Witch elf difficulty to make work

[roger01]

hello,

firstly thank for this add-on, i just enjoyed i had just started to
have cramps on mine hands

So i post here because i have a problem to resolve this string
/nb add 1 [Sever Blessing];con:bless:+:e[Sacrificial Stab];hp:450:-;ae:
9404:-;cm:5:[Heart Render Toxin];hp:500:+;cm:5:[Throat Slitter];cd:
18;a:cast:+:e;st:1:e:2:;con:unst:-:e[Sever Limb];con:unst:-:e;cd:18;st:
1:e:2:[Kiss Of Betrayal];cd:30;st:1:s:e:[Envenomed Blade];st:3:s:e:2
[Wracking Pains];st:1:s::[Enfeebling Strike]

i'm trying to use sacrificial stab when i'm under 450 hp and heart
render when i'am over 500, i' still trying a this moment so if you
find a solution or maybe and other mistake is ll be great

i got an other problem with Throat Slitter i would like to make it
work just against caster like bright wizard or suppheal but he come
over tank (nps) and so on, or i'm wrong and the tank cast as well ?

Roger01

[roger01]

I post a second topic to make my advancement in my string

so i have that know, i have copied a little bit from the chain of
deuc i think a do on my way
but i think the throat slicer don't come against target or i just
didn't try good

/nb add 1 [Enfeebling Strike][Sacrificial Stab];cm:5:[Puncture];cm:5:ae
[Feinted Positioning];atv:9408:+;ae:9427:-[Kiss Of Betrayal];cd:30;st:
1:s:e:[Agonizing Wound];acd:9427:-;cm:4:-;ae:9427:+[Heart Seeker];st:
1::e:;con:unst:-:e;e:9409:1::-:e[Throat Slitter];acd:9427:;a:cast:
+:e;con:unst:-:e;e:9427:1::-:e[Sever Limb];st:1::e:;con:unst:-:e;e:
9409:1::-:e;e:9427:1::-:e[Wracking Pains];st:1:s:e:[Agonizing Wound]

I would like to put sever blessing in the string but i cannot the
place to write is too short, and i have the same string but with kiss
of death instead of betrayal, because i cannot add it

[NerfedWar]

hmm maybe a small popup text input box to get around the max text-
input limit would be useful for the next release (or you can use the
NBSB addon).

[thylantyr]

Here is my Witch Elf string.

//////////////////////////////////////////
[Enfeebling Strike]
[Sever Blessing];c:wh:+:e

[Sever Limb];con:unst:-:e

[Heart Seeker];con:unst:-:e
[Throat Slitter];con:unst:-:e;a:cast:+:e
[On Your Knees!];con:unst:-:e;cm:5:
[Sever Blessing]
[Kiss of Betrayal];st:1: s;e:9407:1: s:-: p;e:9402:1: s:-: p

[Wracking Pains];st:1: s:e

[Pierce Armor]
[Agonizing Wound];ae:9427:
[Slice]
//////////////////////////////////////////

My comments.

1. I think you should add Sever Blessing to the top of the list and
check for
Witch Hunter because if they have Repel Blasphemy up, this is 100%
parry
and any attacks you do will get parried unless you Sever this
blessing. Lower
in the string design Sever Blessing is found again for other classes.

2. At the top of your list should be "crowd control" as a priority,
where
the best CC is used first. In my case It's Sever Limb, Heart Seeker,
then Throat Slitter w/caster check. The reason is simple, Sever Limb
is
a 5 second disarm, Heart Seeker is a 3 second stun and the damage
portion
can crit for over 1k damage and last is Throat Slitter to silence the
casters
for 3 seconds. This allows you to switch targets in mid battle to CC
different targets,
ie you can stun someone, switch targets to silence a caster as Heart
Seeker is on
a cooldown but the next CC isn't. If you notice, there is the
unstoppable check
so you don't fire off a CC that won't work.

If your Witch Elf is a high crit design using Frenzied Mayhem and
keeping
Blood Lust 5 all the time, not using finishers, then there should be
no finishers
in the string design, the finisher should be a second string design or
dedicated
bind. In my case, I do have one finisher, On Your Knees! that triggers
with
Blood Lust = 5 mainly because this ability is good, an AOE 2 second
knockdown
and it does high damage, IMO, the Witch Elves best finisher. Later
when my
crit rate is higher I may remove this and a solo bind.

This is a Kiss design I came up with.
[Kiss of Betrayal];st:1: s;e:9407:1: s:-: p;e:9402:1: s:-: p

The concept is to apply a default Kiss "Kiss of Betrayal" but have the
option
to manually bypass and apply Kiss of Death or Kiss of Agony without
the
mod overwriting the Kiss you manually overode. In other words, the mod
will do KoB, but during battle, I may choose KoD or KoA for a given
circumstance
and the mod won't overwrite this new Kiss. This is sweet.

Since I'm Carnage/Treachery Spec'd, I use both Slice and Agonizing
Wound
thus I have them both in the string design where AW will take priority
over Slice if in a backstab position by using Heart Seeker as a
check.
But the backstab "code" in game is not universal in design, the
backstab arc is greater
with AW than HS, catch 22. If you circle strafe, it's all good in the
end.

I don't included Feinted Positioning because the cooldown is 60
seconds and
it's an ability that might be best activated for those special moments
that you
decide by manual execution.

Another thing is Wracking Pains. To get the debuff reward, the target
must
have an ailment, thus when you exit stealth using Enfeenbling Strike
you
want to get WP on the target within a reasonable time to debuff their
toughness
and weaponskill then you should start to spam your main attack.

This particular design is win for me, but the "setup time" is longer
before I start to use my main attacks, therefore I stack wounds
and run with over 8k base hitpoints and also circle strafe the target
to add an element of confusion.

[roger01]

great if you do that,
so i will try the ndsb add on
i had already it but, i prefere to write but i will check to put more
action

now my new string look like

/nb add 1 [Enfeebling Strike][Heart Render Toxin];cd:15;cm:5:
[Puncture];cm:5:[Feinted Positioning];ae:9427:-[Kiss Of Betrayal];cd:
30;st:1:s:e:[Agonizing Wound];acd:9427:-;ae:9427:-;cm:4:-[Heart

Seeker];st:1::e:;con:unst:-:e;e:9409:1::-:e[Throat Slitter];acd:
9427:;a:cast:+:e;con:unst:-:e;e:9427:1::-:e[Sever Limb];st:
1::e:;con:unst:-:e;e:9409:1::-:e;e:9427:1::-:e[Wracking Pains];st:
1:s:e:[Agonizing Wound]

i explain the string
ES: if i'm prowling
HRT:if cm=5 with a CD of 15s to let Puncture working after with cm=5
FP: If not rear(check if Heart seeker is enable(require rear to work),
didn't use anymore atv on this check is just working fine without
KSB: st 1 cd 30 (is you die in bg 120s si too long)
HS: stack 1 condition unst and effect of TS not on
TS: the inverse as HS but with just working if HS in on Cd( may be
change that because i want to let it work even HS is on but cannot
cast due to postionning (only on caster)
SL:the same as TS without the acd(pop more often thant TS)
wracking pain once
and agonizing wound in all other way



i did what i wanted to do and is working perfecly ;) it is a shame the
max-text, i would put a 2 more sequences but i couldn't so i ll try
the add on nbsb to see

still working on this wonderfull add-on

ps: i'm french sorry for mistake in my writing

[roger01]

thylanthir i was Carnage/Treachery Spec Cc until a few days ago and i
just change when i see this vidéo :p
http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php?t=1002382

so i have again changed my string with the add-on nbsb , and now i can
put all the sequence i wanted
and thylanthir thank you for the choice of the order is evry usefull

But for the kiss i just put a second combo with just the kiss changed

i would like to put my new string here but i cannot /nb edit won't
work with the add-on nbsb or there is an other way to save it ?

[Deuce]

/nb edit # SHOULD still work, though occasionally I have the same
problem that /nb commands simply won't do anything at all. Try /rel
or exit and restart.

On Jun 22, 1:31 pm, roger01 <alou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> thylanthir i was Carnage/Treachery Spec Cc until a few days ago and i

> just change when i see this vidéo :phttp://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php?t=1002382

[roger01]

the command line /nb edit 1,2 still not working after /rel and reboot
i didn't use nbsb for the 3 keys and nb work for it
I can use /nb list 1, it will list the parametre but i cannot copy it


i still have one problem, actualy i don't know if it is on but my auto
attack come too often for me, i would like to avoid this i don't know
how

[Deuce]

Auto attack? Do you have that in your chain? I often put it at the
end of a melee chain for the mod to default to, since I don't like
using blank buttons, but anythime it comes up it means nothing else is
valid or I'm out of AP.

[roger01]

no i didn't put it,is should be just no more Ap, or may be i resolve
it by changing some con in my chain but i comme less often, i just
respe to because i'm RR49 and i don't have enough point to take the
blade lotus, so i'm trying something like tyhlanthir

i would have post me string if i could copy it with nbsb but he didn't
anymore

i' have an other question in wich language did y write this
application ?

[roger01]

I forgot one thing to ask, can i specify more than 5 carrer mechanic
if my carrer stop goes from 1 to 5 can i put 8 for example to make a
3 more virutal cm ?
i just want my finisher come later without aply a virutal cooldown
(because it should appears at different time and it will be crucial)

[Deuce]

I'm not sure how NB would react to trying to put a higher CM value
than your career has, but I don't tink it would work that way. You
can put other types of checks on the finisher to better determine when
it will queue, however. What are you looking for?

[roger01]

i want to do 3 more single attack with slice or agonising wound before
the finisher (there are instant cast so i don't know if i can use the
command stack and
i want to do reckless assaut 3s cast just after a incapcité if i got
more than 4 cm, would it do just after the stun, directly?

and i'm trying evrything against a champion npc so is not so
realistic

[Deuce]

Are you referring to Ruthless Assault, the 3s focus finisher and Heart
Seeker, the rear stun? And you want it to be the next ability used?
For that you'd want to put Ruthless Assault at or very near the
beginning of the chain like so:

[Ruthless Assault]e:9427:1::+:e;cm:4:+[Ability 2] etc, etc, etc......

That way, RA will be a high priority, but will only queue if the
opponent is currently stunned by HS and you have at least 4 Blood
Lust. Remember tat you can also put multiple versions of the same
ability in the queue with different checks, so you could have RA later
in the chain and not requiring the stun. The way I wrote it, the RA
will queue if they're stunned by HS, even if it wasn't you who stunned
them. If you want to restrict it to only your stun, put an "s" (no
quotes) in the empty between the two colons in the Effect check (e:
9427:1:s:+:e)

There is currently no way to put a timer on one ability based off
another ability or have the mod count attacks before queueing an
ability. Look at the Check Reference Manual. Those are the available
checks and checks, along with the order abilities are listed in, are
the only ways to determine when an ability wil queue. It sounds like
you might want to do something like waiting for a finisher until the
target is close enough to dieing that you might kill them with it,
which could be done with HP or HPP checks. If none of the checks suit
you, you're basically stuck binding the ability to a seperate button.

[roger01]

hi guys,

i ve changed my spe so i no longer use ruthless assaut,

finnaly i'm not so happy with my string, i think the auto attack come
too often, i should manage it in a different way because is unnormal
too many auto attack instead of my agonising wound

so my string look like: i write it down because i still cannot use the
commande /nb edit and copy past just nothing come with

//enfeebling strike
//sever blessing ;con:bless:+:e
//black lotus ;con:heal:+:e
//feinted positioning;ae:9427:-
//sever limb;con:unst:-:e;st:1::e
//heart seeker;con:unst:-:e;st:1::e
//throat Slitter;con:unst:-:e;st:1::e;a:cast:+:e;e:9427:1:s:-:e;ae:
9427:+
//agonising wound; cm:5:-;e:9405:1:s:+:e;e:9412:1:s:+:p
//heart render toxin:cm:5:+;cd:30:st:1:s:e
//kiss of betrayal;st:1:s:e;e:9412:s:-:p
//wracking pain;st:1:s:e
//black lotus;con:heal:+:e
//agonising wound


so with this string i got too many auto attack even if i'm not kb,
over rang or still have Ap
i would like agonising wound get rid of the auto attack,

and i got an other problem is with my sever limb, heart seeker and
throat slitter. sometimes it comes all in one, or one after the other
even if my target is under incapacity( may be i pressed my touch too
many times ( to let the check operate) but i'm not sure)

so if you got advice to optimize my string i still trying against a
champion npc

[roger01]

almost between every action i ve got an auto attack i don't
understand, may be because my string is too long and after every
check it come back at the begining and have to do all the check till
agonising wounds at the end so he put auto attack during the check,
'im not sure but i could do more damage if this auto attack don't come
or less often

[Deuce]

Auto attack is... well... automatic. It will always fire when you're
in melee combat and your target is valid. You can't turn it off, but
it doesn't interfere with your ability attacks. You see a lot more
auto's on the WE that other classes because the weapons have such a
fast weapon speed.

[roger01]

so it should be normal ? even if i do 5 auto attack one after one ?

and my string look good ? or i have a better way to put the agonising
wound to spam more often ?

[Deuce]

The GCD is 1.4sec, so the fastest you can possibly fire abilities is
1.4sec apart. WE not only have weapons with a faster attack speed
than that (which only applies to auto-attacks), but have 2 of them.
Also, every ability- or auto-attack has a chance to proc an off-hand
attack. It would be perfectly normal to see an ability hit, then the
off-hand proc followed closely by an auto-attack and an off-hand proc
for that. If your weapons are fast enough, which WE weapons easily
can be, you could see a second auto-attack and an off-hand proc for
*that* as well before the next ability fires. Since off-hand and auto-
attacks are exactly the same in your log, 2 auto and 3 off-hand would
look like 5 auto between abilies firing.

As for your chain, I see a few issues and some oddities.

I don't think con:heal works the way you seem to be wanting it to. As
far as I know, it would only trigger if they currently have a buff or
debuff that has the "heal" tag, which isn't a very reliable check.
Since Black Lotus has a fairly short timer and is a high-damage
attack, I don't bother with checks and just have it fire whenever it
comes off CD.

I notice you have Throat Slitter using an Effect check so it shouldn't
fire when they're stunned by Heart Seeker. A good idea is to put
similar checks on all 3 abilities that give the Unstoppable buff
(Heart Seeker, Throat Slitter and Sever Limb) to check against each
other, each one checking for BOTH of the other two. Maybe slowing
down a little on your key spamming would also be a good idea. I'm not
sure why you have the AE check on Throat Slitter. It may not do any
damage from behind, but it's still a silence, and you don't always
have the luxury of getting behind a target. I'd also add an
Archetype:Weapon User check to Sever Limb so you won't use it on pure
casters, where it doesn't do much good.

Remember that the basis of NB is PRIORITIZING, so you don't need
something like the entire first Agonizing with all the checks to keep
it from queueing until other items later in the chain are applied. If
you simply delete that entire entry, it'll have the same effect. The
same with the second Black Lotus, which is a redundant copy of the
first. The second one will never be used, EVER, because the first
would be used before NB ever cycled to the second (and remember the
Con check).

The Heart Render Toxin is very odd because of the very long VCD. Are
you perhaps running Frenzied Mayhem and don't want to burn your Blood
Lust? Whatever the case, if you don't want to use it regularly, you
might want to consider just moving it to it's own button.

Lastly, you have your Kiss using very odd checks. You use a Stack
check to look for an effect on the ENEMY when I don't believe KoB
leaves an effect on the enemy. Then you use an Effect check to look
for the buff on yourself, when the Stack check would generally be the
one used when checking for the same ability. I'd make it more like:

//enfeebling strike
//sever blessing ;con:bless:+:e
//black lotus

//feinted positioning;ae:9427:-

//sever limb;con:unst:-:e;st:1::e;e:9427:1:s:-:e;e:9409:1:s:-:e;a:wu:
+:e
//heart seeker;con:unst:-:e;st:1::e;e:9400:1:s:-:e;e:9409:1:s:-:e
//throat Slitter;con:unst:-:e;st:1::e;a:cast:+:e;e:9427:1:s:-:e;e:
9400:1:s:-:e
//heart render toxin:cm:5:+;st:1::e **(or remove completely)**
//kiss of betrayal;st:1:s:p:5;
//wracking pain;st:1:s:e:3
//agonising wound

I'm not sure of your spec, but you may want to consider adding Slice
on the end, then using an AE check on Agonizing so it only queues when
it will pierce thier armor, since Slice may be better damage from the
front than Agonizing. Check your tooltips and see if it is, and if
it's by enough to be worth the 5AP difference to you.

[roger01]

thank you again for your help,

i'm suffering treachery so i don't use slice because agonizing wounds
does more damage

So i remake my string like you suggest it work great, but still came
sometimes throat slitter after Heart sikker

i didn't know that i got off hand auto attack, so it should be normal
to see a lot of auto attack

i used render toxin as first finisher and after i got on other
dedicate button my finisher so i put the vcd just to let me use the
other during 30 sec if i need to use it

i'm will do a short video to let u see how is going with the TS and HS
and the auto attack