Winter is over??? That is such an immature statement!!!
FADE2BLAK84
Folks,
All the greats are talking about a pattern change by next week. If you
think the winter is over, think again. I was looking at the 10 day MRF for
fun, and its evident that a huge ridge near the west coast will become
established by DAY 9. Now if we can get some high latitude blocking, then we
are in for a major cold outbreak east of the Mississippi. Let the greats
(Larry Cosgrove, Dave Tolleris, and Joe Bastardi guide us) Look at Siberia!!
WOW!!!!!
Nick
John Krempasky
However, the ONLY ONLY ONLY people to use the phrase "winter is over" are
the people forecasting no warmup at all and are creating a fictional
strawman of people and government offices that supposedly have said "winter
is over."
Robert B. Mandell
Joshua Lindstrom
Its a dead, frozen...sooned to be "sorta" thawed....then frozen again horse
John....
Those who have read what the CPC wrote realize that they never said
Winter was over until the middle of February. Regardless of what some people
in this
newsgroup want you to believe (for whatever reason???)
Those "professionals" who constantly try to undermine the credibility of
Government agencies
(HPC...NCEP...CPC...NWS...and so on) apparently have some sort of "agenda" that
we are
not aware of.
With that said I think playing the role of "truth" police could be a full time
job for some in this
group. I honestly do not understand how a couple of people can take an untruth
and turn it
into a truth. But they did it!
It reminds me of the election last year....
"If you take the loose chads here on the floor in Palm Beach County...then
multiply that by the hanging chads
in Miami....then divide that by the dimpled chads over in Tallahassee...then
add 4 and subtract 12....then
wave this magic wand over this Lock Box....batta boom batta bang....I win"
In other words if you say something enough....then somehow it becomes the
truth! Remember the storm
that was so well forecast that dumped heavy snow on New York City....even
though the storm that was
forecast never happened....a totally different storm occurred? But since there
was a storm that was all
that mattered....they were right? Right?
Joshua
wxrisk
I am incensed by the deceitful stupidy that you and John have played here. If you
two bozos want to lose your ability to comprehend english then fine...
There is NO secret agenda Josh except then ones guys like you have that give extra
heavy credence to any bullshit that a govt scientist hands out simply because they
are govt. there work should be judged of the science NOT of the office.
The FACT is Josh CPC said the Mild pattern will last " AT LEAST 2 OR 3 WEEKS." I
have used that phrase 5 times now and not once have you and/or John EVER respond
to it. Instead you spout off whacky conspiracy theories and John makes up his own
interpretation of what COC actually said.
Only a jerk like you could invoke Al gore in this. Could you be any less of an ass
and you less inflammatory language? And please spare us the crap that you werent
referring to me Josh ...obviously you are.
The truth is Josh you have NEVER--like John -- ever criticized or supported any
critical remark made towards govt forecasters. That 8-14 day forecast was
wretched.... those remarks should have NEVER of been in THAT product. Those words
did NOT describe a "Thaw" at all but the removal of 33% of the winter from the
Eastern US. And once more I speak of only the words used while you and John make up
fantasies... Lies... and falsehoods of what was said.
the phrase "AT LEAST two or three weeks" means that they (CPC) expect the mild
pattern to last Longer than Jan 24 and the phrase "snowy/winter pattern MAY return
to the northern and middle atlantic coast IF the NAo holds" means to anyone
whith a brain and a rational thought process that they consider the possibility
that it will NOT hold and the pattern will not return....
Those two statements taken together mean certain SPECIFIC things. I wish you or
John had the integrity to discuss those words instead of Obtuse dullards like John
calling people an idiot.
DT
Jeff Rudacille
I agree with you point here, that CPC's statement was outlandish and it did
infer that there will be little to no chance for snow in the eastern 1/3 of
the country until February.
Still, this gives you no right to call Josh names. I did not read every
post on this incredible argument but I seriously doubt Josh dropped to
calling you names. Please, please try and keep the board "above water" with
healthy arguments that invoke thinking...not anger. Calling someone an
idiot or bozo is only going to lead to one thing. More angry posts.
Thanks for thinking on this,
Jeff
ShirkB
The statement CPC had issued speaks for itself and if you want to continue to
deny what it said they do so, that is your right. I will give you one point
though and that is, it definitely didn't say winter is over and please show me
the post that people were saying it was over by CPC. Only you were the one
that was saying this..However when it states mild temperatues for the next two
to three weeks and, again my keyword, RETURN, to snowy conditions in the
beginning to mid February what do you think this means? Please....
ShirkB
to be very milder!!!
wxrisk
I was really pissed about his Al gore analogy and the implication that I am somehow making up what was said. For nearly 4 days I posted the EXACT quote --word for word with NO alteration at all. This is something that Josh has refused to acknowledge or deal with. The same is true for John who seems to be part of the X-Files.
One may not agree with my interpretation but I use the EXACT words something those two have not used referenced in anyway. I consider the Gore analogy to be only valid to these two folks who will not acknowledge basic printed facts.
" WE ANTI-CIPATE MOSTLY MILD CONDITIONS PERSISTING OVER
MUCH OF THE U.S. FOR AT
LEAST THE NEXT TWO TO THREE WEEKS. THE MIDDLE AND
NORTH ATLANTIC COAST
STATES MAY SEE A RETURN TO SNOWY CONDITIONS BY EARLY
OR MID FEBRUARY...BUT
MUCH WILL DEPEND ON THE LONGEVITY OF THE CURRENT PHASE
OF THE NORTH ATLAN-
TIC OSCILLATION.
This sentences mean the following
1) CPC thinks mild conditions will last AT LEAST to Jan
18 to 25
( Jan 4 + 21 day=25 Jan).
2) They think the mild period will last LONGER.
3) CPC STRONGLY doubts that the snowy patter will return to the east coast
in February.
4) along the east coast winter TYPICALLY ends in NA MD DE By
Feb 28-march 7 Mid march North of Philly.
5) CPC is very uncertain that the NAO will stay Negative and
if it does not then there will be NO return to the cold/snowy pattern of
December BECAUSE prolonged periods of cold temps in the
eastern US do NOT occur without a negative or neutral NAO.
6) Therefore CPC has suspicions that WINTER IS "effectively"
OVER for the eastern US.
DT
Edward Moran
supported by the text you quoted: "CPC STRONGLY doubts that the snowy
patter will return to the east coast in February."
By the way, why is everyone still looking at a 4 day old discussion?
(Question not meant for anyone in particular.)
Alan Grossberg
ShirkB <shi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010108203314...@ng-ci1.aol.com...
> Josh,
Wrong! You were the one who first said it, on 1/6/00.........
"No Josh,
Totally disagree, especially when CPC is saying in effect that winter is
over until the beginning to mid February....come on! What a thaw for day or
two...ok whatever your definition of a thaw is...I guess"
iceman_...@my-deja.com
(their always cold) doesn't mean we'll be cold.
Winter is NOT over it looks like now.
In article <20010108141318...@ng-cv1.aol.com>,
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Joshua Lindstrom
It is just AMAZING how people in this newsgroup can put SPIN on things.
It was repeatedly stated that CPC said something that they did not....
NOW you are trying to say I said it LOL....nice spin.....
Joshua Lindstrom
who said it...LOL
Joshua Lindstrom
DT said it....
And you can read what he said in my other two posts....
? questions
Joshua
Jon Seymour
stupid statement? Why don't you guys just believe what you believe
and if you can't be civil, block each other and that will be the end
of it. Or would that just be too mature? We will see what happens in
the next few weeks.
JMHO,
Jon
Bob Johnson
wrote:
>Don't any of you get really tired of all the petty arguing over a
>stupid statement? Why don't you guys just believe what you believe
>and if you can't be civil, block each other and that will be the end
>of it. Or would that just be too mature?
Too mature for this newsgroup, definitely.
wxrisk
CPC.
and 9 tumes you have lied distorted denied... make counter accusations but not
once have you or John K ever shown any part of the statement.
The reason for that is clear. You have NO idea what you are talking about.
You really don't know what CPC said You NEVER read the forecast discussion in
question and you make up meanings for words that no one else in the entire world
has.
Scott M. Lancey
iceman_...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Siberia is irrelevant to our climatic period. Just because their cold
> (their always cold) doesn't mean we'll be cold.
> Winter is NOT over it looks like now.
> In article <20010108141318...@ng-cv1.aol.com>,
> fade2...@aol.com (FADE2BLAK84) wrote:
> >
Read Bastardi's column today, then come back and tell us how global
patterns are irrelevant.
ShirkB
Again, the statement speaks for itself.....show me the post(s) that people have
written that states: "CPC is saying winter is over"....What we are arguing
about is how it is written and what it means! The spin is in your posts.
By the way, it was quite warm here in the Northern Mid-Atlantic today.....
ShirkB
"No Josh,
Totally disagree, especially when CPC is saying in effect that winter is
over until the beginning to mid February....come on! What a thaw for day or
two...ok whatever your definition of a thaw is...I guess"
Alan, please read my whole statement...Thank you! (i.e. HINT: "in effect")
Netronian
been reading this board very long and i haven't seen the url for it. Thanks in
advance.
Loretta
SSherzer
Danbo8
forecasters who tell us exactly what we want to hear." I am not taking any sort
of shot at Dave, Larry, or Joe because I do respect them for their top-notch
forecasting, it only seems that so many of you all in this newsgroup beg them for
a cold and snowy forecast. If it is not there, many of you moan and whine and
refuse to believe the facts.
Well, I am simply trying to infuse a sense of realism into this forum. So
often it seems that we harp on the potential for snow or the threat of a cold air
outbreak and ignore the exact same potential for no snow (or rain) or mild
conditions. Now, as far as the next 5 days are concerned, my current thinking is
this: This will not be a snow event for SNE...if anything, it will be cold enough
at the surface for some frz. rain, but 850 temps look to be much too warm to
support snow...also, I would be surprised if anything besides plain rain falls
along the coastal plain, and here in New Haven, I'm thinking all rain (and maybe
not even that much of it). After that (Monday and Tuesday), I think temperatures
return to normal as frigid air oozes into Quebec...as to whether this air reaches
New England, only time will tell. As far as the following disturbance is
concerned, well, we ought to wait and see.
FADE2BLAK84 wrote:
> Let the greats
> (Larry Cosgrove, Dave Tolleris, and Joe Bastardi guide us)
> Nick
Donald Rosenfeld
Jack Ziegler
wrote on 1/12/01 8:16 PM:
> I am not taking any sort
> of shot at Dave, Larry, or Joe because I do respect them for their top-notch
> forecasting, it only seems that so many of you all in this newsgroup beg them
> for
> a cold and snowy forecast. If it is not there, many of you moan and whine and
> refuse to believe the facts.
Very well said! You hit the nail on the head!
Jack