RE: [Husker] Recruiting trend?
Scott R Lawson
lesser recruits. The last several seasons at NU only prove this in my
opinion.
Scott in NY
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I anticipate a bit of flak for this but here goes. Recent decommits and
concern over this year's class made me look at the recent recruiting
data and, although I may be a tad premature about this, I am starting to
be a little concerned about recruiting trends.
Specifically, I was looking at the Rivals ranking (and yes, I know, this
is not an exact science) for Nebraska classes the past few years and we
seem to be going in the wrong direction. I like Pellini a heck of a lot
more than I did Callahan but the national class rankings are as follows:
2005: #5, 2006: #20, 2007: #13, 2008: #30 (was top 5 until the firing);
2009: #28, and, so far, the 2010 class is ranked #38. I know Callahan
could recruit but apparently could not coach; I am now worried that the
reverse might be true with Pellini. By the way, the team with the #1
Rivals ranking the past two years is Alabama, so I don't think these
data are totally irrelevant.
Certainly, the two data points for the 2009 and 2010 classes are not
enough to prove anything; I guess i am just wondering if anyone else had
the same observation. Here's hoping we land some big ones in the next
few weeks and this all becomes irrelevant.
Wayne
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> lesser recruits. The last several seasons at NU only prove this in my
> opinion.
If Suh was any recruiting expert's idea of a 'lesser recruit', that's proof that
recruiting rankings are worthless.
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8^)
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I anticipate a bit of flak for this but here goes. Recent decommits and concern over this year's class made me look at the recent recruiting data and, although I may be a tad premature about this, I am starting to be a little concerned about recruiting trends.
Specifically, I was looking at the Rivals ranking (and yes, I know, this is not an exact science) for Nebraska classes the past few years and we seem to be going in the wrong direction. I like Pellini a heck of a lot more than I did Callahan but the national class rankings are as follows: 2005: #5, 2006: #20, 2007: #13, 2008: #30 (was top 5 until the firing); 2009: #28, and, so far, the 2010 class is ranked #38. I know Callahan could recruit but apparently could not coach; I am now worried that the reverse might be true with Pellini. By the way, the team with the #1 Rivals ranking the past two years is Alabama, so I don't think these data are totally irrelevant.
Certainly, the two data points for the 2009 and 2010 classes are not enough to prove anything; I guess i am just wondering if anyone else had the same observation. Here's hoping we land some big ones in the next few weeks and this all becomes irrelevant.
Wayne
Shawn Sherlock
and/or the field. I would prefer a top 40 class that wins 9+ a year
over top 20 classes that miss bowl games.
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Mike Jaixen
Yeah, Suh turned out awesome, but a lot of misses in that class.
As for 2010, don't worry about the final recruiting ranking, but instead look at the average stars and compare it with other schools if you believe in Rivals. The rankings are based on the numbers of recruits as well as the stars each recruit receives. Since NU has such a small senior class this season, they are going to recruit a very small class comparatively speaking. That's going to keep NU's class ranked low. (Remember that 2005 class? They took 32 players IIRC. I think in 2010, NU will only be able to offer half that number...)
Mike Jaixen
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Subject: [Husker] Recruiting trend?
Nick Chevance
>> I think it's easier to botch good recruiting than it is to coach up
>> lesser recruits. The last several seasons at NU only prove this in my
>> opinion.
>
> If Suh was any recruiting expert's idea of a 'lesser recruit', that's proof that
> recruiting rankings are worthless.
> --
> Mike Nolan
Well, a quick Google search got me the Rivals page for his class, and
Suh was rated a 4 star and #6 defensive tackle in the nation. The
rankings for defensive tackles were as follows:
1 DeMarcus Granger - Dallas (TX) Kimball going to Oklahoma (5 star)
2 Callahan Bright - Bryn Mawr (PA) Harriton going to Florida State (5 star)
3 Jerrell Powe - Waynesboro (MS) Wayne County going to Ole Miss (5 star)
4 Kade Weston - Red Bank (NJ) going to Georgia
5 Roy Miller - Killeen (TX) Shoemaker going to Texas
6 Ndamukong Suh - Portland (OR) Grant going to Nebraska
7 Ekom Udofia - Scottsdale (AZ) Chaparral going to Stanford
8 Terrance Taylor - Muskegon (MI) going to Michigan
9 James McKinney - Louisville (KY) Central going to Michigan
10 Louis Ellis - Jackson (MS) Lanier going to Mississippi State
(hope this list doesn't get all jumbled up, but it probably will)
See the article at http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=879
I think his development into the player we see today definitely had to
do with a determination on the part of Suh to excel when the coaching
change came, and his first two years were under Cosgrove. Whatever
they were doing for those two years, it may not have been highlighting
his skills and abilities. It obviously took less than a year for Bo
and Carl to get considerable production out of him as a junior, and
then his senior season.... well, enough has been said.
My take: recruiting is all about potential, but a lot of things have
to happen after that.
Nick
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Roger
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I anticipate a bit of flak for this but here goes. Recent decommits and concern over this year's class made me look at the recent recruiting data and, although I may be a tad premature about this, I am starting to be a little concerned
> about recruiting trends.
>
> Specifically, I was looking at the Rivals ranking (and yes, I know, this is not an exact science) for Nebraska classes the past few years and we seem to be going in the wrong direction. I like Pellini a heck of a lot more than I did Callahan but the national class rankings are as follows: 2005: #5, 2006: #20, 2007: #13, 2008: #30 (was top 5 until the firing); 2009: #28, and, so far, the 2010 class is ranked #38. I know Callahan could recruit but apparently could not coach; I am now worried that the reverse might be true with Pellini. By the way, the team with the #1 Rivals ranking the past two years is Alabama, so I don't
> think these data are totally irrelevant.
>
>
> Certainly, the two data points for the 2009 and 2010 classes are not enough to
> prove anything; I guess i am just wondering if anyone else had the same
> observation. Here's hoping we land some big ones in the next few weeks and this
> all becomes irrelevant.
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
Matt
offer count, or offer counts from top 20 programs, or some filter like
that. Thoughts?
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On Dec 15, 2009 11:49 AM, "Mark Landin" <markl...@gmail.com> wrote:
A better barometer than stars is other offers from BCS programs.
Coaches do their own evaluations and believe their own eyes and those
of their colleague, with elite players getting the most offers.. Stars
are for fans.
On 12/15/09, Roger <sue...@att.net> wrote: > One possible explanation for
the perceived drop in re...
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Mark Landin
Coaches do their own evaluations and believe their own eyes and those
of their colleague, with elite players getting the most offers.. Stars
are for fans.
On 12/15/09, Roger <sue...@att.net> wrote:
Mark Landin
the big 12 classes that way, but don't think rivals or scout does. One
problem is that offers are reported by the athletes...schools cannot
disclose offers or discuss recruits, so offer data is naturally
unreliable. Jimmy says USC and Texas offered him. Did they really, or
is jimmy trying to make Florida, his favorite, jealous?
On 12/15/09, Matt <matthew.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark, I *like* that take a lot. I wonder if anyone has ranked recruits by
> offer count, or offer counts from top 20 programs, or some filter like
> that. Thoughts?
>
> -- sent from mobile phone --
>
> On Dec 15, 2009 11:49 AM, "Mark Landin" <markl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A better barometer than stars is other offers from BCS programs.
> Coaches do their own evaluations and believe their own eyes and those
> of their colleague, with elite players getting the most offers.. Stars
> are for fans.
>
> On 12/15/09, Roger <sue...@att.net> wrote: > One possible explanation for
> the perceived drop in re...
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A better barometer than stars is other offers from BCS programs.
Coaches do their own evaluations and believe their own eyes and those
of their colleague, with elite players getting the most offers.. Stars
are for fans.
On 12/15/09, Roger <sue...@att.net> wrote:
Aaron Wolfson
good career at Texas.
Aaron
Nick Chevance
> How well did that 2005 class turn out again? �Harrison Beck, the Picous, etc?
>
> Yeah, Suh turned out awesome, but a lot of misses in that class.
>
> http://huskermike.blogspot.com
> http://www.cornnation.com
Well, I took Mike's question as a challenge, but I quickly got bogged
down in actual work this afternoon. So, what I will post here is the
2005 recruiting class, minus walk-ons, and a few 2 star fellas that
I've never heard of (though I did include one that wasn't ranked by
Rivals - interesting guy). I'll try to make this list work but please
forgive me if it doesn't. Again this comes from the Rivals website.
What I'd like to know from other listers is where are some of these
guys now? Did they deserve the rating they got? Does this tell you
something about recruiting rankings or what does it take to make
something out of potential?
Harrison Beck QB 4 stars Clearwater, FL
Zackary Bowman DB 5 stars (juco) Roswell, NM
Chris Brooks WR 4 stars St. Louis, MO
Jordan Congdon K 3 stars San Diego, CA
Nick Covey LB 3 stars Glendale, AZ
Barry Cryer DT 3 stars (juco) Dodge City, KS
Ola Dagunduro DT 4 stars (juco) Compton, CA
Phillip Dillard LB 4 stars Jenks, OK
Wallace Franklin WR 3 stars Beaumont , TX
Cody Glenn RB 3 stars Rusk, TX
Frantz Hardy WR 4 stars (juco) El Dorado, KS
Jacob Hickman OL 3 stars Bakersfield, CA
Brodrick Hunter WR 3 stars Humble, TX
Leon Jackson ATH 4 stars Pasco, WA
Marlon Lucky RB 5 stars North Hollywood, CA
Dontrell Moore LB 3 stars (juco) Coffeyville, KS
Steve Octavien LB 4 stars (juco) Palatine, IL
Rodney Picou OL 4 stars Moreno Valley, CA
Zach Potter DE 4 stars Omaha, NE
Craig Roark OL 3 stars Ada, OK
Matt Slauson OL no stars Colorado Springs, CO
Tyrell Spain ATH 3 stars (juco) San Diego, CA
Ndamukong Suh DT 4 stars Portland, OR
Zac Taylor QB 3 stars (juco) El Dorado, KS
Justin Tomerlin DE 4 stars (juco) El Dorado, KS
Barry Turner DE 3 stars Nashville, TN
Scott R Lawson
Scott in NY
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Mark Landin
at Burlington Coat Factory before the WVU game, IIRC).
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Aaron Wolfson <awol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting list. The only other guy I've ever heard of is Miller, who had a
> good career at Texas.
>
> Aaron
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potential. Wins and grades are rarely reflected in the rankings because they
are difficult to evaluate, whereas any decent scout can look at a 6'5" kid
with a rocket arm and say "projectable quarterback." So, a good enough coach
could maybe turn a 5-star QB recruit into a Heisman candidate with just a
little effort, but it would take him exponentially more effort to do the
same with a 2-star recruit. The key is that it's still possible to turn that
kid into a star, if the coach is that good and the kid has the right
qualities. 5-star talents don't need as many other qualities to succeed
because the physical part of the game comes so easily. However, this also
means that 5-stars are not golden tickets, and they still need to be coached
up in order to succeed, as any list of big recruiting busts will show. And
of course, there are the Reggie Bushes and Herschel Walkers of the world who
are just so talented that they can only be derailed by injuries or off-field
incidents.
Aaron
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Scott R Lawson
<SLa...@uamail.albany.edu>wrote:
Brown, Laura (LLU)
that was his lack of experience. He had only half the time the normal
recruit has of organized ball (half the chance of forming bad habits).
He was putty in the hand of true educators like the P brothers.
Laura
Andrew Smith
temporary. A new head coach, particularly a first time one, usually
scares off a few recruits. This year, it seems that the offensive woes
and resulting conservative play calling may have scared off some
offensive recruits.
If 9-4 or better seasons continue and a reasonable offense returns,
better recruiting classes should also return.
Go Big Red!
Andy
Roger wrote:
> One possible explanation for the perceived drop in recruiting class rank is that B.C. simply went after the players with the most stars behind their name. I believe T.O. found athletes with few/no stars and made 'stars' of them. Hopefully, that is what we will see with Bo as well.
>
> Roger Lohr-Mpls
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>
> I anticipate a bit of flak for this but here goes. Recent decommits and concern over this year's class made me look at the recent recruiting data and, although I may be a tad premature about this, I am starting to be a little concerned
>
>> about recruiting trends.
>>
>> Specifically, I was looking at the Rivals ranking (and yes, I know, this is not an exact science) for Nebraska classes the past few years and we seem to be going in the wrong direction. I like Pellini a heck of a lot more than I did Callahan but the national class rankings are as follows: 2005: #5, 2006: #20, 2007: #13, 2008: #30 (was top 5 until the firing); 2009: #28, and, so far, the 2010 class is ranked #38. I know Callahan could recruit but apparently could not coach; I am now worried that the reverse might be true with Pellini. By the way, the team with the #1 Rivals ranking the past two years is Alabama, so I don't
>> think these data are totally irrelevant.
>>
>>
>> Certainly, the two data points for the 2009 and 2010 classes are not enough to
>> prove anything; I guess i am just wondering if anyone else had the same
>> observation. Here's hoping we land some big ones in the next few weeks and this
>> all becomes irrelevant.
>>
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
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Aaron Wolfson
reasonably expected to contribute (Qvale and Sirles) got hurt.
Aaron