding
factors in her race with New York mayor Guiliani, according to this
story, would be the farmers in upstate New York. Wouldn't it work to
Clinton's advantage to follow this recommendation, have the WTO
overturn the policy, and then he can turn to the farmers and say, "Aw
shucks. You know those odd furriners... I did my best."
-brian
Kathy Pascoe
> Americans tend not to eat a lot of lamb. I don't know why.
It's a tragedy. Lamb shawarma is the best stuff on earth.
--
Kathy Pascoe ~ ka...@scconsult.com (at home)