Cut
Bob Beach
Some players believe they should get their cut.
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Bob Beach
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Erine Chambers, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
Overland Park, Kansas
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Beach <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 11:54 am
Subject: Cut
:
:
: Some players believe they should get their cut.
:
Bob Beach
gzimm...@everestkc.net wrote:
: Erine Chambers, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
:
:
You know, I rarely agree with Ernie Chambers on anything. But, I
did somewhat agree on this issue. The hard part of paying players is
how much do you pay them? Some people believe they should just get run
around money and others believe they should get a pretty good salary.
That is where I just can't decide but I do believe there should be some
kind of compensation. One reason I say that is the NCAA rules pretty
much eliminate student/athletes from any income. Then on top of that
they can't get compensation from their sport. People are very quick to
point out they ARE paid. Their education is totally paid for. That's
true and that is wonderful but it doesn't give you money to live day to day.
Steve Stone
Bob Beach wrote:
:gzimm...@everestkc.net wrote:
:Ernie Chambers, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
:
: You know, I rarely agree with Ernie Chambers on anything. But,
:I did somewhat agree on this issue. The hard part of paying players
:is how much do you pay them? Some people believe they should just
:get run around money and others believe they should get a pretty
:good salary. That is where I just can't decide but I do believe
:there should be some kind of compensation. One reason I say that is
:the NCAA rules pretty much eliminate student/athletes from any
:income. Then on top of that they can't get compensation from their
:sport. People are very quick to point out they ARE paid. Their
:education is totally paid for. That's true and that is wonderful
:but it doesn't give you money to live day to day.
Ernie Chambers does, indeed, have a point, but neither he nor anyone
else I've seen in print has really gone into the question in any
degree of historical depth.
The amateur ideal was conceived by Baron de Coubertin, a French
nobleman, as he was beginning to formulate the concept of the Modern
Olympic games in the late 1800's. Back then, only noblemen and a few
affluent members of what might be called the mercantile classes had
the leisure and inclination to pursue sports, and it was utterly
unthinkable that working-class and/or lower-class men might wish to
participate or have the skill to do so.
Baron Coubertin believed, quite correctly, that it should be beneath
the dignity of a nobleman to accept financial reward for
participating in what amounted to a hobby. "Amateur" means "one who
loves," and he believed that the game(s) should be played solely
because the players loved the game(s).
Thus was born the notion that created a divide between those who
played for the love of the game and those who played for money, i.e.,
bare-knuckled prize fighting and the like.
The Baron's classification in the first Modern Olympics held in
Athens, 1896, became an accepted standard for decades. However, World
War I changed the social structure of Europe forever, and soon it
became possible for working-class men to participate successfully in
sports, Finland's Paavo Nurmi becoming possibly the best example. His
descent/ascent into "amateur professionalism" marked the beginning of
the end of the Baron's ideal.
Scholarship players today receive compensation for their time and
talent but not in cash. Tuition, books, board, and room runs
approximately 25-35 thousand per year for any student, but that's not
all players get providing they have enough brains to pounds sand in
rat-hole. What they get beyond tuition, books, room, and board is an
education, and that as the current TV commercial would have us
believe is priceless.
Of the 100+ players on the Husker squad, perhaps three to five will
make the squad on one professional team or another for, say, three
years. The other 95+ players will become professionals in insurance,
real estate, coaching, and other real-life adventures.
Should college players get cash in addition to their other perks?
Probably, but how much and on what basis remains thorny questions.
Should starters get bonuses and screw-ups receive fines? Should
seniors get more and freshmen less? Should players with high
grade-point averages get additional pay? Should All-Big XII and
All-Americans get performance bonuses? Should the guard who clears
the way for the tailback to score get payment equal to the tailback's?
It's a can of worms, gentlemen and ladies, and you can bet your
legendary bottom dollar that the NCAA's going to avoid opening it
anytime soon.
Steve Stone
Bob Beach
Steve Stone wrote:
:
: Should college players get cash in addition to their other perks?
: Should starters get bonuses and screw-ups receive fines? Should
: seniors get more and freshmen less? Should players with high
: grade-point averages get additional pay? Should All-Big XII and
: All-Americans get performance bonuses? Should the guard who clears the
: way for the tailback to score get payment equal to the tailback's?
:
: It's a can of worms, gentlemen and ladies, and you can bet your
: legendary bottom dollar that the NCAA's going to avoid opening it
: anytime soon.
:
: Steve Stone
You make some very good points and thanks for the information. I
doubt you will ever see college players paid. There are way too many
ifs, ands, and buts. Most of the time I have seen it somewhat presented
the level of compensation wasn't like the NFL where the star players, or
whatever, made the most money. It is where "everybody" made the same
thing. Now who "everybody" consists of is open to debate. ;-) The
compensation isn't to be like a salary based on performance. It is to
be more like "meal money". I think it is probably a moot point as well
because the NCAA is only interested in one thing and that is what makes
the NCAA the most money. Paying the student/athletes wouldn't
accomplish that.
Dick Karre
Steve Stone wrote:
: It's a can of worms, gentlemen and ladies, and you can bet your
: legendary bottom dollar that the NCAA's going to avoid opening it
: anytime soon.
I don't think it would be all that difficult to administer. You give a
fixed amount to all your scholarship athletes. Nonetheless, you are
probably correct that the NCAA won't touch it. Over the years, the NCAA
has taken steps to reduce expenses as a means of establishing parity.
Adding a couple hundred thousand a year to the budgets would be a tough
sell. Just because it's the right thing to do is probably irrelevant.
Those of us who have been around long enough (Mr. Stone and I qualify;
not so sure about Mr. Beach) remember when college athletes got "laundry
money" - twenty-five dollars a month or so. Today that would probably
equate to a couple hundred.
--
Dick Karre
dka...@comcast.net
Pat Gaule
Bob Beach wrote:
:
:
: Some players believe they should get their cut.
:
What many overlook is the fact that other college athletes would also
need to be paid, even ones from non-revenue sports. While it would not
be hard to come up with funds for major sports at major schools, coming
up with funds to pay non-revenue sport athletes would be very hard on
some athletic departments. Some smaller 1-A schools may not even
generate enough revenue to "fairly" compensate the football players, let
alone the women's bowling team.
Were this money to not be subsidized by private donations and instead by
tuition money from regular students, then that is not something I could
tolerate.
Bobbase...@aol.com
In a message dated 1/6/2007 3:54:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,
dka...@comcast.net writes:
Those of us who have been around long enough (Mr. Stone and I qualify;
not so sure about Mr. Beach) remember when college athletes got "laundry
money" - twenty-five dollars a month or so. Today that would probably
equate to a couple hundred.
I remember that. I am 57 years old. Is there anyone on the list older than
that? I am sure there is probably someone but I'll bet not too many.
Bob Beach
I have never learned anything when I was the one doing the talking.
Larry King
Jim Dean
I'm 60 and can remember more than that ... Theater tickets ... New clothes
... And more that I am sure I never knew about.
Jim Dean
Wood River High School, 1964
UNL, 1964-66, 1968-71
:
: Those of us who have been around long enough (Mr. Stone and I qualify;
: not so sure about Mr. Beach) remember when college athletes got "laundry
: money" - twenty-five dollars a month or so. Today that would probably
: equate to a couple hundred.
_______________________________________________
Roger Lohr
I'm 64 and can't remember a damn thing!
Roger Lohr-Mpls
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dean" <JLD...@mac.com>
To: "Huskerlist" <hus...@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
: I'm 60 and can remember more than that ... Theater tickets ... New clothes
Dick Karre
Bobbase...@aol.com wrote:
: I remember that. I am 57 years old. Is there anyone on the list older than
: that? I am sure there is probably someone but I'll bet not too many.
I'm 61 and Steve Stone is much, much older.
--
Dick Karre
dka...@comcast.net
Bob Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Lohr" <sue...@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
: I'm 64 and can't remember a damn thing!
:
: Roger Lohr-Mpls
Oh, I figured there were a few of us out there. ;-) You know what
they always say. The mind is the second thing to go. :-) But, with that
said I would still guess the greater majority of the list is under 50. I
remember Devaney's first game at NU. I wonder how many on the list were
alive during Devany's tenure? It is really hard to believe it was that long
ago. Devaney's last year was 1972 which was, obviously, 34 years ago if you
count this being 2006. Devaney quit coaching before either of my sons were
born and they are 27 and 19. Stop and think about it. It was 1997 the last
time TO stood on the sidelines. This fall will mark 10 years. The TO years
seem like absolute yesterday but it is close to being a decade ago.
Bob Beach
The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
Bob Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Karre" <dka...@comcast.net>
To: <hus...@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
:
: I'm 61 and Steve Stone is much, much older.
Geez, he must have roomed with the dinosaurs. ;-) :-)
Bob Beach
The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
_______________________________________________
Ken Oliver
-----Original Message-----
:From: Bob Beach <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
:Sent: Jan 7, 2007 12:59 AM
:To: Roger Lohr <sue...@worldnet.att.net>, Jim Dean <JLD...@mac.com>, Huskerlist <hus...@tssi.com>
:Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:
:----- Original Message -----
:From: "Roger Lohr" <sue...@worldnet.att.net>
:Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:58 PM
:Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:
:> I'm 64 and can't remember a damn thing!
:>
:> Roger Lohr-Mpls
:
:
:
:
: Oh, I figured there were a few of us out there. ;-) You know what
:they always say. The mind is the second thing to go. :-) But, with that
:said I would still guess the greater majority of the list is under 50. I
:remember Devaney's first game at NU. I wonder how many on the list were
:alive during Devany's tenure? It is really hard to believe it was that long
:ago. Devaney's last year was 1972 which was, obviously, 34 years ago if you
:count this being 2006. Devaney quit coaching before either of my sons were
:born and they are 27 and 19. Stop and think about it. It was 1997 the last
:time TO stood on the sidelines. This fall will mark 10 years. The TO years
:seem like absolute yesterday but it is close to being a decade ago.
:
:
:Bob Beach
I am 61 here. No, make that 62. My sister tells me all the time that at my age, I should guess how long ago something happened, then double it.
Ken
gzimm...@everestkc.net
I'll be 54 in 12 days.
Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
Overland Park, Kansas
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Oliver <kste...@mindspring.com>
Date: Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:49 am
Subject: Re: Cut
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
:
J1a...@aol.com
I'm 71, graduated UNO in 1973 [age 38] while assigned to Offutt AFB... about
6 months after the UN absorbed the U of Omaha. That's when I discovered the
Huskers and became a fan.
Jack
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't
pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected,
and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset
years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in
the United States where men were free." [Pres. Ronald Reagan]
Steve Reichenbach
To say that "the NCAA is only interested in one thing and that
is what makes the NCAA the most money" is quite inaccurate.
The NCAA ultimately is run by the university presidents. While
athletic boosters and the athletic departments at universities
have substantial influence on university policies they are not
in the position of running universities. The greatest impediments
to professionalization of university athletics are the university
faculties, alumni, and governing boards who still view university
athletics as student activities.
: Steve Stone wrote:
: >
: > Should college players get cash in addition to their other perks?
: > Probably, but how much and on what basis remains thorny questions.
: > Should starters get bonuses and screw-ups receive fines? Should
: > seniors get more and freshmen less? Should players with high
: > grade-point averages get additional pay? Should All-Big XII and
: > All-Americans get performance bonuses? Should the guard who clears the
: > way for the tailback to score get payment equal to the tailback's?
: >
: > It's a can of worms, gentlemen and ladies, and you can bet your
: > legendary bottom dollar that the NCAA's going to avoid opening it
: > anytime soon.
: >
: > Steve Stone
:
:
: You make some very good points and thanks for the information. I
: doubt you will ever see college players paid. There are way too many
: ifs, ands, and buts. Most of the time I have seen it somewhat presented
: the level of compensation wasn't like the NFL where the star players, or
: whatever, made the most money. It is where "everybody" made the same
: thing. Now who "everybody" consists of is open to debate. ;-) The
: compensation isn't to be like a salary based on performance. It is to
: be more like "meal money". I think it is probably a moot point as well
: because the NCAA is only interested in one thing and that is what makes
: the NCAA the most money. Paying the student/athletes wouldn't
: accomplish that.
:
:
: Bob Beach
:
:
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:
Steve Stone
Dick Karre wrote:
:>Bobbase...@aol.com wrote:
:>I remember that. I am 57 years old. Is there anyone on the list
:>older than that? I am sure there is probably someone but I'll bet
:>not too many.
:I'm 61 and Steve Stone is much, much older.
True.
My Dad and I charted the 1941 Rose Bowl game while listening to it on
my grandmother's Atwater-Kent console radio.
Steve Stone
Bob Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Reichenbach" <re...@inetnebr.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: Cut
: To say that "the NCAA is only interested in one thing and that
: is what makes the NCAA the most money" is quite inaccurate.
Okay, I should have said VIRTUALLY only interested in making money.
The NCAA indeed has other interests. But, the point being money is their
driving force.
Bob Beach
The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
Bob Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Stone" <sst...@pvtnetworks.net>
To: "Dick Karre" <dka...@comcast.net>; <hus...@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Cut
: Dick Karre wrote:
:
:>>Bobbase...@aol.com wrote:
:>>I remember that. I am 57 years old. Is there anyone on the list older
:>>than that? I am sure there is probably someone but I'll bet not too
:>>many.
:>I'm 61 and Steve Stone is much, much older.
:
: True.
:
: My Dad and I charted the 1941 Rose Bowl game while listening to it on my
: grandmother's Atwater-Kent console radio.
:
: Steve Stone
I guess I missed my guess. There are more older people, over 50, on
this list than I thought. But, only about five or so identified themselves
as being over 50. I would still think a pretty heavy majority is under 50
and probably under 40. I say that only because some of the comments that
are made and some of the recollections that are posted seem to be from
younger people.
I think probably those of us that are over 50 are little more tolerant
of the coaches, the record, and things like that because we can remember
when NU wouldn't even finish close to .500 much less a nine win season. If
this past season would have been 1964 rather than 2006 Callahan would have
had the State worshipping at his feet with a 9-5 record with a bowl
appearance. But, as with anything, everytime the bar is raised expectations
are also raised and NU had a lot of years of raising the bar post 1960.
Bob Beach
The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
Tony Lambert
I'm 48 years old. And only started following the Huskers at about 11
Bob Beach wrote:
:
: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Stone" <sst...@pvtnetworks.net>
: To: "Dick Karre" <dka...@comcast.net>; <hus...@tssi.com>
: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:54 AM
: Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:
:> Dick Karre wrote:
:>
:>>> Bobbase...@aol.com wrote:
:>>> I remember that. I am 57 years old. Is there anyone on the list
:>>> older than that? I am sure there is probably someone but I'll bet
:>>> not too many.
:>> I'm 61 and Steve Stone is much, much older.
:>
:> True.
:>
:> My Dad and I charted the 1941 Rose Bowl game while listening to it on
:> my grandmother's Atwater-Kent console radio.
:>
:> Steve Stone
:
:
:
:
:
: I guess I missed my guess. There are more older people, over 50,
: on this list than I thought. But, only about five or so identified
: themselves as being over 50. I would still think a pretty heavy
: majority is under 50 and probably under 40. I say that only because
: some of the comments that are made and some of the recollections that
: are posted seem to be from younger people.
:
:
: I think probably those of us that are over 50 are little more
: tolerant of the coaches, the record, and things like that because we
: can remember when NU wouldn't even finish close to .500 much less a
: nine win season. If this past season would have been 1964 rather than
: 2006 Callahan would have had the State worshipping at his feet with a
: 9-5 record with a bowl appearance. But, as with anything, everytime
: the bar is raised expectations are also raised and NU had a lot of
: years of raising the bar post 1960.
:
:
: Bob Beach
:
: The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
:
: _______________________________________________
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:
:
Roger Lohr
Bob, my memory isn't that bad. In 1964, our Huskers were 9-1. Then lost we
lost to Arkansas in the '65 Cotton Bowl, finishing 9-2. That was the second
bowl game I attended. I haven't seen the Huskers win a bowl game since the
'64 OB.
Roger Lohr-Mpls
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Beach" <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
To: <hus...@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Cut
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Steve Stone" <sst...@pvtnetworks.net>
: To: "Dick Karre" <dka...@comcast.net>; <hus...@tssi.com>
: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:54 AM
: Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:
:> Dick Karre wrote:
:>
:>>>Bobbase...@aol.com wrote:
:>>>I remember that. I am 57 years old. Is there anyone on the list older
:>>>than that? I am sure there is probably someone but I'll bet not too
:>>>many.
:>>I'm 61 and Steve Stone is much, much older.
:>
:> True.
:>
:> My Dad and I charted the 1941 Rose Bowl game while listening to it on my
:> grandmother's Atwater-Kent console radio.
:>
:> Steve Stone
:
:
:
:
:
: I guess I missed my guess. There are more older people, over 50, on
: this list than I thought. But, only about five or so identified
: themselves as being over 50. I would still think a pretty heavy majority
: is under 50 and probably under 40. I say that only because some of the
: comments that are made and some of the recollections that are posted seem
: to be from younger people.
:
:
: I think probably those of us that are over 50 are little more tolerant
: of the coaches, the record, and things like that because we can remember
: when NU wouldn't even finish close to .500 much less a nine win season.
: If this past season would have been 1964 rather than 2006 Callahan would
: have had the State worshipping at his feet with a 9-5 record with a bowl
: appearance. But, as with anything, everytime the bar is raised
: expectations are also raised and NU had a lot of years of raising the bar
: post 1960.
:
:
: Bob Beach
:
: The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
:
: _______________________________________________
Bob Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Lambert" <slim...@hamilton.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
: I'm 48 years old. And only started following the Huskers at about 11
You then, evidently, got in on the last few years of Devaney.
Bob Beach
The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
_______________________________________________
Tony Lambert
I can remember Nebraska playing Wyoming and what a big deal it was to
have beat them. At the time i didn't know why it was
a big deal. and i remember them i think playing Wyoming on TV also. But
From when we played USC in LA and having USC tie us is about the time i
really started to be a fan.
Tony Lambert
Bob Beach wrote:
:
: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Lambert"
: <slim...@hamilton.net>
: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:13 PM
: Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:
:> I'm 48 years old. And only started following the Huskers at about 11
:
:
:
:
: You then, evidently, got in on the last few years of Devaney.
:
: Bob Beach
:
: The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
:
: _______________________________________________
: husker site list
: hus...@tssi.com
: http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/husker
:
:
Bob Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Lambert" <slim...@hamilton.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
:I can remember Nebraska playing Wyoming and what a big deal it was to have
:beat them. At the time i didn't know why it was
: a big deal. and i remember them i think playing Wyoming on TV also. But
: From when we played USC in LA and having USC tie us is about the time i
: really started to be a fan.
Those were great times. I don't mean to keep beating a dead horse but
in many ways it seems like yesterday. I would have been in my early
twenties and a Junior or Senior in college. It is really hard to believe
we're pushing 40 years ago. I feel very fortunate to have lived the years I
have to see Husker football grow from being pretty much an afterthought to
where it is today. I remember when you could buy a ticket at the ticket
window on game day and maybe there might be 3,000 at the game. Downtown
merchants didn't gear up for game day because they couldn't tell the
difference if a game was in town or not. And then to see today where game
day takes over Lincoln and the State of Nebraska with 80,000 plus at the
game. I am fortunate enough to have seen five NU coaches. Those being
Jennings, Devaney, Osborne, Solich, and Callahan. I'll shut up now and
thanks for allowing me to ramble. It's just that a flood of memories come
in when I start thinking about the total Husker experience.
Bob Beach
The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
_______________________________________________
Tony Lambert
Memories of Nebraska football were made this fall. My Niece and Her
husband were in town from Charlotte, North Carolina.
He made the comment about the Huskers being at home for the Kansas game.
I said yes they were and I asked if he would like to go. He said sure.
So I showed him all the pregame I could like the side track, Barry's,
and tail gating. We got to the stadium went straight to the field. My
son asked if we could get our pictures taken in front of the doors
where the huskers run out onto the field. We got to take the pictures.
Stood and watched the huskers came out for their pregame. And during the
game when it was loud. He makes the comment about the intensity and How
we take our football serious. So I guess I made a husker fan out of him
and he will have the memories to last him a live time also.
Bob Beach wrote:
:
: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Lambert"
: Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:
:> I can remember Nebraska playing Wyoming and what a big deal it was to
:> have beat them. At the time i didn't know why it was
:> a big deal. and i remember them i think playing Wyoming on TV also.
:> But From when we played USC in LA and having USC tie us is about the
:> time i really started to be a fan.
:
:
:
:
: Those were great times. I don't mean to keep beating a dead horse
: but in many ways it seems like yesterday. I would have been in my
: early twenties and a Junior or Senior in college. It is really hard
: to believe we're pushing 40 years ago. I feel very fortunate to have
: lived the years I have to see Husker football grow from being pretty
: much an afterthought to where it is today. I remember when you could
: buy a ticket at the ticket window on game day and maybe there might be
: 3,000 at the game. Downtown merchants didn't gear up for game day
: because they couldn't tell the difference if a game was in town or
: not. And then to see today where game day takes over Lincoln and the
: State of Nebraska with 80,000 plus at the game. I am fortunate enough
: to have seen five NU coaches. Those being Jennings, Devaney, Osborne,
: Solich, and Callahan. I'll shut up now and thanks for allowing me to
: ramble. It's just that a flood of memories come in when I start
: thinking about the total Husker experience.
:
:
: Bob Beach
:
: The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
:
:
: _______________________________________________ :
:
Duane Feldman
Chalk up another at age 57, although I don't tell anybody my age. My earliest serious recollection was Duda's broken leg and Churchich taking over. I was old enough to vaguely remember the '62 upset of Michigan, but wasn't a full-blooded follower at that time.
Duane Feldman
----- Original Message ----
From: Tony Lambert <slim...@hamilton.net>
To: Bob Beach <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
Cc: hus...@tssi.com
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:13:09 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
I'm 48 years old. And only started following the Huskers at about 11
Bob Beach wrote:
:
: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Stone" <sst...@pvtnetworks.net>
Ken Oliver
-----Original Message-----
:From: Duane Feldman <dlfe...@ameritech.net>
:Sent: Jan 7, 2007 4:04 PM
:To: Tony Lambert <slim...@hamilton.net>, Bob Beach <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
:Cc: hus...@tssi.com
:Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:Chalk up another at age 57, although I don't tell anybody my age. My earliest serious recollection was Duda's broken leg and Churchich taking over. I was old enough to vaguely remember the '62 upset of Michigan, but wasn't a full-blooded follower at that time.
I was in HS classes with Churchich at Omaha North.
Ken
pibel
Dadgum kids-keep on talking about birthdays with us old
fogeys. I was 59 in
November and my son reminded me then that I would be 60 next
year. Glad to get
there after a heart attack in April '06 and after suffering
through some of the
close ones this fall with the Huskers........
Kerry Hookstra
Erick, Oklahoma
: I'll be 54 in 12 days.
:
: Greg Zimmerman, UNL '75
: Overland Park, Kansas
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: Ken Oliver <kste...@mindspring.com>
: Date: Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:49 am
: Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
: >
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > >From: Bob Beach <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
: > >Sent: Jan 7, 2007 12:59 AM
: > >To: Roger Lohr <sue...@worldnet.att.net>, Jim Dean
: > <JLD...@mac.com>, Huskerlist <hus...@tssi.com>
: > >Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
: > >
: > >
: > >----- Original Message -----
: > >From: "Roger Lohr" <sue...@worldnet.att.net>
: > >Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 10:58 PM
: > >Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
: > >
: > >
: > >> I'm 64 and can't remember a damn thing!
: > >>
: > >> Roger Lohr-Mpls
: > >
: > >
: > >
: > >
: > > Oh, I figured there were a few of us out there.
: > ;-) You know what
: > >they always say. The mind is the second thing to go.
: > :-) But, with that
: > >said I would still guess the greater majority of the
: > list is under 50. I
: > >remember Devaney's first game at NU. I wonder how many
: > on the list were
: > >alive during Devany's tenure? It is really hard to
: > believe it was that long
: > >ago. Devaney's last year was 1972 which was, obviously
: > , 34 years ago if you
: > >count this being 2006. Devaney quit coaching before
: > either of my sons were
: > >born and they are 27 and 19. Stop and think about it.
: > It was 1997 the last
: > >time TO stood on the sidelines. This fall will mark 10
: > years. The TO years
: > >seem like absolute yesterday but it is close to being a
: > decade ago. >
: > >
: > >Bob Beach
: >
: >
: > I am 61 here. No, make that 62. My sister tells me all
: > the time that at my age, I should guess how long ago
: > something happened, then double it.
: >
: > Ken
: >
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pibel
Of course Steve was a child prodigy who did this charting at
the age of
two...........
Kerry Hookstra
: Dick Karre wrote:
:
: >>Bobbase...@aol.com wrote:
: >>I remember that. I am 57 years old. Is there anyone
: on the list >>older than that? I am sure there is
: probably someone but I'll bet >>not too many.
: >I'm 61 and Steve Stone is much, much older.
:
: True.
:
: My Dad and I charted the 1941 Rose Bowl game while
: listening to it on my grandmother's Atwater-Kent console
: radio.
:
: Steve Stone
:
pibel
I made it to the 1969 Sun Bowl for the blowout of a 5-5
Georgia Bulldog team.
The media in Georgia wanted the Bulldogs to decline the
invite when they lost
their last couple of games after accepting the bid to play.
That Husker team was
the precursor, of course, to the great 1970 & 71 squads. I
believe that
Paul Rogers set a Sun Bowl record for field goals kicked but
I don't recall the
exact number-seems like five but the memory has gone since
attending my only
bowl game.
Kerry Hookstra
: Bob, my memory isn't that bad. In 1964, our Huskers were
: 9-1. Then lost we lost to Arkansas in the '65 Cotton
: Bowl, finishing 9-2. That was the second bowl game I
: attended. I haven't seen the Huskers win a bowl game
: since the '64 OB.
:
: Roger Lohr-Mpls
:
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Bob Beach" <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
: To: <hus...@tssi.com>
: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:58 AM
: Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Steve Stone" <sst...@pvtnetworks.net>
: > To: "Dick Karre" <dka...@comcast.net>; <hus...@tssi.com>
: > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:54 AM
: > Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
: >
: >
: >> Dick Karre wrote:
: >>
: >>>>Bobbase...@aol.com wrote:
: >>>>I remember that. I am 57 years old. Is there anyone
: on the list older >>>>than that? I am sure there is
: probably someone but I'll bet not too >>>>many.
: >>>I'm 61 and Steve Stone is much, much older.
: >>
: >> True.
: >>
: >> My Dad and I charted the 1941 Rose Bowl game while
: listening to it on my >> grandmother's Atwater-Kent
: console radio. >>
: >> Steve Stone
: >
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > I guess I missed my guess. There are more older
: > people, over 50, on this list than I thought. But,
: > only about five or so identified themselves as being
: > over 50. I would still think a pretty heavy majority
: is under 50 and probably under 40. I say that only
: > because some of the comments that are made and some of
: > the recollections that are posted seem to be from
: younger people. >
: >
: > I think probably those of us that are over 50 are
: > little more tolerant of the coaches, the record, and
: > things like that because we can remember when NU
: wouldn't even finish close to .500 much less a nine win
: > season. If this past season would have been 1964 rather
: > than 2006 Callahan would have had the State worshipping
: > at his feet with a 9-5 record with a bowl appearance.
: > But, as with anything, everytime the bar is raised
: expectations are also raised and NU had a lot of years of
: > raising the bar post 1960.
: >
: >
: > Bob Beach
: >
: > The more you know the more you realize how much there is
: you don't know. >
pibel
I've been a full blooded follower for as long as I can
remember-back to Bobby
Reynolds, Willie Greenlaw and a 7-3 loss to K-State that
made me cry.
Kerry Hookstra
: Chalk up another at age 57, although I don't tell anybody
: my age. My earliest serious recollection was Duda's
: broken leg and Churchich taking over. I was old enough to
: vaguely remember the '62 upset of Michigan, but wasn't a
: full-blooded follower at that time.
:
: Duane Feldman
:
:
: ----- Original Message ----
: From: Tony Lambert <slim...@hamilton.net>
: To: Bob Beach <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
: Cc: hus...@tssi.com
: Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:13:09 PM
: Subject: Re: [Husker] Cut
:
:
: I'm 48 years old. And only started following the Huskers
: at about 11
:
: Bob Beach wrote:
: >
Bob Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "pibel" <pi...@saintmail.net>
To: "Huskerlist" <hus...@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
: I've been a full blooded follower for as long as I can
: remember-back to Bobby
: Reynolds, Willie Greenlaw and a 7-3 loss to K-State that
: made me cry.
Holy Moly maybe I should rephrase my question. Is there anyone on this
list under 50 years old?
Steve Stone
Kerry wrote:
:Of course Steve was a child prodigy who did this charting at
:the age of
:two...........
If I were a prodigy, my Dad wouldn't have had to teach me how to do
it when I was ten. :-)
Steve
pibel
I simply could not fathom the concept that you were as old
as Dick Karre claimed
you to be...........
: Kerry wrote:
:
: >Of course Steve was a child prodigy who did this charting
: at >the age of
: >two...........
:
: If I were a prodigy, my Dad wouldn't have had to teach me
: how to do it when I was ten. :-)
:
: Steve
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47 here.
My first recollection of the Skers was Paul Rodgers kicking a whole
bunch of field goals in the '69 Sun Bowl.
My second recollection is of listening to Joe Patrick/WOW-AM Omaha do
the play-by-play of Frosty Anderson catching a couple of long TD
passes against Minnesota (my grandfather, Wayne Binfield, was
Frosty's HS track coach at Scottsbluff so I thought he was pretty
cool!).
Jim Dean on the list here is the son of the barber that gave me my
first 50 or so haircuts in Wood River, and if anybody remembers
former poster Greg Mays in Hastings, I believe he's the nephew of
Glen Mays who helped us out on the farm just north of of Wood River
when I was a kid. Small world.
Jerry Budd
: Holy Moly maybe I should rephrase my question. Is there anyone
:on this list under 50 years old?
:
:Bob Beach
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Tony Lambert
Greg is the son of Glen Mays. Greg is now the AD at Blue Hill High School.
Jerry Budd wrote:
: 47 here.
:
: My first recollection of the Skers was Paul Rodgers kicking a whole
: bunch of field goals in the '69 Sun Bowl.
:
: My second recollection is of listening to Joe Patrick/WOW-AM Omaha do
: the play-by-play of Frosty Anderson catching a couple of long TD
: passes against Minnesota (my grandfather, Wayne Binfield, was Frosty's
: HS track coach at Scottsbluff so I thought he was pretty cool!).
:
: Jim Dean on the list here is the son of the barber that gave me my
: first 50 or so haircuts in Wood River, and if anybody remembers former
: poster Greg Mays in Hastings, I believe he's the nephew of Glen Mays
: who helped us out on the farm just north of of Wood River when I was a
: kid. Small world.
:
: Jerry Budd
:
:
:> Holy Moly maybe I should rephrase my question. Is there anyone
:> on this list under 50 years old?
:>
:> Bob Beach
:
:
j j
I am 41 and much like pibel just glad to still be around after suffering a heart attack (may 22nd 06). Actually it was my second one. I can remember watching Rodgers, Tagge, Glover and Co. win the first two MNCs but my first real following would probably be the late 70s. I can remember guys like Dave Humm, Tony Davis, Rick Berns, Vince Ferragamo (sp), Craig Steele, playing. I can remember NU beating OU and then losing to James Wilder and Mizzu and then having to replay OU in the OB. Man was my dad mad abou
t that one.
Trent Florom
Bob Beach <baseb...@neb.rr.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "pibel"
To: "Huskerlist"
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
: I've been a full blooded follower for as long as I can
: remember-back to Bobby
: Reynolds, Willie Greenlaw and a 7-3 loss to K-State that
: made me cry.
Holy Moly maybe I should rephrase my question. Is there anyone on this
list under 50 years old?
Bob Beach
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Jerry and group -
I'm 61. My brother is 71. I graduated from UNL in '67 undergrad and
'70 law school. I enrolled at Nebraska in Devaney's second year. What
a ride it was and has been.
Roger Beverage
Oklahoma City
President & CEO
Oklahoma Bankers Association
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From: husker-...@tssi.com [mailto:husker-...@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Jerry Meyer
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:42 PM
To: Husker List
Subject: Re: Cut
Tony, I'm right there with you, coming up on 49, not quite up there with
all the AARP listers, but close enough to start working on my golf game
in preparation for the senior tour (now if I'd just had some talent to
begin with it would be a lot easier ). My first in person game was the
31-21 loss to Southern Cal in 1969. I do remember kicking the football
around in the back yard starting about age five or six and listening to
KFAB's scoreboard show giving final scores from around the country of
20-13, 13-12, 16-14, etc., back when kickers weren't as good and the
extra points and field goals were not a sure thing by any means.
Games against Dan Devine's Missouri teams stick out for 16-14 or 16-13
final scores back in that era. If a team scored in the 30's it was
considered a very strong offensive performance. Now in many
circumstances if good teams don't score in the 30's the offense played
poorly.
Jerry Meyer
Murfreesboro, TN
----- Original Message ----
From: Tony Lambert <slim...@hamilton.net>
To: Bob Beach <baseb...@neb.rr.com>
Cc: hus...@tssi.com
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2007 2:13:09 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
I'm 48 years old. And only started following the Huskers at about 11
Bob Beach wrote:
:
: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Stone"
<sst...@pvtnetworks.net>
: To: "Dick Karre" <dka...@comcast.net>; <hus...@tssi.com>
: Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:54 AM
: Bob Beach
:
: The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't
know.
:
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Scott R Lawson
I am 35, and I started rooting for the Huskers during the hype before the '83 Orange Bowl, partly because my school teams here are known as the Big Red as well, and also because I hated Miami and all the cockiness surrounding them, so I rooted for the Huskers in that game. Been following them ever since, and so has a friend of mine, and we get a lot of strange looks when we go watch the games out somewhere, since there really aren't too many Husker fans in upstate NY who have never really had ties to the s
tate of Nebraska.
We've gone on quite a few road trips to see the Huskers from NY, most notably the game in South Bend in 2000 when Crouch won it in OT. Also drove to the Penn State game in PA in '02, but I'd like to forget about that one. Sat through the hardest rain EVER in the Orange Bowl in '93, and also flew to a game in Lawrence KS in '91 when Calvin Jones almost got 300 yards rushing. That game was interesting because I finally got to see the Huskers in person and lowly Kansas jumped out to a 17-0 lead in the first q
uarter. Also saw the Huskers blow out West Virginia in the Meadowlands a few years back and drove through a rare northeast hurricane to see the Huskers take on the Pitt Panthers in Pittsburgh in '04. Only thing left to do now is to see a game in Lincoln.
Not that too many folks care, but I always thought it was neat that I've seen the team more times in person than a lot of folks who actually live in Lincoln!
Scott in NY
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From: husker-...@tssi.com [mailto:husker-...@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of Skylar Dodds
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:29 AM
To: Husker List
Subject: Re: [personal] Re: Cut
Hello Husker Fans,
BB> Holy Moly maybe I should rephrase my question. Is there anyone on this
BB> list under 50 years old?
Alright, I'll bite. Although it seems like I might be the youngest
on the list at the ripe ol' age of 27. So, I'll put the challenge out
there, anyone younger?
In fairness, I might as well be 40 since many people my age don't
already have 2 kids in school, a wife of 8 years, a mortgage and
almost 2 full time jobs :)
I remember watching scattered Husker games, but I really didn't start
paying attention until the late 80's. I barely remember just losing
to FSU in 87 and I really remember asking my Dad if we were going to
beat Miami in the Orange Bowl in '88 and he said, "Not a chance". But
I didn't care, I got to stay up late and watch the game (I was only
9).
GBR!
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Bob Beach
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott R Lawson" <SLa...@uamail.albany.edu>
To: <Sklar...@cox.net>; "Husker List" <hus...@tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: [personal] Re: Cut
: Not that too many folks care, but I always thought it was neat that I've
: seen the team more times in person than a lot of folks who actually live
: in Lincoln!
I would guess at NU home games there are more people there from outside
Lincoln than from in Lincoln. I live about a mile and a half from the
stadium and go past it every day. Yet, I haven't been to a game for 5-6
years. I would probably try harder but a great share of games are now on
TV. That and I don't think I have ever been in a stadium anywhere that is
more physically uncomfortable than is Memorial Stadium. I just don't enjoy
paying a minimum of $50 to sit on a plank with my knees in someone's back,
someone elses knees in my back, and packed in like sardines. I would rather
sit in my recliner and watch the game on TV. On the positive side there is
nothing like the atmosphere at Memorial Stadium.
Bob Beach
The more you know the more you realize how much there is you don't know.
Scott R Lawson
That's exactly how Notre Dame's place was, I was shocked to find how lousy the seating was there...we had people just wandering in and squeezing between us (of course they were cute Notre Dame co-eds so it wasn't all that bad ;-) but I can see your point.
Scott in NY
-----Original Message-----
From: husker-...@tssi.com [mailto:husker-...@tssi.com]On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Husker List
Subject: Re: [personal] Re: Cut
...sit on a plank with my knees in someone's back,
someone elses knees in my back, and packed in like sardines.
Brown, Laura (LLU)
I join the list of members that are not quite there yet, but close
enough to feel the dragon's breath on the nape of the neck. :)
I got completely hooked when my dad took the family down to Norman in 71
for the Game of the Century (I was 14). I remember listening to the
games and following the team for a couple of years before that, but it
became a religion at that point.
Laura
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From: husker-...@tssi.com [mailto:husker-...@tssi.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Beach
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:07 PM
To: Huskerlist
Subject: Re: Cut
----- Original Message -----
From: "pibel" <pi...@saintmail.net>
To: "Huskerlist" <hus...@tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Cut
: I've been a full blooded follower for as long as I can
: remember-back to Bobby
: Reynolds, Willie Greenlaw and a 7-3 loss to K-State that
: made me cry.
Holy Moly maybe I should rephrase my question. Is there anyone on
this
list under 50 years old?
George Rapp
On 1/9/07, S JOHNSON <jfpg...@msn.com> wrote:
:
: Let's get an average age poll. As I sign every post, and have for nearly
: 6 years now...
: Class of 83 I am 46...nearly 47 years old.
:
OK, I guess I can't claim either the old or young demographic at 40. Been
on the List since its inception in 1991, about a year before Al Gore
invented the Internet. 8^) I have relied on the 'Husker List for the last
15+ years as my primary source of 'Husker information, supplemented in
recent years by the LJS' Life in the Red blog (and prior to that, I really
enjoyed Steve Smith's Loon Droppings on this list).
George
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