net.house (vote: yes, and house question)
John Purbrick
> My understanding is that water stains bleed thru paint unless you do
> something special -- what? The old paint is latex and I'd like the new
> top coat, at least, to be latex. Thanks in advance.
What to do is paint the stain with lacquer--not any other kind of varnish!!
Then paint as usual. The same treatment works for bleeding knots in wood.
Another vote here for net.house!
Mike Parker
No to net.house. Most woodworkers have a home handyman streak. Let's
save the effort of creating a new newsgroup and move the house stuff
to net.rec.wood. If I'm wrong, we'll get flamed by the woodworkers and
we can restart the net.house stuff. As it stands net.rec.wood is a very
low traffic group and would proably welcome a new topic.
mike
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Steve Schlaifer x3171 156/224
> My roof has died and I'm about to have it replaced. The
> old shingles are cedar. The options are: remove the cedar and
> install new cedar shingles, or put asbestos shingles over the old
> cedar ones (there are two grades of asbestos, 15 year and 25 year).
> Cedar looks quite a bit nicer than asbestos, but we're talking a
> factor or 2 or 3 in cost ($1.5K vs. $4K are the handwaving estimates
> I've gotten.) Any advice from folks with good or bad experiences?
> (Fiberglass shingles are also an option, but I've ruled them out
> because they look like the pits.)
I would strongly recommend that you not replace the roof with cedar
(or any other wood) shingles--there is a very high danger of fire
with a wood roof which can be greatly reduced by using asphalt or
asbestos shingles. The danger arises not so much from your house
catching fire and the roof burning but from a neighboring fire spreading
to your house when hot embers land on your roof. Even in non-forested
areas this can be quite a problem.
When I last replaced my roof, I used 15 year guarantee materials. The
roof is actually expected to last a little longer than the guarantee time
and the installer told us 15 year lasted about 20 and 25 year about 35.
So, I was 30 at the time and in 20 years would be 50; in 35 years I would
be 65 and maybe retired. Better I should have to replace the roof a second
time when I was 50 and still gainfully employed than have to do it when I was
near retirement.
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Susan Williams
>No to net.house. Let's move the house stuff to net.rec.wood...
I vote yes for net.house. What does roofing and plumbing and
tiling and installing driveways etc. have to do with woodwork?
Topher Eliot
>
> What to do is paint the stain with lacquer--not any other kind of varnish!!
> Then paint as usual. The same treatment works for bleeding knots in wood.
This is quite different from all the advice on the subject that I have ever
received, and from what I have (successfully) done in the past. What I
have been told to use is SHELLAC. What I have used is "stain killer" which
sure looks like white shellac to me. It is available in 8-oz cans. Use a
cheap brush and throw it away when you're done.
We used this in house I occupied where we were convinced that some former
resident had died there while engaged in an orange-juice fight. The ghost
kept coming back and leaving dribbles (not just stains, but 3-dimensional
drips) of orange stuff all over the plaster (not wood). This would wash
off with soap and water (!), but required a coat of stain-killer to keep it
from coming back. Exceedingly weird.
Cheers,
Topher Eliot Cyb Systems, Austin, TX (512) 835-2266
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Paul M. Dubuc
>
>Can't some network guru get net.house started? Meanwhile, here're
>two house questions:
I think net.house is a good idea too.
>1.
Was answered by someone else.
>2. There's a large water stain on a plaster ceiling (guess why...)
>My understanding is that water stains bleed thru paint unless you do
>something special -- what? The old paint is latex and I'd like the new
>top coat, at least, to be latex. Thanks in advance.
Paint the stain with some shellac (sp?) and let that dry. Then paint
the ceiling as you normally would.
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Mike Parker
>> > ... stain bleeds through latex paint ...
>>
>> What to do is paint the stain with lacquer--not any other kind of varnish!!
>> Then paint as usual. The same treatment works for bleeding knots in wood.
>
>This is quite different from all the advice on the subject that I have ever
>received, and from what I have (successfully) done in the past. What I
>have been told to use is SHELLAC. What I have used is "stain killer" which
>sure looks like white shellac to me. It is available in 8-oz cans. Use a
>cheap brush and throw it away when you're done.
>
I agree, never heard of lacquer to hlod down stains, only shellac. Instead
of the throw-away brush ( it's true, they are a pain to clean ) how about
spray shellac? I have used spray shellac sucessfully on stains on textured
ceilings as well as flat surfaces. It costs more in large quantities, but for
one stain, it's cheaper than can shellac and a throw-away brush.
Bill McGarry
I'm all for a net.house.
Bill McGarry
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Nathan Okinaka
> >No to net.house. Let's move the house stuff to net.rec.wood...
>
> I vote yes for net.house. What does roofing and plumbing and
> tiling and installing driveways etc. have to do with woodwork?
Add another yes vote for net.house!
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Topher Eliot
> >What I have used is "stain killer" which
> >sure looks like white shellac to me. It is available in 8-oz cans. Use a
> >cheap brush and throw it away when you're done.
> >
>
Someone said:
> Instead
> of the throw-away brush ( it's true, they are a pain to clean ) how about
> spray shellac?
Indeed spray shellac sounds like a fine idea.
lic...@hsi.uucp
> >No to net.house. Let's move the house stuff to net.rec.wood...
>
> I vote yes for net.house. What does roofing and plumbing and
> tiling and installing driveways etc. have to do with woodwork?
Only if your roofing, plumbing, tile and driveways are all wood. What if
you live in brick house? Count one more vote for net.house.
Don in New Haven
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Gregory M Ayers
use advice in this news group, especially pertaining to concrete
work. For instance, how do you calculate a yard of concrete and
what thickness should a driveway and garage floor be? Thanks
for any help out there.
- Greg Ayers
Purdue University
E. L. Wiles
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